EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Only way to do that is to unseat Brady as the starter, and not even GOD himself could do that.
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Ryan Mallett traded to Texans
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Only way to do that is to unseat Brady as the starter, and not even GOD himself could do that.
That's the thing.
Lucky & I have already assumed Fitzy has been throwing INTs left and right. He's screwed the pooch to the point O'Brien has to yank him.
So now O'Brien has to bring in the next man up.
Who will that be, Mallett or Savage?
Does alleged familiarity with the system trump limited familiarity with your teammates?
We're probably screwed either way sooo...
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
That's the thing.
Lucky & I have already assumed Fitzy has been throwing INTs left and right. He's screwed the pooch to the point O'Brien has to yank him.
So now O'Brien has to bring in the next man up.
Who will that be, Mallett or Savage?
Does alleged familiarity with the system trump limited familiarity with your teammates?
We're probably screwed either way sooo...
I cant wait until we get an O'brien face palm, i'm sure we'll get it sooner than later with Fitz as the QB
Hottoddie
Veteran
i would kill to be called pure and wholesome just one time in my life,
EllisUnit,
You are pure & wholesome. Okay now, I've got something I need you to take care of for me.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
EllisUnit,
You are pure & wholesome. Okay now, I've got something I need you to take care of for me.
Anything for a fellow Texans fan, Well almost anything, ok maybe a few things.......
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Have you actually looked around?
To be fair, unless Trap Star's online, I don't believe we're actually contagious.
Is on the radio and he seems a little butt hurt over this deal. He was all up on Case's privates. I figured as much. Of course he mentioned Case to the Ravens as I had thought he would.
Give him a chocolate chip cookie and tell him to stfu.
srrono
All Pro
http://www.patriots.com/news/articl...-Houston/d0d836cd-d110-4439-9ddb-a2e19ecfc689
Watch the second video. Mike Mayock talks about Mallet as a starter.
Watch the second video. Mike Mayock talks about Mallet as a starter.
The coaches have an idea of what he might be. They should negotiate a contract with that in mind.
If he sucks as it stands, we're out a 7th round draft pick for 2016. If he proves to be a starter, then we're going to have to overpay for him (think Andy Dalton) to retain his services.
I'd like something in between, someone who can play up to Dalton's level for ~$8M/yr or less.
House of Pain
Wild Speculator
Here are two things that tell me this was a good move:
1.) Mallett automatically gives OB another option at QB and has improved the whole QB group. I wanted Case to succeed here, but it's pretty obvious this offensive scheme does not suit him at all. We know Fitz in a best case scenario is going to an average QB. I'm sure if we put OB on truth serum, he would probably say that all of our QBs stink or aren't ready for primetime. OB is trying his best, without gambling too much by mortgaging his future, to "get better than we were yesterday." I think he did that. And still leaves the door open to draft a QB if all the QBs are ultimately unsuccessful. For all you crybabies that have whined in excruciating fashion about the QB position, despite not realizing that good QBs don't fall out of the sky into your lap, THEY DID SOMETHING and they gave up next to nothing in the process. Are you happy? Probably not because you are the part of the fan base that enjoys the negative aspects of following a team more than being rational about the situation and realizing that if you can't fix the QB position right away, you should improve every other position you can.
2.) Mallett doesn't have to be Joe Montana to be successful here. I'm sure it would be a huge help if we had one of the "elite" QBs that can put his team on his back and lead them to victory. Most teams do not have that luxury, Texans included. Mallett just needs to play smart, move the chains (and occasionally take the top off the defense), and not turn the ball over. I believe our defense will be much improved this year, and our ST are light years ahead of where they have been for several years. Outside of Brady, Gronk (when healthy), RT and maybe another spot on the OL, the Texans have superior talent at all the other positions of the Pats. We have more big play guys than they do, so Mallett doesn't have to be as good as Tom Brady is, he just needs to be Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer or Russell Wilson. This may be the reason that BB traded him because he knew he needs a better QB because the Pats do not have outstanding talent, and the QB has to be 'the man' to make them win.
This is a win-win-win situation. Possible scenarios:
A.) Fitz plays better than he ever has before and we have a QB that is adequate for this year, Mallett is a backup who is comfortable in the offensive and gives Savage time to develop;
B.) Fitz sucks it up and Mallett does a good job and the Texans have our QB for the foreseeable future that can throw the deep ball to our star receivers; or
C.) Fitz blows, Mallett is hot garbage, the Texans take a look at Savage later in the year when we're already out of the playoff hunt and he's either good or not and plan accordingly.
If Savage is good, we don't need to find/draft another QB, and if he's not, the Texans are one of the worst teams in the league and will spend our first pick on a QB in the draft. That sounds like a plan.
1.) Mallett automatically gives OB another option at QB and has improved the whole QB group. I wanted Case to succeed here, but it's pretty obvious this offensive scheme does not suit him at all. We know Fitz in a best case scenario is going to an average QB. I'm sure if we put OB on truth serum, he would probably say that all of our QBs stink or aren't ready for primetime. OB is trying his best, without gambling too much by mortgaging his future, to "get better than we were yesterday." I think he did that. And still leaves the door open to draft a QB if all the QBs are ultimately unsuccessful. For all you crybabies that have whined in excruciating fashion about the QB position, despite not realizing that good QBs don't fall out of the sky into your lap, THEY DID SOMETHING and they gave up next to nothing in the process. Are you happy? Probably not because you are the part of the fan base that enjoys the negative aspects of following a team more than being rational about the situation and realizing that if you can't fix the QB position right away, you should improve every other position you can.
2.) Mallett doesn't have to be Joe Montana to be successful here. I'm sure it would be a huge help if we had one of the "elite" QBs that can put his team on his back and lead them to victory. Most teams do not have that luxury, Texans included. Mallett just needs to play smart, move the chains (and occasionally take the top off the defense), and not turn the ball over. I believe our defense will be much improved this year, and our ST are light years ahead of where they have been for several years. Outside of Brady, Gronk (when healthy), RT and maybe another spot on the OL, the Texans have superior talent at all the other positions of the Pats. We have more big play guys than they do, so Mallett doesn't have to be as good as Tom Brady is, he just needs to be Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer or Russell Wilson. This may be the reason that BB traded him because he knew he needs a better QB because the Pats do not have outstanding talent, and the QB has to be 'the man' to make them win.
This is a win-win-win situation. Possible scenarios:
A.) Fitz plays better than he ever has before and we have a QB that is adequate for this year, Mallett is a backup who is comfortable in the offensive and gives Savage time to develop;
B.) Fitz sucks it up and Mallett does a good job and the Texans have our QB for the foreseeable future that can throw the deep ball to our star receivers; or
C.) Fitz blows, Mallett is hot garbage, the Texans take a look at Savage later in the year when we're already out of the playoff hunt and he's either good or not and plan accordingly.
If Savage is good, we don't need to find/draft another QB, and if he's not, the Texans are one of the worst teams in the league and will spend our first pick on a QB in the draft. That sounds like a plan.
Mallet was not easily outplayed by Garoppolo.
You can't look at a stat sheet and prove anything in football.
How many passes were dropped by NE's wide recievers this preseason?
It doesn't matter though, I think Mallet is better than anyone we had on our roster this preseason.
Discussion is one thing bro, but I suppose I'm just not fully understanding the minor uproar over a team taking a next to nothing flyer on a guy who fits what our HC is looking for at a position of need. Case Keenum sentiment aside I've yet to hear how the club not wanting to leave this one stone unturned is a bad thing.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Belecheat keeps two QBs. I like either Mallet or Garoppolo as the odd man out so he gets something rather than nothing and we avoid a last minute trade to another team. It's simple as that.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Have no idea how I feel about this.
We went from having 2 known and not great entities and one complete unknown.
To having 1 known and not great entity and two complete unknowns.
We went from having 2 known and not great entities and one complete unknown.
To having 1 known and not great entity and two complete unknowns.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
What's not to love?
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
So this is the conversation then -
BB - So Bob, we'll give you Mallett for a 7th or a 6th if he plays much
BOB - Oh hell no. We think Mallett is our future at QB. I'll settle at nothing less than giving you next years first.
BB - Sold
It sounds like the kind of negotiation some on here would do.
I laugh at the thought of some that paying more or giving a high draft choice for a player somehow makes them better. There is nothing wrong with value by getting more for less.
At this moment it isn't possible to tell if this move was a lateral move, made the Texans better, or made the Texans worse. Thankfully, the Texans didn't give up much to acquire Mallett, and Belichick looks even more like a genius because he actually got something for Mallett. This move changes nothing as far as how I feel this team will perform this year. I still feel as if the QB the Texans need for the future will have to be drafted. With that in mind the one question I have that matters is this:
If the Texans end up with a 6-10 record (as I'm guessing they will) will the Texans do what it takes to get the team in a draft position to draft the QB of the future very early in the 1st round?
If the Texans end up with a 6-10 record (as I'm guessing they will) will the Texans do what it takes to get the team in a draft position to draft the QB of the future very early in the 1st round?
This season will play out and either Mallett will be the future or the Texans will be trading up under your scenario to get the franchise QB of the future. Even if Mallett works out I wouldn't be against Smith drafting a QB in the 1st rd of the 2015 draft. Depth at the QB position is never a bad thing.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
I have no context to say whether Keenum to Mallet is an upgrade.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Ok, I appreciate what Belichick has done in the sport as much as the next fan not from Boston, but this is getting out of hand.
Genius? He turned a 3rd round pick into a 6th or 7th. That's genius? How about we give the guy a Nobel Prize if he can correctly answer, without using a calculator, how many guys he had to cut to get his roster from 75 to 53. Maybe a James Beard Award if he can successfully navigate a bowl of cereal.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
There was a joke on BRB about this sort of genius being like scratching the 0's off of 20 dollar bills to turn them into 2's.
So Belichick should've just held onto Mallett no matter what because he initially burned a 3rd round pick on him. Whatever floats your boat.
By that logic the Texans should've held onto Brandon Harris because to let him go would be to waste that draft pick.
Sometimes you HAVE to cut your losses and make moves that will actually better the team. Not hard to figure out!
I'm not sold on the 2015 QB crop yet and there's absolutely no guarantee that the mere act of picking a QB high in the 1st round nets you a franchise QB.
Nothing is guaranteed of course, but the odds are better than a 4th round draft pick or later. Or should the Texans keep waiting until the 4th round? I wouldn't!!!
Wherever you set your genius bar amigo ...
He also had Brady's backup for 3 yrs at a low cost.
Ryan or Schaub? Big difference there...Take lle out of Mallett and you have Matt, will it ever end.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Anyone backing up Brady better be cheap, not like they will see the field unless it's trash time anyways.
Would love for the Texans to win the Super Bowl this season, and if they do that would be genius. We shall see.......
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Would have been better served drafting better weapons for Brady to throw to and drafting a backup in a later round.
And that's only if Brady's stats are padded enough.
Yep, and this is why I don't have a problem with the trade. Who really knows how Mallett will perform. But I'm willing to bet he will be better than Fitzpick.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
My dog knows how to sit and roll over and slobbers an awful lot, and i am convinced he could play better that Fitz.
The only reason that Brady needed more weapons was that Hernandez IS an idiot. BB tried to rectify that by trading for Wright. The cost was Mankins and I don't like that trade at all for the Pats.
An alleged murderous idiot at that!! What a waste
Doing a job competently is a far cry from genius ...
Belichick isn't a genius GM, imho, but he is most definitely a genius coach.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Take away Brady and the video guy and he's good .
Are you saying you wouldn't hire Belicheck if he were available today?
How many SB's/AFC championship game have the Pats played in since spygate?
BTW, the reason there wasn't a big backlash over spy gate is that most teams were doing the same thing as BB at that time. (Mangini was just an ungrateful a**.)
Name one current coach or prospect you'd take over him.
Maybe Pete Carroll or one of the Harbaugh brothers, but that's about it. I'd dang sure take him over OB right now.
$750,000 in total fines and their 1st round draft pick.....kinda big backlash to me. Not as big as the targeting scandal by the sAint's, but that involved players being injured so it's understandable.
PapaL
Loose Screw
If that's the going rate a SB, you'd be a fool not to accept it. Hell wasn't Jerry rambling about the size of the check he'd wrote for another SB?
Didn't that involve twice the money and a new stadium?
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I'll tell you after the season .
Spygate was equal parts taken with a grain of salt by those who know what a lack of a big deal it ultimately was and blown completely out of proportion for talking head and public relations reasons.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I'll take O'Brien.
If we could turn the clock back 10-12 years, then I would certainly take Belichick and company over about any other option- real or fantasy. However, I don't think Belichick, at this stage in his "career", would be the guy I would want to come in and build the Texans' organization. Ask Miami how things worked out with Jimmy Johnson on the heals of what he did in Dallas. Belichick seized the moment and did great things. However, the idea that he can take a staff that he could put together now and rediscover the magic from New England is pretty foolish, I think.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
What are you trying to say? You come off as hating on O'Brien before one game is actually played.