Does either Yates or Keenum give you a better chance to win that Schaub.

[busterspencer]

Simple question - Does either Yates or Keenum give you a better chance to win that Schaub.



1 Yes , Yates

2 Yes , Keenum

3 No

4 Texan Bill for QB.

I was hoping Schaub would be better this year..He had a great 1st half and was throwing the ball down the field. The the second half he started throwing the ball to the bubble screen and short of the 1st down on 3rd down. I am ready to try a new QB. We need to start Yates and Keenum in the next few weeks to see what we have before we draft a QB in the draft. Like I said I have given Schaub every oppertunity to show he is the one but now is the time to move on.

 

[dream_team]

Sure, we have to take into account the lesser talent level that Keenum faced in college.

That's why when I evaluated him, I did these things:

1. I evaluated games he played against better defenses, like Alabama, UCLA, S. Miss, Penn St., Miss St., Oregon, TCU, E. Carolina (the years they had good defense under Skip Holtz, who had been with major teams like ND, Fla St, S. Car., and won multi C-USA championships.)

2. I evaluated games he played against common opponents in the same year with drafted QBs like Luck, RG III, Weeden, Ponder, etc.)

3. I evaluated his O-line play; for example, against UCLA in 2011, he was under pressure some 24-25 times as compared to 4 by Luck.
UH played UCLA early in the year, while Stanford played UCLA late, when the Bruins suffered some injuries in the secondary.

On the details, I check to see:

1. How fast does the ball leaves his hand on a 10-yd route, an intermediate route between 15-22 yards, a deep route of 30-40 yards as compared to other QBs from the same formation, running the same or a similar play.
(In his Fr year, the Cougars did run a small but significant number of plays out of the traditional I formation with 2 backs and a TE. They did run a few bootleg out of the PA just like the Texans have been doing.)
In the spread, Keenum got the ball out a hair faster than RG III, and much quicker than Weeden, for example.

2. How good is his presnap read. Can he reads defense and find the open receiver against that particular defense.
Does he recognize a potential blitzer and counter the D-call, making the aggressors pay for their aggressiveness.

3. On the post-snap read, can he recognize the disguises of the defense so as not to make stupid mistakes like Schaub has been doing on a consistent basis.

4. Does he understand his own protection scheme; for example, when the QB has max-protect (let say 7 blockers against 4), he can afford to stay in the pocket longer, and not having happy feet, or panic too soon.
When he has one-on-one protection, it means that his five weapons would also have single coverage (plus a single safety deep), the QB wants to find the mis-match .

There are a whole lot more nuances than just those things.
I took Bill Walsh's manual for things that he wants when evaluating a QB, and apply it, basically.

I rated Keenum more highly than Kolb or Ware (at the same moment in time before their respective draft period.)
So, there you have it; a few things in my thought process when I try to evaluate a QB for the draft.

Serious question, I'm not trying to be a smart-a**. So why was he undrafted? What was it about him that scouts didn't like? I don't buy being too short, or lack of competition, or inflated stats, being the main reasons he went undrafted.

 

[htownfan32]

breh or brah or whatever has a stench of 4chan edginess about him.

 

[Grams]

I went with Keenum.

I just thinks he brings an excitement to the offense that the other 2 do not. During preseason the offense seemed to have more energy when he was in.

I would just like to see what he can do in a real NFL game.

 

[santo]

Serious question, I'm not trying to be a smart-a**. So why was he undrafted? What was it about him that scouts didn't like? I don't buy being too short, or lack of competition, or inflated stats, being the main reasons he went undrafted.

I could be wrong, but it may have to do with the fact that he played at uh, is not tall enough and was injured during the combine.

 

[htownfan32]

Serious question, I'm not trying to be a smart-a**. So why was he undrafted? What was it about him that scouts didn't like? I don't buy being too short, or lack of competition, or inflated stats, being the main reasons he went undrafted.

I feel like those actually are the issues scouts have with him. Height really shouldn't mean too much now, but I've heard arm strength and lack of familiarity with the pro style offense as knocks on him.

 

[DX-TEX]

jeez....Ive calmed down since Sunday. Some of you are STILL going at this??

Fact isL switching QB's at week 5 of a season is just plain stupid. Not opinion but fact. Teams don't do it because all it says is you have given up on the season.

Stop it

 

[thunderkyss]

breh or brah or whatever has a stench of 4chan edginess about him.

I really didn't know...... learned something. I thought he was trying to say Brah.... like a hippie surfer

from the jamaican word bretheren (means brother, whereas sistheren, is sister)
wheres ur breh's now?

I would imagine it is pronounced breah.... like bretheren, bread.

 

[DBCooper]

breh or brah or whatever has a stench of 4chan edginess about him.

"Stench" is a good word.

 

[leebigeztx]

Serious question, I'm not trying to be a smart-a**. So why was he undrafted? What was it about him that scouts didn't like? I don't buy being too short, or lack of competition, or inflated stats, being the main reasons he went undrafted.

I'm just gonna say this matter a factly,he doesn't have a nfl arm. I was at camp on the sidelines standing next to pat kirwan and soloman wilcots. We were right there watching the qbs throw. When the qbs started throwing 15yd comeback and out route,case and matt schaub ball looked like a parachute was attached to it. The lack of rpms on the ball vs a ghost db was alarming. Its clear as day to anyone watching that yates has the best arm of the 3 and its not really close.

Case is a smaller,mobile version of schaub. His arm talent would restrict the playbook as much as schaubs. I'm not saying yates is the future either,but I think he's the most talented qb on this roster. He's mobile,strong,and has an nfl arm. He has good arm talent without a doubt. Ideally,yates is probably a hold the fort guy probably.

 

[Craig.]

You guys can have Mr. Excitement, I'd rather go with the guy that gives you the best chance to win.

That's not Yates and it sure as HELL isn't Keenum.

 

[Rey]

I'm just gonna say this matter a factly,he doesn't have a nfl arm. I was at camp on the sidelines standing next to pat kirwan and soloman wilcots. We were right there watching the qbs throw. When the qbs started throwing 15yd comeback and out route,case and matt schaub ball looked like a parachute was attached to it. The lack of rpms on the ball vs a ghost db was alarming. Its clear as day to anyone watching that yates has the best arm of the 3 and its not really close.

Case is a smaller,mobile version of schaub. His arm talent would restrict the playbook as much as schaubs. I'm not saying yates is the future either,but I think he's the most talented qb on this roster. He's mobile,strong,and has an nfl arm. He has good arm talent without a doubt. Ideally,yates is probably a hold the fort guy probably.

Strong arm isn't the end all. Part if what made keenum so good in college and to a degree in pre-season is his anticipation and placement and quick reads.

Peyton doesn't have a cannon. Never did, and he sure as hell doesn't have a cannon now.

Personally I think case has a stronger arm than Matt, but going with your premise we can make a comparison that shows that there is something different about the way they throw the ball. Keenum very rarely floats balls that offensive players have to wait on. That's a trademark of Schaub's. If you look at film of keenum you see him consistently hit guys in stride. Even this past pre season.

So you can say they have the same arm, but anyone can look at game film and see that their throws are very different.

 

[htownfan32]

You guys can have Mr. Excitement, I'd rather go with the guy that gives you the best chance to win.

That's not Yates and it sure as HELL isn't Keenum.

Is that an indirect way of saying we should sign Josh Freeman?

 

[DX-TEX]

"Hey Ben how would you like to be traded to the Texans?"

Trade for the man Rick!

 

[htownfan32]

"Hey Ben how would you like to be traded to the Texans?"

Trade for the man Rick!

Ugh. That gif just makes me uncomfortable, especially given that it's Rapistberger...

 

[Scooter]

ew, no thanks on ben. has there ever been a quarterback who holds onto the ball as long? he's not very accurate, takes forever to find his target, and hiss off-field antics arent exactly "texans worthy".

 

[DX-TEX]

ew, no thanks on ben. has there ever been a quarterback who holds onto the ball as long? he's not very accurate, takes forever to find his target, and hiss off-field antics arent exactly "texans worthy".

He got married and settled down. He is mobile, has a good arm and I think he would thrive in this system with the roll outs.

 

[brakos82]

 

[VTexan]

breh or brah or whatever has a stench of 4chan edginess about him.

you know that OT we drafted this year (his name escapes me but like the 4-5th round) posted on /sp/ the moment he got drafted.

 

[thunderkyss]

Is there any reason to believe Tj... or Case.. couldn't be better than Jake Locker?

Just last year we were talking about how bad Locker was. It's early, but he's completing 62% of his passes, he's thrown 6 TD passess, ran 1 in, no INTs, & a 99 passer rating.

Compared to 65% completion, 8 TD, 6 INTs, & an 85.7 passer rating.

 

[Lucky]

Serious question, I'm not trying to be a smart-a**. So why was he undrafted? What was it about him that scouts didn't like? I don't buy being too short, or lack of competition, or inflated stats, being the main reasons he went undrafted.

Buy it or not, size and perceived arm strength do matter to NFL teams on draft day. So does the level of competition.

Of the 11 QBs taken in the 2012 draft, 8 were chosen in the first 102 selections. 7 of the 8 either are starters or have started. Of the remaining 3, all chosen in the 6th or 7th round, none had the collegiate career of Keenum. However, all fit the NFL "prototype" mold for a QB in terms of size. That's because NFL teams believe they can make a QB from good ingredients. Rather than take a guy with less than ideal measurables who has produced, or in their terms "overachieved".

There hasn't been a QB taken in the 5th or lower round that has started a substantial number of games since the 2005 draft (where there were 3). Before that, you would have to go back to the 2000 draft where Brady was picked up in the bottom of the 6th round. NFL teams don't spend a lot of effort developing late round QBs. In terms of historical perspective, both Yats and Keenum have the odds against them in terms of becoming consistent NFL starters.

 

[Nitrofish]

The odd lot theory applies here. Also maybe less intelligent people can draw the connection between case, uofh, the texans and this poll.

Good grief brah

Yea don't forget that these guys are still being emotional and Schaub's pick 6. I means someone even said we would have had a better chance to win with Tebow against the Hawks. How much more desperate can you get than that? IMO the emotional homerism with Keenum is staggering here. Everyone rags on Kubiak about what an idiot he is, but when he signed Keenum, he was a genius according to them.

I was hoping Schaub would be better this year..He had a great 1st half and was throwing the ball down the field. The the second half he started throwing the ball to the bubble screen and short of the 1st down on 3rd down. I am ready to try a new QB. We need to start Yates and Keenum in the next few weeks to see what we have before we draft a QB in the draft. Like I said I have given Schaub every oppertunity to show he is the one but now is the time to move on.

It's week 4 dude. What are you talking about? We should already be giving up on the season and talking about next years draft?

jeez....Ive calmed down since Sunday. Some of you are STILL going at this??

Fact isL switching QB's at week 5 of a season is just plain stupid. Not opinion but fact. Teams don't do it because all it says is you have given up on the season.

Stop it

Good to see not everyone has lost their minds permanently. Talk about this kind of thing if the Texans are clearly out of the playoff picture, but after week 4? I think not.

Strong arm isn't the end all. Part if what made keenum so good in college and to a degree in pre-season is his anticipation and placement and quick reads.

Peyton doesn't have a cannon. Never did, and he sure as hell doesn't have a cannon now.

Personally I think case has a stronger arm than Matt, but going with your premise we can make a comparison that shows that there is something different about the way they throw the ball. Keenum very rarely floats balls that offensive players have to wait on. That's a trademark of Schaub's. If you look at film of keenum you see him consistently hit guys in stride. Even this past pre season.

So you can say they have the same arm, but anyone can look at game film and see that their throws are very different.

Did you just compare Keenum's football IQ to that of Peyton Manning?

Ummm... sure.

Is there any reason to believe Tj... or Case.. couldn't be better than Jake Locker?

Just last year we were talking about how bad Locker was. It's early, but he's completing 62% of his passes, he's thrown 6 TD passess, ran 1 in, no INTs, & a 99 passer rating.

Compared to 65% completion, 8 TD, 6 INTs, & an 85.7 passer rating.

Let's see how that shakes out by the end of the year. Remember, it's not how you start. It's how you finish!

 

[thunderkyss]

Let's see how that shakes out by the end of the year. Remember, it's not how you start. It's how you finish!

I agree. But I don't like the argument that Tj & Case can't start in this league. They may not be able to run the offense with Matt's efficiency, but it's questionable if Schaub can either.

Neither Tj or Case is as talented as Luck (though '76 will try to convince you) but they're damn sure as talented as Ponder & Locker. Ponder got his team to the play-offs last season, limitations & all. Locker is looking better than decent so far... good enough to win anyway. Neither guy is doing it by themselves & we've already established that we don't expect Matt to do it by himself either.

We don't need Tj or Case to be Kaepernick, RG3, Russell Wilson, or Andrew Luck. If they can play as well as Ponder & Locker, we'll win some games.

 

[Dread-Head]

you dont think there's institutional racism in the nfl?

i mean we are talking about a league where they force nfl owners to interview black candidates(rooney rule).

good grief.

Interview yes? Hire apparently not. The league saying "talk to a few guys you MIGHT find someone" isn't the same as telling the owners "X% of your coaches must be minorities."

Insofar as league racism is concerned let's pretend that there WASN'T a gentleman's agreement at one point that all QB's would be white. Vince Evans and Doug Williams shocked the hell out of some in the 70s when they were drafted by the Bears and Buccaneers respectively. My hero Mr. Warren Moon despite having kick ass stats while at Washington and having lead his team to a ROSE BOWL victory in his senior year wasn't even DRAFTED by the NFL. He had to prove his worth in CANADA before getting a shot with the Oilers. When Doug Williams lead the Redskins to a Superbowl victory all anyone could talk about was the fact that he was black. We SHOULD have simply said that a guy who was a starter and BECAME a back up pulled off an upset against John Elway and that should have been the story.
The NFL has been 80% black for a minute, it's a bit insulting to say that of the gifted athletes (many of whom are quite intelligent) who are black who played this game only a smattering are good enough to be considered to enter the coaching ranks? REALLY?
Let's look at the respect paid to black NFL coaches:

Tony Dungee: Builds a championship team in Tampa Bay. He's FIRED and replaced with John Gruden and the team Dungee built wins the Superbowl the following year. Dungee isn't mentioned at all, but Gruden is declared a coaching GENIUS despite the fact that he couldn't get his team to the playoffs ever again. While Dungee leads Payton Manning and the Colts to a Superbowl victory.

Mike Tomlin: Takes over the Steelers and they win a Superbowl. Rather than declaring him a "genius" the way Gruden was, it was said that he won one on auto pilot with a team built by Bill Cower. Yet it's over looked that years after Cower was gone he got them back to ANOTHER one.

Mike Singletary: Takes over in Frisco mid season then gets fired at the end of the following season. Was building a pretty promising team. He gets fired and replaced by one of the A-hole Harbaugh brothers. And they make the playoffs. Harbaugh is declared a genius.


My point? The late Mr. Rooney (May he rest in peace) knew the game of football and on the whole wasn't a bad guy. I like his rule. No one is forcing a single owner to hire ANYONE who isn't a good fit for their organizations, they're merely saying sit down and talk to someone and you MIGHT find someone who you MIGHT have otherwise overlooked.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

TJ, you might want to STFU.: 3TDs/4INTs/16 sacks.............

 

[Exascor]

I'm ready to move on from Schaub but realize that he's the Texans best option for this year. Yates looks like a less experienced Schaub with better wheels. Yates seems like a really good lifetime backup QB. Keenum is harder to read. He seems to bring the same physical skills that Yates has but is more of a natural leader. If Schaub were to get hurt, I'd rather try Keenum than Yates. Keenum is either the future starting QB or a waste of a roster spot.

 

[Texan_Bill]

TJ, you might want to STFU.: 3TDs/4INTs/16 sacks.............

 

[Texan_Bill]

"Hey Ben how would you like to be traded to the Texans?"

Trade for the man Rick!

NOT COOL! Jerry Sandusky is freaked out by that gif.

 

[Dread-Head]

I'm ready to move on from Schaub but realize that he's the Texans best option for this year. Yates looks like a less experienced Schaub with better wheels. Yates seems like a really good lifetime backup QB. Keenum is harder to read. He seems to bring the same physical skills that Yates has but is more of a natural leader. If Schaub were to get hurt, I'd rather try Keenum than Yates. Keenum is either the future starting QB or a waste of a roster spot.

So basically we have two career back up QBs and a STARTER who spent 5 years as a back up and still THINKS/plays like one? Did Kubiak kiss us before he decided to DUCK us QB wise?

 

[deucetx]

Think we're also forgetting another factor that is rather important...

The offensive line. Currently Newton is 3rd in the league in QB hurries allowed among tackles. Wade Smith and Brooks are tied for 5th in the league among guards. Do any really think Yates and Keenum need to see this type of pressure their first time out going into week 5? Maybe later down the line but right now the offensive line is in more shambles than Matt Schaub. They can't pass block a blind monkey at this point.

 

[texanskan]

Look we are not going to win with Schaub (hell I am concerned we won't win with Kubiak but I feel he has gotten better) so we need to see what we have on the roster.

Nobody here knows if Keenum can play at this level but it is time to find out because we have a super bowl roster and if he can't than we need to go out and get someone who can.

To me Yates is a backup, a good one who can come in and do what Charlie Batch would do in Pittsburgh when Ben would get hurt.

My goodness look at the super bowl teams last year one changed their qb and the other fired their OC after 11 games

 

[Double Barrel]

Strong arm isn't the end all. Part if what made keenum so good in college and to a degree in pre-season is his anticipation and placement and quick reads.

Peyton doesn't have a cannon. Never did, and he sure as hell doesn't have a cannon now.

Personally I think case has a stronger arm than Matt, but going with your premise we can make a comparison that shows that there is something different about the way they throw the ball. Keenum very rarely floats balls that offensive players have to wait on. That's a trademark of Schaub's. If you look at film of keenum you see him consistently hit guys in stride. Even this past pre season.

So you can say they have the same arm, but anyone can look at game film and see that their throws are very different.

Not debating for Case to start, just talking about skills.

One of the things I really liked about Keenum was something you nailed: hitting his receivers while they were in stride. This gives them the opportunity to gain additional yardage with relative ease because their forward momentum is aided by a good timed pass.

Schaub always seems to place the ball BEHIND them, so they have to slow down, turn their bodies backwards, to catch the ball. This means they do not have the full momentum of their run after the catch, and they are often left vulnerable to defenses. I think A.J. has developed a keen sense to just fall to the ground with these catches to save himself. It drives me crazy to see so many QBs hitting receivers in stride and more often than not, our QB seems a second off. I'm pretty sure that first pick 6 with the Titans was due to his late delivery.

TJ, you might want to STFU.: 3TDs/4INTs/16 sacks.............

Remember, those stats are from when he was THIRD STRING ROOKIE that had very little reps in this offense.

And he helped win a playoff spot and a playoff game in that rookie season.

I'm not advocating change right now, but I think stats need perspective, all things considered.

 

[2012Champs]

Look we are not going to win with Schaub (hell I am concerned we won't win with Kubiak but I feel he has gotten better) so we need to see what we have on the roster.

Nobody here knows if Keenum can play at this level but it is time to find out because we have a super bowl roster and if he can't than we need to go out and get someone who can.

To me Yates is a backup, a good one who can come in and do what Charlie Batch would do in Pittsburgh when Ben would get hurt.

My goodness look at the super bowl teams last year one changed their qb and the other fired their OC after 11 games

A little nugget you may be overlooking is that Case couldnt beat Yates out for the back up role

 

[thunderkyss]

TJ, you might want to STFU.: 3TDs/4INTs/16 sacks.............

I thought that was where we set the bar.

Any of those INTs equate to 6 points for the other team?

 

[Thorn]

A little nugget you may be overlooking is that Case couldnt beat Yates out for the back up role

Keenum may not be ready to start games in the NFL right now, and Yates does have some experience. But's Keenums upside is much greater. Next year will be Keenums year.

 

[2012Champs]

Keenum may not be ready to start games in the NFL right now, and Yates does have some experience. But's Keenums upside is much greater. Next year will be Keenums year.

and next year might be when case takes over yates' spot but he wasnt ready this year. If Case's skills were that much better than Yates he would have taken the spot even with the lack of experiance

 

[b0ng]

Serious question, I'm not trying to be a smart-a**. So why was he undrafted? What was it about him that scouts didn't like? I don't buy being too short, or lack of competition, or inflated stats, being the main reasons he went undrafted.

26 year old rookie with multiple knee surgeries that does not have the build or arm that you really want in a franchise QB.

The only part that's negotiable is the "arm" part unfortunately.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Remember, those stats are from when he was THIRD STRING ROOKIE that had very little reps in this offense.

And he helped win a playoff spot and a playoff game in that rookie season.

I'm not advocating change right now, but I think stats need perspective, all things considered.

But also I'm sure nobody wants to point to Yates' 2012 stats, where in his 4 games, he completed 40% of his 10 passes, had no TDs and 1 INT and 1 sack, 2 fumbles with 1 lost, with a passer rating of 11.7 passer rating

 

[2012Champs]

TJ, you might want to STFU.: 3TDs/4INTs/16 sacks.............

he fumbled 5 times in 6 games lost 3 of them and was sacked 15 times

 

[chenjy9]

I don't know if either of our backups are better than Schaub, but realistically, how much worse can they be?

 

[2012Champs]

I don't know if either of our backups are better than Schaub, but realistically, how much worse can they be?

A lot worse realisitically and you asking that shows that being realistic isnt something you want to do


Yates averaged 61% completion 172 yards per game in is 5.5 during 2011 with 3 TDs 3 INTs and 3 lost fumbles and avg 2.72 sacks per

Currently Matt is at 65.5% 298 yards per game through 4 with 8 TDs 6 INTs and zero fumbles 2.75 sacks per game

 

[dream_team]

26 year old rookie with multiple knee surgeries that does not have the build or arm that you really want in a franchise QB.

The only part that's negotiable is the "arm" part unfortunately.

Thanks. I had no idea he was that old.

 

[Come On Breh]

and next year might be when case takes over yates' spot but he wasnt ready this year. If Case's skills were that much better than Yates he would have taken the spot even with the lack of experiance

he fumbled 5 times in 6 games lost 3 of them and was sacked 15 times

A lot worse realisitically and you asking that shows that being realistic isnt something you want to do


Yates averaged 61% completion 172 yards per game in is 5.5 during 2011 with 3 TDs 3 INTs and 3 lost fumbles and avg 2.72 sacks per

Currently Matt is at 65.5% 298 yards per game through 4 with 8 TDs 6 INTs and zero fumbles 2.75 sacks per game

:mariopalm::kubepalm::wadepalm:

COME ON BREH!!!!!!!!!!!!

How long have you been a Texan fan?

The reason why Case never got the #2 job despite outplaying Yates is because Kubiak is a gutless risk averse coward who doesnt have a bold bone in his body. We are talking about a guy who is scared to look at crucial field goal kicks. Case basically outplayed or at the very least played Yates to a draw this preseason despite all the experience and reps Yates had over Keenum.

He chose Yates as #2 because that would give Schaub the security blanket he needs so that when Schaub starts sucking (que schaub sucking) the alternative is worse than schaub. If Kubiak named Keenum #2, we would be embroiled in a legitimate QB controversy with the entire city of houston calling for Case Keenum. I mean its already happening right now.

This is Kubiak's standard operating procedure, his modus operandi. He is arrogantly loyal to a fault to his guys. All you have to do is look at the frank bush situation where he hired a totally inexperienced coordinator and refused to fire him and had to be threatened to hire wade phillips or get fired. Heck, just look at the joe marciano situation, a totally incompetent specials teams coach who is still employed and still causing incompetent havoc in special teams. He did this with unproductive players as well like with travis johnson, amobi okoye, kevin walter, zac diles, and he's still doing it to this very day with matt schaub, kareem jackson, brice mccain, shiloh keo.

We almost lost out on arian foster because Kubiak refused to bench steve slaton and only lucked out on foster when slaton got injured.

I mean i dont like Yates because as some posters in this thread have said he is basically Schaub 2.0. The young version of Schaubiak. Still maybe there is hope that he has improved from his rookie year when he was thrust into the starting lineup. Lets at least find out NOW about the two young qbs instead of waiting another year especially when this upcoming draft class has potential in the QB position.

 

[2012Champs]

:mariopalm::kubepalm::wadepalm:

COME ON BREH!!!!!!!!!!!!

How long have you been a Texan fan?

The reason why Case never got the #2 job despite outplaying Yates is because Kubiak is a gutless risk averse coward who doesnt have a bold bone in his body. We are talking about a guy who is scared to look at crucial field goal kicks. Case basically outplayed or at the very least played Yates to a draw this preseason despite all the experience and reps Yates had over Keenum.

He chose Yates as #2 because that would give Schaub the security blanket he needs so that when Schaub starts sucking (que schaub sucking) the alternative is worse than schaub. If Kubiak named Keenum #2, we would be embroiled in a legitimate QB controversy with the entire city of houston calling for Case Keenum. I mean its already happening right now.

This is Kubiak's standard operating procedure, his modus operandi. He is arrogantly loyal to a fault to his guys. All you have to do is look at the frank bush situation where he hired a totally inexperienced coordinator and refused to fire him and had to be threatened to hire wade phillips or get fired. Heck, just look at the joe marciano situation, a totally incompetent specials teams coach who is still employed and still causing incompetent havoc in special teams. He did this with unproductive players as well like with travis johnson, amobi okoye, kevin walter, zac diles, and he's still doing it to this very day with matt schaub, kareem jackson, brice mccain, shiloh keo.

We almost lost out on arian foster because Kubiak refused to bench steve slaton and only lucked out on foster when slaton got injured.

I mean i dont like Yates because as some posters in this thread have said he is basically Schaub 2.0. The young version of Schaubiak. Still maybe there is hope that he has improved from his rookie year when he was thrust into the starting lineup. Lets at least find out NOW about the two young qbs instead of waiting another year especially when this upcoming draft class has potential in the QB position.

Case being named number two would do nothing to Schaub or his mindset. I dont believe for a second that Gary decided to keep TJ at #2 because he didnt want to bother Matt. Further more I will wager you 1000.00 if both case and tj are suited and Matt goes down in a game it will not be Case that takes the field first.

 

[ObsiWan]

TJ, you might want to STFU.: 3TDs/4INTs/16 sacks.............

Geez, Doc. I never seen you this P.O.'ed for this long.

although I just looked up T.J.'s stats and was just about to post something very similar

 

[htownfan32]

you know that OT we drafted this year (his name escapes me but like the 4-5th round) posted on /sp/ the moment he got drafted.

Yeah, that's how the whole "Based Brennan Williams is the most qt3.14 player in the NFL" thing got started lol

Edit: on Brennan Williams' father's page (Brent Williams) on Wikipedia:

His son is professional player Brennan Williams, who is considered the best and qt3.14-est player in the history of the NFL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Williams_(American_football)

 

[Come On Breh]

Case being named number two would do nothing to Schaub or his mindset. I dont believe for a second that Gary decided to keep TJ at #2 because he didnt want to bother Matt. Further more I will wager you 1000.00 if both case and tj are suited and Matt goes down in a game it will not be Case that takes the field first.

ahahahahahahahaaa what a joke you are.

We are talking about a qb who mentally folds in big time situations and someone who just folded his twitter account. did you see his press conference? the guy couldnt even answer why he is making all of his mistakes.

what a stupid post. Wager me money? Why? I agree with you, Yates will play instead of Keenum.

Did you not mentally register what i just previously wrote?

:vincepalm:

Just go ahead and log off matt schaub and stop pretending.

 

[2012Champs]

ahahahahahahahaaa what a joke you are.

We are talking about a qb who mentally folds in big time situations and someone who just folded his twitter account. did you see his press conference? the guy couldnt even answer why he is making all of his mistakes.

what a stupid post. Wager me money? Why? I agree with you, Yates will play instead of Keenum.

Did you not mentally register what i just previously wrote?

:vincepalm:

Just go ahead and log off matt schaub and stop pretending.

So you think putting a undrafted 26 year old kid as #2 would impact anyone other that yates whom he would be replacing? You are a joke kid. If Case is so much better or has a greater upside and the reason why he isnt #2 now is to protect matt, then why wouldnt Case get in the game if Matt goes down?

 

[htownfan32]

"Stench" is a good word.

It is. I'm all for Case whooping some ass, but I'm also not inflated with UH homerism with the belief that Case Keenum is the second coming of Tom Brady. If he keeps up the improvement trend there is a good chance of him upending TJ Yates as #2, but the belief that plugging him in right now will bring success, more than what Schaub or Yates could bring, is nuts. I should have voted no but in anger I voted yes for Yates, but if I am fully honest with myself neither gives us a better chance than Schaub, as pissed as I am with Schaub.

 

[Come On Breh]

So you think putting a undrafted 26 year old kid as #2 would impact anyone other that yates whom he would be replacing? You are a joke kid. If Case is so much better or has a greater upside and the reason why he isnt #2 now is to protect matt, then why wouldnt Case get in the game if Matt goes down?

good grief child.

So you think schaub is mentally strong? You dont think he would get affected if the fans start calling for Keenum while he continues to stink it up if Keenum was named #2?

Both would be affected but my posts was mostly about Kubiak not wanting someone breathing down Schaub's neck.

Learn to analyze what you are reading.

child.

or should i say schaub? I guess we know how you voted in this poll.