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AJ McCarron

I don't see anything in McCarron. I'm not saying he's terrible, but he doesn't do anything great. He's surrounded by talent at Bama. Screams NFL back-up QB to me.
 
bOODRO87 said:
I don't see anything in McCarron. I'm not saying he's terrible, but he doesn't do anything great. He's surrounded by talent at Bama. Screams NFL back-up QB to me.
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He really reminds me of Ken Dorsey. Not quite in their skill set, but that they were both above average QB's surrounded by the best talent in the country. I see him being a better NFL QB than Dorsey, but bah007 nailed it above. He's a guy who can be a solid starter in the league, but he won't be taking you anywhere. I see his ceiling as being like Schaub a few years ago before his decline.
 
WolverineFan said:
In 2009-2010 yes he absolutely was. Was easily a top 20 QB.

And this is coming from a guy who despises Schaub.
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You took my point backwards. It was no where close as in he was much better than 25th and much better than 20th too. Up to his injury he was 8-12.
 
infantrycak said:
You took my point backwards. It was no where close as in he was much better than 25th and much better than 20th too. Up to his injury he was 8-12.
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Ahh well yes that's where I see McCarron's ceiling IF you surround him with a ton of talent like Schaub had. Schaub was an above average starter that played within the offense and was surrounded by pro-bowlers. That's exactly what McCarron is doing at Alabama.
 
WolverineFan said:
Ahh well yes that's where I see McCarron's ceiling IF you surround him with a ton of talent like Schaub had. Schaub was an above average starter that played within the offense and was surrounded by pro-bowlers. That's exactly what McCarron is doing at Alabama.
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Still revisionist history.

2008 - AJ & OD
2009 - AJ
2010 - AJ, Foster & Leach
2011 - Foster & Myers

That ain't surrounded by pro-bowlers.
 
infantrycak said:
Still revisionist history.

2008 - AJ & OD
2009 - AJ
2010 - AJ, Foster & Leach
2011 - Foster & Myers

That ain't surrounded by pro-bowlers.
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So Johnson was not a pro-bowl caliber player in 2011? Myers was not a pro-bowl caliber player until 2011?

Schaub was surrounded by talent across the board during that time. Johnson, Foster, Daniels, Myers, Brown, Winston, Brisiel, Smith, etc. Just because every guy didn't make the pro-bowl every single year doesn't dispute that fact.
 
WolverineFan said:
So Johnson was not a pro-bowl caliber player in 2011? Myers was not a pro-bowl caliber player until 2011?

Schaub was surrounded by talent across the board during that time. Johnson, Foster, Daniels, Myers, Brown, Winston, Brisiel, Smith, etc. Just because every guy didn't make the pro-bowl every single year doesn't dispute that fact.
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Your spin is ridiculous. The lengths to which you will go are demonstrated by your AJ question. AJ only played 4 uninjured games in 2011 so of course he was not a pro-bowl caliber player in the other 12 games.

Players like Winston, Myers, Brisiel and Smith exist on every team. That is not surrounding a QB with talent to some inordinate degree. Plus you are acting like all those people were playing at once which isn't the case nor were they playing at their peak for the whole time they were playing. It is almost laughable the transformation in story. Winston, Myers and Smith were all heavily criticized and now they are being made into the '90s Cowboys line. Foster wasn't there for two of those years. Brown was described as a reach/bust in his early years. Throughout this time the Texans had "no #2 WR." Schaub led the league in passing with zero running game. No he was not surrounded by talent his entire time pre-injury.
 
infantrycak said:
Your spin is ridiculous. The lengths to which you will go are demonstrated by your AJ question. AJ only played 4 uninjured games in 2011 so of course he was not a pro-bowl caliber player in the other 12 games.

Players like Winston, Myers, Brisiel and Smith exist on every team. That is not surrounding a QB with talent to some inordinate degree. Plus you are acting like all those people were playing at once which isn't the case nor were they playing at their peak for the whole time they were playing. It is almost laughable the transformation in story. Winston, Myers and Smith were all heavily criticized and now they are being made into the '90s Cowboys line. Foster wasn't there for two of those years. Brown was described as a reach/bust in his early years. Throughout this time the Texans had "no #2 WR." Schaub led the league in passing with zero running game. No he was not surrounded by talent his entire time pre-injury.
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Texans were near the top of the league in sacks allowed per attempt in 2008 and 2009, had the #7 rushing offense in 2010, and the #2 in 2011. The line was there whether they were actual pro-bowlers or not. That was my point.

And yes, Johnson was injured in 2011. But you listed the team's pro-bowlers as if to point out a lack of talent on the squad. That was not the case. Johnson in his prime from 2008-2010, Foster's career year in 2010 and great years in 11-12, one of the top O-Lines in the league from 2009-2011, the OD/Dreessen combo from 2009-2011, etc. The only thing that offense did not have was a legitimate #2 WR.

Sure, he didn't have the best talent in the league at each position, but there was no lack of talent. The only lack of talent was on the defense, which is why Wade was hired and why we focused mainly on defense in those drafts.
 
WolverineFan said:
Sure, he didn't have the best talent in the league at each position, but there was no lack of talent. The only lack of talent was on the defense, which is why Wade was hired and why we focused mainly on defense in those drafts.
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I didn't claim there was a lack of talent. You claimed there was a surfeit.
 
I would not take mccaron. Would rather roll with keenum. Too many holes in this team to mess around with a 3rd or 4th rd QB.

Either grab a top flight guy or grab a guy with huge upside.
 
What I want to see from McCarron -- or any QB we select -- is more passion/competitiveness. I'd like to see him impose his will on an outcome... and to demonstrate a personality where losing is unacceptable. I don't want another lukewarm Matt Schaub.

I guarantee you Tom Brady throws temper tantrums when he's losing/loses. Like Big Papi...

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Playoffs said:
Not good if true...

Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
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I'd rather he go but not too concerned as it could harm him more than help. These guys are playing with others they do not know. Let me clarify I am talking about QBs and WRs. He does need to go to combine though.
 
Disappointed that he's not going. This was a chance to see him on an even playing field. He could go out there and prove a lot if he upstaged the other QB's at the event. Geno Smith had some questions last year and skipping the Senior Bowl really hurt his stock.
 
Playoffs said:
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Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
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I kinda agree with McCarron. What the hell is there left to prove or show. 4 years, 3 National Championships, ton of stats and an ugly ass chest tat...

What is a Senior Bowl and a handful of snaps gonna show the last 4 years hasn't?
 
WolverineFan said:
Disappointed that he's not going. This was a chance to see him on an even playing field. He could go out there and prove a lot if he upstaged the other QB's at the event. Geno Smith had some questions last year and skipping the Senior Bowl really hurt his stock.
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Geno Smith isn't a 3 time National Champion QB either. HE needed the Senior Bowl, can't say McCarron really does.
 
BullNation4Life said:
I kinda agree with McCarron. What the hell is there left to prove or show. 4 years, 3 National Championships, ton of stats and an ugly ass chest tat...

What is a Senior Bowl and a handful of snaps gonna show the last 4 years hasn't?
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That he can adapt.

Not difficult to look good against Bull Nation 4 Life Junior College with blue chip players at every position and Nick Saban as your coach. Let's see how you do on a different playing field.

If I was him, I wouldn't do it either, because I assume he will look terrible compared to the rest of the QBs.
 
TexansFTW said:
That he can adapt.

Not difficult to look good against Bull Nation 4 Life Junior College with blue chip players at every position and Nick Saban as your coach. Let's see how you do on a different playing field.

If I was him, I wouldn't do it either, because I assume he will look terrible compared to the rest of the QBs.
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stupidest thing you have ever said, and you have said allot. Adapt to what? So it's the kids fault his coach is Nick Saban and its the kids fault he has NFL caliber players on his team?

If anything, McCarron should blend in nicely with the NFL, being he has practically played with NFL players for 4 years...
 
BullNation4Life said:
stupidest thing you have ever said, and you have said allot. Adapt to what? So it's the kids fault his coach is Nick Saban and its the kids fault he has NFL caliber players on his team?

If anything, McCarron should blend in nicely with the NFL, being he has practically played with NFL players for 4 years...
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Not his fault, it's his blessing. If you're confident in your skills you showcase them, if you're scared and feel you might hurt yourself, you hide them.

Playing with NFL players is definitely awesome and not his fault at all, playing only a handful of teams that had them playing against him is a little different. I think the Senior Bowl would be great to see how he plays with AND against NFL type talent.

Thanks though for the compliments.
 
Playoffs said:
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Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
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Was told #Alabama QB AJ McCarron will not accept his Senior Bowl invite. Standing on play last 4 yrs w Tide.
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Not the first and won't be the last, he will have his workout at his pro day and that's all that really matters.
 
No thanks. If he needs elite level blockers and skill guys just to be average I want no part of that.

Oklahoma has his head spinning so far.
 
TexansFTW said:
Not his fault, it's his blessing. If you're confident in your skills you showcase them, if you're scared and feel you might hurt yourself, you hide them.

Playing with NFL players is definitely awesome and not his fault at all, playing only a handful of teams that had them playing against him is a little different. I think the Senior Bowl would be great to see how he plays with AND against NFL type talent.

Thanks though for the compliments.
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I take back anything I just said about McCarron, that dude needs more than just the Senior Bowl...
 
BullNation4Life said:
I take back anything I just said about McCarron, that dude needs more than just the Senior Bowl...
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Yeah, he got exposed tonight when he actually had to throw more than 25 times.

I've said it for a while, he's the Trent Dilfer of College Football. That translates to 7-8 year backup in the NFL.
 
TexansFTW said:
Yeah, he got exposed tonight when he actually had to throw more than 25 times.

I've said it for a while, he's the Trent Dilfer of College Football. That translates to 7-8 year backup in the NFL.
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You may be right,

I will take his 1 SB ring though.
 
steelbtexan said:
You may be right,

I will take his 1 SB ring though.
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Trent Dilfer was WAY better of a QB/passer in college than he was the pros. We went 30/5 his Senior season.

I'm saying AJ is like Dilfer OF COLLEGE. Meaning he will be damn near worthless in the NFL.
 
As an LSU fan, the thought of McCarron going from trumped-up Heisman runner-up to UDFA brings a warm, loving feeling to the cockles of my heart.
 
Playoffs said:
Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler

Mentioned to a scout here at Shrine practice that McCarron was officially out of the Senior Bowl. He scowled and shook his head. #NotGood
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To me, it feels like he's just trying to maintain his stock and not hurt it. Going to the Senior Bowl and looking bad without elite Bama talent around him would confirm everything his naysayers have against him. Instead of proving them wrong, he sits out. This, and his performance against Oklahoma, will hurt his stock regardless. No reason for him to skip the Senior Bowl IMO.
 
WolverineFan said:
To me, it feels like he's just trying to maintain his stock and not hurt it. Going to the Senior Bowl and looking bad without elite Bama talent around him would confirm everything his naysayers have against him. Instead of proving them wrong, he sits out. This, and his performance against Oklahoma, will hurt his stock regardless. No reason for him to skip the Senior Bowl IMO.
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Unless he absolutely lights it up at the combine and / or Bama Pro day, I think his stock is in free fall.
 
The1ApplePie said:
So are people starting to figure out that McCarron is an over-hyped, under-talented Matt Barkley?
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FWIW, I think about 80% of this board (including myself *humble brag*) all thought that about him. There were only about 20% defenders (you can find them in this thread and elsewhere).

I think the main place I've heard McCarron's name is on ESPN and local sports radio, which I'm starting to understand are all idiots the more I hang out around this message board.

He will be better than Matt Barkley though.
 
I've watched his youtube videos, the highlights as well as his cutups against certain teams. I like the guy. I mean really like the guy. He's not my favorite QB in this draft, but I see no reason he can't be a franchise QB.

He's got the size, good enough arm, smart with the ball, & plays well. I understand he's had a lot of help, he's not as flashy as some of the other guys, definitely not as athletic.

But I hope he falls in the draft, I hope he has a chip on his shoulder, & if we draft Bridgewater or Manziel, I hope we get him in the 3rd/4th..... Kirk Cousins like insurance.
 
thunderkyss said:
...But I hope he falls in the draft, I hope he has a chip on his shoulder, & if we draft Bridgewater or Manziel, I hope we get him in the 3rd/4th..... Kirk Cousins like insurance.
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I don't see it happening TK. We have more holes to fill than picks to fill them with. I think I can safely predict you won't see a Shanny move for McCarron. Just ain't gonna happen.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Should I care about how athletic my QB is?

If I should, I'm doing it wrong.
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yep. unless he is Luck, Collin K., RGIII or someone who can a difference make with athleticism, then running a 4.75 40 when we think he is going to run 4.85 probably is not significant.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
yep. unless he is Luck, Collin K., RGIII or someone who can a difference make with athleticism, then running a 4.75 40 when we think he is going to run 4.85 probably is not significant.
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Maybe he is Kapaernick-esque and that rat Saban has been holding him back this whole time......
 
TexansFTW said:
FWIW, I think about 80% of this board (including myself *humble brag*) all thought that about him. There were only about 20% defenders (you can find them in this thread and elsewhere).

I think the main place I've heard McCarron's name is on ESPN and local sports radio, which I'm starting to understand are all idiots the more I hang out around this message board.

He will be better than Matt Barkley though.
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So do you expect more of a Leinhart type career where he's a backup and then slowly fades away?
 
Marshall said:
So do you expect more of a Leinhart type career where he's a backup and then slowly fades away?
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McCarron is my favorite QB in this class. I know most people are down on him. But he's the guy I would be targeting. It sucks that he had such a talented team in Alabama, but the team I plan to put him on is even better.

I think he's the most ready to start of all of them.
 
thunderkyss said:
McCarron is my favorite QB in this class. I know most people are down on him. But he's the guy I would be targeting. It sucks that he had such a talented team in Alabama, but the team I plan to put him on is even better.

I think he's the most ready to start of all of them.
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And what team is that? I don't think there is any team in the NFL right now that is as comparatively dominant and has such a wide talent gap over the competition as Bama does in the NCAA.
 
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