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Indianapolis Colts @ Houston Texans. 10/9. 7:25. CBS/NFLN.**Official Gameday Thread**

TEXANRED said:
Jesus, I bet you loved Carr and Schaub too. Don't look at the stats, watch the game. Fitz sux. .

Welcome back to the Capers Era everyone.
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I've acknowledged that Fitz isn't very good, but he's our best option at the moment. You guys blame him for every little thing. Indy is up 24-0 in the 1st quarter with 230 passing yards....Fitzpatrick's fault. Onside kick recovered by Indy.....Fitz's fault for not keeping the offense on the field. Andre fumbles in Indy territory down one score....Fitz's fault.

The only thing he did wrong today was the fumble. Was it a huge play in the game? Absolutely. Was he the main culprit for this loss? No. He's a part of it, but he's not the main problem.
 
WolverineFan said:
I've acknowledged that Fitz isn't very good, but he's our best option at the moment. You guys blame him for every little thing. Indy is up 24-0 in the 1st quarter with 230 passing yards....Fitzpatrick's fault. Onside kick recovered by Indy.....Fitz's fault for not keeping the offense on the field. Andre fumbles in Indy territory down one score....Fitz's fault.

The only thing he did wrong today was the fumble. Was it a huge play in the game? Absolutely. Was he the main culprit for this loss? No. He's a part of it, but he's not the main problem.
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So all this Franchise needs is a QB who doesn't lose us games, we don't need one who wins us games. One who puts the team on his shoulders or anything like that.

Got it :kitten:
 
EllisUnit said:
I don't hate Fitz, you can look at many threads where i say i like his heart. I don't care about a 109.3 QBR and a 65% completion rating on some dink and dunks + a few bad throws that AJ turned into catches.

Is it to much to ask that we have a QB who can actually help us win some games, and not just have some decent stats for 1 out of the last 3 games.
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Dude I'm right there with you but it's so annoying to see people bash the guy for every little thing (even things that aren't his fault). We will get to see Mallett eventually. I for one don't think he'll be any better but we'll find out.

We never should have passed up Bridgewater.
 
EllisUnit said:
We went 3 and out 3 times in the first, Fits was 0-7, we totaled 9 whooping plays...Do the math
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You shoud prove that he had open guys that he missed. If not, stop blaming him !!!! If the WRs can't get open, it's very tough to get completions.

Luck had wide open WRs on every play in the 1st quarter.
 
EllisUnit said:
We went 3 and out 3 times in the first, Fits was 0-7, we totaled 9 whooping plays...Do the math
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yeah and that equates to 0-24? who should be doing the math? there are a lot of things going including a non existing running game in the 1st.

we're built around the run. I'm not defending Fitz, and I'm leaning to Mallet, but let's be real here.
 
AJ gets the benefit of my doubt. Besides, if it weren't the Colts we were playing the refs would have gotten it right and called incomplete pass.

Fitz gets no such benefit of my doubt. He sucks. He sucked before, he sucks now, and he'll wake up tomorrow with a full blown case of the sucks.

Looking at #'s rarely tells the story.
 
Hervoyel said:
Exactly. You can't stop the bleeding or cool down their offense if your offense can't hold on to the ball for more than three plays at a time. The offense just let a struggling Texans defense hang in the first quarter. One solid drive, even if it only produced 3 points but kept the ball for 2-3 minutes would have done wonders then.
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Yep, they never even had a chance to catch their breath, calm down, and rethink things. Once they actually did, they actually looked like a somewhat competent defense that belonged on the field and made enough stops and plays to help get the team out.

Hard for any defense to play an entire quarter like that.

He wasn't the only problem, I think BOB needs to come to the conclusion that we need to be running the ball A LOT more if we continue playing Fitz.

Honestly, I want to see Mallet because I'm curious but I doubt it matters. Clowney will have the biggest impact on this team IMO. The defense is pretty good and I think he has the ability to put it over the top along with Watt.

Only way we win this division is if the Colts lose it pretty much, but if this team can find a good QB for next year and solve the hole in the Oline then maybe we can hope for bigger things.
 
EllisUnit said:
So all this Franchise needs is a QB who doesn't lose us games, we don't need one who wins us games. One who puts the team on his shoulders or anything like that.

Got it :kitten:
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We don't have that guy! How many times to I have to say it? I would love to have ditch this "don't lose the game bro" QB crap and bring in a young stud who you can toss out there and he'll win it. We don't have him. He's not on the roster. It's ridiculous to take that out on Fitz. Take it out on Rick Smith.
 
WolverineFan said:
Dude I'm right there with you but it's so annoying to see people bash the guy for every little thing (even things that aren't his fault). We will get to see Mallett eventually. I for one don't think he'll be any better but we'll find out.

We never should have passed up Bridgewater.
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But that's the thing. We know what Fitz is capable of. In his career, he has never made the playoffs. Never. Yet for some reason we think he's going to help this team get there. Watt and Foster can not do it on their own as we've seen for 2 straight games.

Mallett may not be the answer, but we will never find out if we don't start him or Savage.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I expect referee shenanigans, because every Colts/Texans game has horrendous officiating.

Wish we built on the lead when we could have, but alas, here we are.

C'mon boys.
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QFT, the NFL is the same as the WWE. This game confirmed that for me. I guess the past decade of one sided officiating wasn't enough, but, what'evs.
 
Mr teX said:
Yeah b/c fitz has to throw the ball AND catch it..
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So as off target as he has been all season, suddenly the sure handed Hopkins and AJ are the reason he has such a sucky first half ? If not for a few circus catches on bad throws by AJ, Fitz would have done next to nothing all game.
 
dalemurphy said:
Exactly.

With momentum, 4 minutes, and the ball at midfield, Fitzpatrick made a good read and throw on 2nd and 20, hitting AJ in stride and in space for a big play. With nobody within 3 yards of him, AJ fumbles the ball... just drops it on the ground.

Instead of criticizing our $17 million/year WR for fumbling in a key moment without being touched, "fans" whine about Fitz "choking" because he fumbled when hit by a 300 lb guy, while he was trying to make a play since they had to go 91 yards in 2:14 with no timeouts due to AJ's inexplicable fumble a few minutes earlier.

Yeah, lets blame the game on Fitzpatrick. That makes a lot of sense!
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You can even type that with a straight face? Pathetic.

And next up in revisionist history, Fitz was throwing perfect 60 yd spirals all night long and all the uncovered WRs were just watching them hit the ground.
 
EllisUnit said:
So as off target as he has been all season, suddenly the sure handed Hopkins and AJ are the reason he has such a sucky first half ? If not for a few circus catches on bad throws by AJ, Fitz would have done next to nothing all game.
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Bingo. Can we get one in stride well placed ball? Even just a 15 yd out casual over the shoulder catch. Not a chance. Stop, start, spin, jump, do the hokey pokey - hey look, Fitz is actually a good QB because AJ/Hopkins made a circus catch.
 
WolverineFan said:
We don't have that guy! How many times to I have to say it? I would love to have ditch this "don't lose the game bro" QB crap and bring in a young stud who you can toss out there and he'll win it. We don't have him. He's not on the roster. It's ridiculous to take that out on Fitz. Take it out on Rick Smith.
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How do you know we don't have that guy ? I know we don't have that guy in Fitz, but i wouldn't call an acorn (savage, mallett) rotten before you crack it open.

Odds are neither of them are the guy, but i do want to find out for sure.
 
Yaky said:
You shoud prove that he had open guys that he missed. If not, stop blaming him !!!! If the WRs can't get open, it's very tough to get completions.

Luck had wide open WRs on every play in the 1st quarter.
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Andre Johnson and Hopkins can't get open? They get open for the rest of the game.
 
santo said:
But that's the thing. We know what Fitz is capable of. In his career, he has never made the playoffs. Never. Yet for some reason we think he's going to help this team get there. Watt and Foster can not do it on their own as we've seen for 2 straight games.

Mallett may not be the answer, but we will never find out if we don't start him or Savage.
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Mallett is going to get his chance eventually. It will happen. But you guys are so desperately curious to see what he's all about that you throw Fitz under the bus for any reason to get there.

Savage is not ready. Not close. Throwing him out there before he's ready proves nothing. All it does is hinder his development. He needs at least a full redshirt year. Maybe more.
 
Showtime100 said:
AJ gets the benefit of my doubt. Besides, if it weren't the Colts we were playing the refs would have gotten it right and called incomplete pass.

Fitz gets no such benefit of my doubt. He sucks. He sucked before, he sucks now, and he'll wake up tomorrow with a full blown case of the sucks.

Looking at #'s rarely tells the story.
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Except for the fact that u guys use his bad numbers against him all the time to make your case..." He's thrown this many interceptions every year he's been in the league"...."he's this for this on 3rd down conversions"...tonight his overall numbers favor him....dude made 1 mistake tonite and the whole game falls on him..not 1 damn mention of AJ's critical fumble...not 1 mention of fat randy's blown FG..its all on fitz b/c he couldn't engineer the 2 minute drill. Nobody in this league plays perfectly....take in the game as a whole and stop looking for the quick fixes.
 
Mr teX said:
Except for the fact that u guys use his bad numbers against him all the time to make your case..." He's thrown this many interceptions every year he's been in the league"...."he's this for this on 3rd down conversions"...tonight his overall numbers favor him....dude made 1 mistake tonite and the whole game falls on him..not 1 damn mention of AJ's critical fumble...not 1 mention of fat randy's blown FG..its all on fitz b/c he couldn't engineer the 2 minute drill. Nobody in this league plays perfectly....take in the game as a whole and stop looking for the quick fixes.
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I have his entire career with 4 other teams to make my case. That's not enough ?
 
dream_team said:
The Colts couldn't stop Arian.
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I'll give you that but something seems wrong when the QB throws for 212 yards on 15/23 trailing 24-0. Maybe the only thing wrong is the play-calling but trailing by more than 3 TD's in the first quarter you have to be able to complete more than fifteen passes on the night.
 
WolverineFan said:
We don't have that guy! How many times to I have to say it? I would love to have ditch this "don't lose the game bro" QB crap and bring in a young stud who you can toss out there and he'll win it. We don't have him. He's not on the roster. It's ridiculous to take that out on Fitz. Take it out on Rick Smith.
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You have no idea whether that's true or not. None whatsoever.
 
EllisUnit said:
How do you know we don't have that guy ? I know we don't have that guy in Fitz, but i wouldn't call an acorn (savage, mallett) rotten before you crack it open.

Odds are neither of them are the guy, but i do want to find out for sure.
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I scout football players for a living. Savage is not ready. That may be an opinion, but I believe it to the core. He needs a year to acclimate to the NFL. It's my own personal opinion that Mallett is nothing special. Do I know for sure? No, but again it's my opinion.

I'm totally for him getting his shot, but like I said, I don't believe we have "the guy" on our roster so I take no issue with O'Brien trotting out the veteran every week.

Like I said earlier, we really screwed up by not trading up for Bridgewater.
 
I'll be the first guy to say that Fitz just sucks. Because I really want to see Mallet too. But to blame this game on Fitz alone is not understanding the game.
 
JCTexan said:
I'll give you that but something seems wrong when the QB throws for 212 yards on 15/23 trailing 24-0. Maybe the only thing wrong is the play-calling but trailing by more than 3 TD's in the first quarter you have to be able to complete more than fifteen passes on the night.
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You didn't hear Fitz is so good that's all he needs to "Bring us all the way back from 24 points down" It wasn't Fosters big gains and 2 Tds, or Watts fumble recovery for a TD. We made it close because of Fitz with them 15 completions for 200 yards and a (65% completion).

Figured you knew that :kitten:
 
Mr teX said:
Which pretty much are stats too..didnt you guys learn anything from last year with the whole Schaub/Keenum crap?
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I consider his W-L stat the biggest factor. The entire game of football is Stats, the only one that matters at the end of the day is Wins and Losses.
 
EllisUnit said:
You didn't hear Fitz is so good that's all he needs to "Bring us all the way back from 24 points down" It wasn't Fosters big gains and 2 Tds, or Watts fumble recovery for a TD. We made it close because of Fitz with them 15 completions for 200 yards and a (65% completion).

Figured you knew that :kitten:
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Ellis... no one is saying that. People are just saying there's alot of blame to go around, not just Fitz.
 
Showtime100 said:
AJ gets the benefit of my doubt. Besides, if it weren't the Colts we were playing the refs would have gotten it right and called incomplete pass.

Fitz gets no such benefit of my doubt. He sucks. He sucked before, he sucks now, and he'll wake up tomorrow with a full blown case of the sucks.

Looking at #'s rarely tells the story.
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Don't whine about Fitzgerald not being Peyton Manning. The team does not expect him to be, and he is not paid to be. He was brought in, paid 2% of the team's salary cap, to smooth the team's transition into a complex offense and be the bridge to the future QB. Teams have won, and do win, without top tier QBs as starters. They don't do it by hoping their game manager magically becomes Drew Brees. They do it by executing in other areas of the game.

This team can't win if the LBs and secondary tackle as poorly as they did tonight... and blow so many assignments in coverage. Also, for this team to count 3-4 score comebacks (like it attempted tonight), the WR that consumes almost 15% of the team's salary cap can't fumble the ball, untouched, across midfield, with 4 minutes left in the game, after the team has clawed back 19 of the 24 point deficit.

I don't know what the "benefit of the doubt" has to do with the facts. There is nothing to doubt. AJ blew it. There is no doubt about it. He dropped the ball, killed the momentum and a promising drive that could have won the game.
 
EllisUnit said:
I consider his W-L stat the biggest factor. The entire game of football is Stats, the only one that matters at the end of the day is Wins and Losses.
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Fitz then is .500 2nd place in our division. it could be last year.

yep we all want to see the trophy in Houston but let's get real here.
 
dream_team said:
Ellis... no one is saying that. People are just saying there's alot of blame to go around, not just Fitz.
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My whole point is that although Fitz did not have a horrible game he did very little to help us win is all i'm saying. Sure there is blame, the AJ fumble was not a fumble, the AJ PI was not PI, the Bouye PI was not PI. Refs made a lot of bad calls this game.
 
fiasco west said:
Andre Johnson and Hopkins can't get open? They get open for the rest of the game.
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LOL what Hopkins was getting open? When? Many of his catches are circus contested catches precisely because he can't get separation.

Andre Johnson had a critical fumble, near the redzone, in clutch time. He also pushed off the play before because he couldn't get separation. Blame Fitz for all that LOL
 
Hervoyel said:
You have no idea whether that's true or not. None whatsoever.
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Obviously you have no idea, how many years has Rick Smith had (8) plus don't forget he handpicked Schaub not Kubiak! writing is on the wall, its been on the wall now its time to take him down :clown:
 
EllisUnit said:
I consider his W-L stat the biggest factor. The entire game of football is Stats, the only one that matters at the end of the day is Wins and Losses.
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And those are accumulated as a team..not as an individual player, despite how the media likes to frame it as a qb stat. The day we get a real franchise qb on this team and we dont make it much farther in the playoffs than we did with schaub, you guys will realize that.
 
Yaky said:
LOL what Hopkins was getting open? When? Many of his catches are circus contested catches precisely because he can't get separation.

Andre Johnson had a critical fumble, near the redzone, in clutch time. He also pushed off the play before because he couldn't get separation. Blame Fitz for all that LOL
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First off that was clearly not a fumble, 2nd it was not a push off, 3rd it was not in the red zone it was the 43.

You should at least watch the games before debating them.
 
EllisUnit said:
My whole point is that although Fitz did not have a horrible game he did very little to help us win is all i'm saying. Sure there is blame, the AJ fumble was not a fumble, the AJ PI was not PI, the Bouye PI was not PI. Refs made a lot of bad calls this game.
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And the onside kick... and the missed field goal... and the blown coverages... and the poor tackling... see, lots of blame to go around. Isn't this more fun?
 
Yaky said:
LOL what Hopkins was getting open? When? Many of his catches are circus contested catches precisely because he can't get separation.

Andre Johnson had a critical fumble, near the redzone, in clutch time. He also pushed off the play before because he couldn't get separation. Blame Fitz for all that LOL
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Do you have proof that they weren't?

I like how it is acceptable that a QB can have 25 yard 1st halfs and a 7 yard 1st quarter and that's just fine. Lets downplay it by shifting blame to our better players.

That 1st quarter was horrible and he was a big reason for that. The least he could have done was create a 3-4 minute drive to give the defense a rest.
 
beerlover said:
compare which careers?
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you can't just look at 6 games and say we should have drafted this person or that person.

in the end, savage may have a better career than say bridgewater. nobody knows who's better at this point because their careers have not been developed.

look at reeves. everyone was saying how he was better than Mario when he took over the first year.
 
Mr teX said:
And those are accumulated as a team..not as an individual player, despite how the media likes to frame it as a qb stat. The day we get a real franchise qb on this team and we dont make it much farther in the playoffs than we did with schaub, you guys will realize that.
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Give us Peyton Manning with all the talent we had in 2011-2012 and we win a SB. Don't really get your point, and a Franchise QB you build a team around, we have had a team good team with no Franchise QB to build around.
 
dream_team said:
And the onside kick... and the missed field goal... and the blown coverages... and the poor tackling... see, lots of blame to go around. Isn't this more fun?
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But see, a lot of us aren't saying that no one else is to blame.

We are saying that Fitz isn't very good...irrelevant to all that stuff.

I mean I'd like to see teams pay for blitzing us every now and then.
 
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