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Honoring Earl 34 said:
Game footage of Texans running game .

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I wish I could like this as much as I've been laughing...which is a lot!!! So appropriate! 30+ likes!

As a kid I had one of these, and even back then I was like, "This thing doesn't work!" Which is exactly what I say while watching the Texans run the ball: "This thing doesn't work!"
 
Aaron Wilson ‏@AaronWilson_NFL
Texans placed offensive lineman Jeff Adams on injured reserve today. He has a torn patellar tendon

Texans are at 52 players heading into Sunday's game after not making corresponding roster move addition when placing Jeff Adams on IR today​
 
Nitrofish said:
Maybe, but isn't there a time limit or something for when you can activate, or deactivate a player? I dunno.
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I don't believe that there is a time restriction prior to an upcoming game for your own PS player. The only time that I am aware of when a PS member can't be elevated to an active roster is when the upcoming opponent tries to sign the player off that opponent's PS to their active roster within 5 days of the game. This time lengthens to 9 games if it occurs on the bye week.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I don't believe that there is a time restriction prior to an upcoming game for your own PS player. The only time that I am aware of when a PS member can't be elevated to an active roster is when the upcoming opponent tries to sign the player off that opponent's PS to their active roster within 5 days of the game. This time lengthens to 9 games if it occurs on the bye week.
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It doesn't make any sense to promote a PS player if he's not going to be active. If you promote him, you're paying him more, and that goes against the cap. However, if they don't add someone to the 53, then it will turn out to be a dick move to put Adams on the IR, as it costs him a credited season, and it saves the Texans no money against the salary cap, nor does it save them any actual cash.
 
ChampionTexan said:
It doesn't make any sense to promote a PS player if he's not going to be active. If you promote him, you're paying him more, and that goes against the cap. However, if they don't add someone to the 53, then it will turn out to be a dick move to put Adams on the IR, as it costs him a credited season, and it saves the Texans no money against the salary cap, nor does it save them any actual cash.
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And so much for the "class" organization comments.
 
ChampionTexan said:
It doesn't make any sense to promote a PS player if he's not going to be active. If you promote him, you're paying him more, and that goes against the cap. However, if they don't add someone to the 53, then it will turn out to be a dick move to put Adams on the IR, as it costs him a credited season, and it saves the Texans no money against the salary cap, nor does it save them any actual cash.
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Adams being on active roster through Saturday means he got his 3 weeks of service, and has gained a credited season. He is an ERFA so this will bump up his salary another $50k in 2016. Good move by the Texans, figured they would do that. Adams has split salary designation, so there is a small amount of savings towards the cap. But the savings are overtaken by new player signing.
 
Troy Chapman said:
Adams being on active roster through Saturday means he got his 3 weeks of service, and has gained a credited season. He is an ERFA so this will bump up his salary another $50k in 2016. Good move by the Texans, figured they would do that. Adams has split salary designation, so there is a small amount of savings towards the cap. But the savings are overtaken by new player signing.
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Glad to see they didn't pull the rug on the big boy too soon. Thanks for the follow up.
 
Troy Chapman said:
Adams being on active roster through Saturday means he got his 3 weeks of service, and has gained a credited season. He is an ERFA so this will bump up his salary another $50k in 2016. Good move by the Texans, figured they would do that. Adams has split salary designation, so there is a small amount of savings towards the cap. But the savings are overtaken by new player signing.
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Didn't realize that, but glad that's the way it played out. Thanks for the info!
 
PDS @PatDStat
Connor Barth, Kai Forbath, Nick Novak and Chris Boswell the kickers coming to workout tomorrow.​

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26

Texans will also look at kicker Giorgio Tavecchio during their tryouts tomorrow.​



I'm expecting a new K... be surprised if all of these guys flop.
 
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Tavecchia has had multiple tryout for the past 2 years. The knock I've heard on him is that he's had a history of missing extra points.
 
Playoffs said:
PDS @PatDStat
Connor Barth, Kai Forbath, Nick Novak and Chris Boswell the kickers coming to workout tomorrow.​
Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26

Texans will also look at kicker Giorgio Tavecchio during their tryouts tomorrow.​


I'm expecting a new K... be surprised if all of these guys flop.
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Well they've all flopped before or they'd still be in the league.

Only one who hasn't been fired after being in the league is Boswell who never made the grade.

Let's shuffle the deck chairs on the Titanic.
 
Wouldn't it be something if Boswell got the job? He was the one that lost out to Bullock in the original so-called competition that left many feeling that the competition was only a facade.
 
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kiwitexansfan said:
Well they've all flopped before or they'd still be in the league.

Only one who hasn't been fired after being in the league is Boswell who never made the grade.

Let's shuffle the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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That's exactly what they have to do.

What they can't keep doing is trotting out a guy who misses every other kick it seems like.
 
Kai Forbath won the Lou Groza (best K) in college and was a two-time All-American. He hit 87% of his kicks in 3 years with the Redskins before they randomly jettisoned him week 1 this year for missing a 46-yarder. For reference, Bullock has hit 80% of his kicks during his career.

His career stats...

1st Year: 17/18
2nd Year: 18/22
3rd Year: 24/27
 
WolverineFan said:
Kai Forbath won the Lou Groza (best K) in college and was a two-time All-American. He hit 87% of his kicks in 3 years with the Redskins before they randomly jettisoned him week 1 this year for missing a 46-yarder. For reference, Bullock has hit 80% of his kicks during his career.

His career stats...

1st Year: 17/18
2nd Year: 18/22
3rd Year: 24/27
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Believe he got canned for his failures to kick off well....
 
WolverineFan said:
Kai Forbath won the Lou Groza (best K) in college and was a two-time All-American. He hit 87% of his kicks in 3 years with the Redskins before they randomly jettisoned him week 1 this year for missing a 46-yarder. For reference, Bullock has hit 80% of his kicks during his career.

His career stats...

1st Year: 17/18
2nd Year: 18/22
3rd Year: 24/27
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The only thing that makes me wonder about Forbath is that during his 3 years with Washington, he attempted a grand total of 4 kicks from 50 yards or beyond (making 2). That tells me either Washington wasn't stalling out on very many drives at that particular point on the football field, or they didn't trust him with long kicks. To put it in perspective, in each of his two full seasons with the Texans, Bullock has attempted 5 FG's of 50+ (10 total).

Another thing that bothers me about all of three of the guys who have spent any time on a NFL roster is that none of them appear to be able to kick-off deep.

Forbath's career touchback percentage is 27.27%. Novak's is 14.99%. and Barth's is 6.47% (in 170 career kickoffs, Barth has all of 11 touchbacks, and during most of his time with Tampa Bay, their punter handled the kickoff duties). Bullock's career percentage is 50.9, and while that puts him middle of the pack from an NFL standpoint, it's light years ahead of these three guys (Admittedly, I've got no clue on either Boswell, or Tavecchio), and while I've got no problem changing kickers, I don't particularly want it to be to someone who highlights our kick coverage shortcomings any more than they're already being highlighted.
 
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ChampionTexan said:
The only thing that makes me wonder about Forbath is that during his 3 years with Washington, he attempted a grand total of 4 kicks from 50 yards or beyond (making 2). That tells me either Washington wasn't stalling out on very many drives at that particular point on the football field, or they didn't trust him with long kicks. To put it in perspective, in each of his two full seasons with the Texans, Bullock has attempted 5 FG's of 50+ (10 total).

Another thing that bothers me about all of three of the guys who have spent any time on a NFL roster is that none of them appear to be able to kick-off deep.

Forbath's career touchback percentage is 27.27%. Novak's is 14.99%. and Barth's is 6.47% (in 170 career kickoffs, Barth has all of 11 touchbacks, and during most of his time with Tampa Bay, their punter handled the kickoff duties). Bullock's career percentage is 50.9, and while that puts him middle of the pack from an NFL standpoint, it's light years ahead of these three guys (Admittedly, I've got no clue on either Boswell, or Tavecchio), and while I've got no problem changing kickers, I don't particularly want it to be to someone who highlights our kick coverage shortcomings any more than they're already being highlighted.
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Bullock right now is a trade off. Only three kicks through three games have been returned, but he has missed 2 XPA. Life in the NFL is that kickers will miss FGA's, so I'm not killing him for only missing one FGA this season so far. I'm with you in that all of these kickers would give the Texans the chance to show how truly, truly bad they are on kick coverage. I think I'd rather turn my back on XPA's than give up big return plays. If I'm picking which turd I get to step in barefoot...
 
Boswell had an accurate cannon at Rice.........he was known for his 50+ yd FGs throughout his career. Watching him in the preseason warm ups, it was evident that he had no problems getting it out of the EZ, and some of his FG's from around the 50 had much more air to go. He also has the advantage of having the versatility to punt in emergencies. He punted 16 times at Rice, averaging 40.4 yards.

Here's a good review of what Boswell might bring us.

Chris Boswell #9 Rice Owls
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Boswell had an accurate cannon at Rice.........he was known for his 50+ yd FGs throughout his career. Watching him in the preseason warm ups, it was evident that he had no problems getting it out of the EZ, and some of his FG's from around the 50 had much more air to go. He also has the advantage of having the versatility to punt in emergencies. He punted 16 times at Rice, averaging 40.4 yards.

Here's a good review of what Boswell might bring us.

Chris Boswell #9 Rice Owls
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I hope whoever they choose can onside kick .

Has XSF beaten out Adams yet ?
 
sandman said:
Bullock right now is a trade off. Only three kicks through three games have been returned, but he has missed 2 XPA. Life in the NFL is that kickers will miss FGA's, so I'm not killing him for only missing one FGA this season so far. I'm with you in that all of these kickers would give the Texans the chance to show how truly, truly bad they are on kick coverage. I think I'd rather turn my back on XPA's than give up big return plays. If I'm picking which turd I get to step in barefoot...
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I'm leaning this way as well. Would rather go for two more often and take the touchbacks. The touchback % on the kickers being brought (minus Boswell) was just bad.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I hope whoever they choose can onside kick.
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As an FYI, Boswell had played soccer since the age of THREE!!!

Rice University placekicker uses a soccer "rabona" to execute an onside kick | SIDELINE
September 26, 2013
MLSsoccer staff
MLSsoccer.com

You rarely see players trying a “rabona” during soccer matches. And the last place you’d expect to see one is during an American football game.

But Rice senior kicker Chris Boswell, a soccer player since the age of three, used the signature fútbol move to pull off an onside kick that nearly helped the Owls beat rivals Houston in a college game played at Reliant Stadium last Saturday.

The rabona – where a player switches his plant leg at the last moment to kick a ball – is a move that Boswell learned early on in life from his dad, who grew up playing soccer in Brazil. But it was only three weeks ago during practice that Boswell thought of bringing it up to his Rice coaches as an option for use during games.

The moment came on Saturday. With Rice down 31-26 to the Cougars and only 2:19 to go, the Owls needed to execute an onside kick to have any hope of winning.

“It was kind of like, ‘What else can we do?’” Boswell told MLSsoccer.com. “We told him, ‘We have the behind-the-back kick, the diversion kick.’ And coach said, ‘Let’s go with it.”

Expecting Boswell's onside kick to come down the left, Houston overloaded that side of the field. But they weren't expecting a rabona out of the Keller, Texas, native, which sent the ball to the opposite side where Houston only had three players lined up.

The trick move worked. Rice recovered the kick.

“I felt so confident practicing it so much and every time it would go 10 yards,” Boswell said. “When we looked over and saw only three Houston players on that side of the hash, I had a pretty good feeling that it was going to work.
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“They definitely know it’s a soccer move but no one has ever seen it done on a football field with a football,” continued Boswell, who played for the Nissi Soccer Club in Fort Worth. “It caught a lot of our teammates by surprise. The entire sideline just went crazy.“

The rabona has been tried before on a football field, but it was before Boswell was even born. The Dallas Cowboys once had an Austrian kicker, Toni Fritsch, who pulled it off successfully during a famous 1972 NFL playoff win (read about it here).

But that distant memory probably won’t affect all the attention that has fallen on Boswell in recent days. Numerous sports blogs and sites have featured his kick even though Rice could not take advantage of the onside kick recovery and lost the game.

Knee surgery in high school and a football scholarship from Rice may have brought an end to Boswell's soccer career. But he can still thank the game for what will surely be one of the most memorable football moments of his career.

“All of this is crazy,” he said. “Just kicking a football and executing an onside kick. I didn’t think all this would come out of it.”
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This amazing onside kick immediately went viral!:

 
ChampionTexan said:
The only thing that makes me wonder about Forbath is that during his 3 years with Washington, he attempted a grand total of 4 kicks from 50 yards or beyond (making 2). That tells me either Washington wasn't stalling out on very many drives at that particular point on the football field, or they didn't trust him with long kicks. To put it in perspective, in each of his two full seasons with the Texans, Bullock has attempted 5 FG's of 50+ (10 total).
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Bullock has hit 68% of his kicks over 40 yards in his career (38 kicks). Forbath has hit 81% (31 kicks). Bullock attempting so many 50+ yarders says more about our coaching staff's than anything else. He's not reliable but we keep trotting him out there.


ChampionTexan said:
Another thing that bothers me about all of three of the guys who have spent any time on a NFL roster is that none of them appear to be able to kick-off deep.

Forbath's career touchback percentage is 27.27%. Novak's is 14.99%. and Barth's is 6.47% (in 170 career kickoffs, Barth has all of 11 touchbacks, and during most of his time with Tampa Bay, their punter handled the kickoff duties). Bullock's career percentage is 50.9, and while that puts him middle of the pack from an NFL standpoint, it's light years ahead of these three guys (Admittedly, I've got no clue on either Boswell, or Tavecchio), and while I've got no problem changing kickers, I don't particularly want it to be to someone who highlights our kick coverage shortcomings any more than they're already being highlighted.
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Good point. Our special teams are not trustworthy and Forbath definitely doesn't have the big leg to consistently nail touchbacks. That's his downside. Just have to decide if his precision FG kicking is an acceptable trade off.
 
WolverineFan said:
Bullock has hit 68% of his kicks over 40 yards in his career (38 kicks). Forbath has hit 81% (31 kicks). Bullock attempting so many 50+ yarders says more about our coaching staff's than anything else. He's not reliable but we keep trotting him out there.
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Actually, Bullock hit 11-13 for 85% from 40+ last year, including 4-5 from 50+. He is 5-6 this year and 2-3 at 40+.

His rookie year, Kubiak kept trotting him out there for 45+ yarders and he was 13-22. He was 2nd in the league for 40+ FGA's. He was a perfect 13-13 within 40 yards.

Actually, in looking at his stats, since the infamous Indy home loss in 2013, Bullock is 19-22 (86%) from 40+ over a 27 game period.

Not defending Bullock so much as saying his rookie numbers were just as much Kubiak's fault as his own. This sounds weird but I'm not worried about his ability OR his accuracy. He has the skillset. I'm worried that he is getting a case of the yips with the new XPA distance and his head is messed up. There's no fixing that.
 
sandman said:
Actually, Bullock hit 11-13 for 85% from 40+ last year, including 4-5 from 50+. He is 5-6 this year and 2-3 at 40+.

His rookie year, Kubiak kept trotting him out there for 45+ yarders and he was 13-22. He was 2nd in the league for 40+ FGA's. He was a perfect 13-13 within 40 yards.

Actually, in looking at his stats, since the infamous Indy home loss in 2013, Bullock is 19-22 (86%) from 40+ over a 27 game period.

Not defending Bullock so much as saying his rookie numbers were just as much Kubiak's fault as his own. This sounds weird but I'm not worried about his ability OR his accuracy. He has the skillset. I'm worried that he is getting a case of the yips with the new XPA distance and his head is messed up. There's no fixing that.
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That's what I think about him. I don't trust him and it's as much perception at this point as anything else. I'd have moved on. He's got Brad Lidge after Pujols disease. When the pressure is on you just know deep down inside that he's going to screw the pooch (whether he actually will or not is a different matter). Sometimes it's just time to move on from a player. Time for some different scenery and a new face. We've sent kickers packing for far less and who we had less reason to be unsure of but Randy sticks around.

I get the sense that the clock is ticking on him though. The things that make people like me not trust him aren't in the past now for O'Brien. they're in his "present" and it's different when it is happening to him. When I don't trust Randy Bullock it's no big deal. When Bill O'Brien decides he doesn't trust Randy Bullock it's pretty much over.
 
Hervoyel said:
That's what I think about him. I don't trust him and it's as much perception at this point as anything else. I'd have moved on. He's got Brad Lidge after Pujols disease. When the pressure is on you just know deep down inside that he's going to screw the pooch (whether he actually will or not is a different matter). Sometimes it's just time to move on from a player. Time for some different scenery and a new face. We've sent kickers packing for far less and who we had less reason to be unsure of but Randy sticks around.

I get the sense that the clock is ticking on him though. The things that make people like me not trust him aren't in the past now for O'Brien. they're in his "present" and it's different when it is happening to him. When I don't trust Randy Bullock it's no big deal. When Bill O'Brien decides he doesn't trust Randy Bullock it's pretty much over.
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Brad Lidge. Excellent comparison.
 
so what I read here is Bullock missed an extra point and loused up an onside kick and missed one FG this season and he needs to go? If every starter was held to this, the team would have to move up backups in every position. This MB is often funnier than Jeff Dunham and his puppets...I keel you!!
 
badboy said:
so what I read here is Bullock missed an extra point and loused up an onside kick and missed one FG this season and he needs to go? If every starter was held to this, the team would have to move up backups in every position. This MB is often funnier than Jeff Dunham and his puppets...I keel you!!
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Two extra points....(difference maker)
 
Seems like everyone is forgetting about PRACTICE. Bullock may be stinking it up where only O'Brien (and no media or fans) is there to appreciate it. His practice may be be worse that his game performances, or at least a preview of what has been happening, for O'brien to be making the try outs move.
 
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