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Selection 4.135: Tom Savage QB

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Was not a big fan of Savage during the pre-draft process. He got a lot of hype behind him because of his physical attributes and not for his play on the field. He struggled against good competition and his best qualities were traits and not skills (aka being big and strong arm).

That being said, O'Brien clearly likes him and thinks he can work with what he's got. I don't love the pick, but I don't hate it. Especially since it was a late 4th rounder instead of a 2nd-3rd rounder like many people were saying. I would have lost it if we had taken him with a 2nd or 3rd.

Just finished watching the game against Florida. While I said he didn`t have any wtf throws the 3 other games I watched, he had 3 in this one. But to his defense, he was severly pressured and sackes often. Still, you can`t make some of these throws.

Still, what I am seeing on tape is really encouraging. Also in the Florida game he had several throws that not many people in the NFL can do. Like 60 yards bombs that hit the receiver in stride.

I would almost go as far as to say: accuracy is not a big problem. I haven`t seen many bad throws. Some were a little low, and a couple got away from him some. But overall he throws to good spots. His low completion % is probably at least in part due to his horrible O-line (rushing throws and having to throw away the ball hurts your percentage) and to the bad hands of several of his receivers that dropped lots of balls.

His problem is more his vision and going through his reads fast. He knows who he wants to throw to and stares at him - defenders can easily read him. When his guy isn`t open, he takes to long to go to the next option. And, especially late in games, he´s got a tendency to force the ball into good coverage. Oh and he definetly needs to improve his play action, that is fooling no one.

I can absolutely see what scouts love about him. After scouting him and the top 4, I´d say he easily has the best arm (better than Carr) and he also is one of the most accurate if it only comes down to ballplacement. Carr and Bridgewater were horrible on deep balls, Savage is pretty good. And I saw fewer balls get away from him, than from Bortles.

Coaches need to work with his vision and fast decisionmaking, his eyes and what to do when there is a blitz (hint: don`t run backwards and get sacked and don`t run for it when there are defenders nearby. Oh and please slide). Considering he hasn`t been in any offense for more than a season and he lacks experience, those are things that are definetly correctable. Savage looks like a winner.
 
Yeah, why are their GF"s of so much importance all of a sudden? I'd imagine every starting college QB even at Junior colleges have hot GF's. Big deal.

There was a running... or should I say IS a running joke about the confidence of the QB prospect being related to how hot his GF is.

It's just a joke.

I think.
 
I don't want mallett,but he's better than the options in front of us. To be exact,I wanted mallett ,foles,wilson,and geno withinn the last 3 years. I knew schaub wasn't the answer,but that's me.

Going into the season with fitz and his bad play,keenum or tj,and savage is not a option I would like to see happen. The team would be 1 injury away from another disaster.

All you can say is that you like Mallett; you can't tell us why he will be better than what we currently got.
 
Come on guys seriously this guy?:


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NO.

NO.

NO.


He does not pass the hall of fame handsome criteria needed to be a consistently great quarterback.

THIS GUY IS ALREADY BALDING FFS!!!!!

Look at that face, does that look like a guy in the same level as russell wilson, eli & payton manning, joe montana, dan marino, aaron rodgers?

NO HE DOES NOT.

HE LOOKS LIKE A REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER WHO DOES HOME BURGLARIES.

And reading his weaknesses like being immobile and not being able to read progressions along with his early onset balding, pretty much seals his fate as a back up quarterback.


Thank god kubiak is no longer with us to fall in love with this guy and make him a 5 year starter....


:kubepalm:

Guys, you seem to be forgetting the best way to assess a QB.

How hot was his GF?

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she beautiful but not superbowl mvp champion hot level enough to make up for his husband's deficiencies of looking like a registered sex offender who does home burglaries.
 
Come on guys seriously this guy?:



Look at that face, does that look like a guy in the same level as russell wilson, eli & payton manning, joe montana, dan marino, aaron rodgers?
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You have a thing for these guys? If not NFL QBs, they would be perfect as Gomer and Goober if the Andy Griffith Show ever made it to the big screen.

And by your criteria, Tom Savage is a kickass, Super Bowl MVP type name. At the very least, it's a great porn name.
 
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You have a thing for these guys? If not NFL QBs, they would be perfect as Gomer and Goober if the Andy Griffith Show ever made it to the big screen.

And by your criteria, Tom Savage is a kickass, Super Bowl MVP type name. At the very least, it's a great porn mame.


yes his name is great, but its powers to propel him to greatness was ruined with him looking like a registered sex offender who does home burglaries. that was scientifically verified with his early onset balding.


honest question,

can you seriously trust a young athlete to be consistently great if he's already balding in his prime?

i dunno, maybe its just me but i wouldnt trust any young athlete already balding during their prime athletic years.

in any sport.
 
All you can say is that you like Mallett; you can't tell us why he will be better than what we currently got.

In your absence the reasons to like Mallett have been laid out several times. Besides, it doesn't appear you are going to give due consideration to any explanation anyway.
 
honest question,

can you seriously trust a young athlete to be consistently great if he's already balding in his prime?

i dunno, maybe its just me but i wouldnt trust any young athlete already balding during their prime athletic years.

in any sport.

Ryan Getzlaf, C, Anaheim Ducks (NHL)
 
Why are we reading any post by an obvious 4chan troll with the same username as a Dragon Ball Z character from a made for DVD movie released only in Japanese?
 
Why are we reading any post by an obvious 4chan troll with the same username as a Dragon Ball Z character from a made for DVD movie released only in Japanese?

ohh look the cool guy badass is here.

make room for his cool serious football talk about a 2 win team.
 
In your absence the reasons to like Mallett have been laid out several times. Besides, it doesn't appear you are going to give due consideration to any explanation anyway.

I've been around, just haven't been posting until the last few days.
You made me go back and read over 900 posts for nothing; sorry.


I don't see how anybody can prove that Mallett is better than what we currently have.
 
Just finished watching the game against Florida. While I said he didn`t have any wtf throws the 3 other games I watched, he had 3 in this one. But to his defense, he was severly pressured and sackes often. Still, you can`t make some of these throws.

Still, what I am seeing on tape is really encouraging. Also in the Florida game he had several throws that not many people in the NFL can do. Like 60 yards bombs that hit the receiver in stride.

The buzz is that he got better as the season progressed. I think he said it was 1,024 days of not playing in a real game before he stepped on the field against Florida State. He walked on with no scholarship, learned the offense, won the starting job & started against Florida State.

When you take that into account, that Florida State game doesn't look so bad, but I saw several WTF throws.

Then you look at his stat line against Miami, 24/43 (55%), 281 yards (6.5 ypa), 2 TDs, 1 INT & I'm not seeing the progression people are talking about.

But if you watch the game, not so bad. He's got his mechanics worked out. Holds the ball high on the chest (still lower than the way it's taught) but the draw back & release is perfect & fluid. His feet work the way they're supposed to, in rhythm with his reads, & when he gets to the bottom of his drop, he's made his decision & he's loading up off that back foot.

He's not a dual threat, but he's no Schaub. He moves well on bootlegs & designed roll outs. Throws well on the run.

NFL.com grades him as a backup with a 5.2, but I like his chances to start better than Garoppolo or Manziel since he's already doing things they aren't. Things they'll have to do in the NFL in so much as his footwork/reads/rhythm & going through progressions.

Garoppolo is a Senior & three plus year starter.

I like Manziel, but who knows how well he's going to learn & work inside an offensive system?

I think Savage compares well to Bortles. Bortles definitely has a leg up in that he's put up better numbers & had more success. But Savage is more mechanically sound.

Bortles was on my list of 5. Savage was not & I've been looking at him since his name popped up. I never would have drafted Savage over McCarron, or Murray, or Bortles... but like I said before, I'm not privy to the interviews & that could have made the difference. This kid has been through a lot & he never gave up on football. He's a fast learner. He's just as talented as any QB in this draft, maybe more.

But I'm glad we didn't use a high 4th rounder on him..... expectations are low & we'll see how he do.
 
Don't discount good coaching.

Even if savage isn't the guy we want him to be right this second, he can and should get better the longer OB coaches him.

4th round pick. Going to have some warts. Even first rounders do.

If he's not the guy, well, ok. But I'm not going to condemn him just yet.

Wasn't my too choice, but he does have some skills that can be honed/molded. That's about as much as I expect out if a fourth round qb.
 
If he can become a serviceable no.2 then the pick will have accomplished its goal. I don't see him becoming a starter.
 
This kid has been through a lot & he never gave up on football.

There was a thread a couple of months ago where it was brought up that the QBs that end up doing well are frequently (not always) the ones who've had to fight through some sort of adversity along the way and not the ones who've been successful and the top of the class every step of the way.

One of the things I like about Savage is what you've said here. He's had some ups and downs, he's learned a lot about himself, and he fought through it.

I've got pretty high hopes for him.
 
All you can say is that you like Mallett; you can't tell us why he will be better than what we currently got.

When I wanted mallett 3 yrs ago, my reasons were pretty simple: if you're gonna have a slow footed qb, at least have one who can challenge every blade of grass with his arm like mallett. My reason for wanting mallett now vs savage are just as simple. If you want a big guy with a strong arm,mallett speaks the language you're already speaking. Nobody called mallett a project. Mallett, can come in now and understand the plays right now. Its the same as cassell under haley,schaub under kubes. I would rather have that that fitz starting or one of the other guys being 1 play away. Mallett is what, 25?
 
He'll turn 26 in June

Top that off, brady doesn't even fit the profil for obrien. There is a reason brady almost went undrafted. He didn't have a nfl arm. Even now his arm is just solid,but it never gets exposed until they play a good defense. Brady was never able to throw deep comebacks and flag patterns. That's why they got the te and slot wrs. If you chart brady throws, 85% are inside the hash 6-10 yds away.. Ne led the nfl in yac. That inflated bradys ypa. When it was charted out his throws outside the numbers,15 yds down the field,he completed the fewest in that range. More like bottom 3 among all qbs.

Back to the topic,really in response to 76Texan, I just don't see Savage being anything. Sure he can throw it through a carwash,so what? There are guys from Billie Joe Tolliver to Derek Anderson to John Skelton who could do that. Didn't mean they could play qb in nfl.
 
Back to the topic,really in response to 76Texan, I just don't see Savage being anything. Sure he can throw it through a carwash,so what? There are guys from Billie Joe Tolliver to Derek Anderson to John Skelton who could do that. Didn't mean they could play qb in nfl.

So what's the difference between a guy like Billy Joe Tolliver & Aaron Brooks?
 
Top that off, brady doesn't even fit the profil for obrien. There is a reason brady almost went undrafted. He didn't have a nfl arm. Even now his arm is just solid,but it never gets exposed until they play a good defense. Brady was never able to throw deep comebacks and flag patterns. That's why they got the te and slot wrs. If you chart brady throws, 85% are inside the hash 6-10 yds away.. Ne led the nfl in yac. That inflated bradys ypa. When it was charted out his throws outside the numbers,15 yds down the field,he completed the fewest in that range. More like bottom 3 among all qbs.

Back to the topic,really in response to 76Texan, I just don't see Savage being anything. Sure he can throw it through a carwash,so what? There are guys from Billie Joe Tolliver to Derek Anderson to John Skelton who could do that. Didn't mean they could play qb in nfl.

I would take on Mallett for a 2015 3rd in a heartbeat and trade Keenum/Yates to the Ravens. What's not to like about Savage? Smart? (Learned a pro style offense on his own, check) Arm Strngth? (Strongest arm in the draft, Check) Movement Skills? (Looks like he navigates the pocket a lot like your boy TB, Ckeck) Accuracy? (Good accuracy from what I saw looking at his you tube film. Check)

What QB not named TB would have been a guy that you would've been on board with as possible QB of the future? The thing about Savage that I like is that after 3yrs away from the game he started out with 6 TD's and 6 int's. Then improved as he got back into the rhythm and the speed of the game. He played behind a terrible OL and still produced. Shocking that Savage would have a bad game in his 1st game in 3 yrs against last yrs Fla St defense.
 
Watching this highlight reel, I see a quick release, strong arm and the ability to move and be accurate. I also see some footwork issues (but I'm not that great at judging that) and the tendency to stare down his receiver. I don't see him going through his progressions very much. That worries me.

I also see some throws that are "highlights" but could've been lowlights. Did he make a great throws or get lucky? A lot of them looked like NFL tight coverages, so who knows? My biggest questions are can he read a defense, can he learn to stay in a clean-ish pocket and is he as coachable? After reading his story, I'm sure he'll put in the time to learn the offense and work his tail off to translate it on the field.

Sorry if this has already been brought up. Had a busy weekend and I'm not going to read through 9 pages or so to find out.
 
I would take on Mallett for a 2015 3rd in a heartbeat and trade Yates to the Ravens. What's not to like about Savage? Smart? (Learned a pro style offense on his own, check) Arm Strngth? (Strongest arm in the draft, Check) Movement Skills? (Looks like he navigates the pocket a lot like your boy TB, Ckeck) Accuracy? (Good accuracy from what I saw looking at his you tube film. Check)

What QB not named TB would have been a guy that you would've been on board with as possible QB of the future? The thing about Savage that I like is that after 3yrs away from the game he started out with 6 TD's and 6 int's. Then improved as he got back into the rhythm and the speed of the game. He played behind a terrible OL and still produced. Shocking that Savage would have a bad game in his 1st game in 3 yrs against last yrs Fla St defense.
FIFY. There's no way in hell Keenum gets anywhere near a Kubiak team unless he wakes up in the morning and sees Joe Montana in the mirror. Keenum is likely high on the list of why Kubiak lost the team and the owner. Having said that, Kubiak's hardheadedness and inflexibility are the reasons he's no longer coaching the Texans. IMHO, he did the entire organization wrong by not game planning for Keenum's strengths (minus the 1st two games) and insisting Keenum fit "The System".

I've taken a hide and watch approach to this draft. Regardless of my opinion, I approve and support every pick in this draft. In BOB/Smith I trust until proven otherwise.

Savage wasn't in my top 5 or so QB's, but I start and commission power plants for a living, not draft or coach players for an NFL franchise.

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I would take on Mallett for a 2015 3rd in a heartbeat and trade Keenum/Yates to the Ravens. What's not to like about Savage? Smart? (Learned a pro style offense on his own, check) Arm Strngth? (Strongest arm in the draft, Check) Movement Skills? (Looks like he navigates the pocket a lot like your boy TB, Ckeck) Accuracy? (Good accuracy from what I saw looking at his you tube film. Check)

What QB not named TB would have been a guy that you would've been on board with as possible QB of the future? The thing about Savage that I like is that after 3yrs away from the game he started out with 6 TD's and 6 int's. Then improved as he got back into the rhythm and the speed of the game. He played behind a terrible OL and still produced. Shocking that Savage would have a bad game in his 1st game in 3 yrs against last yrs Fla St defense.

Savage accuracy is in the same class as josh freeman. I like his arm,but arm doesn't mae a good qb. Decision making,pinpoint accuracy are probably the 2 most importat traits qbs need to have. As I've said before,what the difference in logan thomas ad savage physically?
 
best feet in the class, as well as a huge arm. one of only a couple this year with recognizable pocket presence in spite of constant pressure his senior year. i think these 3 talents - feet, cannon, awareness - make savage the most likely to realize a high potential from this class. i'd in no way put him in as a rookie, and may even wait until his 3rd season to put him into the game if he pans out. his true growth will come on the practice field. learning and accepting what it means to be a leader of men, knowing every nuance of the playbook, and fighting up to earn the job.
 
best feet in the class, as well as a huge arm. one of only a couple this year with recognizable pocket presence in spite of constant pressure his senior year. i think these 3 talents - feet, cannon, awareness - make savage the most likely to realize a high potential from this class. i'd in no way put him in as a rookie, and may even wait until his 3rd season to put him into the game if he pans out. his true growth will come on the practice field. learning and accepting what it means to be a leader of men, knowing every nuance of the playbook, and fighting up to earn the job.

If these were the real plans that our team would have then I hope they trade away AJ to a contender and not let him suffer three years of crappy QB play while we wait to see if Savage will be our future franchise QB.
 
Savage accuracy is in the same class as josh freeman. I like his arm,but arm doesn't mae a good qb. Decision making,pinpoint accuracy are probably the 2 most importat traits qbs need to have. As I've said before,what the difference in logan thomas ad savage physically?

First, let's put the Freeman issue aside. Freeman is as available next week as he was during the draft. Nothing about the Savage pick eliminates the possibility to go get a veteran. Moreso, Savage is cheaper and more raw than any available veteran- while "raw" seems like a con, I think OB is wanting a guy to develop instead of a guy who has had some success and years of habits that he may first have to break down...

The Logan Thomas and Savage comparison makes sense to me. L Thomas appears to be a better athlete and his arm strength is probably better than Savage's. That being said, I think Savages delivery is quicker and more natural/fluid. The ball comes out of his hand, IMO, naturally. He appears to have all the ingredients of an accurate NFL passer other than the college resume' to prove it.

I am happy with the pick despite the flaws and issues, because I think it is uncommon that an NFL team finds a QB with all of the passing ability Savage has, without significant health issues, and also with character and leadership intangibles needed for sustained success... To me, therefore, the risk/reward for the pick makes total sense.
 
I wouldn`t even call him that raw. He might have the best combination of size, arm strength and accuracy of the whole draft class. He also has nice feet and a nice spidey sense inside the pocket and is tough as nails.

What he needs is experience and a whole lot of learning NFL coverages. He also needs to improve not staring down his receiver and going through reads quicker. And he should improve his presnap reads to cover blitzes. And he definetly needs to work on his play action fakes.

I think he is a typical mid-late round QB that OB wanted. He is a guy that has all the tools you can`t teach. And everything he lacks seems to be teachable. Usually that doesn`t work out. But the few times it does, the QB can turn into something special. And Savage has all the tools to be special.
 
I don't want mallett,but he's better than the options in front of us. To be exact,I wanted mallett ,foles,wilson,and geno withinn the last 3 years. I knew schaub wasn't the answer,but that's me.

Going into the season with fitz and his bad play,keenum or tj,and savage is not a option I would like to see happen. The team would be 1 injury away from another disaster.

I feel the same way, but in the end I guess is better solidify the core and then take the very good qb.
because if you take the very good qb and give him zero protection he won't last long. and then you find yourself with an injured (not any more) very good qb and a bad core.

I would have liked to solve all problems, but maybe patience is the better way.

If these were the real plans that our team would have then I hope they trade away AJ to a contender and not let him suffer three years of crappy QB play while we wait to see if Savage will be our future franchise QB.

just wait untill next year, if I'm not mistaken this is the last year on AJ contract... meaning that he could very well retire or change team next year if he doesn't like what he sees here
 
I think he is a typical mid-late round QB that OB wanted. He is a guy that has all the tools you can`t teach. And everything he lacks seems to be teachable. Usually that doesn`t work out. But the few times it does, the QB can turn into something special. And Savage has all the tools to be special.

How would you compare him to Jay Cutler?
 
How would you compare him to Jay Cutler?

That's who he reminded me of when i started watching videos of him....mainly b/c both guys have a similar delivery. Even though Cutler was still a 1st rounder & Savage was a 4th, both guys were still under-the-radar compared to their more talked about cohorts VY, Lienart, Bortles, Manziel & Bridgewater.

Another guy that has a similar delivery to him is Matt Stafford...the obvious HOF candidate he's most similar to is Brett Favre. & it's not just b/c of the big arm. the deliveries of all these guys are very similar. that small little hop all these guys have when they're trying to hum it in there...those "all arm" throws that wow you....everything they throw are pretty spirals that just cut through wind...
 
That's who he reminded me of when i started watching videos of him....mainly b/c both guys have a similar delivery. Even though Cutler was still a 1st rounder & Savage was a 4th, both guys were still under-the-radar compared to their more talked about cohorts VY, Lienart, Bortles, Manziel & Bridgewater.

Another guy that has a similar delivery to him is Matt Stafford...the obvious HOF candidate he's most similar to is Brett Favre. & it's not just b/c of the big arm. the deliveries of all these guys are very similar. that small little hop all these guys have when they're trying to hum it in there...those "all arm" throws that wow you....everything they throw are pretty spirals that just cut through wind...
I've seen comparisons of Tom Savage to Troy Aikman, including from Gil Brandt, longtime Vice President of player personnel for the Dallas Cowboys from 1960 to 1988. If anybody would know his stuff it's him.

http://thevikingage.com/2014/03/21/vikings-draft-targets-tom-savage-reminds-gil-brandt-troy-aikman/

All the buzz leading up to the draft was how Norv Turner was intrigued by the possibility of drafting Tom Savage. I guess they were surprised when Teddy Bridgewater fell to the last pick in round one. Another thing about Tom Savage that I hear from all the experts on TV is that he has Tom Brady like qualities. Which if true, I'm sure Bill O'Brien was sold on that.
 
How would you compare him to Jay Cutler?

Interesting comparison. Reading back some scouting reports on Cutler, it does sound a lot like what you are hearing and seeing in Savage. But there is a reason Cutler was a first round QB and Savage a 4th round. I am not saying Savage deserved to get selected much higher. He definetly needs to develope the "football knowledge" aspect of the game. Cutler was much more adept at reading defenses and making adjustments at the line. But really, with their strengths and weaknesses they sound a lot alike.

The thing about Savage: he is kinda an unknown. He never really had the time to learn a system and he had such a long football break inbetween. If he stayed at Rutgers and fought for his job back, all the mental aspects should`ve been much farther along.

The question is: is he capable of learning everything he missed and will he improve a lot when he has time to learn a system? I guess OB thinks so. Like I said, the tools are there. Now it`s time to go to the filmroom and out on the practice field.
 
Savage accuracy is in the same class as josh freeman. I like his arm,but arm doesn't mae a good qb. Decision making,pinpoint accuracy are probably the 2 most importat traits qbs need to have. As I've said before,what the difference in logan thomas ad savage physically?

Work ethic? Thomas never got better throughout his college yrs. Savage took it upon himself to make himself a draftable player.

Physically? not much

I agree with the Freeman comparison, but I doubt Savage will be spending as much time on the party scene and more time perfecting his craft, unlike Freeman who has issues that stretch far beyond the field. I sincerely hope Freeman can get his life back together and become the QB that his great talent dictates.
 
I've seen comparisons of Tom Savage to Troy Aikman, including from Gil Brandt, longtime Vice President of player personnel for the Dallas Cowboys from 1960 to 1988. If anybody would know his stuff it's him.

http://thevikingage.com/2014/03/21/vikings-draft-targets-tom-savage-reminds-gil-brandt-troy-aikman/

All the buzz leading up to the draft was how Norv Turner was intrigued by the possibility of drafting Tom Savage. I guess they were surprised when Teddy Bridgewater fell to the last pick in round one. Another thing about Tom Savage that I hear from all the experts on TV is that he has Tom Brady like qualities. Which if true, I'm sure Bill O'Brien was sold on that.

He's probably got very sound reasoning for it, but i don't see it. Everything from the hype coming into the draft to how they throw it is different to me. Aikman was much more polished & technically sound. His throwing motion to me looked like it was built & he perfected it through time & repetition...much like Peyton Manning..he wasn't a guy that just went out & slung it around like Savage/Favre.

Aikman is only similar to Savage in that both guys transfered from a college that didn't appear to highlight their skill sets.
 
I think one HUGE difference between Tom Savage and Josh Freeman is guts. Tom Savage got battered at Pitt and he kept playing. Josh Freeman got battered during one game with us and was heard (on Mic'd Up) that he just wanted the game to be over and he was playing like it. I think that means a lot to OB, that QB who will keep fighting and battling.

I think Savage is also smarter and harder worker than Freeman or Logan Thomas. OB has known Savage for several years and he's seen the progression he's made. I think that indicates to OB that Savage is a guy who's going to put in the time and effort to improve.

I expect Savage to be starting earlier than later.
 
He looked awful against Florida St which was their first game...Then I watch the Miami game which was their last regular game and he looked much better.


One thing I see is that Savage seems to get jittery in the pocket and will sometimes make a rushed/ill advised throw. Also, he needs to step up into the pocket more.

I though Aaron Murray was excellent in these regards, but Savage is the bigger guy with the stronger arm.

Savage is going to have to get better in the pocket. If he can do that then my hopes for him as a QB get much higher.

But overall, he shows some good things, some bad things. Just have to hope OB is the QB guy he's touted as and that Savage can be molded into the guy we want.

One thing I wonder is how soon OB expects to know this, because we'll have the chance to draft a QB again next year and Mallett will be a FA most likely....especially if no one trades for him.
 
If these were the real plans that our team would have then I hope they trade away AJ to a contender and not let him suffer three years of crappy QB play while we wait to see if Savage will be our future franchise QB.

Why do you feel sorry for AJ? He's made millions of $$$$. The only way that I would trade him is after this yr if he's had a great yr and the Texans org could get a kings ransom for him and the team is a long way away from winning.

The Astros are suffering the consequences of holding on to Biggio/Bagwell when they were way past their prime. Instead of trading them off to restock the franchise with young and up & coming talent. I don't get this wanting to have star players retire with the hometown team. The jersey on the front means more to me than the name on the back. The only player in Houston sports history I haven't felt that way about was Hakeem. I mean even Earl got traded at the end.

Not that any of this has a thing to do with AJ.
 
Why do you feel sorry for AJ? He's made millions of $$$$. The only way that I would trade him is after this yr if he's had a great yr and the Texans org could get a kings ransom for him and the team is a long way away from winning.

The Astros are suffering the consequences of holding on to Biggio/Bagwell when they were way past their prime. Instead of trading them off to restock the franchise with young and up & coming talent. I don't get this wanting to have star players retire with the hometown team. The jersey on the front means more to me than the name on the back. The only player in Houston sports history I haven't felt that way about was Hakeem. I mean even Earl got traded at the end.

Not that any of this has a thing to do with AJ.

Agreed. Anytime I even mention trading him I get assaulted.

Face facts: he is an aging WR who is going to hit the downside of his career pretty damn fast
 
He looked awful against Florida St which was their first game...Then I watch the Miami game which was their last regular game and he looked much better.


One thing I see is that Savage seems to get jittery in the pocket and will sometimes make a rushed/ill advised throw. Also, he needs to step up into the pocket more.

I though Aaron Murray was excellent in these regards, but Savage is the bigger guy with the stronger arm.

Savage is going to have to get better in the pocket. If he can do that then my hopes for him as a QB get much higher.

But overall, he shows some good things, some bad things. Just have to hope OB is the QB guy he's touted as and that Savage can be molded into the guy we want.

One thing I wonder is how soon OB expects to know this, because we'll have the chance to draft a QB again next year and Mallett will be a FA most likely....especially if no one trades for him.

basically. He looks like most college qb's in their 2nd full year of starting look.......which is essentially what he is in despite what his college career and age suggest.
 
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just wait untill next year, if I'm not mistaken this is the last year on AJ contract... meaning that he could very well retire or change team next year if he doesn't like what he sees here

AJ is a free agent in 2017 according to Rotoworld:

8/5/2010: Signed a seven-year, $62.7 million contract. The deal contains $48 million guaranteed, including a $2.8 million signing bonus. Another $10 million is available through incentives based on performance. Johnson is eligible for annual workout bonuses of $1 million throughout the contract's life. The Texans paid Johnson a $5.5 million "signing" bonus during the 2013 offseason. 2014: $6.5 million, 2015: $10.5 million, 2016: $11 million, 2017: Free Agent
 
But there is a reason Cutler was a first round QB and Savage a 4th round. I am not saying Savage deserved to get selected much higher. He definetly needs to develope the "football knowledge" aspect of the game. Cutler was much more adept at reading defenses and making adjustments at the line. But really, with their strengths and weaknesses they sound a lot alike.

The thing about Savage: he is kinda an unknown.

Hmmm. Interesting take. I think the only reason Cutler was a first round pick, was because the only decent, pro system QBs in that draft was him & Matt Lienart. If there were other QBs his size that played in a pro system in that draft, he'd have gone much lower.

I don't know if we can say Cutler was more adept at reading coverages or setting protections... Cutler's OL didn't protect him anymore than Savage's protected him & Savage had a higher completion percentage, higher YPA, & higher rating their senior year. They both threw 21 TDs & 9 Ints against comparable levels of competition.

Only difference is that Cutler was a four year starter.
 
Well, I guess now we get to see what kind of QB Guru O'Brien is....

If he turns Savage into a legit starter and wins games, great...

If not, then Texans are looking for a starting QB in a couple of years...
 
Only difference is that Cutler was a four year starter.
Interesting comparison...

Cutler is a miserable child who quickly tires of his new coaches then goes all "silent treatment" on them requiring intermediaries for communication. He is the picture of a ME player. And despite having his mechanics coached up for years now he has yet to ingrain the proper fundamentals. But a truly great arm talent.

Savage as a freshman at Rutgers sounds like Cutler. If Savage has anything like Cutler's personality defects remaining -- after his humbling college experiences that left him working construction -- the Texans are flat out doing it wrong. Seems to me like he has grown up. We'll see.
 
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