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Selection 4.135: Tom Savage QB

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kiwitexansfan said:
Guys, you seem to be forgetting the best way to assess a QB.

How hot was his GF?

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Dayum.. Screw A.J. McCarron. :user:
 
sandman said:
And what exactly did Keenum do this last season that says he is clearly better than Yates? Have one good game where he and AJ connected... but still lost? Took Carr-like 20 yard sacks trying to run away from the blitz? Not be able to make a hot read, which has nothing to do with the play of those around him?

I swear, I get the hometown hero bullcrap, but it's getting to be too much. People are talking about how he needs another shot at starting this coming season because it wasn't "fair" what he was asked to do last year. Well that is where the opportunities lie. When everything has gone to hell in a handbasket. And he wasn't able to do anything with that opportunity. Time to move on. I honestly don't care that it is fair.

Do I think that Yates is a starter? No. Do I think that he will be a much better back-up in this system than Keenum will be? Absolutely.

Size and mobility-wise Savage, Fitzy and Yates are very similar. Obviously OB wants his QB to look a certain way in his system. Keenum is not that QB.
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Riddle me this riddle me that at what point did case start taking those 20 yard sacks.

I'll give you a clue, if i may do such. although i dont think it will change your opinion much.

Schaub on the bench, Kubiak itching to put him in. As if he would of actually helped us win.

Kubiak to keenum boy stay it the pocket. No more running around slinging that thing like a rocket.

Keenum so scared of losing his spot. He begins staying in the pocket which isnt tht smart.

So now he's doing what coach kubes wants him to do. With D Newtons protection you'd get sacked too.

So is it his fault that kubiak tried to mold him into something he's not. Do you really feel that case was given a fair shot ?

Simple enough ? Or do i need to elaborate ?
 
Carr Bombed said:
:toropalm: LMAO..

You are really going to give credit to Yates for that playoff win.. hahaha.. cough ha ha. Wow. I could've suited up under center in that game, would you gave me credit for the win too? Yates was a participant in that game.. nothing else.
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Don't recall stating where I thought Yates was a starter in this league. In fact, I actually said that I thought he was a back-up. I'm not defending Yates, and I'm not sure why you think I am. My comments about him were related to Keenum and posters on this site giving their opinions that Keenum is clearly a better QB than Yates. In my personal and humble opinion, of course.
 
EllisUnit said:
Riddle me this riddle me that at what point did case start taking those 20 yard sacks.

I'll give you a clue, if i may do such. although i dont think it will change your opinion much.

Schaub on the bench, Kubiak itching to put him in. As if he would of actually helped us win.

Kubiak to keenum boy stay it the pocket. No more running around slinging that thing like a rocket.

Keenum so scared of losing his spot. He begins staying in the pocket which isnt tht smart.

So now he's doing what coach kubes wants him to do. With D Newtons protection you'd get sacked too.

So is it his fault that kubiak tried to mold him into something he's not. Do you really feel that case was given a fair shot ?

Simple enough ? Or do i need to elaborate ?
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So it is everyone else's fault that Keenum played so poorly last year?

So give him a coach that is crushing on him, a guarantee that he won't get pulled, a good offensive line. THEN he will do good. Gotcha.

If I can channel Kubes for a moment... Case is a good kid. Don't wish him ill will. But life - and life in the NFL - isn't fair. He got a chance. Couldn't do anything with it. Even if all of it wasn't his fault. He isn't owed anything else.
 
dalemurphy said:
this Smith/OBrien organization is operating at another level. They have masterfully constructed this off-season-culminating with an incredible draft that has blended value with need better than any draft I have ever closely followed.
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Except we have no idea what the level is, or if it's any higher than Smith/Kubiak, and we can't know for at least 2 years if this was an incredible draft or yet another crap draft by Smith.
 
I'm good with Savage at the spot we got him. I'm really liking the Texans entire draft. It is a bunch of big uglies and that is how you build a winner. From the inside out.
 
Just watched a couple utube vdos (Notre dame, Florida State) . Reminds me of Pick-6 before he got hurt.
Stronger arm, less accurate, can throw the long ball but poor accuracy, seemed to make poor decisions against FloState , Just depends on how he progresses. Just my opinion.
 
This is nice.

Pick Analysis: "I think this is a great fit for the Texans. He's got a hose. His arm is any bit as good as Logan Thomas' or Zach Mettenberger's. He took a beating at Pitt, but he continued to stand in the pocket. He's a natural thrower of the football. He's got all the mechanics, so now it's all about developing the kid's ability." -- Mike Mayock
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midway said:
Except we have no idea what the level is, or if it's any higher than Smith/Kubiak, and we can't know for at least 2 years if this was an incredible draft or yet another crap draft by Smith.
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You don't have tomorrow's data available today. Based on the information at hand, this has been an incredible draft. Definitely better than anything we've seen from the Texans in several years.
 
sandman said:
You don't have tomorrow's data available today. Based on the information at hand, this has been an incredible draft. Definitely better than anything we've seen from the Texans in several years.
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I agree. On paper this is the best draft I've ever seen from the Texans.
 
sandman said:
So it is everyone else's fault that Keenum played so poorly last year?

So give him a coach that is crushing on him, a guarantee that he won't get pulled, a good offensive line. THEN he will do good. Gotcha.

If I can channel Kubes for a moment... Case is a good kid. Don't wish him ill will. But life - and life in the NFL - isn't fair. He got a chance. Couldn't do anything with it. Even if all of it wasn't his fault. He isn't owed anything else.
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No it is not everybody elses fault, BUT kubiak told keenum to stay in the pocket, the boy started listening to his coach in fear of getting benched and he began taking sacks.

before that he had a 8TD to 1 int ratio, he also led the yard in yards per completion. Not to mention he had no Foster, no O.D a gimpy D. Brown.
 
EllisUnit said:
No it is not everybody elses fault, BUT kubiak told keenum to stay in the pocket, the boy started listening to his coach in fear of getting benched and he began taking sacks.
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Yep. I'm not a Case Keenum fan, so I have no horse in the debate about his talents, but, it seemed to me that once Kubiak started coaching him, he got worse.

I do think the guy has some potential, though.

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EllisUnit said:
No it is not everybody elses fault, BUT kubiak told keenum to stay in the pocket, the boy started listening to his coach in fear of getting benched and he began taking sacks.
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No , he didn't.

In fact , they designed a large portion of plays to get Keenum outside the pocket.


Keenum's failures were largely pre snap. He couldn't recognize pressure and coverage packages and didn't make the proper adjustments to those pressures and coverage's.

Even when teams only rushed four but overloaded from one side or the other , Keenum struggled , just go back and watch the 4th quarter of the KC game or the second half against the Dolts.

Keenum's failures were his own , not the coaching staffs ... No , the OL didn't help him and having UDFA's toting the ball in the running game didn't either but he was as much the problem as they were.
 
Corrosion said:
No , he didn't.

In fact , they designed a large portion of plays to get Keenum outside the pocket.


Keenum's failures were largely pre snap. He couldn't recognize pressure and coverage packages and didn't make the proper adjustments to those pressures and coverage's.

Even when teams only rushed four but overloaded from one side or the other , Keenum struggled , just go back and watch the 4th quarter of the KC game or the second half against the Dolts.

Keenum's failures were his own , not the coaching staffs ... No , the OL didn't help him and having UDFA's toting the ball in the running game didn't either but he was as much the problem as they were.
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This. No one is saying he was handed a perfectly healthy and coached team. If that were the case (pun intended), they wouldn't have activated their 3rd string QB. Regardless of the situation, he wasn't able to have results substantial enough to warrant anything other than a roster spot. May not be fair, but it is what it is.

Note: my 400th post and been here 5 years. This rash of postings on Draft Day may ruin my lurker status...
 
Lucky said:
His history and stats are weak. Better to concentrate on the fact that O'Brien likes him. Savage had a great pro day. I guess that means something around here. I'm just glad it was a late 4th, and not an early 2nd round pick.
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Gonna disagree with you; look at stats after being off a year. He just needs good coaching and consistency.

Savage enrolled at Rutgers University in 2009, and after Rutgers opened the season with a loss to Cincinnati, he was named the starting quarterback. He led the team to a 9-4 record. During his freshman year at Rutgers, Savage passed for 2,211 yards and 14 touchdowns, while throwing only 7 interceptions. In arguably his best game of the year, he completed 14 of 27 passes for a season-high 294 yards and 2 touchdowns against the University of Central Florida in the 2009 St. Petersburg Bowl.[2] He was named on the All-American Freshman Team by the Football Writers Association of America.[3]

In 2010, Savage threw for 521 passing yards, two touchdowns, and three interceptions.[4] Early in the season, he was sidelined by an injury to his hand and replaced with freshman quarterback Chas Dodd. Dodd remained the starting QB based on his performance against Connecticut in his first ever start. On January 8, 2011, Savage announced he would be transferring from Rutgers University.[5] Rutgers granted Savage a conditional release. In February 2011 he announced that he was transferring to Arizona. He would have had to sit out the 2011 season due to NCAA transfer rules but would be eligible to play in 2012.[6]

Late in 2011, Savage announced that he would be leaving Arizona. This move followed the announcement that Arizona had hired Rich Rodriguez as Head Coach. In June Savage announced via his Twitter page that he would be transferring to Pittsburgh where he redshirted in 2012.[7] Savage initially wanted to play at Rutgers again; however a hardship waiver was denied by the NCAA.

On August 14, 2013, Pitt head coach Paul Chryst officially named Savage the starting quarterback for the 2013 season opener against Florida State.[8] For the season he passed for 2,958 yards and 21 touchdowns.

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http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2014tsavage.php

Strengths:
Strong arm
Pocket presence
Height to see the field well
Ability to spin the ball
Can make all the throws
Can fit the ball into tight windows
Good mechanics
Quick release
Good size, height and bulk
Willing to run
Experience in a pro-style offense
Upside

Weaknesses:
Questions about his commitment, intangibles
Must improve his ability to work through progressions
Lacks mobility
Not a true dual-threat quarterback
Raw
Inconsistent
Needs to improve accuracy
Needs to improve footwork
Only played two seasons
Sat out two seasons due to transferring twice
Had a concussion in college

Player Comparison: Chad Henne. If Savage develops, he looks like he could become a better version of Henne (6-4, 230). Both of them are thick pocket passers with the arms to make the necessary throws. They can be inconsistent with accuracy and decision-making. Henne was a second-round pick by Miami, and Savage could easily go on the second day of the 2014 NFL Draft.
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Tom Savage | 2013 Highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjf78sZxrfU
 
midway said:
Except we have no idea what the level is, or if it's any higher than Smith/Kubiak, and we can't know for at least 2 years if this was an incredible draft or yet another crap draft by Smith.
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We can't assess how this group will turn out. What I'm referring to is the discipline they used sticking with their board, the quality gambles they made (waiting for that group of QBs to drop instead of reaching early), the success in grabbing need positions at high value, and the execution in transitioning the roster into a much more physical one.
 
Corrosion said:
No , he didn't.

In fact , they designed a large portion of plays to get Keenum outside the pocket.


Keenum's failures were largely pre snap. He couldn't recognize pressure and coverage packages and didn't make the proper adjustments to those pressures and coverage's.

Even when teams only rushed four but overloaded from one side or the other , Keenum struggled , just go back and watch the 4th quarter of the KC game or the second half against the Dolts.

Keenum's failures were his own , not the coaching staffs ... No , the OL didn't help him and having UDFA's toting the ball in the running game didn't either but he was as much the problem as they were.
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hmmm maybe you should go read some of Kubiaks quotes back when keenum started his first few games. You know the ones where keenum was lighting it up. He clearly stated that Keenum needs to do a better job staying in the pocket and trusting his protection. He said this many times.

I dont recall seeing any designed plays to get keenum out of the pocket, infact when he was in i saw some of the most plain/vanilla play calling i had ever seen in the Kubiak era.

Oh and you mean the KC game where we had 0 running backs,,, yeah situational in that case. Prob not a fair assessment there.
 
Playoffs said:
This is worth watching...

Video: goPro Helmet Cam on Pitt Quarterback Tom Savage

4th Round compensatory pick

OB really liked him at his pro day, which was one of the first on the calendar. OB must see his flaws as fixable. Watching tape, his O-line play was just horrid at times. Derek Newton is 10x better than Pitt's RT.
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Not really. Id be surprised if he's anything more than a backup or flash like derek anderson. He's not good at all. He graded out as the worse qb in in terms of accuracy in both short,medium,and long. He gets sacked a lot because he has no pocket presence and throws a lot of questionable balls. He's a poor mans logan thomas. Except logan can run like a deer at times.
 
Really didn't know anything about this kid, but I've watched a ton of tape on him in the last hour.

Really nice arm if you ask me. He isn't mobile, but he'll take the ball and has a body that can absorb some hits. He'll sit in the pocket and take that hit to deliver a pass unlike many QB's.

I'm on a wait and see approach with this guy. Definitely like the touch on his passes though. He can sling it.
 
It's about time! He has some downside and let's hope he can learn. They say he has enough intelligence to learn. A grade of A- for this pick.
 
Clearly possesses a "laser-rocket arm" and I think with a couple of camps and only a single offense to learn he might just amount to something special.

I've got high hopes.
 
leebigeztx said:
Not really. Id be surprised if he's anything more than a backup or flash like derek anderson. He's not good at all. He graded out as the worse qb in in terms of accuracy in both short,medium,and long. He gets sacked a lot because he has no pocket presence and throws a lot of questionable balls. He's a poor mans logan thomas. Except logan can run like a deer at times.
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Lee,

I respect your knowledge of the game and know that you are able to rational assess players in an unclouded and unbiased fashion. So, I certainly respect your opinion on Savage, and I'm sure you have spent more time studying him than I have. That being said, I was very impressed with him- loving his delivery and natural arm strength and also believing that he illustrated a very good feel in the pocket considering all the rust he had to overcome this year. I'm not foolish enough to predict he'll turn into our future QB, but I see plenty to be hopeful for and nothing precluding the possibility.
 
Sigma said:
stupid nfl network put commercials right when texans were picking -.-

qb at last, let's hope he is the right choice
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this happens every time every year its like Texans didn't pay something to the NFL to were they do this on purpose LOL
 
dalemurphy said:
Lee,

I respect your knowledge of the game and know that you are able to rational assess players in an unclouded and unbiased fashion. So, I certainly respect your opinion on Savage, and I'm sure you have spent more time studying him than I have. That being said, I was very impressed with him- loving his delivery and natural arm strength and also believing that he illustrated a very good feel in the pocket considering all the rust he had to overcome this year. I'm not foolish enough to predict he'll turn into our future QB, but I see plenty to be hopeful for and nothing precluding the possibility.
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He can throw the ball through a car wash. I've said this in another thread,if the texans wanted a guy like this,why not sign Josh Freeman or draft Logan Thomas? I mean,this dude is a long,long way away. As many noted about TB long ball inaccuracies,savage is worse. The tv people said they didn't see a college qb who could throw a 20 yd comeback route,but there are 6 or 7 qb in the nfl who can do that. Guess what? None are named brees,brady,manning. The guys who can throw those are ben,flacco,stafford,cutler,cam,kaep,and maybe rg3. That's it. I still think mallett is in play for the texans. I doubt they go into camp with any of these 4 and expect to win 7 games.
 
leebigeztx said:
He can throw the ball through a car wash. I've said this in another thread,if the texans wanted a guy like this,why not sign Josh Freeman or draft Logan Thomas? I mean,this dude is a long,long way away. As many noted about TB long ball inaccuracies,savage is worse. The tv people said they didn't see a college qb who could throw a 20 yd comeback route,but there are 6 or 7 qb in the nfl who can do that. Guess what? None are named brees,brady,manning. The guys who can throw those are ben,flacco,stafford,cutler,cam,kaep,and maybe rg3. That's it. I still think mallett is in play for the texans. I doubt they go into camp with any of these 4 and expect to win 7 games.
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And why would you want Mallett?

Weren't you one of those who said that a team needs a first rounder at QB?
 
htownfan32 said:
I don't love the pick, but I see the upside and the possibilities. I'll like for now and trust in Bill O'Brien.
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Same here. I like the potential, I just hope he learns fast and gets a chance to play quickly. I graded him a B in the grade the draft thread. Based on girlfriend, I give him an A+
 
Wolf6151 said:
Same here. I like the potential, I just hope he learns fast and gets a chance to play quickly. I graded him a B in the grade the draft thread. Based on girlfriend, I give him an A+
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So what starting QB at a large university either does not have a really hot girlfriend or a harem of skanks.
 
76Texan said:
And why would you want Mallett?

Weren't you one of those who said that a team needs a first rounder at QB?
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I don't want mallett,but he's better than the options in front of us. To be exact,I wanted mallett ,foles,wilson,and geno withinn the last 3 years. I knew schaub wasn't the answer,but that's me.

Going into the season with fitz and his bad play,keenum or tj,and savage is not a option I would like to see happen. The team would be 1 injury away from another disaster.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
So what starting QB at a large university either does not have a really hot girlfriend or a harem of skanks.
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You make it sound like having a harem of skanks is a bad thing. As long as you wrap that rascal and aren't creating a bunch of child support checks, he should play the field.
 
Lack of mobility? I saw that as a knock on him, but he doesn't seem like a statue. I wouldn't say he was as fast as Keenum or anything, but his highlight reel shows him able to escape pressure and extend the play.

Liked a bit of what I saw. He has a rifle of an arm, for sure.
 
Drew Henson, Dave Ragone, B.J. Symons, Alex Brink, and T.J Yates welcome Savage. At least with Yates we have some good memories.
 
htownfan32 said:
Lack of mobility? I saw that as a knock on him, but he doesn't seem like a statue. I wouldn't say he was as fast as Keenum or anything, but his highlight reel shows him able to escape pressure and extend the play.

Liked a bit of what I saw. He has a rifle of an arm, for sure.
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Well, he is more like Peyton Manning when it comes to mobility. He does a lot of small, smart movements in the pocket that make guys miss. But he also takes off more than he should, and he seems to be an awful runner that doesn't slide.

I've watched some tape on him and so far he looks really promising. He has a cannon of an arm as we all know, but he doesn't look half as inaccurate as I feared. Frankly I've seen McCarron miss on more easy throws, but that may just be because of the limited tape I've watched.

Of course he still has to develope his reads, eyes, and decicion making and define his mechanics. When you take a QB at the bottom of the fourth you know, that there is a big chance he never developes into something. But I agree that his tape and his tools are impressive, plus you have got to like his story. I am anxious to see what OB can do with him. Frankly I would be more than happy to see him start sooner rather than later. I dont think any QB on the roster is the answer, so lets give him a shot. If he doesnt impress us, take a QB next draft.

Edit: Alright, I´ve now watched 3 games (draftbreakdown).

He´s had a real good game vs. Miami. I´ve counted 7 very catchable throws that were dropped. Savage also really showcases his ability to get out of trouble when the pocket collapsed. He had a handful of bad throws in there and an INT when he forced it late in the 4th. Great game overall.

Vs. NC was a lot tougher for him. He had several bad throws in there and fumbled the ball. His O-Line gave him no help at all. He got pressured all day. Still, you see all his upside. Look at his first 2 throws that game, those are perfect NFL throws. He doesn`t only throw it fast, he also throws a perfect spiral. He has a tendency to stare down his receivers and he needs to learn, when it is better to just take a sack. But he also led a pretty good comeback that fel just short.

After that gametape I feel even better than before. I havent seen one wtf throw, I haven`t seen lots of screens to boost his stats and I haven`t seen inaccuracy. I have seen a horrible o-line and I have seen receivers, that drop easy balls (though it wasn`t half as bad vs. NC as it was against Miami). I can see now, why scouts fell in love with him.
 
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False Start said:
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Long lost... father and son? :thinking:
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He's the baby from Raising Arizona!

I loved that movie.

Ed McDonnough: You mean you busted out of jail.

Evelle: No, ma'am. We released ourselves on our own recognizance.

Gale: What Evelle here is trying to say is that we felt that the institution no longer had anything to offer us.
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Wolf6151 said:
You make it sound like having a harem of skanks is a bad thing. As long as you wrap that rascal and aren't creating a bunch of child support checks, he should play the field.
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Only bad because I did not have one in college
 
Was not a big fan of Savage during the pre-draft process. He got a lot of hype behind him because of his physical attributes and not for his play on the field. He struggled against good competition and his best qualities were traits and not skills (aka being big and strong arm).

That being said, O'Brien clearly likes him and thinks he can work with what he's got. I don't love the pick, but I don't hate it. Especially since it was a late 4th rounder instead of a 2nd-3rd rounder like many people were saying. I would have lost it if we had taken him with a 2nd or 3rd.
 
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