badboy
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I think JJ should run a proposal past Whataburger.
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Louis Nix
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TheIronDuke
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http://np.reddit.com/r/Texans/comments/317rjx/my_insider_told_me_louis_nix_will_be_cut/
Just thought I'd share this.
Just thought I'd share this.
If true, last year's draft keeps getting better and better.
Hopefully the Texans have learned and will better evaluate players going forward.
badboy
Hall of Fame
As we know they have cut 3rd rounders before but I just don't see it as this time; no benefit. They expect Wilfork to start so no pressure there & I could see the Union filing grievance or even helping Nix sue NFL. He has every right to do what he is doing, smart or not. Cap savings is $243k with dead about double that so no advantage unless trying to make a point.
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Playoffs
Hall of Fame
That Matt Hammond guy been tweeting about this for a while now. I don't listen to him so don't know if he talks about it on 610AM.
I doubt any team cuts a guy without ever giving him a chance on the field to show something, unless he'll never play due to injury. I mean, how bad does it have to be to get a guy booted before even trying?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
In February at the Combine Tony Pauline of Draft Insider put it out there that the Texans were not happy with Nix and would be looking to draft a NT. And that was before Wilfork was picked up.
The problem with Nix is his attempts at "trying". His work ethic is in question. As master Yoda said, 'do or do not, there is no try'.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
If true, last year's draft keeps getting better and better.
Hopefully the Texans have learned and will better evaluate players going forward.
Personally, I don't mind the occasional gamble we take on players (ie. Montgomery & Nix). If they weren't risky or had red flags, then they wouldn't have fell to the 3rd round in the first place. Sometimes these players with "questionable" work ethic work out.
I hope this turns out to be false but I do get the sense the Texans are not really pleased with Nix. I go back to what BOB said at the NFL meetings a few weeks ago when he was asked what he wanted to see from Nix. BOB said he "wanted to see if he (Nix) could just make it through a practice!" Not exactly a ringing endorsement. I could see the Texans cutting Nix if he shows up for OTA's looking like a big pile of goo, but I would think they would give him that chance rather than cut him now.
Or Malcom Brown. He is very close to Shelton in talent. Could very well be BPA at 16. If he's still there!
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
When have these "questionable work ethic" guys worked out for the Texans?
Even if this is true (and I emphasize IF), I don't consider it that big a deal. Other than another wasted 3rd round pick. The Texans defense was fine without Nix in 2014. They'll be fine without Nix in 2015. No reason to overreact and spend a premium pick on a 2 down NT. They don't get drafted high, and they don't get big $$$ in free agency. Wilfork got decent money, but not big money. I'm sure the Texans can find a decent backup NT in the mid rounds, if not someone still out there in free agency.
Still, this hasn't happened yet. I'll believe it happens when it happens.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
Dunno what you consider being drafted high, but good ones who were first round picks include Poe, Raji, Wilfork, and Hampton. Now compare those guys to the rest of the leagues NT and where they were drafted and career status
4 over the course of 14 drafts? You've kinda made my point. Poe was a freak. There isn't a Poe in this draft. Raji has had mixed results, at best. Wilfork & Hampton were drafted at a time (10+ years ago) when NTs were on the field more. With the amount of passing in today's NFL, NTs are on the field a lot less.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Definitely - look at the market value. He's playing in his prime for one year deals $1.75 mil this year, last year for $1.4 mil. Meanwhile later drafted Orakpo just signed a $7.75 mil avg. contract, Jenkins $5.2 and Maclin $11 mil.
barrett
All Pro
He looks like one of the best players in the draft. The only reason I think he could still be available is because there is another highly valued DT as an option to 15 picks before Houston.
But my gosh, this Shelton kid looks explosive. And then I watched him at the combine and it was his demeanor that jumped out to me. He got it. He was having fun. You could tell that physically he had confidence. He wasn't nervous. He was enjoying the moment. He looks like a person who loves football and all of it.
He just seems like a 1000% package.
He's my guy.
So you think Brown is right there, or atleast very close to Shelton ?
Obviously I have no idea what Billy will do with his first-round pick, but I wouldn't be surprised if he really stuns us with his decision ?
He was very focused and very disciplined last year. I dunno, maybe too disciplined if he sacrifices flexibility and adaptability for his commitment to being disciplined ?
Looking back at last years Draft, I'm still surprised he didn't make a move on one of the higher-rted QBs like Bridgewater or Garrapalo ? Maybe he was too committed to patiently staying with his Board after seeing them both there so late in the first round ?
barrett
All Pro
I don't.
Shelton seemed to jump out to me as a playmaker and then his personality impressed me even further. It was how much he stood out, as compared to the other players in that position group, that impressed me. At no other position do I see a guy who stands out like this guy.
It's a hunch, he just strikes me as a guy who likes to play hard and likes to play well and has the body that allows him to do it and the mind that will motivate him to be great at it.
You look at those ingredients and he sounds like a guy who will fit in with guys like Watt and Wilfork just fine. Those are the kinds of football players I want to draft if I'm the General Manager of an NFL football team.
Are you saying the constant missing on 3rd round picks is no big deal?
It is the root cause of what plagues this team, NO DEPTH. Yes sure, the Texans defense was "fine" without Nix in 2014, and it will be "fine" without Nix in 2015; but you can't truly build a team by occasionally finding a super-duper-star (JJ) to carry a buncha JAGs.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
There are 20 players who should be gone before our 16th pick. But five of them have to still be there and Shelton and Brown ARE possibilities, and Brown is likely to still be there as I have Shelton immediately before our pick and Brown two picks after. But if they are not there, other better players will be.
because of injury.
20? Care to name them?
banned1976
sleeper mode
Very true. 2 or 3 drafts in a row in which you only get consistent production from your 1st and 2nd round picks, you wind up lacking depth all over the place by year 3 or 4. Of course last years early round picks (1-3) so far have contributed little and DJ Swearinger in the 2nd round in 2013 is a pretty suspect pick at this point as well. But at least I get the feeling he works hard and could improve from the effort.
Has anyone browsed Nix's twitter page? Someone mentioned it on another board so I checked it out, going back a year or so. All I've got to say is Krispy Cream ice cream sandwiches" is what appears to be Nix's motivation. Those and waffles. The man loves his waffles. Apparently doesn't think too much about working out because of the numerous tweets he's thrown out there none of them have to do with him working out or rehabbing. And close to nothing about the Texans on his twitter account. Not even after being drafted, except "chicken time."
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Orakpo has missed over a season and a half of games. Maclin has missed a full season as well.
Wilfork as best in the game got $7.6 in his prime. Maclin who isn't in the discussion for best WR gets $11.
In any event, the point was Raji is not a giod example of great results for a top pick being used on a NT. He had 1 pro bowl season during his 4 year healthy stretch.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
You wouldn't find any references to working out on my social media pages, but I do. And for that matter your find a lot of references to naughty food and drink.
What is the difference in Shelton and Brown from Poe as prospects? You are right that regular NT's are on the field a lot less in todays NFL. And only four in fourteen years shows how rare a special one is. That is why if you run a 3/4 defense and you have the opportunity to draft a special one you shouldn't pass him up.
Shelton has everything poe had coming out. He has proven he's a three down player. He played in a pass happy conference and still played on third down pretty much throughout every game.
banned1976
sleeper mode
That's kind of strange to me. I've been a gym rat since the 80's and I am constantly promoting new healthy products and exercises. And I'm not a professional athlete but I am friends with former professional bodybuilders and they too fill their twitter and FB pages with healthy living.
Anyway, I thought it was comical reading about pizza, ice cream Krispy Cream doughnuts sandwiches, fried chicken, cupcakes on a professional athletes twitter page while nothing, and I mean zero about working out, about motivation, about inspiration, about the city he works in, about the owner and the only team mate (former) he tweeted about was Andre Johnson. No thank you to the organization that drafted him. You don't find that odd? His apparent snubbing of JJ Watt and others who have reached out to him, allegedly?
It's not a big deal, and I'm not indicting him for his social media involvement, I just pointed it out because I think it's comical.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Poe was stronger/faster/more athletic across the board even though larger coming out.
Watching Shelton I thought one of NFL.com's comments was particularly true - Shelton has problems with good centers - to the point of getting manhandled one on one.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Shelton is nothing like poe. Poe went against not great competition, but they way he came off the ball and dominated and moved was nothing like Shelton.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
No problem:
1. Leonard Williams DT/DE
2. Dante Fowler OLB/DE
3. Brandon Scherff OT/OG
4. Jameis Winston QB
5. Marcus Marioto QB
6. Kevin White WR
7. La'el Collins OT/OG
8. Shane Ray DE/OLB
9. Vic Beasely OLB
10. Randy Gregory DE/OLB (May fall, but maybe not far)
11. Amari Cooper WR
12. Danny Shelton NT
13. Alvin (Bud) Dupree DE/OLB
14. DeVante Parker WR
15. Cameron Erving OT/OG
16. Landon Collins SS
17. Malcom Brown DT
18. Trae Waynes CB
19. Andrus Peat OT
20. Ereck Flowers OT
All these SHOULD be gone, but at least five will not be.
Our top twenty is very close. Dupree, Gregory and Peat are the only ones not in my top twenty. I have Peters and Clemmons and Humphries in my top twenty. I just can't see spending a top twenty pick on Gregory knowing he has a weed problem. Your only as good as you are available.
Really? which centers manhandled him one on one and in what games? I want to watch them.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Not doin' it. Seen the conversation too many times. I give a game. You demand a play list. We spend 10 pages arguing over whether someone's shoulder brushing him constitutes a double team or whether he has to be moved more than 2 yds to be manhandled and then we agree to disagree which we can short circuit and do right now.
Anyway, didn't say he sucked. Just a weakness, one I wasn't the only one to note.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Because the AFC South is full of "good" centers. Ami rite??!!
Cuz we only play the AFC South?
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
34. Marcus Peters CB
37. T J Clemmings OT
48. D J Humphries OT
I could get to your list pretty easily with T J and D J, though I'd probably take either P J Williams CB or Kevin Johnson CB before I'd take on the anti-social Marcus Peters CB.
From NFL.com
Weaknesses Suspended for one game in 2014 by head coach Chris Petersen for a sideline tantrum that followed personal foul penalty. Was ultimately dismissed from team over multiple run-ins with coaching staff. Inconsistent with footwork and loose with technique. Lacks patience in press and will open up early. Grabby off line of scrimmage and downfield when beaten. Average mirror-and-match and long speed. Overly emotional and prone to mental mistakes because of it. Slower than expected to squeeze routes in space. Doesn't take coaching.
Sources Tell Us "I wouldn't take him inside the first two rounds. He's good, but he's not that good that I would be willing to deal with his emotional issues." -- NFC personnel director
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
I'm curious to know how many centers you think are good
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Really?
Not heading down that rabbit hole.
But you're right - I don't know the quality of the centers I watched. I assumed they were good to handle your boy. Maybe they were shitty. Feel better now?
I'd feel better if you would just name the games and stop hiding behind shitty excuses.
Not gonna happen
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
True on Poe, imo. Opinions mixed on Shelton...
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Still, true effective 0-techs are few and far between.
I like Brown as much as Shelton.
Shelton reminds me of Dan Williams.
Brown reminds me of a young Wilfork. He's very athletic for his size and Wilfork would be a great mentor.
Shelton reminds me of Dan Williams.
Brown reminds me of a young Wilfork. He's very athletic for his size and Wilfork would be a great mentor.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Please forgive me for LOL.
Hopefully not, but the real question/consideration is can he be in there on passing downs and also make a contribution which most of the analysts seem to think yes he can be ?
I agree, his excuse is laughable.
I can easily find similar scouting negativ reports on Poe. They are very close in size. Anyone who brings up 40 times for NTs is just being silly.