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Brock Osweiler agrees to 4 year 72 million

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yeah, I can understand the perspective. Maybe this will be that nut the blind squirrel gets, 'eh?

It will be interesting to see how things go in Denver with Kubiak now working with Elway to find a QB.
The Broncos Special Teams, Offense, and Defense have all taken significant hits during free agency. The Broncos cleared $8.43M in cap space to gain some leverage in free agency (that included an effort to re-sign Osweiler). They were actively negotiating to rework contracts of Ware and Clady. If reports are accurate, Anderson could be the next to leave as four teams are aggressively pursuing him. The Broncos will look very different this season that's for certain.
 
We finally agree on something. I don't like the move, but it could pan out. I just think the likelihood isn't strong. I never trusted Kubiak's expertise at selecting and evaluating QB's much. Kubiak worked with Brock for a while, and even he didn't like him. Brock couldn't even beat out a 39 year old Manning who led the league in INT's all year playing a little over half a season. Brock looked okay at times when I watched him though. He is big and stands in the pocket well and can deliver big throws with a strong enough arm. In the end I have a big concern for why Denver didn't want him. People can bring up their cap space or that he wanted out or whatever they want. Elway is a baller as a GM, and he makes deals when he wants guys. They could have signed Brock, but it wasn't a big priority. They saw nothing special in him. That bothers me.

Who else was bidding for him? Only reports I have heard was us. No one else had a high interest in him?

A lot of cap space going towards him too. I guess it isn't that bad if the investment is only for two years possibly. I still hope they use a high draft pick on a QB. They need several guys as options.
Perhaps they bench him for Manning br cause a) #1 DEFENSE in the NFL b) Manning experience c) they didn't want his value to go up to high since he'd be a FA. Just because he left doesnt mean they didn't want him. I don't much about him, i personally wanted RGIII. But hopefully it works out.
 
Conviently left Blake Bortles and his 88.2 QR rating off that list. I seem to recall you saying Bortles is a franchise QB. Why wouldn't Brock be if they're so closely ranked?


Bortles ranked 23, Brock 25; they both also start w B as well...kinda like the bull I'm smelling!

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating
Imagine if you will, if you can, what Blake Bortles QB Rating would've been if he had played for the very talented Super Bowl Champion Denver Broncos.
 
Texan, I am usually always on your side. Not this time. Excited as hell and think your arguments are circular here. Props to McNair, Rick and O'Brien
Understood, not really an argument but an opinion. I was asked for my thoughts about Osweiller and I obliged.
 
I"m aware of that. My point is that the fact that if even Kubiak didn't want him, then that is a big concern to me.


They didn't care one way or the other if they lost him. Did you hear about some huge fight they put up to save him? They didn't even have confidence that he could out play Manning last season, and Manning was dreadful. Make whatever excuse you want to about that, but Elway is a smart SOB, and he didn't care if he lost Brock. I hope he was dead wrong.

When you watch him, Brock Osweiler that is, what do you see?
 
It's two years. 2. Two.

What I don't understand is you said you didn't want another 2 years of mediocrity. So why does the money even matter to you?!? If you don't want another 2 years of mediocrity, what are you going to get from a rookie?!? You think he's going to step in and be the savior within the first year?

Brock gives us a chance. He's had time to learn the game. He got some action. Now, he gets to show he's deserving of being a starting QB in the NFL. If it doesn't work out, then we have 2 years of potential suck, and we still might draft a QB in this year's draft with some potential. Jake Coker would be my guy.

You're not making any sense man.

It's two years at a guaranteed 37 mil. Let that sink in. That is 37 mil we _wont_ have to fix the line, or
to get pass catching TE's. or a return man, or a speed receiver, or <etc. ad infinitum>

If we're rolling the dice on a completely unproven QB, then lets do it on the cheap while
we sort the rest of the team's issues out.

Let's not just throw stupid money at one position and hope and pray the guy turns into Brady.

Look at it this way. BoB slightly overpaid to bring in Fitz, then he WAY overpaid to throw fitz away
and bring in Hoyer. (he lit money on fire signing Mallet)

Given that trend, I'd be wagering that the team just WAY WAY overpaid to throw Hoyer away and
sign Os. BoB doesn't look like a superstar talent evaluator to me..
 
You wanted RGIII right?

Nope, but I would over Os.

My philosophy would have been to draft a cheap prospect (many folks had Lynch falling to us)
and figure out which vet on staff would be the best interim: Yates, Weeden, Savage, etc.

Then spend the rest of that money fixing all of the other holes on the roster.
This team is _WAY_ more than just a QB away from being a contender.

If you _HAD_ to get an overpriced vet, do it with a guy that's had a LOT of backup experience
(Daniel, etc.) -- although I wouldn't go that route.
 
Imagine if you will, if you can, what Blake Bortles QB Rating would've been if he had played for the very talented Super Bowl Champion Denver Broncos.

You mean a team with 2 really good WRs, questionable OL, and mediocre run game? Yeah, he had that in Jacksonville and still only completed 58% of his passes. Mind blowing facts!

Team Stats:
Rushing:
JAX - 1473, 4.2 ypc
DEN - 1718, 4.2 ypc

Sacks:
JAX - 51
DEN - 39

Passing Yards:
JAX - 4108
DEN - 3970

Passing Yards/Game:
JAX - 257
DEN - 248

Completion %:
JAX - 58.5
DEN - 60.7

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards
 
the money is not cap problem. If we hadn't sign OS, we would probably not have spent it or at least a good portion.

Then Rick Smith needs to be fired. Given the myriad of needs this team has, to stand pat,
would have shown incompetence.

I can't, for the life of me, find any talking head that says we've become a contender
by dropping all of this money on Os.

Actually, I keep hearing comparisons to the Hoyer signing. PFF has this guy right next
to Hoyer in their QB ratings..

In fact, they are saying that Os couldn't wait to leave Denver. If that's the case, then we should
have been able to pry him away for less than what the Broncos were offering -- NOT more..
 
You mean a team with 2 really good WRs, questionable OL, and mediocre run game? Yeah, he had that in Jacksonville and still only completed 58% of his passes. Mind blowing facts!

Team Stats:
Rushing:
JAX - 1473, 4.2 ypc
DEN - 1718, 4.2 ypc

Sacks:
JAX - 51
DEN - 39

Passing Yards:
JAX - 4108
DEN - 3970

Passing Yards/Game:
JAX - 257
DEN - 248

Completion %:
JAX - 58.5
DEN - 60.7

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards
Keep digging, hopefully you'll learn. You're confusing mind blowing facts with manipulated stats.
 
His red zone efficiency was very good (sample size).

What's to come at NRG Stadium.
Nuk Hopkins all day! His arm is lethal.
Speed would kill with his canon arm.


We better improve our secondary depth. Brock will shred us in practices. Think of Matt Schaub's best season here in Houston. The year he led the league in passing and won the Pro Bowl MVP. I think Brock Osweiler will be even better (stronger arm) than what Schaub was even during his best days.

I'm glad we can stretch the field and playbook. O'Brien finally has a QB who can do more than "dink and dunk" and throw short passes under 10 yards.

Brock Osweiler has a Joe Flacco like arm. And Flacco has been one of the better deep ball throwers in the league. Well, before injuries have slowed him down some. But when Flacco won the Super Bowl and had a Joe Montana like TD-to-INT ratio during that amazing playoff run, he threw many beautiful deep balls.

Watching more videos of Brock on NFL.com...
Seems like all of his deep throws look effortless.

This kid is special. I'm ready to see what O'Brien can do with him. Brock is pure gold compared to the crappy QBs we've had on our roster the past two seasons. No disrespect to them. And people think Tom Savage can beat out Brock Osweiler? Let's not kid ourselves. Savage can't even stay healthy.

Hey, I'm a Tom Savage fan and I think it's a little harsh to say he can't stay healthy. Most QB's in the league go down like that when their shoulders are driven into the artificial turf like his was in Dallas last year.

Regardless of whether you think he's injury prone or has just been unlucky these two years (could be either one IMO) I think we can agree on one thing. IF Tom Savage can beat Osweiler out of the starting job then the Texans have a very nice problem on their hands and we as Texans fans are in for something special.
 
That horrible 2 year commitment, why is it always the same posters?

Lol

Because some people won't be pleased, ever. If the Texans didn't make a move then McNair is cheap and doesn't care about the team, if they do make a move the Texans are stupid and got taken. However if Denver signed Osweiler to a similar deal Elway is a genius. Or just imagine if the Rams signed Osweiler, Rick Smith got out GM'd again.

I don't know if our new QB will work out, but like many have said... at least they have finally taken a swing.
 
We finally agree on something. I don't like the move, but it could pan out. I just think the likelihood isn't strong. I never trusted Kubiak's expertise at selecting and evaluating QB's much. Kubiak worked with Brock for a while, and even he didn't like him. Brock couldn't even beat out a 39 year old Manning who led the league in INT's all year playing a little over half a season. Brock looked okay at times when I watched him though. He is big and stands in the pocket well and can deliver big throws with a strong enough arm. In the end I have a big concern for why Denver didn't want him. People can bring up their cap space or that he wanted out or whatever they want. Elway is a baller as a GM, and he makes deals when he wants guys. They could have signed Brock, but it wasn't a big priority. They saw nothing special in him. That bothers me.

Who else was bidding for him? Only reports I have heard was us. No one else had a high interest in him?

A lot of cap space going towards him too. I guess it isn't that bad if the investment is only for two years possibly. I still hope they use a high draft pick on a QB. They need several guys as options.


Again this same sentiment which I just don't understand... It is a logical fallacy. Denver didn't value him? They offered the man a Brinks truck full of money the Texans offered him a slightly restructured, slight larger Brinks trunk, not to mention the removal of the bitter taste of "they benched me for a 39 year old washed up QB who did squat" that Kubiak and Elway gave him.
 
OK ladies and all Kool-Aid drinkers, the deal is done, there is not enough info on Brock to really know what you got. The jury will reconvene in November when you do. So until November I will leave you with this prognostication, if the Texans drafted Vernon Adams in the 2nd RD he would be the best QB on the Texans roster. Good Day!
 
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Then Rick Smith needs to be fired. Given the myriad of needs this team has, to stand pat,
would have shown incompetence.

I can't, for the life of me, find any talking head that says we've become a contender
by dropping all of this money on Os.

Actually, I keep hearing comparisons to the Hoyer signing. PFF has this guy right next
to Hoyer in their QB ratings..

In fact, they are saying that Os couldn't wait to leave Denver. If that's the case, then we should
have been able to pry him away for less than what the Broncos were offering -- NOT more..


Why are you so obsessed with radio personalities and talking heads? Who cares!

PFF is referencing its rating system and results from 2015... Hoyer's regular season numbers, according to most metrics, were quite good. Fortuntately for us, the Texans' organization isn't foolish enough to base decisions solely on statistical analysis. It should be noted that Osweiler was offered $16 million a year by Denver... My guess is they won't offer Hoyer anything near that. Also, Osweiler is 6 years younger, and it is reasonable to expect him to improve as he has his first extended opportunity to enter a season getting all the 1st team reps.
 
Then Rick Smith needs to be fired. Given the myriad of needs this team has, to stand pat,
would have shown incompetence.

I can't, for the life of me, find any talking head that says we've become a contender
by dropping all of this money on Os.

Actually, I keep hearing comparisons to the Hoyer signing. PFF has this guy right next
to Hoyer in their QB ratings..

In fact, they are saying that Os couldn't wait to leave Denver. If that's the case, then we should
have been able to pry him away for less than what the Broncos were offering -- NOT more
..

Perhaps because that wasn't the case? Speaking of case, you're never going to be happy until Case is the QB again. Perhaps that's the case?
 
Nope, but I would over Os.

My philosophy would have been to draft a cheap prospect (many folks had Lynch falling to us)
and figure out which vet on staff would be the best interim: Yates, Weeden, Savage, etc.

So you feel Lynch can be a franchise QB. This makes total sense, if that's what you're thinking. I think Cook & Hogan will be franchise QBs. Like you, I wouldn't have done this deal. However, the Texans may not believe Lynch, Cook, or Hogan will be franchise QBs. The fact that Lynch may fall to 22, that Cook will be available later, & that Hogan will definitely be available much later says many people think the same way. They may be wrong. But this is the decision they made based on what they believe.

Then spend the rest of that money fixing all of the other holes on the roster.
This team is _WAY_ more than just a QB away from being a contender.

Well, we signed a RB, a Center, & an OG

& we've got money left to play with. This deal didn't break our bank.

If you _HAD_ to get an overpriced vet, do it with a guy that's had a LOT of backup experience
(Daniel, etc.) -- although I wouldn't go that route.

Again, the Texans would have to believe Daniels could be a franchise QB & he's got less game time than Osweiler. Also, the story being spun now is that the Texans have been watching Osweiler for the last couple of years, since the joint work outs with the Broncos. They saw the work he put in to prepare, they saw how he carried himself on the field, how his teammates responded to him, how he practiced... there's a lot more than just looking at a stat sheet that went into this decision. A lot that we aren't privy to, so I understand how some of us can be upset about the situation... but there it is. The Texans have more "history" with Osweiler than they did with someone like Daniels.
 
I can't, for the life of me, find any talking head that says we've become a contender
by dropping all of this money on Os.


Ok... that's a big problem right there. F'ck the talking heads. & getting Osweiler wasn't about making us an instant contender. No more than drafting Wentz or Goff would. The Texans believe they can work with him & move in that direction. They believe he'll help us contend, but the deal is basically a two year prove it deal. So we'll see.
 
Plain truth is that the whole signing was a gamble. Bit overpaid? Yeah, probably but you have to look at all the factors.

1 - This is a playoff caliber team with a championship caliber defense. It's a even bigger gamble to believe a rookie out of the draft was going to come on the team and push us to the next level when they not only had to adjust their style to the game but adjust to being a professional athlete and all it entails from practice schedules, scrutiny, speed of the game, chemistry with vets, etc. Brock has the bit of an edge on any rookie.

2 - Who the heck else was out there? RG3 maybe and I wouldn't have minded that one. He probably would have been cheaper but a realistic look at him is he went through quite the ordeal in Washington that can reshape one's mental approach to the game. On top of that there is his injury issues, teaching how to go through pass progressions, and the pressure that follows him and he already wilted once under. So even as someone that would have been okay with going this route I see the negatives.

Manziel? Do I even need to speak on TMZ's love child? I liked the kid but he can't take a piss without a camera and we all know McNair not rolling that way.

Kaepnernick? Under contract so would have to give up something and he also broke under scrutiny and screwed up things in the locker room.

Mike Glennon? Added this one since Broncs are supposedly engaging with Bucs on him so safe to think other teams knew they could try this as well. Decent QB actually but under contract and you give up something for him. Bucs already decided last year he wasn't a franchise quarterback. Granted we are speaking about the Bucs so who knows.

And that's about it folks. They needed to address the position and did so. As I said, overpaid, yeah, but look at what QB's are making these days. Bradford just got $18 million as well. Cap went up, Texans had money and spent it. They were aggressive and actually grabbed a guy who has some upside and that the Broncos also wanted to keep. Since they saw him all the time there must have been something for him to be their first choice despite them being able to go after any of the ones mentioned who could have been cheaper. Their cap space is hardly flexible and they intend on trying to sign Miller to a long term.

So for a change we showed aggression in a position where we grabbed guys the past couple of years with no upside at all. We knew what Hoyer was. We knew what Fitz was. Os? We're arguing now because we have no clue what he is in the end and that is the main point. He can become something more. He was solid and played in a prime time game like against the Patriots. All the while he played on an offense with an inconsistent running game, D. Thomas going on a dropping spree and an offensive line with subpar pass blocking ability.

I'll take that gamble.
 
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See this is stupid to me. Kubiak wasn't there long enough to screw up the Broncos. Now it starts. That was John Fox's team.
I believe Peyton struggled because of Kubiak. And it now seems that Osweiler didn't want to stay because of Kubiak.

So its great to put up a picture of Kubiak like he was anything other than the luckiest bastard in the world to be in the right place at the right time and not because he had anything to do with it other than bring Wade Phillips with I'm, which btw, was Bob McNairs Idea.
 
And it costs you how much?

Not the issue. If it cost them $1M, it also wouldn't be my money. What does matter is how that number affects their ability to build and maintain a successful team around him. My concern for the number has strictly to do with that.
 
Nope, but I would over Os.

My philosophy would have been to draft a cheap prospect (many folks had Lynch falling to us)
and figure out which vet on staff would be the best interim: Yates, Weeden, Savage, etc.

Then spend the rest of that money fixing all of the other holes on the roster.
This team is _WAY_ more than just a QB away from being a contender.

If you _HAD_ to get an overpriced vet, do it with a guy that's had a LOT of backup experience
(Daniel, etc.) -- although I wouldn't go that route.

Wait, you think Os is a gamble, you want to address needs, and you don't want to waste a couple of years ... but with our most valuable resource you'd take a college kid with wonky accuracy who hasn't so much as sniffed a pro-style offense and settle in for those couple of years?
 

here is what the owner said...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...r-on-brock-osweiler-he-was-the-one-we-wanted/

He was the guy we wanted," McNair said. "Rick said he was going to get him, and he did. I've got to give him a lot of credit. He did a heck of a job."

"If we had waited for the draft, we would have had to give up picks to move up to get a guy we wanted," McNair said. "We probably would have had to give up at least three picks, and that's three quality players.

http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Bob-McNair-Moves-give-Texans-a-chance-to-go-a-6880614.php
 
Imagine if you will, if you can, what Blake Bortles QB Rating would've been if he had played for the very talented Super Bowl Champion Denver Broncos.

Bortles had two 1,000+ yard receivers and a RB that averaged 4.1 YPC. Not sure how that Broncos O-line is going to lower his league-leading sacks by much. Not sure how that Broncos defense would raise his 58% completion rate or lower his league-leading INT's and Pick-6's. At some point, you're going to have to let Bortles own bad habits and decision making.
 
You seem to put a lot confidence in Osweller's 7 NFL starts. His QB Rating 86.4 which ranks him #41 behind other great QBs such as Case Keenum, Geno Smith and Ryan Fitzpatrick. How do you like them apples? How's that math equation working out for you? Good Grief man, this is another Bill O'Brien and Rick Smith operation. What could possibly go wrong?
Osweiler was ranked #25 of those that qualified. Ahead of Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning, Ryan Tannehill, Teddy Bridgewater, Jameis Winston and Joe Flacco if you're playing a "let's cook the numbers" game.

Tell me you've got something else to hang your hat on.
 
Not the issue. If it cost them $1M, it also wouldn't be my money. What does matter is how that number affects their ability to build and maintain a successful team around him. My concern for the number has strictly to do with that.

Lots of successful teams put this much and more into the QB position. The real question is will he perform to the top half of the league for which he is being paid.

Kinda puts the cart before the horse but that's the nature of 2nd contract signings. Only going to get the horse in front of the cart from the get go is a rookie, and that has different costs.

I agree with McNair 100% - if you were serious about a QB this offseason there were 3 guys: Wentz, Goff and Oz. One cost a lot of money. Two cost lots of picks.
 
One cost a lot of money. Two cost lots of picks.

Exactly the point I've been making around the water cooler this morning, the Texans had more value in picks than cap space, so why not use the dang cap space? I've been a harsh critic of Rick Smith for a long time but I agree with these moves 100%. Now let's see how he does in this draft, I'm hopeful this will be a good one, despite I really have no reason to believe it will be.
 
Broncos fans are salty as hell at Brock for leaving. I have a buddy who lives outside Denver and he said he can't remember the fan base turning on a guy like this before. Even Rahim Moore didn't catch half this much flak after his playoff fiasco.

The fact that they are this upset about it only reinforces my feeling that this was a very good decision. Yes we overpaid, but if Brock was "just a backup" or "overrated" then there would be no reason for them to be so butt hurt about him leaving.
 
Broncos fans are salty as hell at Brock for leaving. I have a buddy who lives outside Denver and he said he can't remember the fan base turning on a guy like this before. Even Rahim Moore didn't catch half this much flak after his playoff fiasco.

The fact that they are this upset about it only reinforces my feeling that this was a very good decision. Yes we overpaid, but if Brock was "just a backup" or "overrated" then there would be no reason for them to be so butt hurt about him leaving.

Elways whole "well, we only want people who want to be here" spiel was like...wtf. Like he was expecting a home-town discount. I think Elway may have miscalculated.
 
Broncos fans are salty as hell at Brock for leaving. I have a buddy who lives outside Denver and he said he can't remember the fan base turning on a guy like this before. Even Rahim Moore didn't catch half this much flak after his playoff fiasco.

The fact that they are this upset about it only reinforces my feeling that this was a very good decision. Yes we overpaid, but if Brock was "just a backup" or "overrated" then there would be no reason for them to be so butt hurt about him leaving.

Elways whole "well, we only want people who want to be here" spiel was like...wtf. Like he was expecting a home-town discount. I think Elway may have miscalculated.
 
Elways whole "well, we only want people who want to be here" spiel was like...wtf. Like he was expecting a home-town discount. I think Elway may have miscalculated.

Using his logic, can you imagine the team the Broncos could put together if the NFL quit testing for weed? Super Bowl champs every year! :trophy:
 
I dont know how I feel about Osweiler at all. 7 starts still isnt enough to warrant such a huge contract like the one Houston gave him.
He definitely may be an upgrade over Brian Hoyer.
With that contract, does Houston even give Savage a shot? you are not paying 17 a year to see that man on the bench.
If Osweiler doesnt work out can we finally give the chop on Smith?
I still believe trading up for Goff or Wentz was the better option.
The problem with this organization is that they do not have the BALLS to get talent. I mean it does take Balls to give Osweiler such a contract but I think potential wise and the way this AFC South division is going, drafting a young GOOD QB would be smart.
Colts have Luck
Jags have Bortles
Titans have Mariota
and then theres us...With Brock Osweiler
I also am aware that Osweiler is 24...but I think actually drafting the guy and grooming him is better.
 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/10/osweiler-negotiations-were-clean-simple/

Yes, the Broncos unnecessarily delayed the process by giving quarterback Peyton Manning time to consider his future before making an offer to Osweiler. When the first offer came from the Broncos (without, per a league source, an opener from Osweiler’s camp), the numbers were much lower than the three-year, $45 million figure that was leaked to the media.

Only the Texans were interested, but like most teams now do the Texans didn’t articulate a position until the legal tampering period opened. (The relationship between the Broncos and Texans G.M. Rick Smith, who previously worked in Denver, made shenanigans less likely.) So the Texans waited until the window opened, and they made a significantly better offer than the Broncos did.

Instead, that first big contract will be paid by Houston. But there’s a real risk that comes from changing teams, sight unseen. Osweiler accepted the terms from Houston without meeting the coaching staff, ownership, other players, or anyone else. Maybe it will all work out, maybe it won’t. Regardless, it will play out under the weight of enormous pressure and expectations.
 
I dont know how I feel about Osweiler at all. 7 starts still isnt enough to warrant such a huge contract like the one Houston gave him.

Schaub had 2 starts when we traded for him and gave him a contract for what would be equivalent to $14 mil with today's cap.

With that contract, does Houston even give Savage a shot?

If the Texans thought Savage had a shot they wouldn't have that contract. They'd have a rookie 2nd rounder.
 
I read something a while back and posted about it before we even got Brock, but kubiak was telling the team that Peyton was still the starting qb the entire time he was out.

So while Brock may have gotten the hook in his last game, Kubiak had always planned to go back to Peyton. That decision wasn't about him not liking Brock.

And besides, the Broncos didn't cast him off. They wanted him back.​
 
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