Said the same thing over a month ago. I agree. Better get ready to be called a UH alumni.
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What Mallett brings as a (full-time) Starter
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CretorFrigg
Fire Rick Smith
Mallet brings interceptions as a full-time starter
eriadoc
Texan-American
Well, I am a UH alumnus, but I've been pretty fair and balanced on the whole thing. I said the same thing for Mallett that I said for Keenum - I want to see what's there before I write it off. I think Keenum did some very good things in losses, and all anyone wants to talk about is the loss. I think Keenum did some crappy things in wins. All I've seen from Mallett is crap. I'm already over watching the rocket arm throw balls into the turf, I can tell you that. I'm also done watching him nail defensive players with the ball. At least Keenum threw TDs in between his 3-and-outs.
I'm not a UH alum, but I thought Keenum had a Flutie-esque level of talent. Keenum's ceiling has not been reached and I would say that he looked better than anyone we have on this team. I would rather we bring him back and try the rest of the season. I would at least watch the rest of the season that way. Throwing balls into the dirt 1/3 of the time just doesn't do it for me.
Hoyer is better than Keenum.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Oh yeah. Definitely.
Said it in the game day thread.
Would have kept him, but no way I'd bring him back at this point.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I know this will be an unpopular stance by many. But I believe it's a mistake to go back to Hoyer permanently and not let Mallet play out the season unless he's injured.
I haven't watched the game, but just from what I've seen & heard on the radio, I agree.
I may agree because if Mallett plays until he gets hurt we probably get number 1.1 and draft another defensive player.
we don't need no %*(^$$## QB.
Wait a minute our D didn't do much either today. But does a light go on in the Texans brain trust? Probably not so really doesn't make any difference. Any body wonder why we have crap for special teams and no backups? Must not be doing that well in the lottery or what other teams refer to as the draft.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I agree because we know Hoyer is not it. We know mallett isn't either, but it just seems more proper to fail with the younger guy c
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Virtually our entire team played like dog doo...........evidently lack of performance and/or preparation wasn't only a Mallet phenomenon. You're not going to sub the entire team. You're going to try to fix as much as you can before the next game............and much of that will be on changing the approach to the coaching preparation mindset.
I don't know what Savage brings to the table - he couldn't challenge Hoyer and Mallett this season. He is just another "diamond in the rough" discovered by the Texans. The problem is, once they are done polishing all they have left is dust - there is no diamond. How many times will the same mistake be repeated? Will they roll the dice with Savage next season or find a real solution to the quarterback problem?
Savage wasn't given the chance to challenge Mallett or Hoyer. OB had his mind made up that it was either Mallett or Hoyer. I think Savage has flashed some good potential and hoping the Texans don't finish with a bad enough record to be in a position to draft a highly rated QB without trading up to do so.
Well, if they rol
Well, if they roll with Savage in 2016 maybe they will finally fix the problem in 2017, so they have that going for them. There are reasons every team in the league passes on these guys round after round in the draft. And I don't think the reason is that all the other teams in the NFL aren't as smart as the Texans.
Well, if they roll with Savage in 2016 maybe they will finally fix the problem in 2017, so they have that going for them. There are reasons every team in the league passes on these guys round after round in the draft. And I don't think the reason is that all the other teams in the NFL aren't as smart as the Texans.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I pray that they don't give the starting job to Savage next year and pass up on drafting a QB in the first.
I completely agree. I posted in another thread that if OB and RS truly didn't see much difference between the QB's in the 2014 draft class, Savage deserves a shot. It's better than what we've seen, so far in 2015, from the QB position.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
How many teams are relying on a 4th Rd qb as the dude? The Texans faced smith 1st rd, newton 1st rd, Winston 1st rd, and Ryan 1st rd. 3 were #1 overran and the other went 3rd.
I see what you're getting at, but you have to "suck for Luck" AND have an elite QB in the draft for that to happen. BTW, Newton seems to be "getting it" this year, but has been very inconsistent and Winston has looked pretty bad in 2 of 4 games. He looked just OK in the Texans game. Flashed potential, but not much more. Be honest. Drafting an elite QB is a gamble. There are probably as many, if not more, QB busts that are highly drafted than there are elite QB's. I'd bet more.
Correct. It is a gamble i.e. there is risk. How is the Texans risk-free approach working out?
Even if a first round franchise quarterback is a 25% chance vs 75% bust, that is 25 times the odds of getting that franchise quarterback in the late rounds where it is probably more like 1 franchise for 99 busts.
These numbers are examples only; I don't remember the ones that the board came up with in a pre-season thread that was very well researched. I remember the curve being asymptotic to zero as the rounds progressed.
I'm quite sure it is. The lower the draft position, the shorter the leash. Everyone, coaches included, are too fixated on draft position. Kind of a "what did everyone else think of this guy" and a "HOLY ****, my job is on the line mentality. I'm sure the numbers wouldn't be so skewed if more HC's had the intestinal fortitude of Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick. Some lower round guys might've been quality starters, if not for draft position and the extended opportunity to excel afforded to highly drafted players.
So is it your opinion that O'Brien should show some fortitude and commit to Mallett the next couple of years to give him a chance to succeed? That would be interesting.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
The entire draft is a risk. We're talking about 22 yr olds. All I'm saying is that it's easy to say there are no elite qbs and bypass. So, how was the Carr grade vs Sio Filu? Or someone is going to tell me they couldn't draft another Carr from the the same family?
They couldn't draft another Carr from the same family.
You don't have to like that line of thinking, but it just is what it is. I really couldn't imagine the added pressure that kid would've been under to be QB1 here. That goes way beyond x's and o's.
I can empathize. Very few on this forum seem to be able to grasp reality. I wonder if it set in at least a little bit today.
Yeh you're a genius in your own mind.
Tolar's Ghost
Waterboy
Not even a remote possibility.
First, he's in a perfect spot: backup QB for a coach (Fisher) who believes in him. Keenum's lot in the league is most likely as a decent backup QB. And there's nothing wrong/bad about that.
Second, O'Brien's ego is such that he isn't going to bring him back for a third go-round.
But I would try to get RG3, even by trade (although his salary is nuts). Really. He has talent, as he showed in his rookie year. He just needs a change of scenery, and I think he would rebound here. The problem is that he doesn't fit O'Brien's "QB mold."
Of course, we see how that mold is workin' out for the coach and the team.
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amazing80
Hall of Fame
I think most of the realistic fans round here didn't have expectations, that is what we liked about Mallett. He was just a big fat question mark compared to Hoyer.
Tolar's Ghost
Waterboy
I'd give Mallett the start Thursday - at home, vs the division rival, in prime time - and see if he can redeem himself. I watched a fair amount of the Jags-Colts game today. The Colts didn't play very well. But, surprisingly, 40-year old Hasselbeck looked pretty sharp.
I have a hunch Mattlett will do fine.
I have a hunch Mattlett will do fine.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
That non sense. If he's the best player, which he's showing he is, what does his brother have to do with it. All nfl qbs are under extreme pressure. Mario was under more pressure than anyone ever associated with the texans, but he was the right choice.
Dont remember anyone clamoring that Mallet was a franchise qb. People just wanted to give him a chance. Hoyer has proven on the field that he isn't a good starting qb. Starting him was just going down the same road that we went down last year with Fitzpatrick. It's a waste of time. Mallet had unanswered questions and people wanted to see what he could do Givin the chance.
All this I told you so chest thumping that Mallet wasn't any good is a ******* joke. It just shows some here are attention whores and beer to get a life. Playing Mallet was the right move. Continuing playing him probably still is the right move. If he still isn't improving when savage comes back I would start savage. No way do o want to see that trash Hoyer trotted back out there. We aren't winning anything with him and we know all we need to know about his abilities.
I think you're underestimating what a difference it would have made. And I like Derek.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I'm like this
He could've sat last year and played this year. His strength (quick,short-medium passes) , mobility, fits right in with the so called qb whisper. They went in with a mindset of trenches and missed difference makers. Think about clowney,x,nix,fido,and savage have netted 0!
Uhh, ok. Those things haven't been secrets.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Never said was, but when you slant your ideas to fit the narrative, you will miss the talent.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I agree with you post, except for the part about "when Savage comes back." We know that he at least had a Grade II AC joint separation,, which in time (by next year) should allow him to return pretty much to pre-injury status. What we don't know is if he had associated shoulder labrum or rotator cuff damage requiring surgery, which may leave him with long-term performance questions.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Dont get touchy fellas. Mallett doesn't do it.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Well, a lot of us wanted to see what Mallett could do. We liked what we saw from the Cleveland game, and were able to dismiss the Bengal game because of his torn pec.
But now we see why Hoyer won the competition. Mallett's appears to actually be the guy from the Bengal game instead of the Brown game, and Hoyer's not much better.
I like O'Brien and I want him to be successful, but this is just garbage. This is 2-14 level garbage. Hopkins, DB, and JJ do not deserve to be on this team.
But now we see why Hoyer won the competition. Mallett's appears to actually be the guy from the Bengal game instead of the Brown game, and Hoyer's not much better.
I like O'Brien and I want him to be successful, but this is just garbage. This is 2-14 level garbage. Hopkins, DB, and JJ do not deserve to be on this team.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I like OB too but it concerns me that if he knew what Mallett was (speculation on my part) and if Hoyer isn't all that much better then why did he hitch his cart to both of them this year?
I'm worried that he can't tell **** from Shinola at this point.
