speedfreek
All Pro
How many first round QB's are guaranteed 18 mil? (and the associated cap hit to the team if
they fail)
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How many first round QB's are guaranteed 18 mil? (and the associated cap hit to the team if
they fail)
PapaL
Loose Screw
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
You don't know what you are talking about. The Texans will pay him a total of $37 million in the first two years. $6 million of that will be assigned to the cap in 2018 and 2019. Against the cap, he counts $12 million this year, $19 million next year... After that, $21, then $20. However, they can cut or trade him after 2017 and save $35 million against the cap between 2018-19.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
It is all paid in the 1st 2 years but $6 mil of it will be accounted for in the last 2 years. But $6 mil to cut him if he busts isn't much so he can easily be cut after 2 years.
speedfreek
All Pro
I get it.. Hope springs eternal, everyone wants to believe Os is the
franchise QB that will turn the Texans into a superbowl contender in
year 1.
I get it..
Unfortunately I'm a little too much of a "show me the money" kind of
guy..
It's pointless to argue this until after he has one season under his
belt.
Guess we'll know for sure this time next year..
franchise QB that will turn the Texans into a superbowl contender in
year 1.
I get it..
Unfortunately I'm a little too much of a "show me the money" kind of
guy..
It's pointless to argue this until after he has one season under his
belt.
Guess we'll know for sure this time next year..
Which holes are you speaking of? We signed a running back, a center, an offensive gaurd... & just missed on another WR.
We still have all our draft picks. Which hole do we need to fill before the draft?
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
speedfreak, I think we're the team to beat in the AFC. But I'm not too excited until we start playing the games. It's okay to have high expectations. The Texans and Astros are finally at that point and it's fun to see being a hardcore sports fan in this city. The Rockets are up and down themselves but still playoff bound.
Hey, I think Brock just landed in IAH, maybe he can show you $72 mil!
corytx8
Rookie
badboy
Hall of Fame
the money is not cap problem. If we hadn't sign OS, we would probably not have spent it or at least a good portion.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I'm for this move but to this specific point, there are many holes:
C
Potential LT replacement
RT replacement
#2 WR
WR depth beyond a #2
TE
ILB
Nickel LB
SS
K
P
KR
PR
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
Wouldn't surprise me one bit. Didn't he trade Case away twice last year?
I bet he got the royal treatment on McNairs private ride!
(When are you coming to work beside me? We are hiring like crazy right now!)
Just making sure you read my question right... you think we need to address all those positions before the draft?
corytx8
Rookie
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
As many as we can possibly afford. Ideally, you'd like to go into the draft with zero holes. Obviously, that's impossible, but that should always be the goal. So yeah, there are all those holes to fill.
Say Watt
Hall of Fame
It's two years. 2. Two.
What I don't understand is you said you didn't want another 2 years of mediocrity. So why does the money even matter to you?!? If you don't want another 2 years of mediocrity, what are you going to get from a rookie?!? You think he's going to step in and be the savior within the first year?
Brock gives us a chance. He's had time to learn the game. He got some action. Now, he gets to show he's deserving of being a starting QB in the NFL. If it doesn't work out, then we have 2 years of potential suck, and we still might draft a QB in this year's draft with some potential. Jake Coker would be my guy.
You're not making any sense man.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
If you're going to strike out you might as well swing the bat before you sit down.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
In addition to the before the draft caveat I think the list is a bit overly zealous.
They just re-signed the K and P.
To me KR and PR are only separate positions if none of the guys who have actual positions can do the job.
RT - just don't think they're as down on Newton as some fans.
TE - I'd rather see what a new QB does with the old guys before spending more on the position either in FA or the draft. I think the failure has been QB/"system" related.
WR depth beyond #2 (assuming Strong doesn't eliminate the WR#2 need) is Strong, Shorts and Mumphries.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Didn't realize they resigned the kicker and punter.
They should be down on Newton, or atleast I hope they are.
You may be right in terms of the TE, but that's more a feeling than something based on fact. They've been ineffective.
Shorts at WR is short term and 3 guys at the position from a sheer numbers POV is not enough. Also, Strong hasn't shown he can be a #2, he may, but I haven't seen it yet.
Also, we don't have anyone who can KR or PR effectively so they are most definitely needs.
Does it make you mad enough to go away?
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
Nothing wrong with thinking that getting Wentz or Goff is better than getting Osweiller. That's just a matter of opinion. What I disagree with is dogging the Texans FO for going aggressively after the top QB in FA when it is the most obvious biggest need on the team. If they didn't go after Os, there are absolutely no guarantees they could have gotten one of the top 2 QB's in the draft.
Very optimistic, but I hope you're right.
KR/PR- Kindly put Mumphrey was avg. A problem hasn't been been solved in 2 regimes.
RT- I hope you're wrong, Newton has basically stunk. Other than Hoyer he was the worst player on the field. He has sucked every yr but his contract yr. Coincedence?
TE- Worst position talentwise on the team. Hopefully Os can make this motley crew better. I have my doubts.
WR's- Yep that crew reminds me of Fitz/Floyd Brown. Jordy/Cobb/Jones etc...
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
I don't mean to pile on, and I like Mayock. He sounds legit, and I like when he breaks down film. That said, he also had Johnny Foosball as his #1 QB in 2014 also so there is that. He also chose Gabbert over Newton. He has whiffed a bunch of times so I am not going to put all my eggs in that basket.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...-mayocks-position-rankings-for-2014-nfl-draft
corytx8
Rookie
I don't mean to pile on, and I like Mayock. He sounds legit, and I like when he breaks down film. That said, he also had Johnny Foosball as his #1 QB in 2014 also so there is that. He also chose Gabbert over Newton. He has whiffed a bunch of times so I am not going to put all my eggs in that basket.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...-mayocks-position-rankings-for-2014-nfl-draft
Another words, do everything opposite from what Mayock recommends
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paycheck71
Hall of Fame
Texans cheated and got away with it?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yes and no. In this case we have a TE who produced, was then re-signed and has been used less and less to the point he was benched this year. Presumably that means they like the guys in front of him better but they get very few looks from the QB...when they aren't held in.
Notice I didn't list WR#2 - so I was assuming we'd get one or Strong would move up and someone would be added. Either way that's 5 (Shorts counts until he's gone). Anyway, anything outside of the top 3 isn't a hole - maybe a divot.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
We finally agree on something. I don't like the move, but it could pan out. I just think the likelihood isn't strong. I never trusted Kubiak's expertise at selecting and evaluating QB's much. Kubiak worked with Brock for a while, and even he didn't like him. Brock couldn't even beat out a 39 year old Manning who led the league in INT's all year playing a little over half a season. Brock looked okay at times when I watched him though. He is big and stands in the pocket well and can deliver big throws with a strong enough arm. In the end I have a big concern for why Denver didn't want him. People can bring up their cap space or that he wanted out or whatever they want. Elway is a baller as a GM, and he makes deals when he wants guys. They could have signed Brock, but it wasn't a big priority. They saw nothing special in him. That bothers me.
Who else was bidding for him? Only reports I have heard was us. No one else had a high interest in him?
A lot of cap space going towards him too. I guess it isn't that bad if the investment is only for two years possibly. I still hope they use a high draft pick on a QB. They need several guys as options.
michaelm
vox nihili
He still pines away for Case Keenum.
The Texans will never make a correct QB decision in his eyes, unless it results in Case being named starting QB for the team somehow
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Kubiak didn't select him.
So unless they outbid anyone who came along then they really didn't want him? That's silly. It's called setting a spending limit and sticking to it. They offered a guy with 7 starts $16 a year with $30 guaranteed. It's moronic to translate that into they saw nothing special in him.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I don't get the whole "he got benched for an ineffective 39 year old QB" thing. Everybody knew Peyton was going to come back if his health allowed it. It would have been incredibly stupid for them not to play Manning. If they lost, Kubiak would be under heavy fire for not playing him and the guy's nickname is the general. He's exactly what you'd want if you wanted a QB to manage a defensive game, which is exactly what it was predicted to be and ended up being.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Exactly. It was inevitable.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I"m aware of that. My point is that the fact that if even Kubiak didn't want him, then that is a big concern to me.
They didn't care one way or the other if they lost him. Did you hear about some huge fight they put up to save him? They didn't even have confidence that he could out play Manning last season, and Manning was dreadful. Make whatever excuse you want to about that, but Elway is a smart SOB, and he didn't care if he lost Brock. I hope he was dead wrong.
michaelm
vox nihili
Elway offered him $30 million guaranteed.
So, you're saying Elway didn't want him but made a $30 million gamble that Osweiler would refuse his offer and sign with another team?
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Or they simply gambled on a firm position and lost.
Elway's quote on twitter suggests sour grapes:
Denver Broncos ✔ @Broncos: “We’ve stayed true to our philosophy, building w/ players who want to be here.” - Elway
If you're not worth a damn, then the person you're leaving isn't going to publicly question your loyalty.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
So in one post, you say Kubiak isn't good at selecting/evaluating QB's. Then in a later post, you're concerned about Brock because Kubiak didn't want him?
If Kubiak isn't good at selecting QBs, we should be elated Kubiak didn't want Brock, right?
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
His red zone efficiency was very good (sample size).
What's to come at NRG Stadium.
Nuk Hopkins all day! His arm is lethal.
Speed would kill with his canon arm.
We better improve our secondary depth. Brock will shred us in practices. Think of Matt Schaub's best season here in Houston. The year he led the league in passing and won the Pro Bowl MVP. I think Brock Osweiler will be even better (stronger arm) than what Schaub was even during his best days.
I'm glad we can stretch the field and playbook. O'Brien finally has a QB who can do more than "dink and dunk" and throw short passes under 10 yards.
Brock Osweiler has a Joe Flacco like arm. And Flacco has been one of the better deep ball throwers in the league. Well, before injuries have slowed him down some. But when Flacco won the Super Bowl and had a Joe Montana like TD-to-INT ratio during that amazing playoff run, he threw many beautiful deep balls.
Watching more videos of Brock on NFL.com...
Seems like all of his deep throws look effortless.
This kid is special. I'm ready to see what O'Brien can do with him. Brock is pure gold compared to the crappy QBs we've had on our roster the past two seasons. No disrespect to them. And people think Tom Savage can beat out Brock Osweiler? Let's not kid ourselves. Savage can't even stay healthy.
What's to come at NRG Stadium.
Nuk Hopkins all day! His arm is lethal.
Speed would kill with his canon arm.
We better improve our secondary depth. Brock will shred us in practices. Think of Matt Schaub's best season here in Houston. The year he led the league in passing and won the Pro Bowl MVP. I think Brock Osweiler will be even better (stronger arm) than what Schaub was even during his best days.
I'm glad we can stretch the field and playbook. O'Brien finally has a QB who can do more than "dink and dunk" and throw short passes under 10 yards.
Brock Osweiler has a Joe Flacco like arm. And Flacco has been one of the better deep ball throwers in the league. Well, before injuries have slowed him down some. But when Flacco won the Super Bowl and had a Joe Montana like TD-to-INT ratio during that amazing playoff run, he threw many beautiful deep balls.
Watching more videos of Brock on NFL.com...
Seems like all of his deep throws look effortless.
This kid is special. I'm ready to see what O'Brien can do with him. Brock is pure gold compared to the crappy QBs we've had on our roster the past two seasons. No disrespect to them. And people think Tom Savage can beat out Brock Osweiler? Let's not kid ourselves. Savage can't even stay healthy.
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House of Pain
Wild Speculator
Full disclosure: I questioned this signing when I first heard it.
Having said that, I've read this entire thread and I've come to the conclusion that absent BO getting injured or the "Houston Sports Curse" doing what it does so well, BO will go down as the best Texans QB and will lead this team to at a minimum ONE AFC Championship or better. I really think the benching in Week 17 pissed him off and he wants to win more than anyone that has been under Center on Kirby. I think the Denver organization screwed this up and Elway is kicking himself (but he will never admit this publicly.)
And shouts out to Texian for his strong, strong posts (although I don't agree)
Having said that, I've read this entire thread and I've come to the conclusion that absent BO getting injured or the "Houston Sports Curse" doing what it does so well, BO will go down as the best Texans QB and will lead this team to at a minimum ONE AFC Championship or better. I really think the benching in Week 17 pissed him off and he wants to win more than anyone that has been under Center on Kirby. I think the Denver organization screwed this up and Elway is kicking himself (but he will never admit this publicly.)
And shouts out to Texian for his strong, strong posts (although I don't agree)
I couldnt watch much Football last season so can anyone give me a scouting Report? He Sounds like a more mobile Mallett. His stats look ok but not special. Did we get him for his franchise qb upside or did we get a game Manager? Or is this Basically like the Mallett experiment? What qbs des he compare to? Is he clutch and strong under Pressure? Or is all this still unknown?
GermanTexan
Waterboy
Well, i do like the fact to wake up and having a QB on the team. Makes me smile.
As Osweiler has to prove a lot, i´m excited to see, if he can be a franchise QB.
As Osweiler has to prove a lot, i´m excited to see, if he can be a franchise QB.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I do think the uproar over holding off the woman approaching his wife was ridiculous. They act like he decked her.
And if touching a woman even lightly is so abhorrent, where is the reciprocity of criticism for the woman for provoking the incident in the first place?
I think BO showed great pocket poise during the incident.
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Wow. This is all supposition and speculation on your part. Want me to go to McDonald's and get you a happy meal?
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