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TexansSeminole said:
Atleast he isn't a complete idiot, because you'd have to be to not take the preparation over party route.
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I doubt there are many people who would take partying for a few days over setting yourself up for life by doing work.

You know that like Clowney showing up at Senior Bowl, JFF representation is pulling every possible string to put him in a good light. At the very least you give him credit for good representation and taking their advice.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Atleast he isn't a complete idiot, because you'd have to be to not take the preparation over party route.
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Gotta give credit where credit is due. Dude did not party at all during football season, didn't step one toe out of line. He's never been a distraction to his team when it comes down to football. Out of that I'm sure as long as when it's work time he works, nobody will care all that much how he chooses to have his (legal) fun.
 
htownfan32 said:
Gotta give credit where credit is due. Dude did not party at all during football season, didn't step one toe out of line. He's never been a distraction to his team when it comes down to football. Out of that I'm sure as long as when it's work time he works, nobody will care all that much how he chooses to have his (legal) fun.
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While I am not saying anything negative about Manziel, the credit given is bare minimum. He chose to prepare for the biggest job interview of his entire life instead of partying.
 
TexansSeminole said:
While I am not saying anything negative about Manziel, the credit given is bare minimum. He chose to prepare for the biggest job interview of his entire life instead of partying.
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Yes, but you say that like he parties instead of practicing. The only egregious thing that stands out to me is the Manning Academy incident. Other than that, he did what other college kids do, except TMZ was following him around.

If he partied hard during football season I'd have issues. He doesn't, so I'm not sure why everyone (this isn't directed at you as much as it is at everyone) tabs Manziel as a party boy when none of this goes on during business time.
 
htownfan32 said:
If he partied hard during football season I'd have issues. He doesn't, so I'm not sure why everyone (this isn't directed at you as much as it is at everyone) tabs Manziel as a party boy when none of this goes on during business time.
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Was Matty Hot-tub getting down during the football season? Or was he just living it up in the offseason?

I don't recall a whole lot during the season, I think he earned the moniker in the offseason.
 
thunderkyss said:
Was Matty Hot-tub getting down during the football season? Or was he just living it up in the offseason?

I don't recall a whole lot during the season, I think he earned the moniker in the offseason.
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What does Leinart have to do with Manziel? Other than being Heisman winners they have little in common.
 
Watching Russell Wilson in the Super Bowl, makes me lean towards Manziel. I look at the speed of today's defenses and the stress a mobile QB puts on them. Wilson bought his team time and made plays with his arm and feet. I believe Manziel can do this and more. He would certainly bring some excitement to the team and move us into the 21st Century of QB play. Plus if we keep Case, we can set-up and offense that pretty much either one of them could run.
 
thunderkyss said:
It's more about the nickname. How they earned it.

Try to keep up.
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So because the two like to have a good time, Manziel = Matt Leinart. Nice logic, that.

I suppose any player that likes to have a good time is a automatic bust. That Gronkowski guy is one of the worst TEs I've ever seen in my life.
 
“Johnny’s always been a leader,” Obioha said, “and it was basically him saying, “We’re not going to go out like this. We need to come back. This has to be a team effort.’”


Just as he’s done for the entirety of his remarkable career, Manziel lit a fire under his fellow Aggies. The redshirt sophomore made a handful of Manziel-like plays and a much-maligned defense stepped up with two late interceptions to help Texas A&M overcome a 21-point halftime deficit and stun Duke 52-48 in the Georgia Dome. In what many expect to be the final chapter for one of the most exciting players to ever play college football, Manziel refused to close his storied career with three straight losses.

“I just said, ‘Don’t quit.’” Manziel said of his sideline plea. “We got down, but I kept stressing to everybody – offense, defense, special teams – not to look at the scoreboard. ‘Don’t even do it. There’s no reason to do that.’”

Speaking to reporters after the game, Manziel, who finished 30-of-38 passing for 382 yards and a bowl-record four touchdowns along with 73 rushing yards and another score, couldn’t put his team’s season-ending performance into words.

“It’s unreal,” he said. “I know the way these guys fought. I can’t tell you how proud I am of them.”
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“More than anything, I’m just extremely proud to have played with this offensive line… just everybody on offense the last three years. They’ve helped me get to where I am today. Without them, I wouldn’t be anything.”
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God, what an immature d-bag. He obviously gives zero ****s about football.

http://college-football.si.com/2014...meback-victory-over-duke-in-chick-fil-a-bowl/
 
htownfan32 said:
So because the two like to have a good time, Manziel = Matt Leinart. Nice logic, that.

I suppose any player that likes to have a good time is a automatic bust. That Gronkowski guy is one of the worst TEs I've ever seen in my life.
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Logic? I'm not following yours. I never said Manziel = Lienart, only that Lienart earned his nickname because of his off-season exploits. "Buckling down" during the season did not change the perception of his character. Logic would assert that we should not expect any different in regards to the perception of Manziel's character.

Notice I'm not passing judgement, right or wrong, on Manziel or the people who perpetuate the perception.

I also never said "partying"= bust. I happen to believe kids'll be kids, until they grow up. It's not a big deal.
 
I think there's a good chance manziel could have a relatively drama free nfl career. I don't think his character stuff is something that makes you take him off your board completely, but it is something you'd have to bring up and give some thought to.

Do I EXPECT manziel to have a bunch of off field trouble/maturity issues? I'm not sure.

Would I be SURPRISED if some issues did pop up? Absolutely not.

If I were to make a scale of guys likely to have off field/maturity issues and make 1 be the least likely and 10 to be most likely, I'd honestly put manziel at about a 6.
 
When I get around to it, I might make a thread with all the maturity/off field issue guys and get the board to grade what they believe the likliehood if then having issues in the nfl are. Then average it out and see what we get. See what we think as a group about some of the "character" guys.
 
Texan in Japan said:
Watching Russell Wilson in the Super Bowl, makes me lean towards Manziel. I look at the speed of today's defenses and the stress a mobile QB puts on them. Wilson bought his team time and made plays with his arm and feet. I believe Manziel can do this and more. He would certainly bring some excitement to the team and move us into the 21st Century of QB play. Plus if we keep Case, we can set-up and offense that pretty much either one of them could run.
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The seahawks won because of a dominating performance by a defense. I mean come on..the mvp was a linebacker. Wilson played ok..not great.
 
thunderkyss said:
I happen to believe kids'll be kids, until they grow up. It's not a big deal.
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Not specific to Manziel, but I think this excuse for NFL prospects is ludicrous. Nothing in these kids' lives is ordinary and hasn't been for years.

It makes no sense to dismiss one piece of their lives as "like ordinary kids" when nothing in their lives is ordinary.
 
thunderkyss said:
Logic? I'm not following yours. I never said Manziel = Lienart, only that Lienart earned his nickname because of his off-season exploits. "Buckling down" during the season did not change the perception of his character. Logic would assert that we should not expect any different in regards to the perception of Manziel's character.

Notice I'm not passing judgement, right or wrong, on Manziel or the people who perpetuate the perception.

I also never said "partying"= bust. I happen to believe kids'll be kids, until they grow up. It's not a big deal.
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One person does not a trend make. Gronk parties hard, but I doubt you'll be rushing to call him one of the worst TEs in the league.

Ken Stabler played drunk. Does logic assert that we should expect QBs who like to drink to win Super Bowls in their career?
 
htownfan32 said:
Yes, but you say that like he parties instead of practicing. The only egregious thing that stands out to me is the Manning Academy incident. Other than that, he did what other college kids do, except TMZ was following him around.

If he partied hard during football season I'd have issues. He doesn't, so I'm not sure why everyone (this isn't directed at you as much as it is at everyone) tabs Manziel as a party boy when none of this goes on during business time.
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You missed the point. The point was that it means absolutely nothing outside of the fact that he isn't a complete moron.
 
htownfan32 said:
One person does not a trend make. Gronk parties hard, but I doubt you'll be rushing to call him one of the worst TEs in the league.

Ken Stabler played drunk. Does logic assert that we should expect QBs who like to drink to win Super Bowls in their career?
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Yeah... you're the only one equating partying with "worst in the league"
 
thunderkyss said:
Yeah... you're the only one equating partying with "worst in the league"
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I don't know, you just compared Manziel to one of the bigger draft busts in recent memory, compared their lifestyles, and all but touted it a trend. If you're not suggesting that Manziel is likely to end up as one, you're being disingenuous.

For the record I think Manziel is going to be a bust. Off-the-field concerns aren't the reasons why. One look at the tape and his (now that I no longer have to cheer for him) crap mechanics are apparent. Every throw looks like it's off the back shoulder, he constantly overlooks wide open receivers, and still bolts too much.
 
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stingray said:
The seahawks won because of a dominating performance by a defense. I mean come on..the mvp was a linebacker. Wilson played ok..not great.
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The Seahawks won because they we're a superior team in all three aspects of the game (D, O & ST). Wilson had a 123 rating and 8.7 per carry avg (and even had a 22 yd run called back). The SEA offense scored 27 points and Wilson led them on every drive with poise and skill not many Soph QBs have shown. Wilson could have easily been the MVP also, but that LB had a pretty damn good game.
 
htownfan32 said:
I don't know, you just compared Manziel to one of the bigger draft busts in recent memory, compared their lifestyles, and all but touted it a trend. If you're not suggesting that Manziel is likely to end up as one, you're being disingenuous.
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:sigh:
 
Texan in Japan said:
Watching Russell Wilson in the Super Bowl, makes me lean towards Manziel. I look at the speed of today's defenses and the stress a mobile QB puts on them. Wilson bought his team time and made plays with his arm and feet. I believe Manziel can do this and more. He would certainly bring some excitement to the team and move us into the 21st Century of QB play. Plus if we keep Case, we can set-up and offense that pretty much either one of them could run.
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Texan in Japan said:
The Seahawks won because they we're a superior team in all three aspects of the game (D, O & ST). Wilson had a 123 rating and 8.7 per carry avg (and even had a 22 yd run called back). The SEA offense scored 27 points and Wilson led them on every drive with poise and skill not many Soph QBs have shown. Wilson could have easily been the MVP also, but that LB had a pretty damn good game.
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Seattle's win shows how much flexibility you have with your defense when you can get pressure with just your down linemen.
 
htownfan32 said:
So because the two like to have a good time, Manziel = Matt Leinart. Nice logic, that.

I suppose any player that likes to have a good time is a automatic bust. That Gronkowski guy is one of the worst TEs I've ever seen in my life.
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At least that's true NOW! He's being paid a bundle and can't get on the field. But it could be worse. You could be paying a bundle to a guy in prison. But who would do such a thing?
 
htownfan32 said:
Yes, but you say that like he parties instead of practicing. The only egregious thing that stands out to me is the Manning Academy incident. Other than that, he did what other college kids do, except TMZ was following him around.

If he partied hard during football season I'd have issues. He doesn't, so I'm not sure why everyone (this isn't directed at you as much as it is at everyone) tabs Manziel as a party boy when none of this goes on during business time.
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Possibly because it's such a surprise to his followers that he is preparing for the biggest interview of his life instead of partying that they feel the need to post pictures of it as if he deserves credit for doing the same thing that every single other player who wants to get drafted is doing?...

I'm with TK. Leinart was all business during the season. But what was his reputation?
 
These Manziel/Wilson comparisons aren't going to stop so I'll just caution y'all. Wilson was far more prepared for the transition to the NFL game than Manziel is.

That says nothing of Manziel's skill, which he obviously has a lot of. But as to how his skills translate, he is closer to a more polished, less athletic Michael Vick than he is to Russell Wilson.
 
& to add onto to Bah's post, Wilson was drafted later in the draft with next to no expectations that he'd be anything more than a back up.....

Manziel is likely gonna be taken early by a bad team with huge expectations for him to become a star.........

The 2 situations are no where close to the same for each player.
 
bah007 said:
These Manziel/Wilson comparisons aren't going to stop so I'll just caution y'all. Wilson was far more prepared for the transition to the NFL game than Manziel is.

That says nothing of Manziel's skill, which he obviously has a lot of. But as to how his skills translate, he is closer to a more polished, less athletic Michael Vick than he is to Russell Wilson.
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I agree with a lot of what you say and not to get too far off topic but Manziel (and Teddy) are both going to be almost exactly 2 years younger as rookies than Russell. Theoretically they could sit their rookie year behind a vet, start 16 games their sophomore season and then be the same age their third year as Wilson was as a rookie. I have followed the MLB draft closely for longer than the NFL and it definitely seems to be a bigger deal in baseball to look at age relative to competition. Am I correct in that assumption or totally off-base?
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I doubt there are many people who would take partying for a few days over setting yourself up for life by doing work.

You know that like Clowney showing up at Senior Bowl, JFF representation is pulling every possible string to put him in a good light. At the very least you give him credit for good representation and taking their advice.
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..and the haters are doing all they can to minimize any positives.

infantrycak said:
Not specific to Manziel, but I think this excuse for NFL prospects is ludicrous. Nothing in these kids' lives is ordinary and hasn't been for years.

It makes no sense to dismiss one piece of their lives as "like ordinary kids" when nothing in their lives is ordinary.
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Agreed. By the same token, IF you think he's a party animal that still comes out and performs, what's the real concern?

htownfan32 said:
One person does not a trend make. Gronk parties hard, but I doubt you'll be rushing to call him one of the worst TEs in the league.

Ken Stabler played drunk. Does logic assert that we should expect QBs who like to drink to win Super Bowls in their career?
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With Namath, that's at least two. :kitten:

Mr teX said:
& to add onto to Bah's post, Wilson was drafted later in the draft with next to no expectations that he'd be anything more than a back up.....

Manziel is likely gonna be taken early by a bad team with huge expectations for him to become a star.........

The 2 situations are no where close to the same for each player.
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Correct, Wilson was nowhere near the collegiate player that Manziel was and therefore wasn't taken as high. Those 7-9 Seahawks weren't that far from a "bad" team either.
 
disaacks3 said:
Agreed. By the same token, IF you think he's a party animal that still comes out and performs, what's the real concern?
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Agreed. AJ is a weekly bar regular during the season and still performs. Got nothing against that. Just don't like the kids excuse. I would also prefer they keep it a non-spectacle.
 
infantrycak said:
Agreed. AJ is a weekly bar regular during the season and still performs. Got nothing against that. Just don't like the kids excuse. I would also prefer they keep it a non-spectacle.
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With Manziel, unfortunately, you're liable to get a circus. If the kid can keep it on the DL in the pros it'll be better for him in the long run image-wise.
 
bah007 said:
Possibly because it's such a surprise to his followers that he is preparing for the biggest interview of his life instead of partying that they feel the need to post pictures of it as if he deserves credit for doing the same thing that every single other player who wants to get drafted is doing?...

I'm with TK. Leinart was all business during the season. But what was his reputation?
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It's not a surprise to his "followers" that he is doing what he is supposed to do. He's been doing it all year. It's being posted because one of the main reasons his detractors say he will fail is, according to them he's not dedicated enough. That all he wants to do is party. That he is immature.
 
htownfan32 said:
With Manziel, unfortunately, you're liable to get a circus. If the kid can keep it on the DL in the pros it'll be better for him in the long run image-wise.
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Joe "Willie" Namath was a circus and he was celebrated as "Broadway Joe"....just sayin
 
mussop said:
It's not a surprise to his "followers" that he is doing what he is supposed to do. He's been doing it all year. It's being posted because one of the main reasons his detractors say he will fail is, according to them he's not dedicated enough. That all he wants to do is party. That he is immature.
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I don't agree with any of that. I think he is an amazing competitor. I do think he is somewhat immature but I don't think to the degree that will make him fail in the pros.

I don't think he'll have long term success in the NFL because I don't think his skills translate cleanly to the next level. I think he'll be an exciting player who has two or three really good years and then flames out as teams adjust to him and force him to use his arm and brain as his primary weapons. That's not a popular opinion around here but it's what I think.
 
bah007 said:
I don't agree with any of that. I think he is an amazing competitor. I do think he is somewhat immature but I don't think to the degree that will make him fail in the pros.

I don't think he'll have long term success in the NFL because I don't think his skills translate cleanly to the next level. I think he'll be an exciting player who has two or three really good years and then flames out as teams adjust to him and force him to use his arm and brain as his primary weapons. That's not a popular opinion around here but it's what I think.
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Actually, you've got a die-hard Ag in me that agrees with you there.

He'll have to switch up his game if he wants to succeed in the pros. Too much bust capability for me to pull the trigger on him if I was a GM. Takes a bigger gambler than we have in Rick Smith IMO to grab Manziel at 1-1.
 
& with the first selection of the 2014 NFL draft, the Houston Texans select:
Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M: His game and personality will draw plenty of scrutiny over the next three months. But given his unique talent, Lone Star State roots and Houston's hole under center, Manziel could be the perfect pick at No. 1.
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Not exactly "national" news, & I knew sooner or later someone was going to mock JFF to us with the #1 overall. This just happens to be the first one I saw. Not very insightful, seems like the only qualification is that he has Houston roots, so..... grain of salt.


What I found most interesting, is that he mocks Clowney to the Jags. I'd have figured they'd have had us taken the local kid (this is a South Carolina news afiliate)..... if not I'd have thought he would let him fall to a better situation like Atlanta.

My thoughts on Manziel at 1-1... I don't like it & it reeks of McNair's marketing machine, though I never really thought it existed. I like Manziel & will root for him to do great things in the NFL (I still root for Kolb, McCoy, Harrell, & I'm hoping against hope Keenum makes it in Houston), but these things never work.

He's only been starting for two years, & so far it looks like everything has come easily for him. He's talented as all get-out, I believe he's a natural leader. I like his mechanics, I like his arm, I like his gunslinger attitude... but I don't think he's earned the #1 overall selection. Like Jamarcus Russell & Vince Young (#3 overall) these guys will crash hard when they realize what's expected of them as an NFL QB.

Yeah, I'm sure the Aggie fans will say this is what he was born for. He will succeed at this level like he's succeeded at every other level... but it doesn't work that way. I think it would be better for Manziel if he falls in the draft...... maybe to the Cardinals (20) or Chiefs (23) & he starts his NFL career as 2nd string.

Even if we draft him in the second round, he's being drafted to be our starter. We'll go through a mock QB competition in camp & he'll "win" & it'll ruin him.
 
Just another talking point:

http://www.cbssports.com/general/wr...hnny-manziel-as-no-1-or-houston-has-a-problem

This is a smokescreen, what the Houston Texans are doing with Blake Bortles. It's a bluff, what owner Bob McNair has been saying about Jadeveon Clowney.

Either that, or it's stupid.

Because it's absurd, the idea that the Texans are seriously considering taking anyone not named Johnny Manziel.

The Texans don't just need to take Manziel with the No. 1 overall pick. They have to take Manziel. They have no other choice, for reasons that are football and business and public relations.

Having the No. 1 overall draft choice, in Houston, in the exact year that the south Texas supernova known as Johnny F---ing Football has entered the draft? That takes all the pressure off the Texans, because there is no other choice. In part, because there is no other choice.
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John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
Johnny Manziel and his friend Charlie Dina, a cancer survivor, at Dec Mr Room benefit at Tootsie's

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What the media doesn't want you to see. Despite his reputation, Johnny was very involved in charity work for young cancer patients and helped raise over 50K for Charlie Dina and other needy children.

http://thejohnnyweknow.tumblr.com
 
infantrycak said:
A conspiracy against Johnny?

When are the secret meetings, before or after the meeting on whether to suppress the story that Manning is an hermaphrodite?
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You know good and well what I mean; the media never reported this kind of stuff because it didn't fit the bad boy rebel image they wanted to give Manziel.
 
matts290 said:
You know good and well what I mean; the media never reported this kind of stuff because it didn't fit the bad boy rebel image they wanted to give Manziel.
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The media ignores 99% of this stuff other than in doing profile pieces because everyone around with high draft hopes is doing it. Manziel isn't being oppressed.
 
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