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Selection 1.1: JaDeveon Clowney DE-OLB

Thumbs up or down on JaDaveon Clowney at 1.1?

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Texian said:
I see you looking for an argument for the sake of having an arument but I'm not going to bite. Let me just say that a team without playmakers is not much of a team. Imagine if you will the Texans the last decade without their own true playmaker, Andre Johnson and I'm just going to leave it at that.
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You should expand your thinking.
 
DX-TEX said:
Yeah lets be just like the national media and just say after Dre the Texans WR corp is a giant, lack of any skills black hole. Never mind we used a first round pick last season on a WR who had better stats than Watkins and played on the same college team......
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Watkins 2011: 13 g 1219 yds 14.9 12 TDs
Hopkins 2011: 978 13.6 5

Watkins 2012: 10 games 708 yds 12.42 3 TDs
Hopkins 2012: 12 games 1405 17.13 18 TDs

Watkins 2013: 13 games 1464 14.5 12 TDs
Hopkins 2013 drafted

*Watkins suspended 2012 two games for having Mj and 2 pills and missed another with stomach virus and played one series in bowl game ankle injury. Hopkins was go to WR. I think it would be interesting if Watkins was to play opposite Hopkins. Sammy heavier but faster.
 
TheIronDuke said:
I wonder if the Texans knew that AJ was going to pull this stunt that if they'd have considered Watkins at #1.
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They knew about AJ but Watkins wasn't in our sights. This offense runs through TEs, Slot WRs, RBs --go back at look at NE skill production -- performance based fantasy scoring over the years gives a decent idea. Reallocation of our resources in progress.

beerlover said:
Means instead of drafting #1 OG Texans wound up with #2 OG prospect 4 heck of a lot less money, so hopefully, Rick can extend Watt to charge NRG.
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Yep, X wasn't "supposed" to be there.
 
badboy said:
Evidently Mr. Reed did same thing and an S. Storm broke out. Why not the same for the Clown?
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Reed wasn't checked out by 100 doctors at the NFL Combine like Clowney was. And they disclosed a groin issue at his Pro Day.

Dr. CND has maintained this was a long standing issue. Some are saying you can think it's just a lingering groin tweak... I dunno, I'm not a high level athlete... I don't think I'd gloss over any pain down there.
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Playoffs said:
Reed wasn't checked out by 100 doctors at the NFL Combine like Clowney was. And they disclosed a groin issue at his Pro Day.

Dr. CND has maintained this was a long standing issue. Some are saying you can think it's just a lingering groin tweak... I dunno, I'm not a high level athlete... I don't think I'd gloss over any pain down there.
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100 doctors missed? Easily can believe Texans did but not combine, I think Texans wanted him anyways. If so just say so it's your dough.
 
Playoffs said:
Reed wasn't checked out by 100 doctors at the NFL Combine like Clowney was. And they disclosed a groin issue at his Pro Day.

Dr. CND has maintained this was a long standing issue. Some are saying you can think it's just a lingering groin tweak... I dunno, I'm not a high level athlete... I don't think I'd gloss over any pain down there.
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I remember the talk of Clowney pulling a groin during or around the period of his Pro Day, so that condition was known to the public in general.
But groin pulls are fairly routine sort of things to athletes, personally I had two way back in the day, one from football and one from track. They require rest, gotta stay off of them, that's the only way to recover from them.
 
IDEXAN said:
I remember the talk of Clowney pulling a groin during or around the period of his Pro Day, so that condition was known to the public in general.
But groin pulls are fairly routine sort of things to athletes, personally I had two way back in the day, one from football and one from track. They require rest, gotta stay off of them, that's the only way to recover from them.
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how do you know it was a pull and not tear?
 
badboy said:
how do you know it was a pull and not tear?
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John McClain of the Houston Chronicle reports that Clowney spoke to Gil Brandt of NFL.com at the Rookie Symposium on Thursday and told Brandt that he played through a sports hernia at South Carolina last season. McClain also reports that Clowney’s agent Bus Cook called it a groin injury that caused Clowney to think about sitting out the pro day workout.
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If it was a complete tear I doubt he would have played at all, hurts just to think about it :splits:
 
badboy said:
how do you know it was a pull and not tear?
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As a quick review, "pull" is still another name for a type of "tear"......musculotendinous tears are classified as to "Grade." In lay terms, Grade I consists of mostly multiple micro tears, Grade II of true partial tears, and Grade III complete tears. Sports hernias are partial or complete tears of the oblique muscles or disruptions of the attachments of tendons or muscles to the pubic bone or inguinal (groin crease) ligament.
 
I assume that even if he misses the beginning of training camp, he'll be all right for the regular season?

Personally, I'm glad he's taking care of this now. I'd rather him miss some training camp/preseason time than later on. I'm assuming, if it's true that he played through this last year, that this might be a reason for what some considered a subpar year from him in 2013?
 
beerlover said:
If it was a complete tear I doubt he would have played at all, hurts just to think about it :splits:
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It's difficult to play with a garden variety pull, they are very painful, atleast they were for me. But as CND says, a pull is also a tear though there's varying degrees.
 
I think he'll be ready for the regular season, but this sucks. As someone said, better to take care of it now, than wait. I would like to see him get some playing time in preseason.
 
False Start said:
I think he'll be ready for the regular season, but this sucks. As someone said, better to take care of it now, than wait. I would like to see him get some playing time in preseason.
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Does anyone remember Cushing's hamstring in TC his rookie year? He was held out of most of training camp (iirc) and everyone was worried about him going into the season.

And then he crushed it.

At this point, I'm not worried about Clowney.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Does anyone remember Cushing's hamstring in TC his rookie year? He was held out of most of training camp (iirc) and everyone was worried about him going into the season.

And then he crushed it.

At this point, I'm not worried about Clowney.
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Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't...I'm not worried about clowney either, tbh...

BUT just because Cushing did it doesn't give me reason to believe Clowney will...

And Cushing was likely on some type of illegal performance enhancer at the time.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't...I'm not worried about clowney either, tbh...
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That's all I'm saying.

BUT just because Cushing did it doesn't give me reason to believe Clowney will...

And Cushing was likely on some type of illegal performance enhancer at the time.
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Personally, I'm of the belief that close to 100% of all professional athletes are taking some type of performance enhancer, many of which are of questionable legality. So I'm not worried if Cushing was doing something at the time.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
That's all I'm saying.



Personally, I'm of the belief that close to 100% of all professional athletes are taking some type of performance enhancer, many of which are of questionable legality. So I'm not worried if Cushing was doing something at the time.
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If you mean creatine, advil, caffine, multi vitimins, gatoraide, etc. you are correct. Weight lifting is an artifical performance enhancer.

Indeed, in the past, professional athletes may have indulged in steroids, etc., but nowadays it is extremely rare. There is constant random testing---in season and off. The penalties are draconian.

The only scenario where I could understand a pro-player taking illegal PED's is where he (she) knows he will be cut if he doesn't vastly improve his performance. Then he might risk the drugs cause if they catch him he'll be suspended or waived, but that's what was going to happen anyway if he didn't turn it around.

Other than those cases, I don't think either college or professional athletes take illegal PEDs.
 
Lambert said:
If you mean creatine, advil, caffine, multi vitimins, gatoraide, etc. you are correct. Weight lifting is an artifical performance enhancer.

Indeed, in the past, professional athletes may have indulged in steroids, etc., but nowadays it is extremely rare. There is constant random testing---in season and off. The penalties are draconian.

The only scenario where I could understand a pro-player taking illegal PED's is where he (she) knows he will be cut if he doesn't vastly improve his performance. Then he might risk the drugs cause if they catch him he'll be suspended or waived, but that's what was going to happen anyway if he didn't turn it around.

Other than those cases, I don't think either college or professional athletes take illegal PEDs.
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There are a lot of performing enhancement drugs that are not "illegal" in terms of US law but will still get you suspended from your sport. In my old sport, if you drank too much coffee, you could test positive (caffeine); if you took an over-the-counter cold medicine, you could test positive. If you want to take anabolic steroids, you can totally do it and be totally legal about it and still get suspended.

Every professional athlete -- if they really want to succeed and at the professional level, that should be everyone -- should be looking at every possible way to boost their performance and gain an advantage. That includes weight training, brain training, lifestyle choices, and diet.

For athletes with as much money as these guys have, they should exploring every avenue to boost their performance and that means exploring drugs and compounds that border on legality, drugs and compounds that can't be tested for, and methods to take drugs so that they won't show up on tests.

I imagine, and I could be wrong about this, but there should be designer versions of many of these drugs that don't show up on tests but give benefits. I imagine, and I could be wrong about this, that athletes are on protocols of compounds that the lay public hasn't heard of, yet, and that the NFL doesn't even know it needs to test for, yet. When testing for anabolics, they don't test for the drug itself, or even for having unusually high levels of testosterone, they test for its effect on the testosterone/epi-testosterone ratio and one of the things BALCO was doing was giving people a combination of drugs that maintained the test/epitest ratio so it didn't test positive.

For me, the concept of "performance enhancing drug" is problematic because there are some drugs that should be considered performance enhancing that are allowed... painkillers. And those are allowed in a lot of cases. If the NFL wants these guys to go out there without being chemically supported, then they shouldn't allow guys to get painkillers (or any other kind of injection) on the sidelines or in the locker rooms.
 
to the guys saying we should have replaced Andre with the 1st pick, who do we have that could throw to him?
 
nut said:
to the guys saying we should have replaced Andre with the 1st pick, who do we have that could throw to him?
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AJ was really productive last season, and he did not say anything about holding out until after the draft. So i doubt the staff was considering needing a replacement for AJ.
 
I was never for drafting Watkins.

If we were going to target WR I much rather would have traded down and taken Evans. I like him more. And he could've been had a bit later. I think he's going to be a beast.

Could've traded down with Atl, picked up some extra picks...maybe include Yates in the deal.

But whatever. I'm happy with clowney.
 
Man, crazy to me that I haven't posted in a couple of years. Might as well get to my opinion now though. Didn't want JD before the draft and told my friends that I thought he had bust written all over him. From the draft until now I have somewhat changed my stance to "liking" the pick but I still have my worries about him being a bust. Of course you have no idea how much his hernia affected him last year and his drive but a switch to OLB isn't easy, especially for a rookie. I am eager to see him on the field, whenever that will be, and have faith in this new coaching staff. I have no idea if my opinion is the majority or the minority but someone will probably let me know, hopefully lol.
 
TexansSeminole said:
So, this thread turned into Texian trolling everyone, like the majority of the draft section.

Good times.
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Not quite, I basically said that Clowney reminds me of Aundray Bruce and Kool Aid drinkers feeling insulted came out of the wood work. What flavor are you drinking this weekend? And when you get up each morning and bow to Kirby, in what direction are you facing?
 
Texian said:
Not quite, I basically said that Clowney reminds me of Aundray Bruce and Kool Aid drinkers feeling insulted came out of the wood work. What flavor are you drinking this weekend? And when you get up each morning and bow to Kirby, in what direction are you facing?
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They can't be kool aid drinkers strictly based on not agreeing with your opinion . You feel like a scorned lover because they didn't draft Bortles so how can you be objective .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
They can't be kool aid drinkers strictly based on not agreeing with your opinion . You feel like a scorned lover because they didn't draft Bortles so how can you be objective .
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I don't care if they agree with my opinion or not. One thing I can be sure of is how quickly you will respond to most of my post.
 
mussop said:
Why is that?
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Late response but they were both 2nd overall picks that were expected to play tackle but moved to guard.

Robinson may turn out to be a good or even great player but I wouldn't be very happy if the Texans drafted an OT with the second overall pick and immediately moved them to guard.
 
nut said:
to the guys saying we should have replaced Andre with the 1st pick, who do we have that could throw to him?
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If you're talking about me, I never suggested that we should have drafted Watkins. Might want to re-read my post if I am who you're referring to. I merely asked that if the FO knew AJ would do this that if they'd had considered Watkins over Clowey.
 
The Texans are currently facing several questions and criticism regarding whether they knew or should have known about Jadeveon Clowney's sports hernia. In the Texans defense, they claimed that the injury arose after the draft. Which means that, if Clowney had the hernia in 2013, they missed it during the pre-draft process.

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So with a sports hernia he was referred as the greatest NFL prospect in the last 20 years at the combine and his pro day. How much faster would his forty time had been if he was 100%?


P.S.- that sound you hear is AFC South QBs ****ting themselves collectively
 
DX-TEX said:
So with a sports hernia he was referred as the greatest NFL prospect in the last 20 years at the combine and his pro day. How much faster would his forty time had been if he was 100%?


P.S.- that sound you hear is AFC South QBs ****ting themselves collectively
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DX-TEX said:
So with a sports hernia he was referred as the greatest NFL prospect in the last 20 years at the combine and his pro day. How much faster would his forty time had been if he was 100%?


P.S.- that sound you hear is AFC South QBs ****ting themselves collectively
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I have yet to see a single QB anywhere **** themselves over a player on the sidelines.
 
Speaking of ****ting themselves,

It appears the Texans medical staff **** themselves once again.
 
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