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What to do in 1st round?

Out of position for top 3 QB's, what should be 1st round strategy now?

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PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
What to do in the first round? Draft whatever player leads to " LONG TERM CONTINUITY"
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Yep the Texans wouldn't want to do anything too drastic. Get the QB, fill another hole or 2 in the draft and a couple in FA. Let the QB get experience next yr, hit on 2/3 holes in draft/ 2-3 in FA in 2017 and then you've got a contender in 2018.

This is the best plan I can come up with, so that means the Texans surely wont have a plan like this. Plus it would take a competent GM to pull this plan off so I dont expect much.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep the Texans wouldn't want to do anything too drastic. Get the QB, fill another hole or 2 in the draft and a couple in FA. Let the QB get experience next yr, hit on 2/3 holes in draft/ 2-3 in FA in 2017 and then you've got a contender in 2018.

This is the best plan I can come up with, so that means the Texans surely wont have a plan like this. Plus it would take a competent GM to pull this plan off so I dont expect much.
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Not that I disagree, but why do you feel the need to throw in a shot like this on every single post? You talk some good football when you decide to talk football, which isn't much anymore, but you're preaching to the choir. Everyone here knows your opinion, it's nothing new. Why keep beating us over the head with it? It adds nothing to the conversation in any way. You should go picket on Kirby across from NRG, maybe someone new will get your message about how you feel about RicK Smith. Maybe you'll even start a movement...lol

It just gets real old man... real old
 
JB said:
Not that I disagree, but why do you feel the need to throw in a shot like this on every single post? You talk some good football when you decide to talk football, which isn't much anymore, but you're preaching to the choir. Everyone here knows your opinion, it's nothing new. Why keep beating us over the head with it? It adds nothing to the conversation in any way. You should go picket on Kirby across from NRG, maybe someone new will get your message about how you feel about RicK Smith. Maybe you'll even start a movement...lol

It just gets real old man... real old
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That's why I've bowed out of a few threads. The lines have been drawn, sides have been chosen, opinions formed and set in stone. No minds are going to be changed, so why keep pushing?
 
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For the PFF grades...keep in mind that dual threat guys are naturally going to be graded higher because of their production on the ground.
 
DocBar said:
That's why I've bowed out of a few threads. The lines have been drawn, sides have been chosen, opinions formed and set in stone. No minds are going to be changed, so why keep pushing?
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I've said in other threads they did a good job in the draft this past yr and that includes Rick.

Welcome to the NSZ
 
DocBar said:
I'm sure I've never seen a list like this for the top 10 QB's in the draft.
PFF is known for different analysis, but this looks upside down to me.


TOP 10 QUARTERBACKS
BY PFF OVERALL RATING
  • 1
    Baker Mayfield
    Oklahoma

  • 2
    Trevone Boykin
    TCU

  • 3
    Matt Johnson
    Bowling Green
    • 4
      Mason Rudolph
      Oklahoma State


    • 5
      Brandon Doughty
      Western Kentucky


    • 6
      Jared Goff
      Cal


    • 7
      Paxton Lynch
      Memphis


    • 8
      Marquise Williams
      North Carolina


    • 9
      Zach Terrell
      Western Michigan


    • 10
      Greg Ward Jr.
What do you guys think of this list?
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It's better to avoid quarterbacks from prominent, highly ranked schools. They are often successful because their talented teammates make them so. Hence I wouldn't consider the top 2 on this list.
 
JB said:
Not that I disagree, but why do you feel the need to throw in a shot like this on every single post? You talk some good football when you decide to talk football, which isn't much anymore, but you're preaching to the choir. Everyone here knows your opinion, it's nothing new. Why keep beating us over the head with it? It adds nothing to the conversation in any way. You should go picket on Kirby across from NRG, maybe someone new will get your message about how you feel about RicK Smith. Maybe you'll even start a movement...lol

It just gets real old man... real old
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I need to hang out in the draft thread more.
 
DocBar said:
I'm sure I've never seen a list like this for the top 10 QB's in the draft.
PFF is known for different analysis, but this looks upside down to me.


TOP 10 QUARTERBACKS
BY PFF OVERALL RATING
  • 1
    Baker Mayfield
    Oklahoma

  • 2
    Trevone Boykin
    TCU

  • 3
    Matt Johnson
    Bowling Green
    • 4
      Mason Rudolph
      Oklahoma State


    • 5
      Brandon Doughty
      Western Kentucky


    • 6
      Jared Goff
      Cal


    • 7
      Paxton Lynch
      Memphis


    • 8
      Marquise Williams
      North Carolina


    • 9
      Zach Terrell
      Western Michigan


    • 10
      Greg Ward Jr.
What do you guys think of this list?
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I truly hope this is way these are drafted..then we get Goff. I realize all have opinion but when I see something like this I sigh and go elsewhere. I have been hearing some more critique on Wentz and Lynch needing at least full year sitting and learning.
 
Seegara said:
It's better to avoid quarterbacks from prominent, highly ranked schools. They are often successful because their talented teammates make them so. Hence I wouldn't consider the top 2 on this list.[/QUOTE
I would try to give QB some talented teammates to go with Nuk. I think that was the plan when we drafted Strong, Mumphries, and signed Shorts and Washington. It didn't work well but it was an attempt. IIRC teams did not have as much cap space 2014 off season as this one. We extended Watt but we did adjust some others. I think. Point I am trying to make is we should be able to go after better players than these two WRs, Moore and Wilfork. Identify the best and sign them quickly. I have changed my view of going after high dollar FA's but only in regards to older ones like Reed and Wilfork.
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Whoops noticed my reply ended up in Seegara's message so I bolded my thoughts. Sorry
 
Seegara said:
It's better to avoid quarterbacks from prominent, highly ranked schools. They are often successful because their talented teammates make them so.
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Let's consider the last 4 quarterbacks to play a step away from the super bowl or in it:

Manning - prominent highly ranked school
Newton - prominent highly ranked school
Palmer- prominent highly ranked school
Brady- prominent highly ranked school
 
Seegara said:
I know better than this. I shouldn't post any comment while CAK is online, because he camps out just waiting for me to write a message so he can disparage.
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I think you zero'd in on miami qb's and overlooked the best nfl teams.
 
Lot of AirRaid guys with padded stats. Mayfield, Boykin, Rudolf.. The big problem with those
guys is that they are not taught to go through multiple reads/progressions.

Both Keenum and Weeden are still overcoming that issue..

Goff and Lynch will be gone by the time we pick. I'm surprised not to see Wentz and Cook..

Ward is a hell of a playmaker, but he's going to be in school next year. (and will probably
be some kind of receiver when he gets to the league)
 
I had to come back in this thread and change my vote. I'm not exactly sure what I voted for originally but I changed it to "Other alternative" mainly because "Trade up to get a top QB" is followed by "even if it costs JJ Watt" which is just stupid. You can trade up without having to consider losing Watt or really much in the way of existing players. What it's going to cost you is picks and at this point I'm thinking I'd part with a shitload of picks if I was positive that one of these guys was worth it (who knows what the Texans are thinking).

I think that I wouldn't necessarily target the top overall pick and would instead be looking at San Diego's spot at #3 to trade into if they are interested. Let Cleveland go first and use their "special talent" to find the bust before we take a QB after them.
 
Hervoyel said:
I had to come back in this thread and change my vote. I'm not exactly sure what I voted for originally but I changed it to "Other alternative" mainly because "Trade up to get a top QB" is followed by "even if it costs JJ Watt" which is just stupid. You can trade up without having to consider losing Watt or really much in the way of existing players. What it's going to cost you is picks and at this point I'm thinking I'd part with a shitload of picks if I was positive that one of these guys was worth it (who knows what the Texans are thinking).

I think that I wouldn't necessarily target the top overall pick and would instead be looking at San Diego's spot at #3 to trade into if they are interested. Let Cleveland go first and use their "special talent" to find the bust before we take a QB after them.
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This entire post is on target. And I fully expect Paxton Lynch to destroy the Underwear Olympics and end up in Cleveland.
 
If we miss on the top 3 and get stuck settling for somebody like hack can we at least not blow the #22 pick? Trade back - get a 3 and then take SACKENBERG.
 
powda said:
If we miss on the top 3 and get stuck settling for somebody like hack can we at least not blow the #22 pick? Trade back - get a 3 and then take SACKENBERG.
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that would be cool there is going to be 1 or 2 QBs that should be 2nd round picks

we just need to figure out how many QB's will be taken round 1 and the first few rounds round 2 IDK when we pick round 2
 
Texans are in a catch 22 AT pick #22.

If they draft a QB there they will automatically be accused of over drafting. They pick too late in the 2nd round for any of the top 4-5 QB's to drop that far.

You select the guy you want and draft him when/if he is available at 22.

Whatever you do you DO NOT mortgage your future for one guy. That has never worked.
 
DX-TEX said:
Texans are in a catch 22 AT pick #22.

If they draft a QB there they will automatically be accused of over drafting. They pick too late in the 2nd round for any of the top 4-5 QB's to drop that far.

You select the guy you want and draft him when/if he is available at 22.

Whatever you do you DO NOT mortgage your future for one guy. That has never worked.
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I agree. I think we have to sit back and see how the top ten plays out. Then if one of the top three QB's is still around we look real hard a trading up. That is if we have that particular qb rated as a top tier prospect. Their are some exceptional players in this draft at OT and DL that could come right in and start immediately and be an upgrade over what we currently have.

Having said that, I think Mcnair is going to push for a splash at qb and demand we do whatever it takes to get one. Hope it works out.
 
Byrds Man said:
We're going to have to try and replace Foster, so why not give Weeden or Savage the chance to prove they've got what it takes.
Take a running back.
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Running this NE style offensive I don't think we will ever have a High draft RB we will work with 2 or 3 Backs every year
 
Norg said:
Running this NE style offensive I don't think we will ever have a High draft RB we will work with 2 or 3 Backs every year
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Understand that thought but I am thinking we have seen what happens without a strong three down back like Foster. Hoping to strike it rich in later rounds or UDFA like Arian is not going to get us to SB. Can see Blue and Polk being gone with Grimes being a FA and not showing much until this his third season (Texans). He has the avg (5) but only 282 yards with 1 TD does not scream "sign him" for me. With Foster out he had his chance to blow Blue to the bench but didn't; probably could be signed for about same $600 K if he is wanted. No I'm hoping we use a second or at least look at Kenyan Drake in fourth. He is not a Foster but can catch as well as run. Are Texans putting eggs in Foster's basket again? shiver

Byrds Man said:
We're going to have to try and replace Foster, so why not give Weeden or Savage the chance to prove they've got what it takes.
Take a running back.
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While RB is a dire need IMO, only EZ Elliott is mocked (by most) to go in first and that probably before #22. Henry (Heisman) is ranked just out of first and most think he is going to fall due to his upright running style and perhaps the beating he took this last season. My guy Collins should be available at round two as should Kenneth Dixon, so my thought is get your guy at #52 and use 22 for another position.
I do expect Savage and Weeden to compete with a draft pick (Coker) and a vet (not Hoyer).
 
Out of our current backfield Hunt is the only one who intrigues me. Blue, Grimes, and Polk are jags who showed just a flash of potential and then squandered every chance to secure more playing time. Hunt is slight of build but showed great stop and start speed. He looks like a guy who could get a lot better with more coaching.

Out of the draftable backs mentioned, im a fan of Collins, Dixon, and Drake (i'd be happy with drake in the 3rd.) Im not comfortable drafting Elliott in the first round and would pass. Probably that's sacrilege to some ,but there aren't many rb's in the last few years i'd have drafted in the first. Shelf life, college carries, college line and talent...yada yada

badboy said:
I do expect Savage and Weeden to compete with a draft pick (Coker) and a vet (not Hoyer).
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I was with you all the way until you mentioned Coker. Then...

 
powda said:
Out of our current backfield Hunt is the only one who intrigues me. Blue, Grimes, and Polk are jags who showed just a flash of potential and then squandered every chance to secure more playing time. Hunt is slight of build but showed great stop and start speed. He looks like a guy who could get a lot better with more coaching.

Out of the draftable backs mentioned, im a fan of Collins, Dixon, and Drake (i'd be happy with drake in the 3rd.) Im not comfortable drafting Elliott in the first round and would pass. Probably that's sacrilege to some ,but there aren't many rb's in the last few years i'd have drafted in the first. Shelf life, college carries, college line and talent...yada yada



I was with you all the way until you mentioned Coker. Then...

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I'm looking to replace Arian Foster. I would draft Elliot to do that. The guy is everything Foster was, coming out of college, minus the fumble-itis and head case worries.

Sacrilege...There are very good reasons no one on this board is a talent evaluater on an NFL team. lol

I like what Hunt showed during the season, but he's probably not an every down back in the NFL. I would give him a serious look as a return man.
 
Byrds Man said:
We're going to have to try and replace Foster, so why not give Weeden or Savage the chance to prove they've got what it takes.
Take a running back.
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This is my thinking except scratch weeden off that list as a potential starter...I've seen enough of him here & elsewhere he's a back up imo. I think we sit back & take best available offensive skill player at 22 unless Goff or Wentz are available there. We then come back in round 2 and take our qb (Hack, Coker). We go into the season with Savage as the incumbent with Hack/Coker 3rd string. and another offensive weapon to help whomever wins the competition.
 
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Mr teX said:
This is my thinking except scratch weeden off that list as a potential starter...I've seen enough of him here & elsewhere he's a back up imo. I think we sit back & take best available offensive skill player at 22 unless Goff or Wentz are available there. We then come back in round 2 and take our qb (Hack, Coker). We go into the season with Savage as the incumbent with Hack/Coker 3rd string. and another offensive weapon to help whomever wins the competition.
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Would you bring Weeden back as the backup or try to find another vet? Surely you don't want Hoyer here at all
 
We are in no position to trade up and mortgage our future cause there are way too many holes to fill. But I'd really like it if we picked up Ezekiel Elliotand Hunter Henry!
 
JB said:
Would you bring Weeden back as the backup or try to find another vet? Surely you don't want Hoyer here at all
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After Hoyer's performance in the playoffs, there's no way you can bring him back, not even as a back up. Plus what we save on the cap if we go ahead and release him could be better used elsewhere. I think Weeden showed enough in his spot start performance to say that he can do the job. Remember, he'd only been here 2 weeks before he had to come in during the Colts game and he looked ok. He should only get better with more time in the system. however I don't expect him to get good enough to be a capable starter.
 
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Short list as of today that assumes QB's are gone ...

Ezekiel Elliott
Jason Spriggs
Andrew Billings
Corey Coleman
Hunter Henry
 
Mollywhopper said:
Short list as of today that assumes QB's are gone ...

Ezekiel Elliott
Jason Spriggs
Andrew Billings
Corey Coleman
Hunter Henry
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Do you have Spriggs rated above Decker and Conklin or figure they will be gone?
 
JB said:
Would you bring Weeden back as the backup or try to find another vet? Surely you don't want Hoyer here at all
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IMO, we would need a veteran back up to prevent our offense from going to **** if our starter were injured, or to help develop a young up & coming QB.

We don't have a veteran QB who will have our offense operating at a high level so I'm not worried about a dip in performance.

I don't think Weeden or Hoyer are qualified to mentor a young wide eyed pup.

If it were up to me, I'd take a QB in this draft, high, low, doesn't matter as long as he's a guy who they can get behind 100% that guy, Savage, & an undrafted free agent to run the scout team.

If something were to happen to the draft pick I could get behind 100% or Savage, we'll address it the same way we did when Hoyer got hurt.

But from here on out, we're looking for our future QB. Not a "stop gap"
 
Mr teX said:
After Hoyer's performance in the playoffs, there's no way you can bring him back, not even as a back up. Plus what we save on the cap if we go ahead and release him could be better used elsewhere. I think Weeden showed enough in his spot start performance to say that he can do the job. Remember, he'd only been here 2 weeks before he had to come in during the Colts game and he looked ok. He should only get better with more time in the system. however I don't expect him to get good enough to be a capable starter.
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McNair already went public saying that Hoyer did a lot of good things, and though he wants a franchise QB the rookie will need Hoyer to show him the ropes while he learns the system. It's pretty clear Hoyer is staying, not only by McNair saying that, but also cause of his contract.
 
Mangler said:
McNair already went public saying that Hoyer did a lot of good things, and though he wants a franchise QB the rookie will need Hoyer to show him the ropes while he learns the system. It's pretty clear Hoyer is staying, not only by McNair saying that, but also cause of his contract.
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They save almost $5mil by releasing him, why do you think his contract prevents that? McNair also said that getting a QB is a priority, would he have said that if he thought Hoyer was all that?
 
JB said:
They save almost $5mil by releasing him, why do you think his contract prevents that? McNair also said that getting a QB is a priority, would he have said that if he thought Hoyer was all that?
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Thats exactly why he said we need a franchise QB, I assume.
 
JB said:
They save almost $5mil by releasing him, why do you think his contract prevents that? McNair also said that getting a QB is a priority, would he have said that if he thought Hoyer was all that?
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Agreed. Doesn't make sense to pay a backup $5M not to play.

But we've done worse.
 
JB said:
This makes absolutely no sense... we need a franchise QB because he's high on Hoyer?
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He said we need a franchise QB, but the rookie would need a vet to show him the ropes while he learned the system. He then went on to say that Hoyer did a lot of good things this past season. That's what makes most people think he ain't going nowhere. I'm sure Houston unanimously wants Hoyer out of here, but what can we do? It's ultimately up to McNair and O.B.
 
Mangler said:
He said we need a franchise QB, but the rookie would need a vet to show him the ropes while he learned the system. He then went on to say that Hoyer did a lot of good things this past season. That's what makes most people think he ain't going nowhere. I'm sure Houston unanimously wants Hoyer out of here, but what can we do? It's ultimately up to McNair and O.B.
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He said the rookie would need Hoyer to show him the ropes? I don't recall that, can you provide a link? And if you bothered to do some reading on this board you would find that most here are very knowledgeable football fans and not many think that Hoyer will be here.
 
JB said:
He said the rookie would need Hoyer to show him the ropes? I don't recall that, can you provide a link? And if you bothered to do some reading on this board you would find that most here are very knowledgeable football fans and not many think that Hoyer will be here.
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I'm pretty sure there are lots of knowledgeable football fans here. (not sure what the point of that was) But, what I meant is that by McNair saying that Hoyer did a lot of good things this past season, after saying that a rookie QB would need a vet that knows the system the ropes, lead others to believe Hoyer is probably getting another go. That's very frustrating! Specially after his meltdown against KC.
 
Mangler said:
I'm pretty sure there are lots of knowledgeable football fans here. (not sure what the point of that was) But, what I meant is that by McNair saying that Hoyer did a lot of good things this past season, after saying that a rookie QB would need a vet that knows the system the ropes, lead others to believe Hoyer is probably getting another go. That's very frustrating! Specially after his meltdown against KC.
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Again, I don't recall McNair saying that a rookie would need a vet to show him the ropes or even that a rookie QB was in the plan. Can you provide a link showing this?
 
JB said:
Again, I don't recall McNair saying that a rookie would need a vet to show him the ropes or even that a rookie QB was in the plan. Can you provide a link showing this?
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Yeah - the McNair comments I have seen essentially consisted of 'the QB position will absolutely be addressed' ... followed by a milquetoast 'Brian did some good things.'
 
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