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Teddy Bridgewater
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stingray
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Yep...thats why i take him and his opinion as a joke. The guy has some issues.
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Teddy Bridgewater is most comparable to which prior NFL prospects???
http://mockdraftable.com/player_embed/4338/
http://mockdraftable.com/player_embed/4338/
Hey Mods.... we need to take the MSR thing off of Playoffs for a few weeks.
Dude's working overtime.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Amusing, JFF and bortles are interesting too.
Fwiw Bortles has the most favourable comps.
The Pencil Neck
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Texian
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There's a BIG difference;
Four months ago Blake Bortles wasn't in the discussion, 4 months ago Bortles was going to back to school, 4 months ago the 90% of the pretend scouts, media and talking hairdos had been in the tank for Teddy for well over 8 months, the other 10% were madly in love Johnny Football.
but then....Oct 18, 2013....Louisville KY....w/ 7:52 left in 3rd Quarter
Louisville led UCF 28-7
The Results: UCF 38 - Louisville 35,.....ending with a Blake Bortles GAME WINNING DRIVE
and then....
UCF goes 12-1, League Champion, Goes to a FCS Bowl, WINS despite being the largest underdog in FCS Bowl history.
and then.......Bortles declares for the NFL DRAFT, nothing left to prove in college.
and the pretend scouts, media and talking hairdos group think and talking points begin, Teddy plays in Pro Offense, TB is more ready, TB can start day 1, BB is raw, BB inexperienced, BB will have to sit on the bench for a year.
Truth is none of what the pretend scouts, media and talking hairdos say about Bortles is true. Why the group think and talking points. They had locked on to Teddy had been for almost a year. Didn't do their homework. Didn't want to admit they had jumped the gun. Didn't want to admit they were wrong. Come May 4th the 90% will have shrunk substantially.
I want to hear what 76Texans has to say about these QBs. He must be neck deep in game film.
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Yeah I spitlol'd on that one, too.
leebigeztx
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Yeah, probably will come back and try to convince us keenum is the guy. Btw, clowney ran a 7.27 in the 3 cone which was 9th among dl. As I've said b4, clowney is an explosive ,straight line athlete. Can't bend or change direction. Nothing freakish about a straight line guy.
Texian
Hall of Fame
The fact that he avoided the tackling dummie and bag drills tends to agree with your assessments. I think there is a reason he ONLY played with his hand in the dirt.
TexansFTW
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Every team needs this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZao5t7Gs6M
Arrogance. If you want the fastest car on the street why waste your time buying a Civic and modding it to become comparable to a Corvette. Why not just buy the Vette?
He is not. Let's not get too overly excited about 1 guys tweets. I've seen a lot of guys 'in the know' not actually know nearly as much as they thought that they did.
TexansFTW
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ESPN is National. They don't broadcast SportsCenters purely targeted at Texas. ESPN has been the central story teller here. Not a couple beat writer's Tweets.
90% ? Clowney was the #1 pick after he blew up that Michigan RB in 2012. Not TB. You talk about people getting false information from pretend scouts and talking hairdos, yet YOU quote THEIR Tweets more than anyone when they are favorable to your argument.
No one is denying Bortles has the potential to be great. But I remember you calling him Andrew Luck earlier. Andrew Luck ran a 4.5 (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-02-26/andrew-lucks-matches-cam-newtons-40-time), NOT a 4.93. You can't call everyone a fake when they disagree then give yourself a reprieve every time you make something up.
Nice Try.... Nolan Nawrocki.
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Texian
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Speaking of making something up, let's try and get it right, Luck's official 40 was 4.66 NOT 4.5. So yes, over the course of a 40 yd sprint Andrew Luck is a step faster than Blake Bortles. So, Bortles still runs a lot like Luck he's only a step slower at doing it.
jradMIT
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Its just a dream scenario I have in my mind. If you gauged the temperature in the room, i.e. the news chatter, reports, articles, mock drafts, talking heads etc, Bortles and Manziel would more likely be headed to Houston than Teddy. But what I find very interesting are the polls thunderkyss has put up about the pick and which QB is the best for next year. Bridgewater is the clear favorite in both. You would think it woud be less clear with what is being said and thrown around. However, Teddy has the stronger following which leads me to believe there is no way he makes it past 4 and that he is still the favorite for 1-1. Despite Bortles being coached by OB's mentor, (which I never understood as a real factor) or Manziel's groundswell of local support (which I think is just as irrelevant), or Bridgewater not running or throwing (irrelevant as well), the tape from what most have seen say Bridgewater. He is probably the most likely not to fall and most likely to be the highest drafted.
Now that is not to prognosticate and say it is so or to deprecate other opinions, is just an assessment of the likelihood of it all. When it comes down to it, a coach is gonna want the guy least likely to get him fired. Some might see that as drastically different than most likely to win the super bowl, in my mind there a lot closer than most would think.
Texian
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Group Think! Following the Herd! Sheep! Flavor of the Day.
jradMIT
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This is not group think, I came to my decision like many others from digesting the information on my own, going through scouting reports watching film. It not as if we sat in the same room. You might say that if this guy was the most popular in the media which he is not, or the most famous on TMZ which he isn't. So would it be group think if there a poll for best WR on the team and Dre got 99% of the votes?
Mr teX
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Dude, don't waste your time. Any opinion contrary to his man love for Bortles that says TB is better than his boy is considered to be derived from this mythical ESPN hype he says TB has gotten since last year. It couldn't possibly be the game tape and or anything else...
The reality is the other 2 candidates have received incrementally more hype than TB throughout this whole process.
I like LZ and Clanton's view of Bortles...they called him the minivan of qb's.
jradMIT
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When I was discussing the polls, it was not a statement that this guy is better than this guy, but more of an assessment of what is the likeliest thing to happen.
WolverineFan
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More than one step I would bet. If you watched the combine coverage on Monday then you saw the Clowney/Manziel simulcam forty-yard dash.
Clowney ran .15 faster than Manziel and beat him by about 3 steps. Luck was faster than Bortles by .27 so I'd say he's 5 steps slower, not just one.
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Luck threw a ball 70 yards against the wind with those big 10 inch mitts .
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jradMIT
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Bortles isn't really supposed to be a dual threat QB in any sense. He keeps the play alive with his legs to throw. The Baylor game was an aberration 93 yds, check his game log, Rushing totals -2, 22, 5, 5, 1, 16, 26, -10, 63, 32, -14, 31. His 40 time is irrelevant unless you expect him to drastically change his game. His game is Roethlisberger's.
TexansFTW
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It's gonna be funny when TB runs a faster 40 than JFF at his pro day. What will people say then?
He's going to have decent size, good speed, good arm strength, above average ball placement, excellent decision making, excellent football IQ/understanding of the game and what/where/when things need to be done, but people will still knock him for something.
That's what I look for in a QB. Get the ball to your playmakers, they can always run faster and avoid tackles better than you can, and almost always much easier to replace. He's definitely being touted as a dual threat QB though, check out the Bortles thread.
He's going to have decent size, good speed, good arm strength, above average ball placement, excellent decision making, excellent football IQ/understanding of the game and what/where/when things need to be done, but people will still knock him for something.
That's what I look for in a QB. Get the ball to your playmakers, they can always run faster and avoid tackles better than you can, and almost always much easier to replace. He's definitely being touted as a dual threat QB though, check out the Bortles thread.
TexansSeminole
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They are going to say that it doesn't matter much. Bridgewater doesn't run unless absolutely necessary. There is no real reason to compare Bridgewater's speed to Manziel's speed. Manziel's speed will be compared to other QBs that use their running ability as a large part of their game (Cam Newton, Kaepernick, etc). He doesn't compare all that favorably to those guys in regards to speed.
bah007
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Says the guy who searches twitter for other people's opinion so that he can find his opinion...
Texian
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0.01 of sec is half step. A full step is is approx 3 yds. Clowney beat Manziel by almost a full step.
Texian
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and he's also the guy that has 3 DVR and records over a dozen college games every week and the reason he searches out others opinions is because he knows he's not the smartest guy in the room. My Bortles evaluation was 100% on my own but it was based on the Bill Walsh and Bill Belichick reasoning of GAME WINNING DRIVE QBs.
bah007
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Where you seem to miss is that you think it impossible for a large group of people to study the same subject and come up with the same answer.
I have a lot of respect for Bortles. He is my #2 QB this year. Bridgewater is my #1. I did my own research and formed my own opinion. It just so happens that a lot of people hold that same opinion after also doing their own research.
Did some people just so happen to see that Bridgewater was considered the top guy and decide to jump on board without making their own decision? Certainly. Did a lot of people do the same exact thing with Bortles when he started to gain steam during the second half of this season? Certainly.
Having a different opinion than the majority doesn't mean that you aren't the one falling victim to the flavor of the day.
Mr teX
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being contrarian just to be contrarian rather than seeing things for what they are. Projecting a little too much based on a guys potential is what he seems to be doing.
Texian
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Speaking of missing ....you do know that herd mentality and group think is generally wrong don't you?
I'm just thinking and projecting in much the same way Bill Walsh and Bill Belichick did when they drafted Joe Montana and Tom Brady respectively.
Part of the reason I was personally upset TB didn't run his 40 at the combine was because I thought he'd at least be close to Manziel.
I said this about Manziel even before he ran his 40, but he didn't look extremely fast to me. He had good speed, but I thought he looked quicker than fast.
I thought straight ahead speed, Manziel and TB looked comparable. Really I think TB is underrated as an athlete because he didn't do all the running around all over the place. But I think when he needs to he demonstrates that he is a really athletic QB.
bah007
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Yes I do.
But if a bunch of people agree that 2+2=4 that doesn't mean it's 5. Sometimes the majority just so happens to be right.
The answer is what matters, not how many people come up with it. Not every majority decision came about by group think. Sometimes people do their own homework and just so happen to agree.
Mr teX
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That's a copout...The one trademark the Bill's had/have in common was that their draft philosophy was/is fluid. They never went in looking for a specific position, they went in looking for football players that contribute to the team, rather than just collecting talented guys who don't really fit.
& you need to go brush up on their philosophies bud....He was reasonable with his projection of potential about Brady..which is why he waited as long as he did to draft him. You seem to using pie in the sky projections for Bortles' potential based on a few comeback drives.
"Belichick stated plainly that Brady was not a phenomenal athlete by any stretch of the imagination, and the fact that he was not a full-time starter in his senior year at Michigan was enough to give him pause."
"The thing with Brady was really the traits: his work ethic, his intelligence, his decision-making," Belichick said. "I think a lot of the draft process is [about] not where the player is right now, but where the player will be a year from now, or where he'll be two calendar years from now.
"I don't think I've ever seen a player improve as much as Tom did. That's certainly a big credit to his work ethic and his determination."
http://nesn.com/2010/04/bill-belichick-reveals-secrets-of-drafting-tom-brady-opens-up-in-nfl-network-interview/
Sounds like he's describing Teddy to me....:shrugs:
The Pencil Neck
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There's a difference between herd mentality, group think, and a consensus.
With a herd mentality, one or two people say something and then their herd believes them and follows along. That would be like Mel Kiper saying something and then people who follow Mel Kiper saying and believing it because it was handed down from Mel Kiper.
With group think, you start off with a group of people who want to conform to the group and so to minimize conflict, they come to some conclusion and don't look for other alternatives.
With a consensus, you have a group of people who all come to the same conclusion.
Even with a herd mentality or with groupthink, they're not necessarily wrong just because they're not thinking for themselves. They MIGHT be wrong, but they're not necessarily wrong.
And even if everyone looks at the data and a large majority come to the same conclusion, they're not necessarily right. They might be right but they're not necessarily right.
When it comes to Bridgewater or Manziel or Bortles or even Clowney or Robinson, there are probably elements of each. Some people are calling for Bridgewater because they have someone they follow who's calling for Bridgewater, and some because they want to fit in, and some because they came to the conclusion themselves.
I agree, not a real factor. OB may have more information about the kid than the others because of his relationship with O'Leary, but that doesn't mean even O'Leary would chose Bortles over Manziel, or Bridgewater, or Connor Shaw.
Remember when Pete Carol could have picked up Lienart for a song? He decided to spend a shtload of money on a guy he never worked with before & draft a guy with the deck stacked against him.
O'Leary may very well be telling OB that Bortles has already played his best game. Or that he had to dumb down the offense, or that he can't throw to his left to save his life. Who knows?
TexansSeminole
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More like 2 or 3 Manziel steps, but whatever you say.
You're saying that people take a step every .02 seconds when running full speed? Your math doesn't add up. If a half a step is .01, a full step is .02. Clowney was .15 faster. By your math, Clowney was 7.5 steps faster.
Texian
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So if he wasn't a good athlete and only a part time sstarter, what caught Belichick's eye? I suggest it is in YOUR best interest to watch the video in it's entirety. Much more informing than bits and pieces from a mag article describing it. While your at, A Football Life: Bill Belichick, would also be helpful to you.
Texian
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Of the 30 or so who voted for Teddy, maybe two or three have done a complete and full due diligence on the top 5 QBs by watching more than 5 full games of each QB. The rest of herd are going on what they've have heard and then parrot what their favorite talking hairdo says and like.
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Texian
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error on my part. what I meant to say is a 1/10th (not 100th) of sec is on avg equivalent to approximately a half step to a full step faster. A full step is on avg approx. 4+ yds. The video shows Clowney approx 3-4 yds ahead of Manziel at the finish line, a step, step and half ahead. Of course there are variables of how fast someone is running and how long their stride is, some of the taller runners cover the 40 yds in only 20 steps or at 6 yds a clip. For a basic general comparison a 4.5 vs a 4.6 is a half step to a step faster.
The Pencil Neck
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And you're going to accuse someone like Bah007, who does tons of his own research on the draft, of herd mentality or groupthink? You're going to assume that anyone who's for Bridgewater didn't do their due diligence? Maybe you should ask jradMIT if he's actually watched any tape before you jump to the conclusion that he hasn't.
TexansFTW
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4+ yards is 12+ feet. Absolutely not taken in a full step or single stride. A sprinters stride at best is going to be around 3 feet. This article points more towards 30 inches (2.5 feet) based on a 6' tall man. Just look at yourself and pretend you are sprinting. Are your strides 12 feet apart or closer to 3 (1 yard)?
I think you were trying to say feet the whole time. Regardless, Bortles is not a 'half step' slower than Luck.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/438560-the-average-stride-length-in-running/
stingray
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What a joke, I didn't see his direct quote since I have him on ignore. But I guess he's assuming that people don't watch film on these three Qb's because they don't post everytime they have a thought on them.
I haven't posted my opinions a whole lot on Bortles, manziel or teddy but I have watched a lot of their games, not all of them but at least 5 on each. And I have read every article that comes out when it relates to any of them. But I guess I have to come in and blast everbody that doesn't agree with me to make me an expert.
Texian
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"So yes, over the course of a 40 yd sprint Andrew Luck is a step faster than Blake Bortles. So, Bortles still runs a lot like Luck he's only a step, step and half slower at doing it.
jradMIT
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I watched 4 games of Manziel, Bridgewater, and Bortles, 2 games of Carr. I'm not sure how you can arrive at such a conclusion when clearly Bridgewater is the least talked about guy. It's actually not so hard to make an opinion each game is like 10 min, it's real easy to see what they can and cannot do.
The thing I noticed about Teddy is that you could see his head moving around going thru progressions. One of the most telling plays is when a guys goes through all his progressions to the check down. With Bortles his head seldom moved from where he was looking initially and when he moved his head it was usually by design, ie looking off the safety to throw the post, he only did it when it was predetermined. Teddy threw receivers open much Better especially around the line of scrimmage. He was far more accurate especially on the run. He had poor deep ball accuracy, everything else was on the money. Bortles fumbled a lot. Do I need to go on?
