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2nd round DJ Swearinger

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sandman said:
Because a rookie head coach may have wanted to see these types of things for himself? Seems a silly thing to lose respect over.
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OB: Dj, I want you to go out on the coverage team, hit anyone with the ball.
Dj: Nah, dude... Swagg don't play special teams.
OB: Uh... ok. Go ahead & take all the snaps you want on defense though... whatever makes you happy.

I don't have a problem if OB wanted to see it for himself. But if Dj was telling OB that he wasn't going to play special teams, then I'd expect OB to tell Dj he wasn't going to play.

sandman said:
And as far as facts go...

2013 snap counts:
Defense - 730
Special Teams - 193

Whether or not DJ wanted to play on ST the year before OB arrived, he most certainly did play.
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Which brings us back to if.

If Dj was telling him he wouldn't do it, & OB allowed him to still participate, then I've got an issue. If he's being released now, because Dj decided he was going to stop playing special teams, then I have new found respect for O'Brien.

My whole point is that I doubt this not wanting to play special teams thing is true, because I doubt OB would have let him play as much as he had... unless this is a new thing, with Dj deciding he no longer wants to play ST... I'm not buying it.
 
infantrycak said:
I'm just saying PFF is nice for small stats - one offs like drops. I don't trust their conclusions on big stats "who's better" for anything.
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I think a complete lack of any trade interest pretty much confirms that PFF was correct on this particular ranking. Nobody would even give up a 7th for a 2nd round starting safety? That says a lot.

CloakNNNdagger said:
For this release to happen outright and this early, whether we find out the exact details or not, he had to be strongly considered a locker room cancer.
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Learning that he thought he was too special to play special teams tells me all I need to know about a player. He's an asshat, and certainly not the nose-to-the-grindstone type of player that O'Brien wants on his team.

Then to find out he's an off-the-field idiot just tells you that his eventual self-implosion can be some other team's problem(s).

JB said:
I don't know why it doesn't really matter. Nothing ever will change SteelB's mind. Facts have no place in his little haterade world. He's right a lot of the time, but his constant spewing of Rick and the McNairs suck aren't worth prolong a conversation for.
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I have nothing personal against steelbtexan (or anyone else for that matter), but over time, you start to see some redundancy with some posters on certain topics. Your eyes glaze over and you reach a point where you don't even bother reading the content of their posts when those subjects come up *cough*Thornonreligion*cough*. For steelbtexan, that would be his thoughts on Rick Smith. Been there, done that, I read the first several draft copies.

ObsiWan said:
I'm pretty sure we're in agreement here. Swearinger's attitude toward being drafted to high to play special teams is in direct conflict with O'Brien's team-first/you do whatever the team needs you to do mantra.
He had to go.
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Screw him after reading his prima donna attitude. So freakin' arrogant. Like already mentioned, J.J. Watt - the NFL superstar - is out there on field goal teams, and this clown thinks he's too good to contribute??! That's just pathetic and makes me lose any respect that I had for him.

Brisco_County said:
What's amusing to me is that Hookem Horns is still stuck with this guy since he watches Tampa Bay games.
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General rule: don't pick on the owner. It was nice knowing ya', Brisco! :BananaWav
 
infantrycak said:
That's fine if we're talking on field performance but I don't see how a HC can let one much less multiple players defiantly walk out of a meeting and not do anything. It's a direct challenge to his authority and should be dealt with swiftly.
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According to the speech, O'Brien followed them into the hall immediately and read them all the riot act. So I'd say he dealt with it swiftly.

I just think Swearinger let the a$$-chewing go in one ear and out the other.
 
ObsiWan said:
According to the speech, O'Brien followed them into the hall immediately and read them all the riot act. So I'd say he dealt with it swiftly.

I just think Swearinger let the a$$-chewing go in one ear and out the other.
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...and then increased his playing time at S and essentially took him off ST with no discipline until a year later.

Guy was one of the worst in the league, sucks, fungible, easily replaced, not worth anything in trade...and couldn't have been benched?

And like I asked above, why would D.J. object to doing what he already was?

This has the smell of OB in the role of Brian Williams to me - an embellished story to make his point.
 
Double Barrel said:
I think a complete lack of any trade interest pretty much confirms that PFF was correct on this particular ranking. Nobody would even give up a 7th for a 2nd round starting safety? That says a lot.
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I think it says that the Texans SUCK at playing poker. They should have been able to bring something in trade, but once it became apparent the Texans no longer wanted him, as opposed to offering him up as a piece of value, teams decided to just wait until he was cut. DJS will find a home and continue to be a solid player. Wouldn't surprise me of he made a couple Pro Bowls in his career. He has warts on his game, like a lot of players, but he has more value than the Texans recognized. As for the attitude, it's on the coach to bring out the best in these players. I think BO'B is still in housecleaning mode, to some extent. He wants his guys. Cool, but he wasted value here, IMO. He could have gotten something.
 
sandman said:
OK, that makes sense. I guess I just read TK's post wrong. Made it sound like OB went into 2014 knowing there was an issue.



What is interesting is that DJ only had 29 snaps on special team in 2014. Sort of like he got what he wanted from OB, but in all fairness to OB, he increase his defensive snap count by 300 so maybe OB had to keep him off ST because they were thin at Safety this past season. I don't know.
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I've got no problem if OB decided that Dj shouldn't play special teams. My problem is if Dj decided he won't play special teams.
 
infantrycak said:
...and then increased his playing time at S and essentially took him off ST with no discipline until a year later.

Guy was one of the worst in the league, sucks, fungible, easily replaced, not worth anything in trade...and couldn't have been benched?

And like I asked above, why would D.J. object to doing what he already was?

This has the smell of OB in the role of Brian Williams to me - an embellished story to make his point.
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DJ was my guy.

If he didn't want to play special teams...Good Riddance...I thought he had a good role on the team, even though he wasn't great in coverage.

I don't know what happened, but you're right in that it just doesn't sound right.
 
What's funny to me is the Texans let a guy go that was pretty good at safety so they could bring in an old, slow, locker room cancer that missed tackles. Then they cut him. Then they drafted a 2nd rounder that turned out to be a young locker room cancer that missed tackles. And the reactions to the two locker room cancers seem to be very different.
 
eriadoc said:
What's funny to me is the Texans let a guy go that was pretty good at safety so they could bring in an old, slow, locker room cancer that missed tackles. Then they cut him. Then they drafted a 2nd rounder that turned out to be a young locker room cancer that missed tackles. And the reactions to the two locker room cancers seem to be very different.
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Who decided to let Quin walk and Why do you think the reactions are what they are?

I think it is ironic that many liked DJ in spite of his flaws and now that he's been released he sucks. What changed the fanbase's mindset?
 
steelbtexan said:
Who decided to let Quin walk and Why do you think the reactions are what they are?

I think it is ironic that many liked DJ in spite of his flaws and now that he's been released he sucks. What changed the fanbase's mindset?
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He's a young player who was a 2nd round pick. People want to believe he will come through on his potential because he's a young player that's a 2nd round pick on the Texans. When he gets released it's pretty obvious that he is not going to meet his potential on the Texans.
 
TheRealJoker said:
He's a young player who was a 2nd round pick. People want to believe he will come through on his potential because he's a young player that's a 2nd round pick on the Texans. When he gets released it's pretty obvious that he is not going to meet his potential on the Texans.
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This. I rooted for DJ for what he could become, not for what he was. Apparently the coaching staff felt that he had reached his level of incompetence.
 
Blake said:
Is it plausible that we will get more as a compensatory pick than we could have gotten in a trade? Why take a 7th from Tampa, if the NFL is going to give you a 5th?

Or am I understanding comp picks incorrectly?
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He was released. He did not become a FA after completing his initial contract. Therefore, there will be no COMP pick.
 
thunderkyss said:
Which brings us back to if.

If Dj was telling him he wouldn't do it, & OB allowed him to still participate, then I've got an issue. If he's being released now, because Dj decided he was going to stop playing special teams, then I have new found respect for O'Brien.

My whole point is that I doubt this not wanting to play special teams thing is true, because I doubt OB would have let him play as much as he had... unless this is a new thing, with Dj deciding he no longer wants to play ST... I'm not buying it.
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I'm with you.

It brings us back to "this story doesn't pass the smell test". He played a season of ST under Kubiak. He played several games worth under O'Brien. If he had a "sudden refusal", it was for a reason, it certainly wasn't any "I'm a 2nd round draft pick" bullshit suddenly surfacing in his 2nd year.

He's gone either way. The only thing to be gleaned from this has little to do with DJ and everything to do with the Texans coaching staff and F.O.
 
thunderkyss said:
OB: Dj, I want you to go out on the coverage team, hit anyone with the ball.
Dj: Nah, dude... Swagg don't play special teams.
OB: Uh... ok. Go ahead & take all the snaps you want on defense though... whatever makes you happy.

I don't have a problem if OB wanted to see it for himself. But if Dj was telling OB that he wasn't going to play special teams, then I'd expect OB to tell Dj he wasn't going to play.



Which brings us back to if.

If Dj was telling him he wouldn't do it, & OB allowed him to still participate, then I've got an issue. If he's being released now, because Dj decided he was going to stop playing special teams, then I have new found respect for O'Brien.

My whole point is that I doubt this not wanting to play special teams thing is true, because I doubt OB would have let him play as much as he had... unless this is a new thing, with Dj deciding he no longer wants to play ST... I'm not buying it.
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There's an old saying. "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face." This may be a situation where DJ's long term fate with Houston was sealed, but not immediately convenient for either OB or the Team.
 
Now he was a locker room cancer based on a rumor that "struggled to fit in with the Texans’ off-field culture"?
 
PapaL said:
Now he was a locker room cancer based on a rumor that "struggled to fit in with the Texans’ off-field culture"?
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Apparently the fanbase is buying this.

This has more to do with Clowney. IMHO But the Texans aren't going to say that in public. Nor should they.
 
I find it humorous how many try to justify anything for the "team" over the history of crap they've dealt us as fans. But I suppose all of us have put on rose colored glasses along the way to pacify our desire to abandon this rat infested ship. My optimism has left me, now the only way to bring me back into the fold is to win. Here's to O'Brien proving me wrong... :barman:
 
infantrycak said:
That's fine if we're talking on field performance but I don't see how a HC can let one much less multiple players defiantly walk out of a meeting and not do anything. It's a direct challenge to his authority and should be dealt with swiftly.

Something just doesn't add up with this story. Why would D.J. think he didn't have to play special teams after having had to play special teams? If he hadn't played ST under Kubiak it would make more sense for him to possibly object to a "new" assignment.
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Good points, both.

Agree that something doesn't add up.

I don't think that it was 100% the ST thing that got him axed. I think something went on behind the scenes that we don't know about. Maybe he was a bad presence in the locker room, and was making more waves than we know.

There's more to this story.
 
Not sure how Texan Teflon GM Rick Smith is not in some part accountable? He hires, fires & works with scouting department, medical doctors/staff to furnish O'Brian/coaches "clean bill of health" so they can pick best possible fits for system. Also find it odd, Texans can trade up (pay more) but have difficulty trading back (pay less) with other NFL teams (able to trade with former Texan Scouting Director now Jet GM). :forrest:
 
houstonspartan said:
Good points, both.

Agree that something doesn't add up.

I don't think that it was 100% the ST thing that got him axed. I think something went on behind the scenes that we don't know about. Maybe he was a bad presence in the locker room, and was making more waves than we know.

There's more to this story.
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He was also cheap, which means there absolutely was something or some combination of things that made them feel he was cancerous.
 
Swag to the Bucs. This should be good.

If Lovie tries to square peg him as a deep Cover 2 safety his stay in TB might be shorter than his stay in Houston. He's basically the younger version of Dashon Goldson, who busted spectacularly in TB because they had no idea how to utilize him.
 
WolverineFan said:
Swag to the Bucs. This should be good.

If Lovie tries to square peg him as a deep Cover 2 safety his stay in TB might be shorter than his stay in Houston. He's basically the younger version of Dashon Goldson, who busted spectacularly in TB because they had no idea how to utilize him.
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maybe if they play him at MLB, no way is he a cover 2 safety
 
It's amazing to me that Lovie Smith is so dead-set on running a particular style of defense and yet he is so completely oblivious to the type of personnel he needs to play the most important position in that defense.
 
Playoffs said:
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
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Just to clarify, TB got him as they had first right to sign him; either of the other teams mentioned could have reeled him in by offering Texans a pick or player. They were fishing without wanting to put bait on the hook.
 
badboy said:
Just to clarify, TB got him as they had first right to sign him; either of the other teams mentioned could have reeled him in by offering Texans a pick or player. They were fishing without wanting to put bait on the hook.
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But that wouldn't support the "Swearinger torpedoed the trade with an Instagram post" argument. :kitten:
 
houstonspartan said:
Good points, both.

Agree that something doesn't add up.

I don't think that it was 100% the ST thing that got him axed. I think something went on behind the scenes that we don't know about. Maybe he was a bad presence in the locker room, and was making more waves than we know.

There's more to this story.
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Agreed for this to happen now, it's obvious they wanted him out before OtAs. Something happened & they wanted him gone... or they think it's a matter of time before something happens.
 
thunderkyss said:
Agreed for this to happen now, it's obvious they wanted him out before OtAs. Something happened & they wanted him gone... or they think it's a matter of time before something happens.
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I think they just got tired of him being a player every time a head slap moment occurred.
 
Lance Zierlein @LanceZierlein
Here is what I saw from Swearinger in 2 yrs as Texan: Not a wrap up tackler instead preferred to go for big shoulder shots trying to blow ball carrier up.

Aggressive, downhill box safety potential. Gets caught peaking & subject to being burned w/ play-action game

Basically, Swearinger is what he was coming out of college - box safety only who hits more than tackles & has instinct issues in coverage

However, he does have a sweet “two-spoons” eating move he does after big tackles, even if they are 8 yards down the field. Yes. He swags.

If there were one pic that perfectly sums up D.J. Swearinger, I would say it is this one. Caused fumble & then swags
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http://t.co/W6SYuOTx8S

Glad you asked: RT @sandersandrew
@LanceZierlein is there one of his man being utterly open to make huge reception?
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http://t.co/vqezMkjw9y
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Playoffs said:
Lance Zierlein @LanceZierlein
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lol! Love LZ's analysis of things. He hit the nail on the head. I despised Dunta Robinson for his inability to wrap up tackles, and it annoyed me when Jungle Boi failed to do the same. Eff that ESPN highlight crap. Just play good football for the sake of the team instead of your individual highlight reel.
 
Since it is quite evident that Lovie, being a less than stupid coach, could not have picked Swearinger up to play in his cover 2, the only remaining logical explanation is that Lovie found him to possess great potential as a special teamer.:spy:
 
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This is the image that I always recall when I think of Swearinger as a player. Even though I thought he was a decent safety, this image defined him for me.

I remember when it happened and wondering why his attention immediately went to posing instead of attempting to remain involved in the play.

You're expected to at least make an effort to remain involved. You never know how you could be needed. That's some dropping-the-ball-in-front-of-the-endzone crap.
 
WolverineFan said:
It's amazing to me that Lovie Smith is so dead-set on running a particular style of defense and yet he is so completely oblivious to the type of personnel he needs to play the most important position in that defense.
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Well, if Lovie is looking for a safety that hits like John Lynch used to, Swearinger might fit that bill. If he's looking for someone as smart as John Lynch, he probably missed big time.
 
Exascor said:
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This was Kubiak's last game as the Texans coach.
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It was quite easy to read Kubiak's lips from that camera angle. He was yelling at him, "What the **** are you DOING?!"

That being Kubiak's last game as a Texan put Swearinger in my doghouse. I eventually eased up and waited for him to mature, but he's incapable.

I don't predict he'll continue as a problem player, I just think his stunted emotional growth will cap his professional growth.
 
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