Mangler
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I know you probably thought I was just making things up. I hope you read it in it's entirety. Here's a link:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2607365-bob-mcnair-comments-on-texans-qb-situation
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2607365-bob-mcnair-comments-on-texans-qb-situation
Ok thank you... don't believe I've seen that article before. Aaron Wilson's interview has been posted a few times but don't recall the quote being exactly that
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The first one? Or the 2nd?
I can't imagine telling my crew I made a mistake yanking Hoyer in the third qtr of the very first game of the season, then having Hoyer prove to the world I never should have started him in the first place in our very last game of the season.
badboy
Hall of Fame
You need to bring your best stuff to convince me Jake Coker cannot be successful in NFL. I have watched this kid all season and he is real deal; yes he has issues as do the others, but he is all around best QB that will fit Texans after #22.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Clarification, are you saying you would not take him at #22? If so, when is about the earliest you would take him?
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Sorry BB but im not spending a second round pick on him. He struggled when he played. He struggled to start for a college team. Who's giving him a second round grade? I'll quote myself below as I think I said it best in the coker thread...
You'll notice i didn't say he CAN'T succeed. I'm not willing to wait for him to figure it out for half a decade while the rest of our team starts sprouting gray hair.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Henry at #22? yeah maybe if his career stats were his 2015 stats. Look a first needs to have awesome stats in his final college season and most should have at least two seasons of excellent ball. Elliott 2014: 1878 6.9 2015: 1821 6.3 or Docston 2015: (10 games) 1018 15.7 2015 1327 16.8
badboy
Hall of Fame
excellent question and I think for me it is in third and based on info today, after combine/pro days, etc I could go up or down. I am pretty sure Goff and Wentz and probably Lynch are gone prior to 22; the latter falling fast now but should rebound after combine. Coker could slide to fourth but I doubt it; QB just such a priority. I do not have Hack, Cook, Prescott, or Jones rated above Coker but do think some will be drafted before him and that is a positive for Texans.
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Would you have wanted Gronk based on his final season stats?
badboy
Hall of Fame
Let me clarify my statement.. Goff, Wentz and Lynch should be gone #22. Of those after that, I believe Coker best suits Texans even if he is ranked by some as 4th round material. I am currently mocking him #85.
badboy
Hall of Fame
You can't use that example because hindsight figures in. You go with what you know at the time you choose.
Just imagine we had Andy Dalton as our QB last season.
Find me another RB & a speedy WR & a guy like Cook can come in & have one of those amazing rookie seasons we'd dream our starting QB would have.
No, he's not Peyton Manning, or Tom Brady. He needs a good team around him... we've got a good team. Not a great team. But a good team. A team good enough that a guy like Cook can learn to play & maybe the next Brady... Montana.
Yeah... we could probably say the same thing about Goff, or Wentz, maybe even Lynch. BUT I argue, Cook is more ready to start.
Find me another RB & a speedy WR & a guy like Cook can come in & have one of those amazing rookie seasons we'd dream our starting QB would have.
No, he's not Peyton Manning, or Tom Brady. He needs a good team around him... we've got a good team. Not a great team. But a good team. A team good enough that a guy like Cook can learn to play & maybe the next Brady... Montana.
Yeah... we could probably say the same thing about Goff, or Wentz, maybe even Lynch. BUT I argue, Cook is more ready to start.
I can use that example as one of a first rounder not needing to have awesome stats necessarily. Carson Wentz doesn't have eye-popping stats. But you can watch any of these guys play for a couple of quarters and know beyond their statline that they can be a difference maker on the field. I certainly think Henry can and he'd be a reasonable first round pick, especially for a team as anemic as us on offense and who will hopefully be easing in a new young QB.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
So you're giving him an early 3rd round grade. You saw in my post i was content with an early 6 -possibly a late 5.
Shouldn't be much worth arguing over unless you consider what it means to a franchise. Im not putting my eggs in the coker basket and hoping for the best. I just dont see him ready to take the reigns in 2 years...we already drafted that guy (savage.) It would be one thing to draft him if we had an aging franchise qb he could learn behind. Instead we're stuck in qb hell and sooner then later (1year) coker would be expected to perform. I'll sale for cook or sackenberg in that instance.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Then we just disagree on Jake Coker.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Are you just looking for personal opinion here?
Mangler
Toro de España
Well, sure from anyone who has actually watched him play.
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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
He meets all the physical criteria on paper and i think he will start to rebound after the combine. I've seen almost nothing of him live. The highlights show some godly throws. The bowl game which was televised nationally when draftniks really start to zero in on people was a disaster. I'd love to draft him but he wont be there at 22.
Lynch has an slight edge on Wentz in arm strength. In every other category though I believe Wentz has a legit advantage. From pre-snap through the play, progressions, accuracy, mobility, anticipating windows, all go to Wentz. Mobility is pretty close though. Wentz has played quarterback from the neck up with more pro concepts and he's played well in meaningful games. I'll give Lynch that he might throw a bit better deep ball, but this is marginal and isn't something that can't be repped up. I've watched them each play multiple games and it's really not a contest to me at this point. Lynch is intriguing from a sheer create-a-QB kind of mold, but Wentz is easily the better pro QB prospect.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Let me be forthright and say the only live game of Pax I've seen was his bowl game and it was BAD all the way around. He never had protection, no running game, when guys were open he missed them, when he hit wr's they dropped it.
All that being said, i wonder just how many of us would grade Brady as a top 5 qb all time if the only game we ever watched was the AFC championship game against the Broncos? I've never seen Brady get his ass kicked like that and he folded like they all do. I need a better sample size. The highlights are highlights. Nobody looks bad on highlight videos...but he looks good and definitely has the tools.
If ob can make fitz or hack look good, i'd love to see what he could do with pax in a couple of years. He's not a consolation prize.
All that being said, i wonder just how many of us would grade Brady as a top 5 qb all time if the only game we ever watched was the AFC championship game against the Broncos? I've never seen Brady get his ass kicked like that and he folded like they all do. I need a better sample size. The highlights are highlights. Nobody looks bad on highlight videos...but he looks good and definitely has the tools.
If ob can make fitz or hack look good, i'd love to see what he could do with pax in a couple of years. He's not a consolation prize.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
So, if I've gathered this correctly, McNair wants to keep Hoyer around in order to give a young QB a veteran presence to lean on? This is the same Hoyer who downright refused to help young QB's in Cleveland and also refused to help Mallett last year?
Hoyer is a vet and probably a good guy, but he has a track record of looking out for himself behind the scenes and trying to secure his job instead of helping younger talent. Josh McCown came into Cleveland and did everything he could to help Manziel (not his fault the kid has issues). Meanwhile, Hoyer did everything he could to hold onto that job in Cleveland and then came into Houston and downright refused to help Mallett.
Not exactly the guy I want mentoring my new toy.
Hoyer is a vet and probably a good guy, but he has a track record of looking out for himself behind the scenes and trying to secure his job instead of helping younger talent. Josh McCown came into Cleveland and did everything he could to help Manziel (not his fault the kid has issues). Meanwhile, Hoyer did everything he could to hold onto that job in Cleveland and then came into Houston and downright refused to help Mallett.
Not exactly the guy I want mentoring my new toy.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Mallett didn't mention Hoyer but he effectively said the same in complimenting Schaub (with a 'this place is so much better') for how much effort he put in getting Mallett up to speed on the system and game plans.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
That is pretty much what I was referring to. I think we all knew what he meant when he said that. Keep in mind that there were plenty of rumors in Cleveland that he refused to help Manziel acclimate as well. He knows he's at the end of the line and is fighting tooth and nail to keep his spot. I get that. But he's going to be in it for him and not for the kid's development because he doesn't want that kid to take his job. That's not the guy I want mentoring my new young QB.
Shishkabob
All Pro
only way you can bring Hoyer back is to sit him down and tell him straight up. Do to your limitations, and health issues we want to keep you as a backup/mentor and nothing more. We want you to help these young kids get up to speed and help us coach them. You will be our backup not the starter, we have to see what we have elsewhere if you are fine with this then great if not then good luck to you.
Shishkabob
All Pro
where? Old Mcnair pretty much said today he wants us to draft our QB of the future. I think he is tired of retreads like us all, and i dont see us paying the money for Bradford that some other team will
So you'd put him on the field or not with his health issues?
Shishkabob
All Pro
Like i said he would be a backup, most likely 3rd string as i rather have the rookie or Savage who ever is not the starter getting the 2nd team reps. So the only way he really sees the field is if we repeat what we've been doing since 2013...
Again i rather not have Hoyer return, as i think its to tempting for OB to give him a shot until the rookie is up to speed at the very least, but if they do want him to return thats what i would do
I was just trying to see if you'd be good putting him on the field if you're concerned he has health issues.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Mangler
Toro de España
So, Bob McNair says there are four or five QBs who look like they have enough talent, size, and athletic ability, and doesn't know any reason why we wouldn't be able to get one of them." Are we trading up? I doubt any of the ones making all the noise will be available at 22. Anyway, I like that they are serous about addressing the position, I just hope they don't make a mistake and draft just whatever is left, out of desperation.
Here is the link:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...r-texans-looking-to-draft-to-find-quarterback
Here is the link:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...r-texans-looking-to-draft-to-find-quarterback
I wonder if he thinks there's not much separation between those four or five of them?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
If he's talking top 4-5 then it's 1st 2 rounds.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I wonder if OB sees much separation between Aaron Rodgers and Andy Dalton?
No, just no to Cardale Jones... if they want to go that route then Prescott maybe
leebigeztx
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I think where the Texans are drafting, Su'a Cravens is yhe best player on the board. He can play wilb,move McKinney to silb and either cut Cushing or movr him to solb.
I have a hard time thinking that he would be BPA in the first, even with a trade down. In the second maybe, but we have way too many holes to fill at other positions. And QB is the biggest of those and will be taken in one of the first two rounds
leebigeztx
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Why wouldn't you think he's the bpa? I think he's a high impact play maker and he'll be right there. I'm one of those who says they need a qb. Hell, I've bern saying that even when schaub was playing pretty good. I think the top 3 are gonna be gone. I think they're gonna to either have move up 8 spots or they're gonna have to try the young reclamation project,but they can still draft a qb in the 2nd rd.
I just don't think he will be. Lots of talent there, and talent at positions we actually need. I'd go for a Ragland or Jacks before Craven and I don't want a LB at all in the first round. We need to build offense much more... QB, RB, OL... even a slot WR
TexansSeminole
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I thought about posting this in one of the many threads that are talking about drafting a quarterback, McNair's interest in doing so, etc, but I couldn't decide which.
Link
He also throws in:
Nothing new, I suppose, but it's always noteworthy to hear from the owner. His using phrases like "we don't need a superstar there, but it needs to be reliable play that won't take anything away from us," isn't exactly informative. There's a wide range between superstar and a guy that just doesn't screw up.
Another thing that is interesting is that he both says that we will improve the defense, and implies that building through the defense is the playbook for the Texans. That doesn't contradict what we've seen from the FO in year's past. That's all well and good, I just hope we don't neglect this offense this off-season.
So, I wonder when he talks about our chances of getting one of the top 5 QBs in the draft, is he looking at 1st round or thinking that we'll have a shot at one of those guys in the 2nd or beyond?
Who knows though, this could just be a bunch of hot air, filler talk.
Link
ESPN said:
He also throws in:
ESPN said:
Nothing new, I suppose, but it's always noteworthy to hear from the owner. His using phrases like "we don't need a superstar there, but it needs to be reliable play that won't take anything away from us," isn't exactly informative. There's a wide range between superstar and a guy that just doesn't screw up.
Another thing that is interesting is that he both says that we will improve the defense, and implies that building through the defense is the playbook for the Texans. That doesn't contradict what we've seen from the FO in year's past. That's all well and good, I just hope we don't neglect this offense this off-season.
So, I wonder when he talks about our chances of getting one of the top 5 QBs in the draft, is he looking at 1st round or thinking that we'll have a shot at one of those guys in the 2nd or beyond?
Who knows though, this could just be a bunch of hot air, filler talk.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Jack will be gone, ragland is thicker,thumper type. Cravens is much like Derrick Johnson of KC and Donnie Edwards if you remember him. He's a guy great in coverage and range. If you've watched the texans enough,you know they cant cover any te with ability or rb. He can solve alot of problems they have on that defense. Not to mention, he's a joker type of player. That means he can allow your defense to morph.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
He's much more like Thomas Davis and even then 10 lbs lighter. RAC tends to go over-sized on LBs, with some inherited exceptions, not under-sized.
Ain't happening.
Ain't happening.