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Ryan Mallett traded to Texans

Porky said:
So this is the conversation then -

BB - So Bob, we'll give you Mallett for a 7th or a 6th if he plays much

BOB - Oh hell no. We think Mallett is our future at QB. I'll settle at nothing less than giving you next years first.

BB - Sold

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I think the conversation was:

[before the draft]
BB -- So Bob, you're not serious about this Pickspatrick thing, right? I'll cut you a deal. We'll give you Mallett for a 2014 3rd or a 2nd if he plays like you expect him to.

BOB -- Nah, I want him but I'm fine with what I've got.

[before TC]
BB -- Dude. Really? PICKSpatrick? See what I did there with his name inserting a word that means interception? You can't be serious. I'll cut you a deal. We'll give you Mallett for a 2015 3rd or a 2nd if he plays like you expect him to.

BOB -- Nah. I want him but I'm fine with what I've got.

[before season]
BOB -- Hey. JG has looked really, really good. Are you really going with 3 QBs this season? 3? You've got the GOAT, why do you need 3 QBs? Especially when one of them is going to leave when his rookie contract is up and you're not going to get a damned thing for him after spending a 3rd round draft pick on him. I'll cut you a deal. We'll give you a 2016 7th round pick for Mallett, but if he plays well... we'll bump that up to a 2015 6th rounder. Then you can use that extra spot for another crappy WR or DB.

BB -- Hmmm... deal.

Now, the argument is that if BOB really, really was lusting after Mallett, he would have blinked earlier and made one of the crappier trades. This trade is almost like the Patriots were pushing Mallett on us, making us take him.
 
Uncle Rico said:
There is a reason Mullet was given away for a 7th rounder. He stinks. Nothing there to develop. If you get that Carr mentality again you might miss out on truly great QB prospects and set this francise back even further.
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There are many variables that impact the current value of a player... Certainly perceived ability is one of them. However, New England was moving on from Mallett because of the financial realities if the NFL and also because Mallett had no intentions of re-signing for a team to sit behind a Hall of Fame QB for another 3-4 years. The Texans likely offered a 5th, or at least a 6th after the draft- low balling NE because they saw the same writing on the wall about Mallett' s future there... Now, it is only a conditional 7th, because nobody is interested in taking on a young QB at this point in the season. So, there was nobody to bid against. For Houston, he makes sense, even at this awkward time, because they are running the same system, Keenum did not progress, Godsey worked with him, and they got him cheap.

We will see if they got a steal or not. Who knows? The nice thing, though, is that they risked nothing to get a talented QB, experienced in the system, young and probably hungry to prove himself for a conditional 7th round pick. So, chill out!!! And let's see what happens.
 
Honestly, I think Mallett isn't even with the team in two years.

Either Savage or our first rounder from next year will be the starter,
and the other of the two will be the backup
 
dalemurphy said:
Perhaps we have a different definition of winning or earning the job... If Mallett appears the better option, based upon evidence in practice and evidence of Fitzpatrick in games, then I certainly expect Mallett to start at that point. I just don't believe Mallett was brought in with the determined and expected intention that he will be the starter this year. OB is about as no nonsense as you can get. He is going to play the guy most likely to win for him and I doubt he has a romanticized view of Ryan Mallett.
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You need to consider earning job by default. It's not if it's when Fitzpatrick goes down (injury) OB will go with Mallet. He already knows OB's offense, has three years NFL experience behind Brady just needs real game reps to bolster his timing with new receivers/backs & offensive line.
 
ChampionTexan said:
I think the Mallett trade increases the chances that we don't see Savage for a couple of reasons.
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I can't argue against that. Both Fitz and Mallett have to fail/get injured for Savage to get a shot. And it's not entirely important for Savage to see the field this year. I think O'Brien can get a feel for what Savage is or can be from practice.
 
ChampionTexan said:
I think the Mallett trade increases the chances that we don't see Savage for a couple of reasons.

First, whether Mallett or Fitzpatrick is the starter, Savage is now the clear-cut #3, as opposed to supposedly being in a contest with Keenum for the backup role.

Second, I believe whoever the backup is will have a longer leash than Keenum would have had because there would have been little to no evaluation of Case going on, as he was a fairly well known quantity, and held pretty much zero potential for the future - at least in terms of those making the decisions. Mallett on the other hand is a complete unknown (in terms of RS actual performance), and there is at least the possibility that he could factor into the future of the Texans. I think even if he's the #2 guy, he'll see considerably more playing time than Case would have - regardless of the health/performance of Fitzpatrick.

Plus, when you draft a 4th round guy who essentially only played two years of College ball (one year of which was 2009), I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out the powers that be like the idea of a year to observe, practice and be tutored.
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Mallet is a free agent after the season. We won't extend him now, because he can't get his market value until free agency... Also, he will want assurances that he can compete to start. He won't get that from the Texans until and unless he proves himself this year. I am confident that the fan base will be clamoring to sign him before the Texans actually do... Or, he will be gone after the season and will sign a deal that brings the Texans a compensatory pick higher than the one we give to New England.
 
beerlover said:
You need to consider earning job by default. It's not if it's when Fitzpatrick goes down (injury) OB will go with Mallet. He already knows OB's offense, has three years NFL experience behind Brady just needs real game reps to bolster his timing with new receivers/backs & offensive line.
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I have no idea whether Fitz will get injured this year, but I am glad that Mallet is backing him up instead of Keenum this year... I don't know if it will work out, but I am confident that Keenum was not working out... At all!
 
Not sure why so many people are trying to induce traumatic head injuries on themselves overthinking this move.

We have a veteran QB to start the season for us. He's a known commodity, problem is it's not much of a commodity. He'll try and get the ball into our playmakers hands while trying not to put the ball into their playmakers hands. But that's about it with him.

We have a young, very inexperienced understudy with the physical tools for this offense. He's not close to ready but the idea is to let him do the watch and learn thing and keep coaching him up until hopefully the lightbulb starts turning on for him.

So we have the opportunity to snatch up a young, very physically gifted QB who has some level of familiarity with what we're trying to do offensively. He hasn't proven much at all but we could get him for a bottle cap and some pocket lint. The idea being that his floor could be as low as our young understudy's is right now and, well, the risk/reward was worth a shot. Or his ceiling could blow our starters out of the water and, well, the risk/reward was genius. He could also simply fall somewhere in between and we decide to bring him back next year at a reasonable price to compete with the, now more experienced, youngster and a draft pick of our liking come next camp.

In the mean time we have more to look forward to than Schaub, Keenum, and Yates, even if it's question marks. Cause those guys are no longer question marks, and not in a good way.
 
I just got the feeling that BoB's system really needs a guy to stand
flat in the pocket and deliver the ball quickly to guys on shorter routes.

It looked to me like Keenum was having visibility problems (specially looking
over the middle) and had to move the pocket to get anything down field.

Like the height issue coming back to bite him.

Seemed like if a receiver was open close to the line -- either in the flat
or a crossing route, he couldn't pick it up unless he moved laterally.

Might be why he fit better in Gary's system, where the QB moved
laterally on stretch plays and bootlegs..


dalemurphy said:
I have no idea whether Fitz will get injured this year, but I am glad that Mallet is backing him up instead of Keenum this year... I don't know if it will work out, but I am confident that Keenum was not working out... At all!
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speedfreek said:
I just got the feeling that BoB's system really needs a guy to stand
flat in the pocket and deliver the ball quickly to guys on shorter routes.
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And that's why arm-strength is also important, to be able to drive the ball into tight windows quickly. Sure, Mallet can throw the ball 40 yards on a rope no problem but he can also fit the ball into spaces before the DB has a chance to make a break on the ball.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
And that's why arm-strength is also important, to be able to drive the ball into tight windows quickly. Sure, Mallet can throw the ball 40 yards on a rope no problem but he can also fit the ball into spaces before the DB has a chance to make a break on the ball.
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As long as he don't stare down his target like all the Texans QBs seem to always do.
 
EllisUnit said:
As long as he don't stare down his target like all the Texans QBs seem to always do.
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They only have 2 options to throw to: AJ and Other Guy. Other Guy hasn't been very good in years past.
I hope that changed last year with DHOP getting a season under his belt.

I'm hoping we have a QB that can hiy a fade in the corner of the end zone and consistently make the back shoulder throw that other QB's are always making against the Texans.
 
Lucky said:
All Mallett has to be is better than Ryan Fitzpatrick. How high is that bar?

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Not to beat a dead horse, but I agree. The Texans made it relatively easy to win the starting QB job.
 
dalemurphy said:
Mallet is a free agent after the season. We won't extend him now, because he can't get his market value until free agency...
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How do we know they're not working him over right now? For all we know, Rick Smith is going to strong arm into a four year deal. Either he signs the deal, or he's buried on the depth chart. Not even active on the 46... one more step away from "Ryan who?"
 
thunderkyss said:
How do we know they're not working him over right now? For all we know, Rick Smith is going to strong arm into a four year deal. Either he signs the deal, or he's buried on the depth chart. Not even active on the 46... one more step away from "Ryan who?"
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That would be up there with their great Schaub extension
 
dalemurphy said:
There are many variables that impact the current value of a player... Certainly perceived ability is one of them. However, New England was moving on from Mallett because of the financial realities if the NFL and also because Mallett had no intentions of re-signing for a team to sit behind a Hall of Fame QB for another 3-4 years. The Texans likely offered a 5th, or at least a 6th after the draft- low balling NE because they saw the same writing on the wall about Mallett' s future there... Now, it is only a conditional 7th, because nobody is interested in taking on a young QB at this point in the season. So, there was nobody to bid against. For Houston, he makes sense, even at this awkward time, because they are running the same system, Keenum did not progress, Godsey worked with him, and they got him cheap.

We will see if they got a steal or not. Who knows? The nice thing, though, is that they risked nothing to get a talented QB, experienced in the system, young and probably hungry to prove himself for a conditional 7th round pick. So, chill out!!! And let's see what happens.
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I get all that. If you are trying to say that Mallet is a stopgap then I wholeheartedly agree. I'm making comments based on those who see Mallet as the future. I can only hope regardless of his play that they wouldn't pass on any more QB prospects with their delusions of being able to turn Mallet into a franchise QB. Im curious what you see that makes you call him a 'talented QB' and what makes you think he's hungry? He just got outplayed by a rookie.
 
EllisUnit said:
That would be up there with their great Schaub extension
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If they signed him to anything now, I'd expect it to be no more than 2 years. But I don't see why he would ever do that if he has any confidence in his abilities. So, most likely he'll play out his rookie deal, and then the decision will be made next offseason.
 
EllisUnit said:
That would be up there with their great Schaub extension
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Wouldn't be any strongarming involved if they were going to offer him money like Schaub.

Chances are they want him to sign a $6~$10M deal... less than Andy Dalton, more than Fitzpatrick... give him an opportunity to earn that Dalton (Schaub) money.


Think about "Cutler" type performance, but for a lot less money for the next 4 years (no that I know Mallet will be as good as Cutler, just using that as an example).
 
thunderkyss said:
Wouldn't be any strongarming involved if they were going to offer him money like Schaub.

Chances are they want him to sign a $6~$10M deal... less than Andy Dalton, more than Fitzpatrick... give him an opportunity to earn that Dalton (Schaub) money.


Think about "Cutler" type performance, but for a lot less money for the next 4 years (no that I know Mallet will be as good as Cutler, just using that as an example).
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I just think it would be dumb to do that not knowing what we have in Mallet. He could be the caption of suckiness for all we know.
 
thunderkyss said:
Wouldn't be any strongarming involved if they were going to offer him money like Schaub.

Chances are they want him to sign a $6~$10M deal... less than Andy Dalton, more than Fitzpatrick... give him an opportunity to earn that Dalton (Schaub) money.


Think about "Cutler" type performance, but for a lot less money for the next 4 years (no that I know Mallet will be as good as Cutler, just using that as an example).
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Really? Now Mallet is on par with proven guys like Dalton and Cutler? I don't necessarily like their games that much, but I would take those guys in a heartbeat over Mallet. You just cant keep making decisions based on possibilities ... make the guy earn it don't just toss him $ for the hell of it.
 
thunderkyss said:
Not to beat a dead horse, but I agree. The Texans made it relatively easy to win the starting QB job.
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But if they were at a Limbo danceoff, that would be pretty impressive!!
The power of positive thinking, TK...the power of positive thinking.

thunderkyss said:
How do we know they're not working him over right now? For all we know, Rick Smith is going to strong arm into a four year deal. Either he signs the deal, or he's buried on the depth chart. Not even active on the 46... one more step away from "Ryan who?"
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EllisUnit said:
That would be up there with their great Schaub extension
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thunderkyss said:
Wouldn't be any strongarming involved if they were going to offer him money like Schaub.

Chances are they want him to sign a $6~$10M deal... less than Andy Dalton, more than Fitzpatrick... give him an opportunity to earn that Dalton (Schaub) money.


Think about "Cutler" type performance, but for a lot less money for the next 4 years (no that I know Mallet will be as good as Cutler, just using that as an example).
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I think Ellis was talking more about the timing of Schaub's deal ( not being fully proven after the Lisfranc injury ) than the amount of money.
I hope they're working him out instead of working him over for a new contract deal.
 
DocBar said:
But if they were at a Limbo danceoff, that would be pretty impressive!!
The power of positive thinking, TK...the power of positive thinking.


I think Ellis was talking more about the timing of Schaub's deal ( not being fully proven after the Lisfranc injury ) than the amount of money.
I hope they're working him out instead of working him over for a new contract deal.
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Yeah i was, should of been more specific i guess.
 
This guy seems to think Mallet has a chance to thrive here:

http://www.boston.com/blogs/sports/...d_patriots_qb_ryan_mallett_thrive_texans.html

Should Fitzpatrick get off to a rough start in Houston, which is hardly difficult to imagine given his background (even with a light first four games on the schedule against the Redskins, Raiders, Giants, and Bills), and Savage potentially being groomed for the long-term, Mallett should be next in line for an opportunity to prove what maybe only the NFL Network’s Mike Mayock ever witnessed.

With elite wideout Andre Johnson and second-year talent DeAndre Hopkins at his disposal, plus Arian Foster to move the chains in the backfield, the largely inexperienced Mallett might finally have a chance to “pop” in a well-known system under his old instructor.

Remember, everyone who followed the Patriots wanted Matt Cassel shipped out of town about this time six years ago after a lousy camp. When Brady went down with a season-ending knee injury the moment the 2008 regular season started, the then only slightly more experienced Cassel stepped in and guided Belichick’s squad to an 11-5 record.
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Sometimes it just takes opportunity and a supporting cast. Somewhere inside Mallett’s shaky exterior and rattled confidence is the kid who thrived as a two-year starter at Arkansas from 2009-10, when he threw for 7,493 yards, 62 TD’s, and 19 interceptions in 26 games.

This is Mallett’s chance to prove his worth for a better-than-advertised Texans club that suffered through a 2-14 season in 2013 only one year after going 12-4.

I believe the quarterback will succeed and O’Brien will benefit from a trade that, based on reports, had been in the works for months. Belichick will be left with a sixth-round pick to show for it and the satisfaction that one of his own broke through in a situation he never would have otherwise received had he stayed.
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he will be surrounded by good to great skill players they haven't really had recently in NE. they can make up for quite a bit of his shortcomings.
 
When we signed mallet, I went to several NE fan forums to gauge the
response.

It was overwhelmingly "can't believe we got _something_ for
that guy" and not "man, we just let Brady's replacement walk.."

Doesn't inspire confidence that he is a future franchise guy..

DX-TEX said:
This guy seems to think Mallet has a chance to thrive here:

http://www.boston.com/blogs/sports/...d_patriots_qb_ryan_mallett_thrive_texans.html





he will be surrounded by good to great skill players they haven't really had recently in NE. they can make up for quite a bit of his shortcomings.
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speedfreek said:
When we signed mallet, I went to several NE fan forums to gauge the
response.

It was overwhelmingly "can't believe we got _something_ for
that guy" and not "man, we just let Brady's replacement walk.."

Doesn't inspire confidence that he is a future franchise guy..
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He wasn't exactly given a lot of opportunities in NE. This year when he was given a shot in preseason the Patriots were without a few key players. Brady hides a lot of deficiencies in their offensive roster. Its just the reverse here: our skill players can hide some of the deficiencies in our QB
 
Mallet doesn't have to be a world beater to become a success here in Houston all he needs to do is not turn the damn ball over & make the most of Texan red zone opportunities. Flipping takeaway numbers from last season should be the focus w/Clowney next to Watt seems doable just no more pick 6's :swatter:
 
Uncle Rico said:
I get all that. If you are trying to say that Mallet is a stopgap then I wholeheartedly agree. I'm making comments based on those who see Mallet as the future. I can only hope regardless of his play that they wouldn't pass on any more QB prospects with their delusions of being able to turn Mallet into a franchise QB. Im curious what you see that makes you call him a 'talented QB' and what makes you think he's hungry? He just got outplayed by a rookie.
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New England was moving on from Mallett. His status as the #3 (so to speak) was assured once New England concluded that their rookie wasn't a walking disaster.

It appears to me that there is much less hyperbole and fan exuberance about Mallett (a much more talented prospect) than there was regarding an 0-8 UDFA QB whom he is replacing.

He was drafted in the 3rd round (expected by many to go in the 1st or 2nd) and is widely believed to have a ++ arm, good release, release point, tall/athletic frame, etc... and he acquitted himself well in a pass-happy SEC offense.

I assume he's "hungry" because he has been sitting on the bench for 3 years waiting for a chance to play, after being a starting QB for the ten years before that. Also, he has yet to cash in with a big contract. Usually those factors contribute to a player being "hungry".


All that being said, I'm also optimistic that Fitzpatrick could have a season that keeps Mallett riding the pine.
 
speedfreek said:
When we signed mallet, I went to several NE fan forums to gauge the
response.

It was overwhelmingly "can't believe we got _something_ for
that guy" and not "man, we just let Brady's replacement walk.."

Doesn't inspire confidence that he is a future franchise guy..
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so you're saying you "got something" when you went to fan forums? :kitten:
 
:mcclain: Is on the radio and he seems a little butt hurt over this deal. He was all up on Case's privates. I figured as much. Of course he mentioned Case to the Ravens as I had thought he would.
 
dalemurphy said:
New England was moving on from Mallett. His status as the #3 (so to speak) was assured once New England concluded that their rookie wasn't a walking disaster.

It appears to me that there is much less hyperbole and fan exuberance about Mallett (a much more talented prospect) than there was regarding an 0-8 UDFA QB whom he is replacing.

He was drafted in the 3rd round (expected by many to go in the 1st or 2nd) and is widely believed to have a ++ arm, good release, release point, tall/athletic frame, etc... and he acquitted himself well in a pass-happy SEC offense.

I assume he's "hungry" because he has been sitting on the bench for 3 years waiting for a chance to play, after being a starting QB for the ten years before that. Also, he has yet to cash in with a big contract. Usually those factors contribute to a player being "hungry".


All that being said, I'm also optimistic that Fitzpatrick could have a season that keeps Mallett riding the pine.
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But it isn't just about NE wanting to 'move on'. Mallett was easily outplayed by Garropolo, it wasn't just about the rookie not being a 'walking disaster'. Mallet was 14 of 26 for 161 with an 85 rating and one touch in this same system which he's already been in for what 3 years? If the guy was truly hungry he wouldn't wait for his contract year to show his ability or at least I would hope not, I don't want anything to do with those part time players.

My argument is simply this: I hope that none of the QB's has a mediocre year leading the powers that be to think that they can continue to neglect the position. All the talk about Mallett having these awesome skills, and he should have been drafted 1st round if it weren't for the drugs and whatever is meaningless because he hasn't separated himself from being 'just a guy' in the time given.
 
speedfreek said:
When we signed mallet, I went to several NE fan forums to gauge the
response.

It was overwhelmingly "can't believe we got _something_ for
that guy" and not "man, we just let Brady's replacement walk.."

Doesn't inspire confidence that he is a future franchise guy..
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Makes sense if you think about it though. Mallet hasn't done much since he got there (Hasn't had much opportunity either) and they just got a brand new shiny Garoppolo to play with and be excited about. Mallet was the previous Tom Brady successor. Their ambivalence doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.
 
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