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Teddy Bridgewater

Allstar said:
Agendas are funny

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If you're a Teddy Fanatic this is a slap in the face, which it definitely is not. It is only a perceived negative because of a presumed BIAS. Gil only stated the obvious that many people thought Teddy would've BIGGER hands, Gil NEVER said that Teddy's hands were to small, only that they were expected to be BIGGER. Because Gil didn't express a positive or adoration, of course now he has an agenda, which he doesn't. It's only perceived in the minds of Teddy fans.
 
thunderkyss said:
If the Texans select Bridgewater I'm giddy about that weight. The only reason I questioned it was because he was listed at 205 two years ago & 195 last year. He looked every bit of 195. However his proponents argued he lost weight due to off season surgery.
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That's because he did. He lost probably about 10 lbs because of it.

thunderkyss said:
He had plenty of time to put weight on during the season. Not doing so would lead me to believe he's naturally thin & a hard gainer.
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Not exactly true. It's really hard to put on weight during a season. You're always doing conditioning to stay in shape. You put on weight during the offseason.

thunderkyss said:
214 tells me he did add weight during y get season & probably played between 205~210. I'm disappointed he isn't a true 6'3" but what I've seen makes that negligible.
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IMO, he got up to about 205 for this season and then recently added 10 lbs between the end of the season and the combine because his agent told him to. 6'2 or 6'3 doesn't really matter to me. They're basically the same. Sure he's not 6'5, but he's also not 5'11.
 
Texian said:
If you're a Teddy Fanatic this is a slap in the face, which it definitely is not. It is only a perceived negative because of a presumed BIAS. Gil only stated the obvious that many people thought Teddy would've BIGGER hands, Gil NEVER said that Teddy's hands were to small, only that they were expected to be BIGGER. Because Gil didn't express a positive or adoration, of course now he has an agenda, which he doesn't. It's only perceived in the minds of Teddy fans.
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Not really. Brandt could have just reported the measurements. Instead, he mentions Teddy played with 2 gloves and the fact that they were smaller than he thought, leading you to think it's a negative towards his stock. He then reports that the exact same measurement on a QB mentioning they're above the required size, leading you to think it's a positive towards his stock. He is known Manziel lover, and it's tweets like these that make it hard to take him seriously.
 
jradMIT said:
Hilarious!
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Texian said:
Not necessarily, if Bortles shows he can't throw the ball 40 yds HE'S OUT. Unlike the Teddy Fanatics I'm not married to Bortles. In fact over the course of the season I have changed opinions a couple of times. Unlike Teddy Fanatics who have been all-in on Teddy since the 2013 Sugar Bowl. Until I see another QB who can WIN games in the last 2 minutes as well or better than Bortles has proved he can do, Bortles is the man.

Part of the reason many of the armchair pretend scouts in the media are 100% committed to Teddy is because they were neck deep in their affirmation and coronation of Teddy before the 2013 season even started. One of the big flaws in the human character is the inability to admit one is wrong or admitting a mistake as is the case with many armchair pretend scouts in the media. When Teddy turns out to be Sam Bradford the Teddy Fanatics will say they knew it all along.
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Didn't you say earlier that not drafting Bortles would be the biggest mistake the franchise has ever made?
 
Playoffs said:
I don't think 214 will see Teddy again for a few years, at least. He packed it on for the Combine.
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True, but pretty much every player does. If you can do a bunch of bench reps or run a fast 40, there is a high probability that you will impress at least one team and improve your draft stock. Same thing with height-weight. They don't call it the Underwear Olympics for nothing.

I really dislike how much evaluation goes on at the combine. Measurements are important and also interesting, but tape is what matters. A guy like Bridgewater can show up at 215 and get drafted higher and then he's playing at 205 next season. What was the point in getting giddy about his weight in the first place?
 
Allstar said:
Agendas are funny

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Trap_Star said:
he was hacked.
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WolverineFan said:
The thing with scouting is, I really really hate when people cannot be objective. I don't care if you have favorites, we all do. But be objective.
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Neither of you are showing objectivity. Bridgewater is being discussed and analyzed as a potential number one pick. Garopollo is being discussed relative to a second or third round pick. A 9 1/4" hand is adequate for a NFL QB, but not ideal. So Gil Brandt's two statements are spot on when taking into account where the two prospects are expected to go in the draft.
 
Playoffs said:
I don't think 214 will see Teddy again for a few years, at least. He packed it on for the Combine.
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I don´t really understand that reasoning. If 214 helps him with his play and he was able to get to that weight in the offseason, why would he slim down again? And if 214 only looks good on paper but hurts his play (speed, agility, athleticism) wouldn`t it hurt him to put that much on for the combine?

214 isn`t an extreme number for his height and frame - actually it is a pretty good number. And it isn`t uncommon for a college player to gain some weight with the jump to the pros. So why do you think he won`t see it again for a few years?
 
Number19 said:
Neither of you are showing objectivity. Bridgewater is being discussed and analyzed as a potential number one pick. Garopollo is being discussed relative to a second or third round pick. A 9 1/4" hand is adequate for a NFL QB, but not ideal. So Gil Brandt's two statements are spot on when taking into account where the two prospects are expected to go in the draft.
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I disagree, but to each his own.
 
Texian said:
If you're a Teddy Fanatic this is a slap in the face, which it definitely is not. It is only a perceived negative because of a presumed BIAS. Gil only stated the obvious that many people thought Teddy would've BIGGER hands, Gil NEVER said that Teddy's hands were to small, only that they were expected to be BIGGER. Because Gil didn't express a positive or adoration, of course now he has an agenda, which he doesn't. It's only perceived in the minds of Teddy fans.
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Why would you expect bigger hands on TB who was rumored to have small hands than on the slightly larger Garappolo?

Number19 said:
Neither of you are showing objectivity. Bridgewater is being discussed and analyzed as a potential number one pick. Garopollo is being discussed relative to a second or third round pick. A 9 1/4" hand is adequate for a NFL QB, but not ideal. So Gil Brandt's two statements are spot on when taking into account where the two prospects are expected to go in the draft.
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Facially looks plausible, but where is the tweet on Bortles and his not ideal one eighth inch larger hands? He is being considered at the number one pick.
 
WolverineFan said:
Not exactly true. It's really hard to put on weight during a season. You're always doing conditioning to stay in shape. You put on weight during the offseason.

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If we're talking about bulking up yeah. But if we're talking about getting back to normal after a surgery, not so much.

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WolverineFan said:
I disagree, but to each his own.
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Why? If you are selecting a player at 1-1, aren't you going to hold him to a higher standard of analysis? Luck was rated so highly, in part, precisely because his measurables were as outstanding as were his skills.

Now maybe you were addressing your comment to other posters and not to Gil Brandt's two comments; in which case I misinterpreted your intent and in which case my comment wouldn't apply to you. I was addressing those who saw something inconsistent with Brandt's comments.
 
thunderkyss said:
If we're talking about bulking up yeah. But if we're talking about getting back to normal after a surgery, not so much.

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What if he wasn't normal before surgery? He weighed about 205-210 before surgery and looked pretty bulked. Pretty difficult to put that weight back on during season with all the conditioning work.
 
LikeMike said:
I don´t really understand that reasoning. If 214 helps him with his play and he was able to get to that weight in the offseason, why would he slim down again? And if 214 only looks good on paper but hurts his play (speed, agility, athleticism) wouldn`t it hurt him to put that much on for the combine?
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It's about what's real & what isn't. If he took a bunch of salt pills & drank a bunch of water, it's not real & he'll naturally get back to what's real. No slimming involved.

I'm sure some of that is involved & he's probably closer to 210 right now. Anymore than that & he'll look bloated. He looked every bit of 210 in that video the other day. When I get home I'm sure there will be pictures & video of the weigh in so we'll see how natural he looks.

If he weighed in at 205, & me expecting a little salt pill & water shenanigans, I would have knocked his grade down quite a bit. As it stands, I've corrected towards the positive.

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Allstar said:
Not really. Brandt could have just reported the measurements. Instead, he mentions Teddy played with 2 gloves and the fact that they were smaller than he thought, leading you to think it's a negative towards his stock. He then reports that the exact same measurement on a QB mentioning they're above the required size, leading you to think it's a positive towards his stock. He is known Manziel lover, and it's tweets like these that make it hard to take him seriously.
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The two quotes were completely separate. Only connected and presented together by a disgruntled Teddy fan. leading Teddy fans to think it's a negative towards his stock. The reason Gil reported Garopolo has above required hand size is because there was a question if Garopolo was 6'0 and would have small hands. Again this is just more bad interpretation from Teddy fans. The quotes were completely separate, it's only Teddy fans trying to connect the dots.

jradMIT said:
Didn't you say earlier that not drafting Bortles would be the biggest mistake the franchise has ever made?
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Yes and I still stand by that statement. Bortles ability to remain cool, calm and collected in the last two minutes and deliver the WIN in almost every circumstance is Montana and Bradyesque. Nothing has changed about my OPINION.

Playoffs said:
I don't think 214 will see Teddy again for a few years, at least. He packed it on for the Combine.
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Agree, Teddy has been devouring 10,000 calories a day for the last two months in order to make weight at the combine. He has likely added 20 lbs. This says to me his playing weight at Louisville was close to 195.

infantrycak said:
Why would you expect bigger hands on TB who was rumored to have small hands than on the slightly larger Garappolo?
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I did not say I expected TB to have bigger hands. You're confusing me with Gil Brandt.
 
Texian said:
If you're a Teddy Fanatic this is a slap in the face, which it definitely is not. It is only a perceived negative because of a presumed BIAS. Gil only stated the obvious that many people thought Teddy would've BIGGER hands, Gil NEVER said that Teddy's hands were to small, only that they were expected to be BIGGER. Because Gil didn't express a positive or adoration, of course now he has an agenda, which he doesn't. It's only perceived in the minds of Teddy fans.
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100% agree!!!!!the Bridgewater fans are being way to defensive. Every little comment said about him his is met with criticism no matter whether it's fact or opinion based on observation that was never meant as a put down.
 
WolverineFan said:
What if he wasn't normal before surgery? He weighed about 205-210 before surgery and looked pretty bulked. Pretty difficult to put that weight back on during season with all the conditioning work.
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I'm not a doctor. But in my mind, if we were talking about some surgery that kept him from putting weight on his feet, where he suffered from severe atrophy I'd probably be thinking along those lines. But he was a relatively healthy young man who couldn't eat the way a growing kid should. Once they unwired his jaw his body should have been playing catchup.

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Texian said:
I did not say I expected TB to have bigger hands. You're confusing me with Gil Brandt.
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OK captain never met a spurious distinction you didn't like and never heard of the generic you - why would Brandt expect TB to have bigger hands when the concern was his hands being too small? For instance was he on record saying the concerns about TB were ridiculous and he could tell TBs hands were plenty big by looking at them?
 
Number19 said:
Why? If you are selecting a player at 1-1, aren't you going to hold him to a higher standard of analysis?
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Sure, with things that matter. Both guys were over the threshold. Okay, good to know. I don't see why further analysis for this particular measurement is needed. Both guys are 6'2 and have the same size hands. What's odd about that?


Number19 said:
Luck was rated so highly, in part, precisely because his measurables were as outstanding as were his skills.
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Luck was rated so highly because he was a 3-year starter who called the entire offense at the line of scrimmage (something even Manning didn't do in college). He was big and strong, mobile, good arm, and extremely cerebral. He was rated as the top player long before his hands were measured.


Number19 said:
Now maybe you were addressing your comment to other posters and not to Gil Brandt's two comments; in which case I misinterpreted your intent and in which case my comment wouldn't apply to you. I was addressing those who saw something inconsistent with Brandt's comments.
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They were directed at both.
 
mussop said:
100% agree!!!!!the Bridgewater fans are being way to defensive. Every little comment said about him his is met with criticism no matter whether it's fact or opinion based on observation that was never meant as a put down.
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You could say the same thing about the Manziel, Bortles, Clowney, and McCarron fans. We all have favorites and we all defend them when we feel they are misrepresented.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm not a doctor. But in my mind, if we were talking about some surgery that kept him from putting weight on his feet, where he suffered from severe atrophy I'd probably be thinking along those lines. But he was a relatively healthy young man who couldn't eat the way a growing kid should. Once they unwired his jaw his body should have been playing catchup.
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Very true and I wasn't ever trying to imply that you were wrong. It's just my opinion that he played under weight this year because he wasn't able to throw the weight back on before the season and couldn't do it during the season.
 
WolverineFan said:
I don't really read twitter. They were posted on the board as though they were not separate. Hence the response.
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I don't either. But saying they are completely separate is misleading as well. It's a string of thoughts like stream of consciousness with returns. These two came out in quick succession.
 
It's largely percieved as a slight to TB b/c Brandt felt the need to mention TB wore gloves & there was no need to do that much less right after the measurements came out on his hands.

yes it was a fact....but a fact everyone knew already. Of course people were going to make the leap they made when he threw that little tidbit on at the end.

Just like everyone crucified manziel for being all of 1/4 of an inch shorter than he said he was gonna be.

In the grand scheme of things, it's negligble for both guys...........
 
Mr teX said:
It's largely percieved as a slight to TB b/c Brandt felt the need to mention TB wore gloves & there was no need to do that much less right after the measurements came out on his hands.

yes it was a fact....but a fact everyone knew already. Of course people were going to make the leap they made when he threw that little tidbit on at the end.

Just like everyone crucified manziel for being all of 1/4 of an inch shorter than he said he was gonna be.

In the grand scheme of things, it's negligble for both guys...........
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Right, he didn't just report the facts, he added a bit of his own opinion coloring his statement on one, but not the other. A bit disingenuous.
 
The weigh-ins aren't exactly surprising

With Teddy and Johnny, you have two guys that had size questions so you know that they are going to add weight before the combine. Those numbers lead me to believe that they played between 5-15 pounds lighter during the past college football season, which is about what I expected.
 
infantrycak said:
OK captain never met a spurious distinction you didn't like and never heard of the generic you - why would Brandt expect TB to have bigger hands when the concern was his hands being too small? For instance was he on record saying the concerns about TB were ridiculous and he could tell TBs hands were plenty big by looking at them?
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I don't know. I don't know why Brandt thinks what he thinks about TB. Pure speculation on my part, since Gil has been doing this for 50 years and the inventor of the modern day Combine, maybe after watching TB and considering his height he thought TB would've hands > 9 1/4".
 
Texian said:
I don't know. I don't know why Brandt thinks what he thinks about TB. Pure speculation on my part, since Gil has been doing this for 50 years and the inventor of the modern day Combine, maybe after watching TB and considering his height he thought TB would've hands > 9 1/4".
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Well that can't be it because Garoppolo is also 6'2 and he had no issue with his hand size.
 
Playoffs said:
Teddy Bridgewater 6'2 1/8", 214 lbs., 9 1/4" hand.
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I knew he wouldn't come into the combine weighing under 200 lbs. I don't know if it was on this board (Probably not, god I hope not) but I had a few co-worker friends thinking this guy was not much bigger than Manziel.
 
WolverineFan said:
Well that can't be it because Garoppolo is also 6'2 and he had no issue with his hand size.
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Hindsight. Until measured there was speculation if he was 6'.

Like I said, I don't know what or why Brandt thinks about players. Apparently you do. I can only assume (ASS of U ME) like everyone else.
 
Texian said:
Hindsight. Until measured there was speculation if he was 6'.

Like I said, I don't know what or why Brandt thinks about players. Apparently you do. I can only assume (ASS of U ME) like everyone else.
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Come on now. You should know by now that I know everything.
 
Ball security and hand strength are just as important as hand size. Brett Favre hands were huge,but he fumbled a lot because of where he held the ball while in the pocket. I don't know andre johnson hand size,but I've shook his hands and they seemed small,but he has strong hands. I've seen guys with 10" hands that couldn't palm a basketball because of hand strength.
 
Hand size is not indicative of success at all.

Michael Vick 8½
Drew Brees 10¼.
Tim Couch 9 7/8
Donovan McNabb 10-0
Akili Smith 9¾
Cade McNown 9 3/8
Brad Johnson 10 1/8
Patrick Ramsey 10-0
David Carr 9¾
Joey Harrington 9¾
Trent Dilfer 9 5/8
Jay Fiedler 9½
J.T. O’Sullivan 9½
Jake Plummer 9¼
Chris Chandler 9¼
Jim Druckenmiller 11¼
Heath Shuler 10 5/8
David Klingler 9¼

Some of you guys are just getting too wrapped up in the "tear down Teddy to make your guy look better" arguments. First it was his weight, then the thickness of his arms, then his lack of Heisman votes in 2013, then his conference competition, then his crossdressing, then his "looping motion" in his throw, then the angle of the ball in his throwing motion, then his defense is making him look good, then his spiral isn't tight enough, then not declaring for the NFL draft immediately, and on and on and on. It's really boring reading the same stuff over and over again. The super-anti-Teddy crowd really needs to step back off this thread, because most of you aren't adding anything meaningful to the discussion.
 
Hervoyel said:
I remember the legal drinking age "walking up" from 18 pretty much in step with my own age. Once I turned 18 I could drink and I don't remember ever dropping back at any time as it went up.

that's just my memory. It could be off or maybe I just had a run of never being carded in there.
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When I went on campus (Lamar) for my freshman year (1975), the drinking age was 18 which was lowered from 21 at the same time as the Voting age. Anyone with a college ID would be served so that's what I used for the local establishment.

Beer vendors were the largest group at the freshman orientations. I was never carded until I turned 18 near the end of my freshman year. When I finally finished in 1980 (Lamar) after time at Texas A&M and U of H, the drinking age was still 18, so the move to age 19 had to be after that.
 
Marshall said:
When I went on campus (Lamar) for my freshman year (1975), the drinking age was 18 which was lowered from 21 at the same time as the Voting age. Anyone with a college ID would be served so that's what I used for the local establishment.

Beer vendors were the largest group at the freshman orientations. I was never carded until I turned 18 near the end of my freshman year. When I finally finished in 1980 (Lamar) after time at Texas A&M and U of H, the drinking age was still 18, so the move to age 19 had to be after that.
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The National Minimum Drinking Age Act was passed in 1984. Infantrycak will be along directly with who voted FOR, who voted AGAINST and who ABSTAINED. :)
 
WolverineFan said:
Come on now. You should know by now that I know everything.
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Well you screwed up and outed yourself. You commented that you didn't follow twitter. Then followed that up with comments about individual tweets and how they should be interpreted. So clearly you were offering an opinion on something you knew nothing about, admittedly so. :)
 
Dutchrudder said:
Hand size is not indicative of success at all.

Michael Vick 8½
Drew Brees 10¼.
Tim Couch 9 7/8
Donovan McNabb 10-0
Akili Smith 9¾
Cade McNown 9 3/8
Brad Johnson 10 1/8
Patrick Ramsey 10-0
David Carr 9¾
Joey Harrington 9¾
Trent Dilfer 9 5/8
Jay Fiedler 9½
J.T. O’Sullivan 9½
Jake Plummer 9¼
Chris Chandler 9¼
Jim Druckenmiller 11¼
Heath Shuler 10 5/8
David Klingler 9¼
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I always thought Schaub had smallish hands. The ball looked huge in his hand & funny coming out of it.
 
Hand size is stupid. No correlation between being a good qb and your hand size.....NONE what so ever. Teddy has lived his whole life with those hands, hes not gonna suddenly forget how "small" they are and let it affect him holding the ball.....they are over critiquing him like they do every top guy every year. Passing on Teddy will be the biggest mistake we make if we do it....
 
amazing80 said:
Hand size is stupid. No correlation between being a good qb and your hand size.....NONE what so ever. Teddy has lived his whole life with those hands, hes not gonna suddenly forget how "small" they are and let it affect him holding the ball.....they are over critiquing him like they do every top guy every year. Passing on Teddy will be the biggest mistake we make if we do it....
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BREAKING NEWS: Teddy does NOT have small hands. They are 9 1/4". That is more than acceptable for an NFL QB. Also IMPORTANT NOTE: Teddy has been accused of being small and frail but has same body type and frame as JOE MONTANA did coming out of Notre Dame.
 
Texian said:
BREAKING NEWS: Teddy does NOT have small hands. They are 9 1/4". That is more than acceptable for an NFL QB. Also IMPORTANT NOTE: Teddy has been accused of being small and frail but has same body type and frame as JOE MONTANA did coming out of Notre Dame.
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Where did Montana get drafted though?
 
I've been silently on the Bridgewater Bandwagon now since shortly after the season.

It has to be Bridgewater or Brett Smith. No one else should suffice for the Texans.

As much as the game is won and lost in the trenches, if there is a such thing as a tipple - edged sword, then we best believe that a Head Coach will rise or fall based upon his QB of choice. There are just no ways around any of these basic football facts.

Bridgewater, Theodore.
 
Texian said:
BREAKING NEWS: Teddy does NOT have small hands. They are 9 1/4". That is more than acceptable for an NFL QB. Also IMPORTANT NOTE: Teddy has been accused of being small and frail but has same body type and frame as JOE MONTANA did coming out of Notre Dame.
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I know thus I put small in ""
 
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