Manziel

[HoustonFrog]

looks like he might be leaning towards Bortles then?

If that be the case, dangle that #1 pick in front of Cleveland, drop back a few slots and pick up some extra picks...

worst case scenario, Texans have their pick of Bortles, Bridgewater or Clowney at #4 spot...

I think Bortles and if not he can move back, take D and then get a guy like Mettenberger from LSU or the Logan Thomas kid from Va Tech. They fit his style. I guess you then start Keenum after cutting Schaub. Not sure that goes into the "win now" philosophy but it makes sense.

 

[Say Watt]

Johnny Freaking Football lost to every ranked SEC team he played this year. He didn't beat a single SEC team that had a winning conference record. They finished 7th in the conference. He had to do a major come-from-behind to beat Duke in a bowl game. D-U-K-E.

Who cares about stats if he can't win the games that matter?

He sure does look purdy though beating up on SHSU and UTEP...

Look at where A&M's defense ranks in the most important category. Hint: they aren't on page 1. Team Scoring Defense

You're a fool if you think "Johnny Freaking Football" was the reason they lost to every ranked SEC team. If you did more than look at the final score of the Duke game, you'd also have seen how atrocious his defense was in that game, and it took some serious leadership abilities to bring his team back.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

seconded

and it does not

 

[Dutchrudder]

You cannot pass up on that play making potential. People underrate him because of his off field problems (fake controversy drummed up by mindless media like espn) but he is russell wilson 2.0

The white Michael Vick.

The talent is there. The production is there against elite college football competition. You cannot pass up on that kind of upside/potential.

 

[thunderkyss]

how you figure?

michael vick was spectacular in college making similar spectacular plays. He did the same thing in the NFL until he lost his way.

You cant be possibly saying that Manziel will run a criminal underground dog fighting operation can you?

Michael Vick is still a pretty good QB. The dog fighting thing took him out of the NFL for a while, but he's never stopped being a viable NFL QB... There were injury concerns & injury pretty much screwed him last year

 

[thunderkyss]

Players I would take before Manziel

Bridgewater
Clowney
J.Mathews
Mack
G. Robinson
Barr
Bortles
Watkins
Carr
Mosley
Dennard
Lee
Lewman

and maybe M. Evans and Kouandjio

Then, maybe if I'm feeling gutsy, I draft the local kid to sell some tickets.

I don't understand the Carr love. All he's got is size & arm. Other than that, he's a project. Doesn't make sense he's a first round prospect but guys like Murray & Boyd are 3rd rounders at best. Mettenberger's got a knee issue. If that clears up by draft time, as far as being able to play in 2014, it would make more sense to me that he'd be taken before Carr.

 

[sandman]

annnnd Texas A&M's 85th ranked defense had nooooothing to do with those loses?

You hang 40+ on a team and lose, that isn't on the QB. You give up 5 TDs in the first 5 possessions to
D-U-K-E, has nothing to do with the QB....

Can't hang the problems of a horrible A&M defense on Manziel's shoulders when Manziel has no control of that matter. That falls on Sumlin...

nice try, thanks for playing...

Throws two INT in each game against Alabama and Auburn, with QBR's below 80.0 in both games, and it's Sumlin's fault? I will give you these because the defense did give up a lot of points.

Scoring only 10 points against LSU, going 16-41 with 2 INT and a QBR below 15.0 was Sumlin's fault?

Only 1 TD throw against Mizzou with a QBR below 50.0 was Sumlin's fault?

BTW, the Aggie defense gave up two of it lowest point totals against SEC teams in these games against LSU and Mizzou when Johnny played so spectacularly.

Poor JFF. He would be the greatest ever if not for Sumlin...

 

[sandman]

Look at where A&M's defense ranks in the most important category. Hint: they aren't on page 1. Team Scoring Defense

You're a fool if you think "Johnny Freaking Football" was the reason they lost to every ranked SEC team. If you did more than look at the final score of the Duke game, you'd also have seen how atrocious his defense was in that game, and it took some serious leadership abilities to bring his team back.

Go ahead and check his stat line and QBR in those end of season back to back losses to LSU and Mizzou and get back with me on how that was all on the defense...

 

[htownfan32]

My Bevo-dar is going off...

You're throwing out meaningless stats. Other than the LSU game Manziel performed well in all of them. Watch tape instead of just saying "well this happened or that happened." I was there for every single game Manziel played in. I'll tell you that he wasn't the reason we lost.

 

[Lord Bills]

anybody catch first take this morning?

Stephen A Smith absolutely crushed bill o brien for saying he questions manziel's work ethic.

He absolutely ethered o brien's baseless accusations.

Skip said that Nick Saban said he has never in all of his years coaching football come across a competitor like Manziel.

I dont understand why we cant just judge manziel on what he does on the football field.

Sounds to me like obrien made that take without any evidence whatsoever and just wanted to pollute the air. Stephen A said it best, if you dont like johnny football as a player, just say that. Dont make baseless accusations like he doesnt believe in his work ethic just to slander the guy.

Im telling you right now, passing up on that kind of talent and potential will haunt the texans.

It will be randy moss 2.0 all over again.

 

[2slik4u]

anybody catch first take this morning?

Stephen A Smith absolutely crushed bill o brien for saying he questions manziel's work ethic.

He absolutely ethered o brien's baseless accusations.

Skip said that Nick Saban said he has never in all of his years coaching football come across a competitor like Manziel.

I dont understand why we cant just judge manziel on what he does on the football field.

Sounds to me like obrien made that take without any evidence whatsoever and just wanted to pollute the air. Stephen A said it best, if you dont like johnny football as a player, just say that. Dont make baseless accusations like he doesnt believe in his work ethic just to slander the guy.

Im telling you right now, passing up on that kind of talent and potential will haunt the texans.

It will be randy moss 2.0 all over again.

Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless are complete Ass clowns and should never be used to back up your argument. ESPN's first take is literally the laughing stock of all sports talk shows.

Part of me feels as if Im speaking with Manziel's father which if I am...Im sorry sir...no disrespect. Your son is a fine athlete but you should have spanked his ass a few more times when he was younger.

 

[Lord Bills]

Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless are complete Ass clowns and should never be used to back up your argument. ESPN's first take is literally the laughing stock of all sports talk shows.

Part of me feels as if Im speaking with Manziel's father which if I am...Im sorry sir...no disrespect. Your son is a fine athlete but you should have spanked his ass a few more times when he was younger.

everybody loves to denigrate and clown on skip and stephen a yet they have the most popular sports debate show in the morning and everybody knows them. LOL at the laughing stock of all sports talk shows. Talk about overstating. Everybody always tries to trivialize that show yet they are on the biggest sports network and they have a huge fanbase.

but you say they are a laughing stock of all sports talk shows? LOL please.

Everybody watches them and so do you.

And i dont get the whole he's a bad dude, no work ethic slag on Manziel.

Did he rape anybody? Did he murder? Did he rob someone? Did he assault someone? Did he say something racial or derogatory?

What did Manizel really do to get that reputation? Or are we just exaggerating and blowing things out of proportion some harmless hard partying that Manziel did?

Check his film. Check his competition. Check what the other experts are saying. Lets see what he does in the combine and compare all of that vs the other QBs.

 

[infantrycak]

It will be randy moss 2.0 all over again.

Love how you avoid the much more analogous and obvious comparison - it will be Vince Young 2.0 all over again.

But since you go with Randy Moss for some inexplicable reason, how many SB rings does Randy have?

Now how many rings for teams that passed on him (which doesn't include the Texans since they didn't exist)? - that would be 10.

So what's your point?

everybody loves to denigrate and clown on skip and stephen a yet they have the most popular sports debate show in the morning and everybody knows them.

That's because imbeciles need entertainment too.

 

[bah007]

I don't like Johnny Manziel as a player.

He has some fixable issues but a lot of my issues with him cannot or probably just will not be fixed.

I don't like his size. I don't think height is as important as most people do but it is still an issue. He is too reliant on his legs. He got better at this in his second year but his legs are still his primary weapon instead of his arm. He relies far too much on improvisation and doesn't stay on schedule. He won't be able to out-athlete everybody at the next level and will need to learn how to stay within the concept of the designed play instead of turning three out of every five plays into backyard football.

He throws off of his back foot far too often. He consistently makes dangerous throws into coverage or down the middle of the field because he knows his WRs are bigger and stronger than the defenders, something he may not have in the NFL.

He plays in a glorified high school offense with basically zero mental responsibility from the QB. All the calls, protections, and adjustments are called from the sideline. Nothing about his offense cleanly translates to the NFL, and nothing in his offense has prepared him for the NFL. You will be starting from scratch. I do believe that he has the mental capacity to learn a NFL system, but it is still an issue.

I think that his style of play will need to be adapted to the NFL, thus you may not be getting the same prospect he was in college. I believe his current style of play will lead to a few good/great years at best but not long term success. I'm not comfortable with spending the #1 overall pick on a guy who's style of play does not lend itself to long term success. You could alter his style of play. But I'm not comfortable spending the #1 pick on a prospect that you have to fundamentally alter.

For me, Manziel's absolute best case scenario is Jeff Garcia. With all the things standing in the way of him becoming that, I'm not comfortable taking him #1 overall.

 

[Showtime100]

everybody loves to denigrate and clown on skip and stephen a yet they have the most popular sports debate show in the morning and everybody knows them. LOL at the laughing stock of all sports talk shows. Talk about overstating. Everybody always tries to trivialize that show yet they are on the biggest sports network and they have a huge fanbase.

but you say they are a laughing stock of all sports talk shows? LOL please.

Everybody watches them and so do you.

And i dont get the whole he's a bad dude, no work ethic slag on Manziel.

Did he rape anybody? Did he murder? Did he rob someone? Did he assault someone? Did he say something racial or derogatory?

What did Manizel really do to get that reputation? Or are we just exaggerating and blowing things out of proportion some harmless hard partying that Manziel did?

Check his film. Check his competition. Check what the other experts are saying. Lets see what he does in the combine and compare all of that vs the other QBs.

I'd buy they are the laughing stock of the sports world, sure. It's the worst sport show I can think of ever. Well, a tie for 1st with PTI and ATH. Haven't seen any of those show in well over a year.

If I'm trying to take a point, I'll pass on using Bayless or Smith, thank you.

 

[Lord Bills]

Love how you avoid the much more analogous and obvious comparison - it will be Vince Young 2.0 all over again.

But since you go with Randy Moss for some inexplicable reason, how many SB rings does Randy have?

Now how many rings for teams that passed on him (which doesn't include the Texans since they didn't exist)? - that would be 10.

So what's your point?

That's because imbeciles need entertainment too.

Having superbowl rings is beside the point. The point is you dont pass up on that kind of talent because of some harmless bad publicity.

the point is Randy Moss was passed on because of his off field problems which were a lot worse than Manziel yet Moss had a great career and if you redid the draft with everything you now know, Moss would have been drafted much sooner.

Winning the superbowl is beside the point. You cant win a superbowl on your own. Too many other variables. What you take away is that Moss was a great nfl player who will be going to the hall of fame because he had a great career.

The vince young comparison i dont get. Is Manziel gonna try to commit suicide like young? Why is it that when you compare you look for the worst comparison? As if Manziel cant get the benefit of the doubt. People always hope for the worst possible scenario and use that as their ceiling instead of giving the player the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Lord Bills]

I'd buy they are the laughing stock of the sports world, sure. It's the worst sport show I can think of ever. Well, a tie for 1st with PTI and ATH. Haven't seen any of those show in well over a year.

If I'm trying to take a point, I'll pass on using Bayless or Smith, thank you.

are you people serious?

Around the Horn, PTI, first take are all great entertaining shows that millions of sports fans watch.

Name me a better sports alternative on television.

lol at laughing stock. These dudes get paid and are on the biggest sports network in america and they have millions of fans and viewers yet you people bash them as if there are some other sports shows on tv doing better than them.

Name me some sports show on television that are bigger and better than those shows.

lol i cant wait for your answers.

 

[Lord Bills]

I don't like Johnny Manziel as a player.

He has some fixable issues but a lot of my issues with him cannot or probably just will not be fixed.

I don't like his size. I don't think height is as important as most people do but it is still an issue. He is too reliant on his legs. He got better at this in his second year but his legs are still his primary weapon instead of his arm. He relies far too much on improvisation and doesn't stay on schedule. He won't be able to out-athlete everybody at the next level and will need to learn how to stay within the concept of the designed play instead of turning three out of every five plays into backyard football.

He throws off of his back foot far too often. He consistently makes dangerous throws into coverage or down the middle of the field because he knows his WRs are bigger and stronger than the defenders, something he may not have in the NFL.

He plays in a glorified high school offense with basically zero mental responsibility from the QB. All the calls, protections, and adjustments are called from the sideline. Nothing about his offense cleanly translates to the NFL, and nothing in his offense has prepared him for the NFL. You will be starting from scratch. I do believe that he has the mental capacity to learn a NFL system, but it is still an issue.

I think that his style of play will need to be adapted to the NFL, thus you may not be getting the same prospect he was in college. I believe his current style of play will lead to a few good/great years at best but not long term success. I'm not comfortable with spending the #1 overall pick on a guy who's style of play does not lend itself to long term success. You could alter his style of play. But I'm not comfortable spending the #1 pick on a prospect that you have to fundamentally alter.

For me, Manziel's absolute best case scenario is Jeff Garcia. With all the things standing in the way of him becoming that, I'm not comfortable taking him #1 overall.

He doesnt have to adapt to the nfl. The nfl is the one adapting.

His style of quarterbacking just won the superbowl.

Russell Wilson, Colin Capernick, Cam Newton, RG3, Manziel is cut from the same cloth.

 

[Playoffs]

Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless are complete Ass clowns and should never be used to back up your argument. ESPN's first take is literally the laughing stock of all sports talk shows...

This.

I don't like Johnny Manziel as a player.

He has some fixable issues but a lot of my issues with him cannot or probably just will not be fixed.

I don't like his size. I don't think height is as important as most people do but it is still an issue. He is too reliant on his legs. He got better at this in his second year but his legs are still his primary weapon instead of his arm. He relies far too much on improvisation and doesn't stay on schedule. He won't be able to out-athlete everybody at the next level and will need to learn how to stay within the concept of the designed play instead of turning three out of every five plays into backyard football.

He throws off of his back foot far too often. He consistently makes dangerous throws into coverage or down the middle of the field because he knows his WRs are bigger and stronger than the defenders, something he may not have in the NFL.

He plays in a glorified high school offense with basically zero mental responsibility from the QB. All the calls, protections, and adjustments are called from the sideline. Nothing about his offense cleanly translates to the NFL, and nothing in his offense has prepared him for the NFL. You will be starting from scratch. I do believe that he has the mental capacity to learn a NFL system, but it is still an issue.

I think that his style of play will need to be adapted to the NFL, thus you may not be getting the same prospect he was in college. I believe his current style of play will lead to a few good/great years at best but not long term success. I'm not comfortable with spending the #1 overall pick on a guy who's style of play does not lend itself to long term success. You could alter his style of play. But I'm not comfortable spending the #1 pick on a prospect that you have to fundamentally alter.

For me, Manziel's absolute best case scenario is Jeff Garcia. With all the things standing in the way of him becoming that, I'm not comfortable taking him #1 overall.

And this. I'd like to know what percentage of his pass plays were executed as called? I see too much of Johnny Improvisation instead of Johnny Football Mind. And he scrambles out of the back of the pocket which is as low percentage as it gets in the NFL.

 

[infantrycak]

Having superbowl rings is beside the point. The point is you dont pass up on that kind of talent because of some harmless bad publicity.

the point is Randy Moss was passed on because of his off field problems which were a lot worse than Manziel yet Moss had a great career and if you redid the draft with everything you now know, Moss would have been drafted much sooner.

Demonstrably BS since Moss went through 5 teams who wouldn't put up with his crap despite his on-field talent.

The vince young comparison i dont get. Is Manziel gonna try to commit suicide like young? Why is it that when you compare you look for the worst comparison? As if Manziel cant get the benefit of the doubt. People always hope for the worst possible scenario and use that as their ceiling instead of giving the player the benefit of the doubt.

Well gee, I know it is subtle:

Texans 1.1
Texas QB from simple system with resume bolstered by a great deal of running.
Top DE in competition for 1.1 with great athleticism and a questionable motor.
Neither has shown any suicide predilection pre-draft

Clearly a cancer like Moss is a better comparison.

 

[Showtime100]

Name me a better sports alternative on television.

Oh, that's easy. I don't even have to leave ESPN for it either. Sportscenter. It's sports NEWS and not commentary from two guys who are equally certifiable in their own way.

Any sports show that delivers the news in general. Sports commentary shows are for the folks who need others to think for them.

 

[bah007]

He doesnt have to adapt to the nfl. The nfl is the one adapting.

His style of quarterbacking just won the superbowl.

Russell Wilson, Colin Capernick, Cam Newton, RG3, Manziel is cut from the same cloth.

Wilson - 5'11" 206. Played in a pro style offense in college and was much more polished entering the NFL

Kaepernick - 6'4" 230. Bigger, stronger arm, runs like a gazelle.

Newton - 6'5" 245. Cut from the same cloth? LOL

Griffin - 6'2" 218. All conference hurdler with stronger arm. Did play in the same style offense as Manziel and relies on his legs too much so probably the closest you got with these examples. He also appears to be the one out of these four who most likely will have to adapt his game if he wants to sustain long term success.

All four of these guys are better athletes than Manziel. All four have stronger arms than Manziel. Only one of them isn't prototypical size like Manziel. And the one who is his size was the most pro ready of all of them. And all four of them played within the design of their offense and didn't have to rely on improvisation so frequently. And they all had less talent as a supporting cast.

Just because you want something to be true doesn't mean that it is.

 

[Lord Bills]

Oh, that's easy. I don't even have to leave ESPN for it either. Sportscenter. It's sports NEWS and not commentary from two guys who are equally certifiable in their own way.

Any sports show that delivers the news in general. Sports commentary shows are for the folks who need others to think for them.

lol at sports center. nice try buddy.

sportscenter is from the same network. Nice moving the goal posts retort there.

Now we are to believe that sports commentary shows are bad and that anybody who watches them are scumbags.

LOL you people are so transparent and so shameless about it.

Again,

name me a show that is better than PTI, ATH, and first take. You cant find none that's why you went with the ridiculous sportscenter answer. Sportscenter is different kind of format and show from PTI,ATH, first take.

Why are you even a member of a sports message board?

Its because of the commentary of yourself and other people. Why do you think sports commentary shows like that exists for such a long time and have such huge viewership?

Please stop fronting.

 

[Lord Bills]

Wilson - 5'11" 206. Played in a pro style offense in college and was much more polished entering the NFL

Kaepernick - 6'4" 230. Bigger, stronger arm, runs like a gazelle.

Newton - 6'5" 245. Cut from the same cloth? LOL

Griffin - 6'2" 218. All conference hurdler with stronger arm. Did play in the same style offense as Manziel and relies on his legs too much so probably the closest you got with these examples.

All four of these guys are better athletes than Manziel. All four have stronger arms than Manziel. Only one of them isn't prototypical size like Manziel. And the one who is his size was the most pro ready of all of them.

Just because you want something to be true doesn't mean that it is.

they are cut from the same cloth. They are playmakers who can hurt you with their arms and legs. You do know cut from the same cloth is a figure of speech not meant to be taken literally right?

And to say Manziel is not a better athlete than either of those guys is just downright inaccurate. Check the film and see the plays that he pulled off vs elite competition.

 

[Dan B.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6x-O3kb1sI

Richard Sherman is no Bayless fan

 

[bah007]

they are cut from the same cloth. They are playmakers who can hurt you with their arms and legs. You do know cut from the same cloth is a figure of speech not meant to be taken literally right?

And to say Manziel is not a better athlete than either of those guys is just downright inaccurate. Check the film and see the plays that he pulled off vs elite competition.

You would also agree that he is cut from the same cloth as Vince Young and Michael Vick then? Young couldn't adapt and didn't sustain success in the NFL. Vick was forced to adapt his game to succeed long term. Tebow beat elite competition with his arm and his legs. Where is he? Failed to adapt.

I did not say that Manziel is not athletic. But all four of those guys are better athletes than him. One of us needs to check the film, but it is not me. I've studied all five. You have only studied one.

 

[mussop]

You would also agree that he is cut from the same cloth as Vince Young and Michael Vick then? Young couldn't adapt and didn't sustain success in the NFL. Vick was forced to adapt his game to succeed long term.

I did not say that Manziel is not athletic. But all four of those guys are better athletes than him. One of us needs to check the film, but it is not me. I've studied all five. You have only studied one.

Not sure Russell Wilson is a better athalete. Nor has a stronger arm. And the difference in the player you added on is football iq. Young and Vick have none. Manziel has it in spades.

 

[bhsman]

Not sure Russell Wilson is a better athalete. Nor has a stronger arm. And the difference in the player you added on is football iq. Young and Vick have none. Manziel has it in spades.

Manziel is a better athlete but I'd say Wilson has a better arm; he throws a beautiful deep ball. Both are way more accurate than Vick or Young were in college.

 

[Lord Bills]

You would also agree that he is cut from the same cloth as Vince Young and Michael Vick then? Young couldn't adapt and didn't sustain success in the NFL. Vick was forced to adapt his game to succeed long term. Tebow beat elite competition with his arm and his legs. Where is he? Failed to adapt.

I did not say that Manziel is not athletic. But all four of those guys are better athletes than him. One of us needs to check the film, but it is not me. I've studied all five. You have only studied one.

vince young has a winning record as a nfl quarterback. michael vick was a great nfl player before his troubles and injuries.

to say Manziel is going to have the same off the field issues as both of those guys is a reach. How do you know that?

What you do know is that all 3 guys are talented and produced on the field. You dont know that Manziel is gonna implode like both of those guys.

You bet and trust talent not on his hypothetical downfalls based off other players.

You give talent the benefit of the doubt and hope he doesnt make the same mistakes other players made.

I mean wth are we here for but to watch football and be entertained. We arent asking for a choir boy. We are asking for a great talented quarterback that will score.

We need a quarterback. A quarterback who knows how to score.

That's Manziel.

 

[Playoffs]

George Whitfield Jr. ‏@georgewhitfield

A few thousand yrs later we still have David's... And they are still killing giants. @JManziel2 #DimeCity pic.twitter.com/6TxMCuDU9b

George Whitfield Jr. ‏@georgewhitfield

@JManziel2 at work in #DimeCity 15 days to #NFLCombine @KevOC7 @Dmurr68 @WhitAthletix #surgo pic.twitter.com/BVuImyA6UZ

 

[Lord Bills]

George Whitfield Jr. ‏@georgewhitfield

George Whitfield Jr. ‏@georgewhitfield

You always give the benefit of the doubt on talent.

TESTED TALENT.

Manziel has talent, potential, heart, and competitive desire in spades. We always complained about our QBs being lame and boring and not being able to make plays, well here is a QB who does that.

I trust this kid's talent and potential. I hope the texans and bill o brien keep an open mind and give this kid an honest look.

 

[revan]

You always give the benefit of the doubt on talent.

TESTED TALENT.

Manziel has talent, potential, heart, and competitive desire in spades. We always complained about our QBs being lame and boring and not being able to make plays, well here is a QB who does that.

I trust this kid's talent and potential. I hope the texans and bill o brien keep an open mind and give this kid an honest look.

I think we will be fine with either of the top three they decide to go with, Manziel, Bortles or BRIDGEWATER. I prefer Bridgewater myself because I know he will be better from the three in the long run.

 

[TexansSeminole]

I can't take anyone who watches first take with a straight face seriously. That show is horrid.

 

[revan]

I can't take anyone who watches first take with a straight face seriously. That show is horrid.

 

[Showtime100]

I can't take anyone who watches first take with a straight face seriously. That show is horrid.

The poster in question is, based on post history, is JUST the type that would like First Take and defend it as if it were somehow...........legit.

 

[Lord Bills]

I can't take anyone who watches first take with a straight face seriously. That show is horrid.

millions of sports fans watch first take. Including players and front office personnel.

We watch it for entertainment. People dont watch it to make decision as to who to pick on the draft or what play to run on the field or any major life altering decision.

That should be obvious.

 

[Marcus]

You always give the benefit of the doubt on talent.

TESTED TALENT.

Manziel has talent, potential, heart, and competitive desire in spades. We always complained about our QBs being lame and boring and not being able to make plays, well here is a QB who does that.

I trust this kid's talent and potential. I hope the texans and bill o brien keep an open mind and give this kid an honest look.

So, if Bill O'Brien, according to you, has made some kind of statement questioning Manziel's work ethic, do you actually think he would pull something like that out of his ass? What purpose would that serve? And to whom?

If the head coach has doubts about his work ethic, then so I. I'll take his observation over some hack ESPN reporters any day of the week.

 

[Lord Bills]

The poster in question is, based on post history, is JUST the type that would like First Take and defend it as if it were somehow...........legit.

you still havent answered my question and completely ducked my reply to your uppity mentality on sports shows.

what sports commentary show is better than ATH, PTI, and first take?

Sports talk live with kevin eschenfeld? foxsports1? danpatrick live?

Stop being a dishonest pretentious coward as if you're such a superior sports fan because you dont watch a sports show that millions of sports fans watch.

 

[Lord Bills]

So, if Bill O'Brien, according to you, has made some kind of statement questioning Manziel's work ethic, do you actually think he would pull something like that out of his ass? What purpose would that serve? And to whom?

If the head coach has doubts about his work ethic, then so I. I'll take his observation over some hack ESPN reporters any day of the week.

to pollute the air and discredit manziel so that he can be justified in taking blake freaking bortles or whoever he likes.

what evidence does obrien have that Manziel has poor work ethic?

you can say manziel is arrogant and parties too hard because there is evidence of that but you cant say he doesnt work hard without evidence because of his harmless off the field distractions that the media exaggerated.

Stephen A Smith is right in his take that this sounds a lot similar to stereotypical criticisms that black qbs get.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

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[mussop]

I think we will be fine with either of the top three they decide to go with, Manziel, Bortles or BRIDGEWATER. I prefer Bridgewater myself because I know he will be better from the three in the long run.

You don't know that. No one knows that. Bridgewater is more prepared to start right away. That doesn't mean he will be the best.

 

[Showtime100]

you still havent answered my question and completely ducked my reply to your uppity mentality on sports shows.

what sports commentary show is better than ATH, PTI, and first take?

Sports talk live with kevin eschenfeld? foxsports1? danpatrick live?

Stop being a dishonest pretentious coward as if you're such a superior sports fan because you dont watch a sports show that millions of sports fans watch.

I DID answer your question, DF. I don't watch sports commentary. I do, however, watch pre-game shows, but no commentary shows filled with ignorant theoretical questions that act like a starting gun for two morons to begin arguing. Waste of time.

I guess I need to spell it out?

You: "what sports commentary show is better than ATH, PTI, and first take?"

Me: None. As in, pick the poison to kill you. They all suck.

 

[Mr teX]

they are cut from the same cloth. They are playmakers who can hurt you with their arms and legs. You do know cut from the same cloth is a figure of speech not meant to be taken literally right?

And to say Manziel is not a better athlete than either of those guys is just downright inaccurate. Check the film and see the plays that he pulled off vs elite competition.

You're absolutely in La La land if you believe Manziel compares with any of those guys athletically.

Kaepernick & Wilson were both actaully drafted by pro baseball teams out of high school which speaks to just how athletic those guys are..

Griffin was an Olympic quality hurdler..ran in the US olympic trials as a high schooler..

& the guy he compares to the least (Cam Newton) is much bigger & stronger than Manziel will ever be....Oh, he was also able to lead his team to the NC game with his athleticism..... despite a crap defense...unlike Manziel.

Please just stop....Manziel's a good athlete but stop overplaying your hand.

 

[Dan B.]

The only sports commentary that I actually enjoy is the NBA on TNT. I could watch Charles Barkley do the evening news every night.

 

[JCTexan]

to pollute the air and discredit manziel so that he can be justified in taking blake freaking bortles or whoever he likes.

what evidence does obrien have that Manziel has poor work ethic?

you can say manziel is arrogant and parties too hard because there is evidence of that but you cant say he doesnt work hard without evidence because of his harmless off the field distractions that the media exaggerated.

Stephen A Smith is right in his take that this sounds a lot similar to stereotypical criticisms that black qbs get.

If O'Brien made the comment, which I question (it is just a report), then I would guarantee he has watched enough film on Manziel to make it. O'brien has over two years of film on Manziel as evidence.

 

[Dutchrudder]

My only regret is that I only have 1 neg rep to give to Lord Bills per day.

 

[revan]

You don't know that. No one knows that. Bridgewater is more prepared to start right away. That doesn't mean he will be the best.

Sorry bro, I was being sarcastic to match Lord Bills love fest for Manziel. I should have made it more obvious adding that Bridgewater can throw 90 miles an hour on his knee, blindfolded and eating a bowl of soup.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

My only regret is that I only have 1 neg rep to give to Lord Bills per day.

You could call yourself Lord Dutch .

 

[mussop]

You're absolutely in La La land if you believe Manziel compares with any of those guys athletically.

Kaepernick & Wilson were both actaully drafted by pro baseball teams out of high school which speaks to just how athletic those guys are..

Griffin was an Olympic quality hurdler..ran in the US olympic trials as a high schooler..

& the guy he compares to the least (Cam Newton) is much bigger & stronger than Manziel will ever be.

Please just stop....Manziel's a good athlete but stop overplaying your hand.

How does getting drafted by a baseball team make you a great athalete? I would say Manziel is just as good or better an athalete than Wilson. The fact that Wilson got drafted by a bSeball team means nothing in this debate.

 

[mussop]

Sorry bro, I was being sarcastic to match Lord Bills love fest for Manziel. I should have made it more obvious adding that Bridgewater can throw 90 miles an hour on his knee, blindfolded and eating a bowl of soup.

Lol