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Sure it can.....if you can perform at the highest level of 2 different sports as a pro its a safe bet you're likely a better athlete than most...just b/c you have it in spades doesnt mean you'll be able to translate it into success. See guys like Chris Rainey and to a lesser extent Trindon Holiday who aren't quite good enough in track and field to win gold in the Olympics but still athletic enough to land jobs in the NFL...albeit barely hanging on by a thread.
Your assumption is that the other athletes couldn't perform at that level in multiple sports. I tend to think it's more about training than athleticism.

The Bo Jackson's of the world are the exceptions, they aren't the rule. He was a world-class 60m sprinter, fair to good in MLB and great in the NFL.



I don't not want Manziel, I just want Teddy or Clowney more. If we were to select Manziel I would actually be pretty happy, but he isn't my first choice at this point in time.

Everyone seems to want to make the Russell Wilson to Johnny comparison, but other than their height I don't really see many similarities. Bridgewater reminds me more of Wilson than Johnny does.
Wilson still runs forward more often than Teddy B., so I get the Manziel analogy. Both Teddy and Wilson handle the blitz extremely well.

Also I was thinking about it today, I think another risk that comes attached with Manziel at #1 is just how much he will be asked to do from day as opposed to the other two guys. If I picture Manziel coming here via our 1.1 pick, I feel like so much more will be expected of him right away whereas Bortles or Bridgewater will be given more leniency and time to grow.
I don't see it. Whoever comes in is going to be expected to be the "savior". Saint O'Brien will be expected to make them the next Brady. The pressure is going to suck if whoever gets picked isn't ready.
 
Also I was thinking about it today, I think another risk that comes attached with Manziel at #1 is just how much he will be asked to do from day as opposed to the other two guys. If I picture Manziel coming here via our 1.1 pick, I feel like so much more will be expected of him right away whereas Bortles or Bridgewater will be given more leniency and time to grow.

If Bridgewater were to come in and throw for 3500 yards, 24 touchdowns, 12 INTs and 61% completion, most people would be satisfied that and call it a successful rookie year. However if Manziel put up those same numbers I think a lot of people would view it as pedestrian by his standards and say he hasn't lived up the the first overall pick.

Maybe I am just tired but it seems like a legitimate theory. :boogereater:

Don't agree with this at all..If he went anywhere & put up those numbers it would be considered a successful rookie year. If he did that here, this board along with my head would explode though...


Most people should know that his numbers at A&M won't translate..so to expect much more than the stat line you posted in his rookie year would be completely unrealistic.
 
Sure it can.....if you can perform at the highest level of 2 different sports as a pro its a safe bet you're likely a better athlete than most...just b/c you have it in spades doesnt mean you'll be able to translate it into success. See guys like Chris Rainey and to a lesser extent Trindon Holiday who aren't quite good enough in track and field to win gold in the Olympics but still athletic enough to land jobs in the NFL...albeit barely hanging on by a thread.

So now it's "can" be and "likely" a better athlete? That's a far cry from what you were saying earlier.
 
So now it's "can" be and "likely" a better athlete? That's a far cry from what you were saying earlier.

Lol at you nitpicking. There are exceptions to the rule in everything except in the rule that 1 day you will die of something.

But to clarify for you...yes i believe that an athlete who can perform at a pro level in 2 different sports is 98% of the time a better athlete than a guy who can only do it in 1...:turtle:
 
This morning on the radio, wade Phillips said he told McNair in his interview for the HC position that he'd draft manziel if he was named head coach.

Chew on that.
 
This morning on the radio, wade Phillips said he told McNair in his interview for the HC position that he'd draft manziel if he was named head coach.

Chew on that.

He's also the guy who benched Flutie for "Robosack" Johnson too...

Chew on that.
 
He's also the guy who benched Flutie for "Robosack" Johnson too...

Chew on that.

Did you think my comment was directed towards you in some type of way?

Just curious.

I was just "reporting" what wade said this morning. You seem a bit touchy about something you have 0 control over.
 
Did you think my comment was directed towards you in some type of way?

Just curious.

I was just "reporting" what wade said this morning. You seem a bit touchy about something you have 0 control over.

Lol, you're right...came off a bit snarky..didn't mean to..my apologies..getting too wrapped up in this..the draft can't come soon enough.
 
Lol, you're right...came off a bit snarky..didn't mean to..my apologies..getting too wrapped up in this..the draft can't come soon enough.

It's all good. Manziel isn't my first choice.

I just thought that dynamic was interesting.

Wade said he remembered how earl was a Texas guy and how he energized the city and became a legend here and he felt manziel could be similar.

Just thought it was interesting that wade would declare who he planned on drafting in December or January. LoL

Seems like if McNair was all about the hype he'd have gone with Phillips the Texas guy and been assured that he was going to draft manziel the Texas guy.
 
This morning on the radio, wade Phillips said he told McNair in his interview for the HC position that he'd draft manziel if he was named head coach.

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
“Those kinds of guys who can make first downs when you’re not supposed to, I think they give you something.” Phillips said on 610. #texans

“When I did the interview with the McNairs, I told them they ought to take Johnny FootballWade Phillips said to 610 in the loop. #Texans
 
Johnny Manziel: McShay: Evaluators are most split on Manziel

Scouts Inc.'s Todd McShay says NFL evaluators might be more split on Texas A&M QB Johnny Manziel than any other prospect in the draft.
"Those who like him focus on his special improvisational skills that allow him to create after the initial play breaks down," McShay writes. On the flip side, some question if he can hold up for 16 games, can he absorb NFL coaching regarding his decision making, and what is he doing "when he leaves the building" and if it will affect his preparation. McShay calls him a late first-round talent. Feb. 6 - 10:00 am et
Source: ESPN
 
yes i believe that an athlete who can perform at a pro level in 2 different sports is 98% of the time a better athlete than a guy who can only do it in 1...:turtle:

Did Manziel try to play baseball & then deemed not good enough?
 
Johnny Manziel: McShay: Evaluators are most split on Manziel

Scouts Inc.'s Todd McShay says NFL evaluators might be more split on Texas A&M QB Johnny Manziel than any other prospect in the draft.

Source: ESPN

So, McShay calls him "late 1st round talent". Interesting.

Regarding "what he does when he leaves the building", I gotta admit, that's my biggest peeve going into draft QB business. I want to know who is going to be the most dedicated to the sport. It's not what he 'does' when he leaves, it's 'when' he leaves, and 'when' he arrives.

O'Brien should ask each QB this question. Are you comfortable getting there when I get there, and leaving there only when I leave? I'm sure they would each say yes. As far as who he thinks is the most sincere, that would be the research he would need to conduct.
 
The thing that gets me, is that Wade interviewed with the McNairs. Not the McNairs & Rick Smith.


The McNairs.

Maybe Smith was there. Isn't he godfather to McNair Jr's kid or something? "McNairs" might have been catchall.

But if Rick Smith wasn't there... well. That's a whole 'nother story.
 
Matt Miller

Johnny Football. Mr. Heisman. The next Steve Young?

There has been no shortage of hyperbole and clever nicknaming thrown around when talking about Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel. Loved by many, hated by everyone else, the Texan plays bigger than his 6'0", 210-pound frame and has wowed the college football world in his short but brilliant career. Now, he's ready for the NFL.

The question, though, is if the NFL is ready for him.

Manziel doesn't fit into the classic metrics for quarterbacks. He's not 6'2"; he doesn't play primarily in the pocket; he runs too much; and he throws off his back foot all the time. But he makes plays-a lot of them-and they're NFL-level plays at that. Manziel may not be conventional, but he's really damn good.

From a scouting standpoint, Manziel is difficult to evaluate. He's the type of player that gets a general manager fired-either because they pass on him or because they draft him and he fails to transition to the NFL. But you have to take a chance on a player with his combination of speed, instincts, vision and accuracy.

And you have to acknowledge that he's a work-in-progress. Clean up his back-foot tendencies when throwing the ball and you have a passer with much better velocity and overall strength-and Manziel with a stronger arm is basically every scout's best friend.
 
THE GOOD JOHNNY MANZIEL AND THE BAD IN TWO VIDEOS
I figured I’d give you my visual look at both the good and bad that I’ve seen on film. Trust me, I’ve seen enough Manziel on tape that I sort of know things by heart now. That said, narrowing down two tremendous seasons to two plays isn’t the goal. The aim is for you to get a feel for what he does that people don’t think he can…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhsMvOPUIi0

…and what needs improvement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHcfZreBA2I
 
Johnny Football. Mr. Heisman.

The question, though, is if the NFL is ready for him.

I used that same line just yesterday.

Johnny Football. Mr. Heisman.

From a scouting standpoint, Manziel is difficult to evaluate. He's the type of player that gets a general manager fired—either because they pass on him or because they draft him and he fails to transition to the NFL.

How can this end badly for us??
 
First my apologies up front to all my fellow Bridgewater counterparts, but this Manziel going #1 is becoming an organism all unto itself that is growing & growing, from legs to tree trunks, kinda funny stuff but example how hard it is to stop a train even if it becomes a train wreck (mods could we get a Johnny Football smiley, thank you). :ant:
 
First my apologies up front to all my fellow Bridgewater counterparts, but this Manziel going #1 is becoming an organism all unto itself that is growing & growing, from legs to tree trunks, kinda funny stuff but example how hard it is to stop a train even if it becomes a train wreck (mods could we get a Johnny Football smiley, thank you). :ant:

I'm glad it started now. It'll lose steam by draft time.
 
Its sad that the Gary Kubiak era has contaminated the fanbase.

This fanbase has been together for so long with Kubiak and Schaub that the fanbase has adopted Kubiak's conservative, scared to go for the win mentality. Kubiak has turned this fanbase into scared little kids who cant look at a crucial field goal kick. Scared to run a trick play.

This fanbase has become gutless like Kubiak. You guys need to check yourselves. Look at the mirror, arent you ashamed you've become like Kubiak?

When did you all become so scared to take a chance?

When did you all become so conservative like Kubiak?

When did you guys become so fearful of doing something drastic? Something that had high risk but also had high reward?

When did you guys become Kubiak?

When did you guys become so scared to go big?

When did you guys adopt the play not to lose mentality?

The Manziel pick is the ANTI KUBIAK PICK. Its the trick play that Kubiak was always scared to call.

The Manziel pick is that 4th down that Kubiak was always afraid to go for.

The Manziel pick is that 3rd down pass that Schaub would have never gone for.

The Manziel pick is going for the win, instead of playing not to lose.

Johnny Manziel's entire being as a player and person is the complete opposite of what we have had here for more than half a decade. He is the complete opposite of Matt Schaub.

Yet for some strange idiotic reason, Texan fans at least on this site are completely oblivious and are against Manziel. You guys want another prototypical big tall quarterback in blake bortles who looks and plays just like another Matt Schaub.

This is is the kind of sad, ignorant mentality that has afflicted this franchise.

You guys are afraid to think outside the box.

This is the kind of mentality that allows someone like Schaub and David Carr to last this long.

YOU ARE JUST LIKE YOUR FRONT OFFICE.

AFRAID TO TAKE A CHANCE SO LETS STICK WITH THE STATUS QUO OF CARR, KUBIAK, AND SCHAUB.

Here is Johnny Football. The anti schaub. The high risk high reward guy. The tested talent vs great competition. The talent that looks spectacular on the field. The new breed of running and passing quarterback cut from the same cloth as the russell wilsons, the kapernicks, the newtons, the rg3s...


Yet what does the fanbase and current coaching staff do?

You try to look for ways to not draft the guy. You make up fake accusations like having poor work ethic. You do everything to tell yourself we dont want that guy.

David Carr was the prototypical qb. Schaub had the prototypical qb height.

How many times are we gonna with the prototypical qb and get our hearts broken?

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Go ahead, pick the safe prototypical quarterback texans so we can get our prototypical result.

:toropalm:
 
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Its sad that the Gary Kubiak era has contaminated the fanbase.

This fanbase has been together for so long with Kubiak and Schaub that the fanbase has adopted Kubiak's conservative, scared to go for the win mentality. Kubiak has turned this fanbase into scared little kids who cant look at a crucial field goal kick. Scared to run a trick play.

This fanbase has become gutless like Kubiak. You guys need to check yourselves. Look at the mirror, arent you ashamed you've become like Kubiak?

When did you all become so scared to take a chance?

When did you all become so conservative like Kubiak?

When did you guys become so fearful of doing something drastic? Something that had high risk but also had high reward?

When did you guys become Kubiak?

When did you guys become so scared to go big?

When did you guys adopt the play not to lose mentality?

The Manziel pick is the ANTI KUBIAK PICK. Its the trick play that Kubiak was always scared to call.

The Manziel pick is that 4th down that Kubiak was always afraid to go for.

The Manziel pick is that 3rd down pass that Schaub would have never gone for.

The Manziel pick is going for the win, instead of playing not to lose.

Johnny Manziel's entire being as a player and person is the complete opposite of what we have had here for more than half a decade. He is the complete opposite of Matt Schaub.

Yet for some strange idiotic reason, Texan fans at least on this site are completely oblivious and are against Manziel. You guys want another prototypical big tall quarterback in blake bortles who looks and plays just like another Matt Schaub.

This is is the kind of sad, ignorant mentality that has afflicted this franchise.

You guys are afraid to think outside the box.

This is the kind of mentality that allows someone like Schaub and David Carr to last this long.

YOU ARE JUST LIKE YOUR FRONT OFFICE.

AFRAID TO TAKE A CHANCE SO LETS STICK WITH THE STATUS QUO OF CARR, KUBIAK, AND SCHAUB.

Here is Johnny Football. The anti schaub. The high risk high reward guy. The tested talent vs great competition. The talent that looks spectacular on the field. The new breed of running and passing quarterback cut from the same cloth as the russell wilsons, the kapernicks, the newtons, the rg3s...


Yet what does the fanbase and current coaching staff do?

You try to look for ways to not draft the guy. You make up fake accusations like having poor work ethic. You do everything to tell yourself we dont want that guy.

David Carr was the prototypical qb. Schaub had the prototypical qb height.

How many times are we gonna with the prototypical qb and get our hearts broken?

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Go ahead, pick the safe prototypical quarterback texans so we can get our prototypical result.

:toropalm:

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Circa 2012, the top two names in "can't miss QBs" were Luck and RGIII.

Less than two years later, third round pick Russell Wilson wins the Lombardi.

I've heard enough over the years of absolutes with draft picks, and the only true absolute is that nobody can predict the future.

Build your defense. Build the offensive line. Johnny Manziel can't do it alone.
 
Its sad that the Gary Kubiak era has contaminated the fanbase.

This fanbase has been together for so long with Kubiak and Schaub that the fanbase has adopted Kubiak's conservative, scared to go for the win mentality. Kubiak has turned this fanbase into scared little kids who cant look at a crucial field goal kick. Scared to run a trick play.

This fanbase has become gutless like Kubiak. You guys need to check yourselves. Look at the mirror, arent you ashamed you've become like Kubiak?

When did you all become so scared to take a chance?

When did you all become so conservative like Kubiak?

When did you guys become so fearful of doing something drastic? Something that had high risk but also had high reward?

When did you guys become Kubiak?

When did you guys become so scared to go big?

When did you guys adopt the play not to lose mentality?

The Manziel pick is the ANTI KUBIAK PICK. Its the trick play that Kubiak was always scared to call.

The Manziel pick is that 4th down that Kubiak was always afraid to go for.

The Manziel pick is that 3rd down pass that Schaub would have never gone for.

The Manziel pick is going for the win, instead of playing not to lose.

Johnny Manziel's entire being as a player and person is the complete opposite of what we have had here for more than half a decade. He is the complete opposite of Matt Schaub.

Yet for some strange idiotic reason, Texan fans at least on this site are completely oblivious and are against Manziel. You guys want another prototypical big tall quarterback in blake bortles who looks and plays just like another Matt Schaub.

This is is the kind of sad, ignorant mentality that has afflicted this franchise.

You guys are afraid to think outside the box.

This is the kind of mentality that allows someone like Schaub and David Carr to last this long.

YOU ARE JUST LIKE YOUR FRONT OFFICE.

AFRAID TO TAKE A CHANCE SO LETS STICK WITH THE STATUS QUO OF CARR, KUBIAK, AND SCHAUB.

Here is Johnny Football. The anti schaub. The high risk high reward guy. The tested talent vs great competition. The talent that looks spectacular on the field. The new breed of running and passing quarterback cut from the same cloth as the russell wilsons, the kapernicks, the newtons, the rg3s...


Yet what does the fanbase and current coaching staff do?

You try to look for ways to not draft the guy. You make up fake accusations like having poor work ethic. You do everything to tell yourself we dont want that guy.

David Carr was the prototypical qb. Schaub had the prototypical qb height.

How many times are we gonna with the prototypical qb and get our hearts broken?

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Go ahead, pick the safe prototypical quarterback texans so we can get our prototypical result.

:toropalm:

lol
 
You're absolutely in La La land if you believe Manziel compares with any of those guys athletically.

Kaepernick & Wilson were both actaully drafted by pro baseball teams out of high school which speaks to just how athletic those guys are..

Griffin was an Olympic quality hurdler..ran in the US olympic trials as a high schooler..

& the guy he compares to the least (Cam Newton) is much bigger & stronger than Manziel will ever be....Oh, he was also able to lead his team to the NC game with his athleticism..... despite a crap defense...unlike Manziel.

Please just stop....Manziel's a good athlete but stop overplaying your hand.

I've never thought of baseball players as athletes. I think of them more as skilled competitors like in golf. So being drafted by baseball doesn't support the concept of athleticism. It doesn't mean they aren't athletes, just that being drafted by baseball teams doesn't supports that position.

Running Olympic class hurdles does support the notion of athleticism though.
 
I would've still preferred teddy b, but manziel in kubiaks offense actually makes sense.

Yeah, Manziel would be pretty good in Kubiak's offense; it's why I'd like to see him end up in Minnesota or Cleveland, preferably Minnesota.
 
I've never thought of baseball players as athletes. I think of them more as skilled competitors like in golf. So being drafted by baseball doesn't support the concept of athleticism. It doesn't mean they aren't athletes, just that being drafted by baseball teams doesn't supports that position.

Running Olympic class hurdles does support the notion of athleticism though.

I've always thought of baseball players as athletes as sure as the sun shines. Just a different skill set is all. If a guy is drafted by MLB and the NFL I've always said, partly in jest, that he had the braun for football and the brains for baseball. A good combination that could help him in either sport. :twocents:
 
I've always thought of baseball players as athletes as sure as the sun shines. Just a different skill set is all. If a guy is drafted by MLB and the NFL I've always said, partly in jest, that he had the braun for football and the brains for baseball. A good combination that could help him in either sport. :twocents:

A nice friendly disagreement. What a concept.
 
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