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Teddy Bridgewater

disaacks3 said:
I think your preference for a more "quiet" leader is off-target in the current NFL. Most of the top ones aren't the quiet types. Sure, rah-rah can be OVERdone, but having fire isn't a flaw.
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I don't mean that having fire is a flaw. And I don't mean that the QB should be a "quiet" leader. But I would prefer a guy who doesn't wear his emotions on his sleeve. In the end, it all comes down to whether the other guys in the huddle trust you or not. How you get there is just a matter of preference.
 
disaacks3 said:
I think your preference for a more "quiet" leader is off-target in the current NFL. Most of the top ones aren't the quiet types. Sure, rah-rah can be OVERdone, but having fire isn't a flaw.
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I don't know about that. Sure, Peyton and Brady can get in your grill but there are a lot of other upper echelon QBs in the league who aren't rah-rah types and I don't even think Peyton is a rah-rah guy. Russell Wilson seems pretty even keel and Eli Manning has won 2 SBs even though he's known for being unflappable. I've never thought of Brees as being a rah-rah guy, either.
 
bah007 said:
To me, Bridgewater seems like a guy who doesn't get too high or too low. Always keeps his emotions in check...
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There's something "fragile" I'm picking up with Bridgewater... need to see more, but that's what I'm getting from him. Not physically fragile.
 
Playoffs said:
There's something "fragile" I'm picking up with Bridgewater... need to see more, but that's what I'm getting from him. Not physically fragile.
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I have the same kind of feeling, a little bit. It's like he's hiding. I don't really like it, but it's not a big deal right now. I think this feeling is only magnified because we are watching a bunch of other guys work out right now.
 
Number19 said:
Can I get several responses, both pro and con, as to the kind of presence Bridgewater had in the huddle and on the sideline? I've seen clips of Manziel being a firebrand, pumping up and inspiring his teammates. My impression is that Bridgewater doesn't seem to have this strong of a motivating personality. I could be wrong which is why I'm asking.
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During the first half he was the voice of reason. Calming his teammates, keeping them focused & turning that game around.

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_King_ said:
Tbh, most of the better qb's I've seen or known have had a fairly even personality but would have bursts of fire.
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I beg to differ. Most of the good ones run the gamut. Depending on the situation. He'll be fiery, calming, level headed, inspiring, even down right offensive. Sometimes all in the same game, sometimes in the same drive.

The thing about the good leader... he knows it's his place. We may not agree & question his actions from time to time. He's not always right, not always wrong. But he knows he had to do something & he did.

I didn't have a problem with Schaub's leadership style or Andre's or Kubiak's or Mario's. But all together it's just a little too much.

Every now & then, someone has to be the bad guy.


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Lord Bills said:
so the guy who claims to be the best QB of the draft is a cross dresser and refuses to throw or run while playing the weakest competition out of all the other qbs in question?

and this is the guy who you want to be our franchise qb?

:toropalm:

Where the same posters who slagged Manziel for saying cocky things do the same for Bridgewater?
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God Im tired of the "cross-dresser" crap
 
Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein 1m

Interesting RT @JohnMiddlekauff: Twitter is MUCH higher than NFL teams on Bridgewater. I won't be shocked to see him drop out of the top 10
 
Well... Rodgers was being talked about as the potential first overall, then dropped out of the top 10. I expect that should the same happen to Bridgewater, he will make the teams that passed on him regret that decision in much the same way that the teams that passed on Rodgers do.

And I hate that I have to say this, but I am not comparing him to Rodgers (just their (potential) situation), nor am I claiming he will be as good as Rodgers.
 
rmartin65 said:
Well... Rodgers was being talked about as the potential first overall, then dropped out of the top 10. I expect that should the same happen to Bridgewater, he will make the teams that passed on him regret that decision in much the same way that the teams that passed on Rodgers do.

And I hate that I have to say this, but I am not comparing him to Rodgers (just their (potential) situation), nor am I claiming he will be as good as Rodgers.
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FWIW Rodgers dropped primarily because many thought he was Tedford system QB and being a JC transfer also worked against Rodgers. Up until Rodgers came along Tedford QBs were a disappointment.
 
Sounds like a bold proclamation to make IMO. I think of the top 3 QBs this draft Bridgewater has the least concerns on and off the field. To me though I think he might have a higher ceiling, reminds me of Matt Ryan in terms of high floor, but not sure about the distance between the floor and ceiling. I think he's easily most NFL ready prospect in this QB class.

However....if he DOES make this drop...at what spot do the Texans start to consider jumping back into the first for him?
 
Bridgewater is the most likely to fall because there is nothing about him physically that stands out.

Manziel has his scrambling ability, Bortles has his size. Bridgewater is average size, average arm, but he is very cerebral. Ahead of the game mentally.

The reason guys like Logan Thomas are always drafted too early is the same reason guys like Bridgewater fall. Coaches always feel they can bring Thomas up to Bridgewater's level mentally, and they know they can't bring Bridgewater up to Thomas' level physically.
 
bah007 said:
Bridgewater is the most likely to fall because there is nothing about him physically that stands out.

Manziel has his scrambling ability, Bortles has his size. Bridgewater is average size, average arm, but he is very cerebral. Ahead of the game mentally.

The reason guys like Logan Thomas are always drafted too early is the same reason guys like Bridgewater fall. Coaches always feel they can bring Thomas up to Bridgewater's level mentally, and they know they can't bring Bridgewater up to Thomas' level physically.
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A coaches fatal flaw?
 
jradMIT said:
A coaches fatal flaw?
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Just watch. Thomas has the film of an UDFA and the body of a 1st rounder. He will be drafted in the first four rounds. Some coach will convince his GM that I'm the guy who can fix him, and they will roll the dice.

On the flip side, a guy like Aaron Murray, who I think will have a long career as a backup QB (while Thomas never takes a NFL snap), will fall to the 5th round.
 
A very similar pattern of behavior has developed among a majority of the media pretend scouts and talking hairdos. Much like they all spent a year in the tank for Reggie Bush and were touting him with every chance they got for 15 months, they're doing exactly the same thing with Teddy Bridgewater.
 
bah007 said:
Bridgewater is the most likely to fall because there is nothing about him physically that stands out.

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I don't think there's anything special about him at all. Had he put up the numbers he did in a major conference at a major program.... sure. If he were Big Ben's size I could see him in the 8~13 range.

I know many here think he's a day one starter... I'm not seeing it. His feet are ok, but nowhere near perfect. That & his reads are going have to be worked on at the next level. I don't like the way he holds the ball before the throw, I think his delivery is too slow..... not quite a wind up, but close, giving the defense too much time to recognize & react.

He did put the ball in some tight windows. His arm is stronger than you'd think. His ball placement shows that he has a good understanding of the concept.

I'm not as high on his "feel in the pocket" as some.

To be fair... I'm not high on any of the "top 3" QBs in this draft.
 
Texian said:
A very similar pattern of behavior has developed among a majority of the media pretend scouts and talking hairdos. Much like they all spent a year in the tank for Reggie Bush and were touting him with every chance they got for 15 months, they're doing exactly the same thing with Teddy Bridgewater.
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Huh? Yeah, yeah because ESPN has write ups on why Bridgewater is lauding Russell Wilson for being a guy "paving the way for short QBs" or when he makes comments about he'll make the Texans "regret passing on him" or when he he turns face as say how "cool it would be for the Texans to pick him #1 overall" or make a big deal about how of the Big 3 QBs on the draft board he's got the biggest hands surprisingly.

Oh yeah, that's right. That's not the Bridgewater hype. That's the Manziel hype.

:kitten:
 
Texian said:
A very similar pattern of behavior has developed among a majority of the media pretend scouts and talking hairdos. Much like they all spent a year in the tank for Reggie Bush and were touting him with every chance they got for 15 months, they're doing exactly the same thing with Teddy Bridgewater.
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I'm not denying that Bridgewater has received a ton of pub, but Manziel is clearly the guy most comparable to Bush in that regard this year. People have been all over his jock and refuse to believe that his game has any limitations, much like what happened with Bush.
 
bah007 said:
I'm not denying that Bridgewater has received a ton of pub, but Manziel is clearly the guy most comparable to Bush in that regard this year. People have been all over his jock and refuse to believe that his game has any limitations, much like what happened with Bush.
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I dunno about that, I feel like Manziel's weaknesses have been covered pretty well by the media and by scouts.
 
bah007 said:
I'm not denying that Bridgewater has received a ton of pub, but Manziel is clearly the guy most comparable to Bush in that regard this year. People have been all over his jock and refuse to believe that his game has any limitations, much like what happened with Bush.
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I have been seeing it too, when McClain was on the nfl network talking about the texans. The commentators immediately roll tape of Manziel, and the whole conversation is Manziel at one, no mention or tape of Bortles or Bridgewater. I understand though he is the story.
 
bah007 said:
Just watch. Thomas has the film of an UDFA and the body of a 1st rounder. He will be drafted in the first four rounds. Some coach will convince his GM that I'm the guy who can fix him, and they will roll the dice.

On the flip side, a guy like Aaron Murray, who I think will have a long career as a backup QB (while Thomas never takes a NFL snap), will fall to the 5th round.
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Yeah, I can't stress what I have seen enough. Thomas is a terrible quarterback.
 
bah007 said:
I'm not denying that Bridgewater has received a ton of pub, but Manziel is clearly the guy most comparable to Bush in that regard this year. People have been all over his jock and refuse to believe that his game has any limitations, much like what happened with Bush.
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I could agree with you about Manziel in the Texas media. Outside of Texas a majority of the Manziel talk has been negative.
 
bah007 said:
...On the flip side, a guy like Aaron Murray, who I think will have a long career as a backup QB (while Thomas never takes a NFL snap), will fall to the 5th round.
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Love Aaron Murray.

jradMIT said:
I have been seeing it too, when McClain was on the nfl network talking about the texans...
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McClain thinks he is JFF's BFF... zero objectivity and should be ignored in this matter.
 
BigB0iFresh said:
God Im tired of the "cross-dresser" crap
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No one should be forced to cross dress for any class even partially funded by taxpayers (ie ALL Universities). It is a violation of his rights. But Liberals don't mind stepping all over your rights as long as you don't step on their's.
 
Marshall said:
No one should be forced to cross dress for any class even partially funded by taxpayers (ie ALL Universities). It is a violation of his rights. But Liberals don't mind stepping all over your rights as long as you don't step on their's.
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Nice rant. It was volunteer.
 
Texian said:
A very similar pattern of behavior has developed among a majority of the media pretend scouts and talking hairdos. Much like they all spent a year in the tank for Reggie Bush and were touting him with every chance they got for 15 months, they're doing exactly the same thing with Teddy Bridgewater.
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Lol, not even close to accurate. The only reason Bortles is in the conversation for the texans is b/c of media hype. Noone even knew who this kid was before this year & now all of a sudden he's being considered for 1:1?

Won't even go into the ESPN machine Manziel hype....
 
Mr teX said:
Lol, not even close to accurate. The only reason Bortles is in the conversation for the texans is b/c of media hype. Noone even knew who this kid was before this year & now all of a sudden he's being considered for 1:1?

Won't even go into the ESPN machine Manziel hype....
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If not for the 6 degrees of separation for Bill O'Brien..... I don't think we'd be talking about him.
 
You can't really listen to any talking heads, they have a narrative they need to put out to get eyeballs. You can only trust the tape and your own eyes, everything else must come with a grain of salt especially from non scouts or anonymous sources.
 
Mr teX said:
Lol, not even close to accurate. The only reason Bortles is in the conversation for the texans is b/c of media hype. Noone even knew who this kid was before this year & now all of a sudden he's being considered for 1:1?

Won't even go into the ESPN machine Manziel hype....
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That's not entirely accurate. I was aware of him as far back as last year as were many scouts. I had him ranked as an early 2nd round pick during this season.

You are correct though that his stock shot through the roof toward the end of the year because of media hype. However, if this draft had a more prototypical QB ranked at the top then you wouldn't see as much Bortles hype. He's raw and, IMO, he needed another year in college. That said, Bridgewater and Manziel are not prototypes hence the hype around a guy like Bortles who looks the part.
 
WolverineFan said:
That's not entirely accurate. I was aware of him as far back as last year as were many scouts. I had him ranked as an early 2nd round pick during this season.

You are correct though that his stock shot through the roof toward the end of the year because of media hype. However, if this draft had a more prototypical QB ranked at the top then you wouldn't see as much Bortles hype. He's raw and, IMO, he needed another year in college. That said, Bridgewater and Manziel are not prototypes hence the hype around a guy like Bortles who looks the part.
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thought this was Bridgewater thread? hahaha, Bortles gives me no wow factor whatsoever, I would be sick if Texans selected him to be the guy :specnatz:
 
beerlover said:
thought this was Bridgewater thread? hahaha, Bortles gives me no wow factor whatsoever, I would be sick if Texans selected him to be the guy :specnatz:
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He's raw. Needs a redshirt year. I'd prefer Bridgewater, but I could handle Bortles if you bring in a vet to keep him on the bench for a year. Do not want Manziel. It's not personal with him, he's a great college player. But I don't see his game translating at all.
 
WolverineFan said:
He's raw. Needs a redshirt year. I'd prefer Bridgewater, but I could handle Bortles if you bring in a vet to keep him on the bench for a year.
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This seems to be the general consensus and the parroting of most of the pretend scouts, media and talking hairdos.
 
WolverineFan said:
That's not entirely accurate. I was aware of him as far back as last year as were many scouts. I had him ranked as an early 2nd round pick during this season.

You are correct though that his stock shot through the roof toward the end of the year because of media hype. However, if this draft had a more prototypical QB ranked at the top then you wouldn't see as much Bortles hype. He's raw and, IMO, he needed another year in college. That said, Bridgewater and Manziel are not prototypes hence the hype around a guy like Bortles who looks the part.
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Ehh, probably overstated my case there a little...there's no doubt some knew who he was...but most of those were the draftnik types....like you. I'm a U of H grad & I remember seeing Bortles before all the hype in that game.

I distinctly remember saying something to myself along the lines of "he's terrible".
 
Texian said:
This seems to be the general consensus and the parroting of most of the pretend scouts, media and talking hairdos.
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For any of these guys, it depends on the OC/QB coach & how they go about developing their QB. I wouldn't have started Russell Wilson, or RG3 as early as they did, but since their coach made it easy for them.... they excelled.

If you want him (or any of the guys "projected" at the top of this draft) to play & look like an NFL QB, they're going to need time on the bench, spot duty here & there. No hate, Bridgewater may be closer than the other two, but it's going to be a huge jump in talent level compared to what he's used to playing against.
 
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