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Lord Bills
Destruction
SMDH.
Your answer was sportscenter, a show on the same network but is totally different type of show format as ATH, PTI, and first take.
The fact of the matter is you cant give an answer so you moved the goal posts and started slagging on people who watch sports commentary shows as if that made you a bad sports fan and horrible human being.
Stop frontin. You got called out on your pretentious uppity BS.
Fact of the matter is you couldnt come up with a better sports commentary show than PTI,ATH, and first take. You tried to move the goal posts by choosing a show that is completely different from a sports commentary show and resorted to discrediting people who watch sports commentary show for entertainment purposes.
Just look at your responses, espn then now you go with none its poison.
Just stop it. Your becoming more dishonest and transparent.
Im not overplaying anything. You are the one in LA LA land if you think Manziel cant be as athletic ON THE FOOTBALL field as kapernick and wilson.
Can you honestly say Manziel is physically and athletically unable to pull of any of the playmaking plays that a Russell Wilson does on the field?
Check his film vs elite competition. To say he cant do the things that RG3 or Wilson can do is downright dishonest.
Check his game film and competition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ8xVIgWEBY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykxRc-kSH74
That's against Alabama and Nick Saban. His running style the way he chooses his angles to gain more yards without trying to excessively juke his defenders remind me of Kapernick.
Check the film and find the truth. I bet people wouldnt be questioning his athletic ability if he wasnt a white guy named manziel. If he did the same thing but was an african american nobody would question his talent and athletic ability.
Lord Bills
Destruction
absolutely agree. Wilson batted in the low .220s in the minors so that somehow makes him so much better than Manziel.
We are talking about football here. not baseball.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
Wow, that kid has no reading comprehension skills whatsoever.
Lord Bills
Destruction
My only regret is that I only have 1 neg rep to give to Lord Bills per day.
why dont you talk football instead of neg repping people? as if that matters or is even relevant.
Do you think the fact that he was drafted by a baseball team automatically makes him a better athalete than Manziel?
Lord Bills
Destruction
Wow, that kid has no reading comprehension skills whatsoever.
i have great reading comprehension skills. You're the one who got called out on your BS and got shut down. Now you're doing the whole fake he's so beneath me act because you got owned.
First you're all first take, ATH, PTI are crap shows. Plenty of better shows. Then you give an answer of sports center which is from the same network but a totally different show. That's like comparing a movie to a tv series. Then your answer now is none, its poison.
The your latest post you get personal.
You got exposed and now you are trying to discredit the poster who called you out on your BS.
Anybody with a modicum of intelligence and honesty can see our back and forth here and see that.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Dude....
Stop acting like Bama is the end all be all. LSU puts just as much talent in the NFL as bama does..why not pull up those 2 games from 2012 & 2013 where he was largely smothered & OK at best?
This isn't a race thing & noone's questioning his athletic ability..you're just overblowing how athletic he is when you compare him to the guys you did.
Lord Bills
Destruction
now that's a
You claim you dont watch sports commentary so you bag on sports commentary shows like first take, ATH, PTI and claim there are better yet dont provide an answer and now you say you dont watch sports commentary?
Showtime100
Got JJ?
Here's your question: "Name me a better sports alternative on television."
My answer was and is Sportscenter because it covers the news of the day. (Key word: alternative)
What part of this can you not comprehend??????
Now go away, you remind me of my ex.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Doesn't hurt the arguement .
Lord Bills
Destruction
Dude....
Stop acting like Bama is the end all be all. LSU puts just as much talent in the NFL as bama does..why not pull up those 2 games from 2012 & 2013 where he was largely smothered & OK at best?
This isn't a race thing & noone's questioning his athletic ability..you're just overblowing how athletic he is when you compare him to the guys you did.
actually you are.
there's nothing athletically russell wilson can do on the football field that Manziel cant do.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
RGIII was a world-class hurdler from Quarter Mile U that won a Heisman and in his rookie season in the NFL had a 102+ QBR and rushed for over 800 yards.
Wilson was a two-sport star at NC State in football and baseball, graduated then transferred to Wisconsin where he set the FBS record on passing efficiency. He played minor league baseball, was the NFL ROY, and he has most recently won the Super Bowl.
By the way, both RGIII and Wilson graduated from their respective universities in three years.
So yeah, these two are both better and smarter athletes than Johnny Football.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
So did Bridgewater .
revan
Waterboy
Manziel to the Cowboys?!
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/dallas-cowboys-does-seattle-39-super-bowl-win-170200358--nfl.html
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/dallas-cowboys-does-seattle-39-super-bowl-win-170200358--nfl.html
Doesn't verify it either.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Only on the texanstalk messageboard does it mean nothing. Get back at me when you can hit a 80+ MPH curve...or a 90+ MPH fastball 2 out of 10 times...better yet, get back at me when 2 different teams think enough of your athleticism to draft you in the MLB draft twice as they did with Wilson...Doubt manziel was seeing that kind of interest as a baseball prospect in high school.
Sure a few of the athletic skills needed to excel in each sport are different, but athleticism manifests itself in many different skill sets..The ability to transfer that skill set in 1 sport to another sport is skill and another form of athleticism all its own...that's what made guys like Deion & Bo Jackson that much better athletically than their counterparts who only really could focus on that 1 sport. Wilson's not quite in that stratosphere athletically, but it's the ability to do that..which puts him well above JFF as an athlete in that realm.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Probably thinks Dave Winfield being drafted in the NBA, ABA, NFL and MLB doesn't count as athleticism either...
It doesn't prove that he is a better athalete than Dwight Howard. Just because someone plays more than one sport doesn't automatically make them a better a athalete than someone who plays only one.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
How does any of this prove Wilson is a better athalete than Maziel?
Whales ain't fish .
sandman
Brexit Advisor
No, I went to a DII school in Virginia, but nice try. Typical Aggie paranoia that a dissenting opinion must be coming from a Longhorn alum.
That's an awesome verbal beatdown, especially in hindsight after Sherman's team wins a championship.
"I'm better at life than you"
You see so many respectable and great pro athletes that seem to despise Skip Bayless. It makes you wonder, why?
Truth is Bayless makes his living on controversial opinions. I think he pulls most of them out of his butt because controversy keeps him "relevant" as it pertains to being an entertainment figure.
However, the truth of the matter is those that cannot work for an actual professional sports team, write about them instead.
Which brings us to:
This is what I don't get.
Fine, use Bayless or Stephen Smith as a reference opinion, but let's not get stupid with it and act like they have the qualifications to be an assistance coach in the NFL, much less a head coach.
The story was pure hearsay to begin with. It was about Manziel and Bortles being the Texans top picks, but O'Brien is reportedly concerned about Manziel's potential lack of work ethic and intangibles.
But, the story starts with "According to trusted sources...", like that's the be all/end all of truth in media. Yeah, and according to trusted sources, Harbaugh was not consulted when he hired Kubiak. Riiiiiiiiiight
"According to trusted sources..." the moon landing is fake!
"According to trusted sources..." Elvis is still alive!
"According to trusted sources..." 09/11 was perpetuated by the U.S. government!
"According to trusted sources..." Vince Young was a Hall of Famer before he even got drafted!
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Do you even know who Dave Winfield is?
He was voted the third best athlete of all time in any sport. Not just in the sport he chose to play professionally, baseball. Third best all time athlete in any sport.
So yes, he is a better athlete than Dwight Howard.
They taste the same.
Still doesn't change the fact that playing more than one sport makes you a better athalete than someone who plays one sport.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Thanks for agreeing with me...
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Maybe a just a better QB: add Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick and Tom Brady to the drafted by MLB list. Three of the four playoff QBs.
And, Russell Wilson is better at life than Johnny Manziel.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
Maybe a just a better QB: add Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick and Tom Brady to the drafted by MLB list. Three of the four playoff QBs.
And, Russell Wilson is better at life than Johnny Manziel.
Manziel is head and shoulder better than Russell Wilson was at this stage of his career. I don't remember Wilson ever being mentioned as the number one pick. I also don't remember Wilson winning Heisman trophy the first year as a starter.
Wilson and Kaepernick are mobile game mangers. Their teams are more responsible for their team achievements than they are. You put either of them on a bad team and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Better at life??
drs23
Veteran
No I didn't catch it. I can't stand that screaming b1tch and don't put any stock into anything he spews.
As to the bolded: You've said that already and it ain't true. Again. Still.
drs23
Veteran
Mr T I don't often agree with your take but I think you're spot on there.
Goatcheese
Texan
He's the most physically gifted of the first round prospects at QB. He just left the Senior Bowl with glowing reviews of his character, football IQ, work ethic, leadership and coachability. His college production leaves little to be desired.
Every prospect has their flaws, but I see fewer and more easily fixed problems in Carr's game than Manziel's. He's skittish under pressure and needs to work on his deep ball accuracy. Those are things that coaches believe that can fix.
drs23
Veteran
Yeah, that 'believe' part. Who's gonna stake their job on it? I'm just wondering out loud because I know someone will. I've read where big brother schooled him on how not to screw it up like he did. Things like "first there, last to leave" and things of that nature. It's all in his court. I'd like to see Derrick do well.
On another team.
Demonstrably BS since Moss went through 5 teams who wouldn't put up with his crap despite his on-field talent.
Well gee, I know it is subtle:
Texans 1.1
Texas QB from simple system with resume bolstered by a great deal of running.
Top DE in competition for 1.1 with great athleticism and a questionable motor.
Neither has shown any suicide predilection pre-draft
Clearly a cancer like Moss is a better comparison.
Circumstances may be similar, but the players are nothing alike, either in build, arm strength, offenses run, yardage passed for....should I go on?
I enjoy a good beat-down as well, but comparing Manziel to VY is just plain silly.
And for the love of God folks, please stop posting about guys who were drafted as baseball players and how they are just "better athletes" and more successful in the NFL.
Brandon Weeden ring a bell? Chris Weinke?
But they played two sports so they have to be better athletes. That is rule!!!!!
Sarcasm
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Add Drew Henson to that list as well.....still does not mean that those guys weren't superior athletes to their counterparts b/c they failed.
If Bill O'Brien said anything (remember we're talking about an article written by someone who says he knows a guy who knows a guy), he said he didn't know... & he doesn't know.
The friend of a friend did not say O'Brien said Manziel had poor work ethic, he said O'Brien said he doesn't know. That's not slander.
Does not mean they were superior either.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Does anybody know where I can find a energy source strong enough to supply 1.21 gigawatts of power so I can blast the **** out of 2006?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Sure it can.....if you can perform at the highest level of 2 different sports as a pro its a safe bet you're likely a better athlete than most...just b/c you have it in spades doesnt mean you'll be able to translate it into success. See guys like Chris Rainey and to a lesser extent Trindon Holiday who aren't quite good enough in track and field to win gold in the Olympics but still athletic enough to land jobs in the NFL...albeit barely hanging on by a thread.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Does anybody know where I can find a energy source strong enough to supply 1.21 gigawatts of power so I can blast the **** out of 2006?
For the record the Manziel mania is a bit more subdued than the VY craziness. I know there are a few other Ags on the board and I know I'm not the only one who doesn't want Manziel at 1-1.
Also I'm fairly sure OP isn't an Ag.
I don't not want Manziel, I just want Teddy or Clowney more. If we were to select Manziel I would actually be pretty happy, but he isn't my first choice at this point in time.
Everyone seems to want to make the Russell Wilson to Johnny comparison, but other than their height I don't really see many similarities. Bridgewater reminds me more of Wilson than Johnny does.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Agreed on both counts - which is why I said I don't want Manziel at 1-1. I'd take him in a trade down, or where he really belongs 1-10 or 1-11 (which will not happen, IMO). But I still am wary of how much bust potential is there, because of his style of play.
Bridgewater is my 1st choice QB hands-down though.
revan
Waterboy
Great post definitely the way I feel as most Texans fans do.
Yeah I gotcha, and if we could conceivably get him plus a draft pick in a theoretical trade down, I would be all for it...But, personally I think there is very little to no chance that we trade out of our 1.1 pick, so in my mind if we are getting one of the "Big 4" it will be there or not at all.
I also think there is very little chance we take Manziel regardless of my opinion on him, I just don't think he is the right fit for this team and the offense O'Brien plans to run, plus all this "keep Johnny in Texas" hoopla hurts the cause more than helps.
I love the kid though and A&M will forever be in his "debt" for how much he helped advance our program in just two short years, and I will root hard for him where ever he goes.
Also I was thinking about it today, I think another risk that comes attached with Manziel at #1 is just how much he will be asked to do from day as opposed to the other two guys. If I picture Manziel coming here via our 1.1 pick, I feel like so much more will be expected of him right away whereas Bortles or Bridgewater will be given more leniency and time to grow.
If Bridgewater were to come in and throw for 3500 yards, 24 touchdowns, 12 INTs and 61% completion, most people would be satisfied that and call it a successful rookie year. However if Manziel put up those same numbers I think a lot of people would view it as pedestrian by his standards and say he hasn't lived up the the first overall pick.
Maybe I am just tired but it seems like a legitimate theory.
If Bridgewater were to come in and throw for 3500 yards, 24 touchdowns, 12 INTs and 61% completion, most people would be satisfied that and call it a successful rookie year. However if Manziel put up those same numbers I think a lot of people would view it as pedestrian by his standards and say he hasn't lived up the the first overall pick.
Maybe I am just tired but it seems like a legitimate theory.
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