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What to do in 1st round?
- Thread starter Seegara
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If Wentz and Cook are my only two choices, then no I wouldn't burn a first rd pick - even at #21 or 22 - on either of them. Cook is unstable and Wentz will need seasoning because he hasn't played top level (like Big 12 or SEC or PAC-12) competition. Elliott gives me immediate return on my 1st rd investment. Now if I can sneak back into the first at 29-31 I'd pick up the best QB left on the board. And I won't know who that is until after the Senior Bowl and the combine.
So the short answer to your question is no, drafting a QB in the first is not "out of the question" I just like Elliott better than the two options presented to me. Again, Elliott is closer to Arian Foster quality than either one of those guys are to Andrew Luck quality. And high quality is what I expect from my first round pick.
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Bit do you "take your shot" if the options are no better than Savage? None of the QB's we'll have a shot at look any better than savage to me. I would still take a flyer on a young qb that has upside just to keep adding young talent to the position but I'm not throwing away valuable picks
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Then what? Start a rookie next year? drafting one of these guys doesn't help us improve the next two years. None of these guys in the draft are going to come in and start right away and make us better right away. Not saying we shouldn't draft one of them. I totally agree that we should but we have to bring in a quality vet. That's where we may have to take the real gamble. We have to trade for a starter to lead us until the rookie is ready or we will be in the same boat as we are this year.
Do we want our rookie to go through what Carr went through? No! The answer to our problem isn't to just draft a qb in the first. It goes deeper than that. We need a complete overhaul of the position. It hsto start with bringing in a solid vet via trade imo.
All these qbs need seasoning. There is no Luck in this draft. Not one of these guys should come in and start right away. Not even the over rated Goff.
Cook was really unimpressive in the playoff game last week. I'd even argue that he dropped out of the first 2 rounds with that performance. He was inaccurate, couldn't handle pressure, and made bad decisions with the ball.
I think coaches and scouts put way too much emphasis on physical attributes. With QBs, it's 90% between the ears. If they are roughly the right size (6-3, 220 lbs +) and can throw it harder than Schaub then it's fine.
I think coaches and scouts put way too much emphasis on physical attributes. With QBs, it's 90% between the ears. If they are roughly the right size (6-3, 220 lbs +) and can throw it harder than Schaub then it's fine.
Number19
Hall of Fame
I'm curious, those of you wanting to draft a QB in the first round, do you start him next year? Behind our offensive line?
I hope I can follow through, but I'm going to try and not get so involved in this year's pre-draft hoop-la. If we draft a QB in the first, I'm OK with that. If we don't, I'm OK with that.
All I really want to see is this year's draft going toward upgrading our offense.
But what I'd like to see is an emphasis to upgrade the OL. This would improve the QB position and the RB position. So I'd ideally like #1 to be OT and #2 to be OG. In no particular order, #3 and #4 would be QB and TE.
I'd release Yates and Hoyer before the draft and go into camp with Savage, Weeden and the draft pick, with the plan that Savage would be our starter next year - unless Weeden can win the job.
With one of our 5's, I'd take an OC and with the other 5, I'd like to find a receiver with 4.3 speed and reasonably good hands. In the game yesterday, did you see the KC corners lining up only a yard, yard and a half, off our wide out. I'd like a receiver with enough speed that a CB wouldn't dare this without getting burned.
Our schedule next season is going to be rough. By season's end we make a decision to roll with Savage or to draft a QB #1 in 2017 - a #1 likely to be higher than this year's.
I hope I can follow through, but I'm going to try and not get so involved in this year's pre-draft hoop-la. If we draft a QB in the first, I'm OK with that. If we don't, I'm OK with that.
All I really want to see is this year's draft going toward upgrading our offense.
But what I'd like to see is an emphasis to upgrade the OL. This would improve the QB position and the RB position. So I'd ideally like #1 to be OT and #2 to be OG. In no particular order, #3 and #4 would be QB and TE.
I'd release Yates and Hoyer before the draft and go into camp with Savage, Weeden and the draft pick, with the plan that Savage would be our starter next year - unless Weeden can win the job.
With one of our 5's, I'd take an OC and with the other 5, I'd like to find a receiver with 4.3 speed and reasonably good hands. In the game yesterday, did you see the KC corners lining up only a yard, yard and a half, off our wide out. I'd like a receiver with enough speed that a CB wouldn't dare this without getting burned.
Our schedule next season is going to be rough. By season's end we make a decision to roll with Savage or to draft a QB #1 in 2017 - a #1 likely to be higher than this year's.
Such as? NO not gonna part with Brees. Who else is out there that you would trade for and a team would be willing to trade and are they gonna be any better than the rookie?
Number19
Hall of Fame
I was wring my post as you were posting your's. You and I seem to be on the same page. Glad I'm not the only one thinking this way.
That is EXACTLY why I wouldn't pick one of these QBs with my 1st rd pick
Elliott is the best RB in the draft and he would give a quicker/better "return" on my 1st round investment.
I'd love to trade for a Stafford or Ryan or damn near anyone else... but if we can't make a trade for a current starter, then I'll take my chances on a rookie. We can always bring back Weeden or even sign Bradford or bring back Fitz ... damn that hurt to type
TejasTom
All Pro
We already have these attributes in our current QB.
Wolf
100% Texan
Problem i see is Bob likes to run such a complicated offense..
how many years will it take for a rookie QB to grasp it? How.long for th WRs and TEs to get on the same page as the QB with this offense?? I am not against drafting a guy but for it.
I just wonder if our coaching staff has the know how to simply the offense and allow the team to play
(Sarcasm on this part)
how many years will it take for a rookie QB to grasp it? How.long for th WRs and TEs to get on the same page as the QB with this offense?? I am not against drafting a guy but for it.
I just wonder if our coaching staff has the know how to simply the offense and allow the team to play
(Sarcasm on this part)
texan279
Hall of Fame
I was just about to post the same thing. Almost any veteran QB we could sign in FA or trade for would be an instant starter here.
Depends on what you think of Coker/Wentz/Cook etc...
Any QB would be better than Hoyer was yesterday, rookie or otherwise.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I want a QB that is clutch. I don't care where he is drafted. I want one that has experience stepping up in big games for his team and is not visibly shaken by the moment like Hoyer was yesterday.
I don't think any of then can come in here and take this team and lead it to its fullest potential. Better than Hoyer? Hell I could lead this team better than that hack.
Look what Alex smith has done in KC. There has to be someone out there attainable that can at the very least give us that type of play while a young or rookie QB learns the pro game. I don't want another Carr disaster.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
McCarron didnt play well, he was missing throws all over the place.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
If smith was a top shelf qb and was gift wrapped 4 1st half to's and a kick return td, what do you think the score would've been in the 1st half? That game wouldve been over in the 1st half.
I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
You have to strip a qb down and ask, can he win when things around him aren't playing well? That's what happens in the playoffs. People bring up Alex Smith vs Giants and blame the muffed punt, but what about 1 for 11 on 3rd down? 3rd down, red zone are where qbs earn their keep.
I was going off of you saying that "any QB coming from the 2016 draft will be a project" and that you "don't believe that O'Brien will start a rookie" and you "want an immediate return on my round 1 pick". Didn't see where that left much wiggle room for a QB in the first unless he was a secondary pick there to another player (Elliott in this case).
As far as whether there's high quality to be had from any of these QB's I guess we'll just do the ol' agree to disagree thing.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
What I'm saying is if smith was a top shelf qb, that game wouldve been over at half time. You cant give any top 10 qb 4 to's and a kick return td and still be in the game at half time.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
What I'm saying is if smith was a top shelf qb, that game wouldve been over at half time. You cant give any top 10 qb 4 to's and a kick return td and still be in the game at half time.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I agree to a certain point, but I think some if what they're looking for can be found via free agency or trade.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Against anyone even arguably "elite" we woukd have been facing our third 40-burger in a half of the season.
I NEVER said he was a top shelf QB. I said we need to draft a good prospect and at the very least bring in a vet that can at the very least give us what Smith gives KC while our young qb learns the game.
Smith is a smart vet qb who doest cost you games with stupid turnovers. He doesn't make mental mistakes when u der pressure like Hoyer. If we would of had smith and they would of had hoyer we would of won that game.
Smith is a smart vet qb who doest cost you games with stupid turnovers. He doesn't make mental mistakes when u der pressure like Hoyer. If we would of had smith and they would of had hoyer we would of won that game.
Whose 8 ball are you using to read those tea leaves?
That's about right. We all know that learning the NFL QB position is a tough task so whoever we bring in would be a "project". How much of a project depends on how sharp and motivated the guy we draft is.
If I have two stud RBs (assumes a healthy Foster and Elliott) then the pain of bringing a young QB up to speed is significantly lessened. And if the opposing defense is worried about Foster/Elliott (or whoever) then that should give their safeties something to worry about besides doubling up Hopkins. Our play-action will be deadly!
I just see the Russell Wilson/Big Ben/Joe Flacco model for QB developing a young QB is a better path. By that I mean a solid-to-excellent defense that keeps us in every game and a strong running attack that is the core of our offense. That way the young QB isn't burdened with having to immediately carry the team.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
One thing they have to get is more speed on offense. None of the tight ends can run away from lbs and the rbs are more plodding also. Hopkins and Strong looks like it will be a good combo, but the te or the slot or both need upgrades. The free agent list looks good in terns of value for these holes. As I stated in another thread, I dont have a problem with a reclamation project as long as he has a high ceiling. Hoyer was undrafted and didnt have any special traits as a qb. If they think they can fix rg3,geno,manuel,foles,osweiler,or kaep, i dont have a problem. That doesnt mean they cant take a qb in the 2nd rd. After the kid from memphis,cal,ndst, I wouldnt select any of the others before rd 3.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Must be mine. The McNair/O'Brien Eight ball says, All Signs Point to Christian Hackenberg.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
Only signs pointing to Hackenberg are from media because of "connections".
If O'Brien is so high on his former PSU players how come has not drafted a single one yet? Allen Robinson would have been nice
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Kinda do. He will be far enough down to justify tge pick in the 1st rd,
Texian
Hall of Fame
Well for starters, those Penn St. players in the last two drafts are not really his players. To be more precise they were not players O'Brien recruited to play for Penn St.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
He didnt recruit them but he knows them. Better insight on them than any scout.
As Texans Chick says: "Because connectionz11!!!11"
Texian
Hall of Fame
You got the important part right, he didn't recruit them and this answers your original question, "If O'Brien is so high on his former PSU players how come has not drafted a single one yet?." Texans Chick has always pooh poohed the draft and have never brought much insight to it. She is one of the best at analyzing the past because she is objective and able to see through all the excuses. She trades in her rose colored glasses for a reality based pair. An excellent Monday Morning QB.
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Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I'd dangle future draft considerations for a move up scenario for QB if possible. Giving up JJ Watt to do so is ridiculous so the poll is somewhat infantile in its options.
This team was a quarterback away from being a contender the day OB took over. Now its a little farther away as they are devoid of talent at the offensive skill positions other than Hopkins
I said at the time we passed on Bortles , Bridgewater , Johnny Football & HWWNBM V2.0 that not getting our quarterback in that first years draft had set us back at least a season , maybe two. Then he turned around and did the same thing last draft and set the team back again .... as every year we pass on fixing the QB spot is another year that we not only wait for that solution but wait for that solution to develop.
Now we are at the point where the defense is there and the offense is light years behind , especially the QB spot.
I'm thinking that we have to get one of the top 3 QB's (Goff , Lynch , Wendt) and that the one we get has to start from the get go , with the defense again doing the heavy lifting .... while that QB gets some experience. Maybe they make the playoffs that first season , maybe they don't .... but we cant go another two years waiting while this team gets old around that young quarterback. He has to be ready to win in the playoffs in year TWO ....
This group doesn't have even one qb that could come in here and start. jmo. Goff, spread offense throws ints like hoyer when pressured. Wentz and Lynch are small school guys who will need a ton of coaching. Don't mind drafting any of them but no way in hell is O'Brian starting any of them imo. We will be trading for orpicking uo a fa qb unless (god forbid) we keep hoyer no matter who we draft and whoever that is will be the starter.