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Ed Reed agrees to terms with Texans

thunderkyss said:
They probably just made it for the press conference (that's probably why they were waiting so long to announce it). It's like the Watt or Mario jersey with the #1 on it. Doesn't really mean anything.

OTH, I bet there will be a few days this offseason where Carmichael doesn't have a job if he doesn't agree to relinquish the number.
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Pretty sure this is what happened:

1. They had him pose with a #20 because Ed has always been #20. It's just for show. It's showing that he's with Houston now.

2. Ed and Roc will organize a "pony show" jersey number transaction during camp, which make for good P.R., and that's when he'll have #20.

Nothing to see here, fans, it was just us letting him pose with the number he's always been. A #1 jersey is for first round draft picks, there'd be no sense in having Ed hold up a #1 jersey. So they used the number he's always had.
 
I have to admit that I didn't think this signing would happen. I admit I was wrong. I think Reed will bring a lot more to the team than just what is expected. I think he could really help the offense mainly Schuab and young WR's in how and what to look for so to speak.
 
RT22 said:
I have to admit that I didn't think this signing would happen. I admit I was wrong. I think Reed will bring a lot more to the team than just what is expected. I think he could really help the offense mainly Schuab and young WR's in how and what to look for so to speak.
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I think this is a really good point you're making. Reed is a student of the game, and I'm sure has a book on Schaub and the Texans offense. It would be smart for Kubiak to pick his brain on ways the offense could be better. Rep to you for mentioning that.
 
Texn4life said:
I'm sure has a book on Schaub and the Texans offense.
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My 1st grader could comprehend that book with relative ease and probably game plan effectively against Kubiak. The basics are as follows:

- Schaub is a weak-armed statue that will start going fetal at the first sign of pressure
- Flush Schaub from the pocket and he is zero threat to run and will throw the ball away 99 out of 100 times
- Schaub will throw the ball 6 yards on most 3rd and 10 situations
- Anything over 12 yards on third down will be a RB draw
- There is zero threat of any trick plays and zero creativity. An end around is the most complex play the offense will ever run
- Kubiak loves to kick field goals. Keep the offense outside the 35 and they will settle for FG attempts
- If the offense does get inside the 20 they will likely call run, run, pass on almost every set of downs
 
the wonger need food said:
My 1st grader could comprehend that book with relative ease and probably game plan effectively against Kubiak. The basics are as follows:

- Schaub is a weak-armed statue that will start going fetal at the first sign of pressure
- Flush Schaub from the pocket and he is zero threat to run and will throw the ball away 99 out of 100 times
- Schaub will throw the ball 6 yards on most 3rd and 10 situations
- Anything over 12 yards on third down will be a RB draw
- There is zero threat of any trick plays and zero creativity. An end around is the most complex play the offense will ever run
- Kubiak loves to kick field goals. Keep the offense outside the 35 and they will settle for FG attempts
- If the offense does get inside the 20 they will likely call run, run, pass on almost every set of downs
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Not saying that anything that you said is wrong, but I doubt your 1st grader or yourself would be able to convince Kubiak that there's a flaw to his approach. A future HOFer that you just brought in who's played against you 3 times in the last 2 years may be able to though. I hope Ed is brutally honest with him and Schaub too.
 
dalemurphy said:
Arian Foster!
agreed with Chicago on one year deal but the Texans lured him away with a 2 year deal.
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That doesn't really make sense. The contract isn't guaranteed and Foster would have been an exclusive rights free agent after year 1 or year 2. The reasons to go with the Texans would have been opportunity, signing bonus, and the weather.

Arian made the right choice.
 
EllisUnit said:
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med...iciliano/47a8f49a-658b-418a-bf13-f55f153a2cb3

I'm not gonna lie i was never really a big fan of the guy but what he says here in the last 2 minutes really made me like Ed Reed. Wow never gained so much respect from someone over something so small.

Yeah i know it might be strande that it took that for me to really like him, but what can i say :)
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I wouldn't call myself a fan of his either, but I always respected what he does. I'm really excited to have him on our team, finally we have someone with a reputation for making QBs pay. We never had a guy with a reputation for getting interceptions, not like this, not where Bradies or Mannings had to look for a particular person in our secondary.

Yeah, Jjo, Manning & Kjax are going to make it hard on receivers & QBs, but they don't have a reputation like Reed.

I know he's not the same guy he used to be, but we have two very nice corners & a nice safety in Manning, Reed's box just got a lot smaller. Especially with Watt & Antonio up front.
 
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General manager Rick Smith was not surprised when told free safety Ed Reed was working out in the Texans’ weight room about an hour after his introductory news conference.

“Every time I’ve spoken with Ed, whether on the phone or in person, he was either working out or on his way to work out,” Smith said. “That’s the kind of player he is. That’s the kind of dedication he has.”

After Smith got Reed under a three-year, $15 million contract that counts only $3.33 million against the salary cap this year, he turned his attention to punter Shane Lechler.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/

Talk about work ethic!
 
Texn4life said:
One of the guys more familiar with the cap would know better than me, but I think we have to leave some for rookie signings.
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Yes, we do. But the rookies salaries are pretty much locked in and not very negotiable. Add that to the fact that we're drafting relatively late, the contracts for the rookies aren't going to be that big.

IIRC, we had $11 million of cap space. We were expecting Reed to take about $6 million of that space this year. Along with Lechler's signing, THAT would leave us enough room for nothing but signing the rookies and vet-minimum contracts without someone re-structuring. But if we've got an extra $2.7 million, that means we might still be able to get one of the better free agents still on the market. (And of course, we can always restructure someone.)
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Yes, we do. But the rookies salaries are pretty much locked in and not very negotiable. Add that to the fact that we're drafting relatively late, the contracts for the rookies aren't going to be that big.

IIRC, we had $11 million of cap space. We were expecting Reed to take about $6 million of that space this year. Along with Lechler's signing, THAT would leave us enough room for nothing but signing the rookies and vet-minimum contracts without someone re-structuring. But if we've got an extra $2.7 million, that means we might still be able to get one of the better free agents still on the market. (And of course, we can always restructure someone.)
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I hope you're right....... It would be nice to plug a couple of more holds heading into the draft so we have more flexibility.
 
Texn4life said:
I hope you're right....... It would be nice to plug a couple of more holds heading into the draft so we have more flexibility.
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I'm not saying we WILL do that. But Reed isn't going to be as much of a cap hit as we expected so... maybe MAYBE we'll make another move.

Although we'll probably wait a while because the longer we wait, the lower the contracts go.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I'm not saying we WILL do that. But Reed isn't going to be as much of a cap hit as we expected so... maybe MAYBE we'll make another move.

Although we'll probably wait a while because the longer we wait, the lower the contracts go.
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I think an argument can be made for waiting or not waiting. Get best value in the draft, get the players you really love at the positions you need, and then wait until after to fill in the holes. Or, address a few positions before, go BPA in some spots in the draft you wouldn't have possibly been able to, and fill in some needs in the draft as well. There will still be some quality free agents out there after the draft though.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Yes, we do. But the rookies salaries are pretty much locked in and not very negotiable. Add that to the fact that we're drafting relatively late, the contracts for the rookies aren't going to be that big.

IIRC, we had $11 million of cap space. We were expecting Reed to take about $6 million of that space this year. Along with Lechler's signing, THAT would leave us enough room for nothing but signing the rookies and vet-minimum contracts without someone re-structuring. But if we've got an extra $2.7 million, that means we might still be able to get one of the better free agents still on the market. (And of course, we can always restructure someone.)
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We had less than $11M.
With the signing of McCain, Gardner, Reed, and Lechler plus the rookie (Not all of the guys on the reserve/future list will make it, releasing a little cap space there) my estimation is that the Texans is right up to the limit; maybe with a Mil to spare.

Any more signing will require restructuring a player or a cut.

Looks like Reed got a $4M signing bonus plus $1M base salary in 2013 (and an incentive for playing time of anothe $1M).

The signing bonus is pro-rated for 3 years, such that 1/3 is counted against the cap this year ($1.333+1+1= $3.333M).
 
76Texan said:
We had less than $11M.
With the signing of McCain, Gardner, Reed, and Lechler plus the rookie (Not all of the guys on the reserve/future list will make it, releasing a little cap space there) my estimation is that the Texans is right up to the limit; maybe with a Mil to spare.

Any more signing will require restructuring a player or a cut.

Looks like Reed got a $4M signing bonus plus $1M base salary in 2013 (and an incentive for playing time of anothe $1M).

The signing bonus is pro-rated for 3 years, such that 1/3 is counted against the cap this year ($1.333+1+1= $3.333M).
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Ah, well. I'd hoped that extra 2.7 would be able to be used on someone.
 
SAMURAITEXAN said:
After Smith got Reed under a three-year, $15 million contract that counts only $3.33 million against the salary cap this year, he turned his attention to punter Shane Lechler.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/

Talk about work ethic!
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& we're talking about $5.5M guaranteed..... yup, slowly starting to like Rick Smith (slowerly starting to think Greg Olsen is worth the air he breaths).
 
The impatience was what ticked me off.

All of us agreed that we should walk away if he wanted $7+...there's not been a beef over that issue.

What was frustrating, to me, was to see the impatience that resulted in posts claiming we were wasting time and going to miss out on other FAs.

Now that we see we landed Ed at a crazy friendly price, considering Glover Quin would have been a much more expensive option, it shows that patience pays off.

I was all for us walking away if he kept dragging his feet, and who knows...we might have told Ed that we had a Plan B and Plan C ready to go with if he didn't sign Friday. Never know.

I'd like us to add a vet minimum FA player or two to end our off-season spending, then re-structure a few guys if a free agent needs signing after the draft, before or during camp.

Then roll with what we got and see what happens in September. Hopefully January goes better this time around.
 
GP said:
This FO is completely incompetent.

Signed,

Most of you prior to Friday
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Yep.
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76Texan said:
We had less than $11M.
With the signing of McCain, Gardner, Reed, and Lechler plus the rookie (Not all of the guys on the reserve/future list will make it, releasing a little cap space there) my estimation is that the Texans is right up to the limit; maybe with a Mil to spare.

Any more signing will require restructuring a player or a cut.

Looks like Reed got a $4M signing bonus plus $1M base salary in 2013 (and an incentive for playing time of anothe $1M).

The signing bonus is pro-rated for 3 years, such that 1/3 is counted against the cap this year ($1.333+1+1= $3.333M).
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The Pencil Neck said:
Ah, well. I'd hoped that extra 2.7 would be able to be used on someone.
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Upon further study of the salary cap rules, the Texans are still able to sign at least one more "quality" player even though at first look, the team is up to the cap space.

The reason being not all of the year-one cap charge to rookies apply until later, with the Texans already having more than 51 players under contract with salaries that are at least equitable in cap accounting.

My estimate is that the Texans can still sign another player with the same cap charge as Ed Reed without going over the cap.

Some players will have to be cut down the road at the time when the rules require the Texans to do so to stay under the cap (I'm not sure of the time - I need to study further about the effect of the June 1 designation among other things.)

In summary, if the Texans choose to go "win-now" mode, we may still see another signing or two. And they can sign a few players to the vet minimum as well. Free Agency doesn't have to end for the Texans yet.
 
76Texan said:
Upon further study of the salary cap rules, the Texans are still able to sign at least one more "quality" player even though at first look, the team is up to the cap space.

The reason being not all of the year-one cap charge to rookies apply until later, with the Texans already having more than 51 players under contract with salaries that are at least equitable in cap accounting.

My estimate is that the Texans can still sign another player with the same cap charge as Ed Reed without going over the cap.

Some players will have to be cut down the road at the time when the rules require the Texans to do so to stay under the cap (I'm not sure of the time - I need to study further about the effect of the June 1 designation among other things.)

In summary, if the Texans choose to go "win-now" mode, we may still see another signing or two. And they can sign a few players to the vet minimum as well. Free Agency doesn't have to end for the Texans yet.
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Given that the Texans have not asked Schaub, A.Smith, W.Smith, Foster, or OD to restructure, they can easily free an additional couple million dollars for the cap with minimal effort and harm to the cap moving forward. Also, this is a unique free agent market. There has never been this much talent free with so few available dollars in the history of the modern NFL.

Here's the list: http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/available/
 
GP said:
Now that we see we landed Ed at a crazy friendly price, considering Glover Quin would have been a much more expensive option, it shows that patience pays off.
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Why do you say that? Quin's deal is pretty cap friendly as well. Maybe $1M more this year & next, but still friendly.
 
thunderkyss said:
Why do you say that? Quin's deal is pretty cap friendly as well. Maybe $1M more this year & next, but still friendly.
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Here's my deal, Quin was a long term fix. We would of had safety spot rapped up with him for next 5-6 years. Reed is a short term fix. Either way we wouldn't of broken the bank. I think that we were eyeing reed all along problably the reason we never really tried to resign Quin. I guess we will see if it pays off our not this season.
 
EllisUnit said:
Here's my deal, Quin was a long term fix. We would of had safety spot rapped up with him for next 5-6 years. Reed is a short term fix. Either way we wouldn't of broken the bank. I think that we were eyeing reed all along problably the reason we never really tried to resign Quin. I guess we will see if it pays off our not this season.
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I think the coaching staff wasn't all that thrilled with Quin's development. I think that Wade and Vance sat down with Rick and said, "Hey, listen. Quin's been fine so far but we can do better. Why don't we upgrade the position in the short term by getting a more ball-hawking vet and then draft that guy's replacement for the long term, letting they rook learn from a great."

Sure, we could have had Quin signed and on the team for several years but that's not a "fix". That's a "more of the same."
 
There's only one thing I'm concerned about with Reed. He was suspended for a game last year because of accumulated hits on a defenseless player. The league later overturned it and fined him $50K. I hope it doesn't get in his head too much and take away his aggressiveness and I worry about the league trying to suspend him this year if he does happen to pick up a penalty. Its no wonder why he was trying to get as much money as possible.
 
Texn4life said:
There's only one thing I'm concerned about with Reed. He was suspended for a game last year because of accumulated hits on a defenseless player. The league later overturned it and fined him $50K. I hope it doesn't get in his head too much and take away his aggressiveness and I worry about the league trying to suspend him this year if he does happen to pick up a penalty. Its no wonder why he was trying to get as much money as possible.
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Now days you get a penalty if you look at the QB wrong, you now get one if you lead hit/tackle with the crown of your helmet this includes defense tackling or hitting a player.

This league is out of control. These guys know the risks of playing the game. It is a choice they make and the career they choose. This may be off subject but if the NFL wants to remain the most popular sport in the world than it better chill out with all these dumb rules for player safety otherwise there wont be any players to protect cause the NFL will be a thing of the past IMO.
 
EllisUnit said:
Now days you get a penalty if you look at the QB wrong, you now get one if you lead hit/tackle with the crown of your helmet this includes defense tackling or hitting a player.

This league is out of control. These guys know the risks of playing the game. It is a choice they make and the career they choose. This may be off subject but if the NFL wants to remain the most popular sport in the world than it better chill out with all these dumb rules for player safety otherwise there wont be any players to protect cause the NFL will be a thing of the past IMO.
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I understand why they're doing it, but for guys who have been taught to play the game a certain way all of their lives its not that easy to just switch it up all of a sudden. The play where Reed was fined was a hit where he turns trying not to just blow the guy up and hits him with his shoulder.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I think the coaching staff wasn't all that thrilled with Quin's development. I think that Wade and Vance sat down with Rick and said, "Hey, listen. Quin's been fine so far but we can do better. Why don't we upgrade the position in the short term by getting a more ball-hawking vet and then draft that guy's replacement for the long term, letting they rook learn from a great."

Sure, we could have had Quin signed and on the team for several years but that's not a "fix". That's a "more of the same."
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Quin's lack of ball skills is what led to his demise here in Houston.
 
Texn4life said:
I understand why they're doing it, but for guys who have been taught to play the game a certain way all of their lives its not that easy to just switch it up all of a sudden. The play where Reed was fined was a hit where he turns trying not to just blow the guy up and hits him with his shoulder.
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My whole point is that playing in the NFL is voluntary employment. If the guys are scared of getting hurt then they need to go get regular jobs making what we make. I know a lot of people who have already lost interest in the NFL over how powder puff it has become. They will only begin to lose more and more fans. And they will either have to go back old school or watch the game disappear.

At my job you have to sign a contract just to work here, stating that if you are hurt on the job or have and long term injuries after employment because of work assignments that the company is not liable. NFL implement the same thing and we can go back to some hard hitting.
 
EllisUnit said:
My whole point is that playing in the NFL is voluntary employment. If the guys are scared of getting hurt then they need to go get regular jobs making what we make. I know a lot of people who have already lost interest in the NFL over how powder puff it has become. They will only begin to lose more and more fans. And they will either have to go back old school or watch the game disappear.

At my job you have to sign a contract just to work here, stating that if you are hurt on the job or have and long term injuries after employment because of work assignments that the company is not liable. NFL implement the same thing and we can go back to some hard hitting.
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I understand, and its no different than any other dangerous job. Growing up around the refineries its the same way, but when that refinery fails to provide safety to their employees it still opens them up to litigation if one of their employees gets injured or dies.
 
beerlover said:
Quin's lack of ball skills is what led to his demise here in Houston.
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I don't know why everyone was so pissy about us letting Quin walk to the Lions.

For the price he was able to command, and how (IMO, at least) he had hit his ceiling, the idea of a truly 100% badass Ed Reed ballhawking at Free Safety for us rather than Quin...and a smooth $1 million LESS than Quin???

That's a no brainer on pure past performance measurables alone.

This could end up being the steal of free agency, actually. If things gel and the defense stays healthy. Best four-man secondary in the game right now. J-Jo and KJ at the corners, and Manning and Reed at safety. A lot of other teams would shoot a man after he left a car wash for that type of secondary. Then finish the guy off a few months down the road. #MarvinHarrisonStyle
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I think the coaching staff wasn't all that thrilled with Quin's development. I think that Wade and Vance sat down with Rick and said, "Hey, listen. Quin's been fine so far but we can do better. Why don't we upgrade the position in the short term by getting a more ball-hawking vet and then draft that guy's replacement for the long term, letting they rook learn from a great."

Sure, we could have had Quin signed and on the team for several years but that's not a "fix". That's a "more of the same."
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I think Andre called Reed to congratulate him after the Super Bowl. Reed saw the writing on the wall & asked Andre to get him to Houston. Andre passed his wishes on to the Texans F.O. Bob, Gary, Cal, Rick, & Wade congregated & asked themselves, is this team better with or without Ed Reed.

Once that was settled, they had to figure out how they could make it happen. It would cost too much to cut/trade Manning. We also just got him so it wouldn't make a lot of sense. I on the other hand was already trying to trade/cut him before the 2014 season, but that's neither here nor there.

Manning, imo, is good & versatile. He can play centerfield & he can play in the box. He's not as good as Quin in the box, imo, even though he is a better blitzer. He's not as good as Reed in Centerfield. In the long run, I think this team would have been better with Quin, but Reeds reputation is what they need on the field in 2013. QBs will be looking for Watt on the line, Cushing in the flats, & Reed deep.

I think they were confident they could get Ed Reed for a "fair" value. They allowed Quin to leave for what they thought was roughly the same money..... it just worked out that they got Reed for less than what Quin signed for.


GP said:
No it's not.

Heh...If a million is no big deal to you, then I don't know what to say.
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$1M of Bob's money, of the Texans' cap space...... not a big deal to me.


beerlover said:
Quin's lack of ball skills is what led to his demise here in Houston.
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He defensed 14 balls, intercepted 2, & I think forced a fumble. He's not a ballhawk, but his ball skills are fine. Different, but fine. & he's only getting better.

I really hate losing Quin, but I'd have most likely done the same thing given the circumstances.
 
My heavens, you DO understand that $1 million in extra cap space means we could get ANOTHER player at a vet minimum of like $500K or $750K????????

I think you know your idea is bad, but you're just committed to it for the sake of going down with your ship.

This isn't YOUR money, by the way. So it doesn't matter how you would spend it or not.

Each team can spend UP TO THE CAP, you do realize that, right? And you do realize, TK, that extra money means an extra player...so we actually end up with two players for the price of Glover Quin.

Simply amazing. The bad logic one can have over this situation.

Oh well.
 
This isn't about Andre getting in the ear of the front office, TK.

Geez Louise, what are you smoking tonight???

I mean, is it possible that the following happening (rather than AJ telling the front office there's this guy named Ed Reed they need to look at):

1. Glover Quin was due a BIG FAT ASS RAISE by somebody, anybody. He got one. Not form us, though. Because the FO knew what was going to happen...some team flush with a bazillion in cap space was going to take a run at one of Wade Phillips' young safeties who has a lot of tread on the tires.

2. While the run-up to free agency is occurring, the front office decides to skip the effort to re-sign Quin...and well, hmmm....WHAT IF we went after Ed Reed since we all know (since we in the front office are connected to the NFL world more than fans are) that the Ravens are going to have a fire sale once Flacco's contract hits the news. Hmmm....that just might be a good temporary fix, let's go talk to Gary and Wade about. And we'll keep Bob in the loop on this, too.

3. OK, so we're all on board with wooing Ed Reed to Houston. Sure, other teams are not making a run at him. But then again, we don't have a free safety anymore and we can draft one for the next two years and hopefully get him going for us OR find another one in FA the next two years. Send the jet, oh and by the way.......

4. ...Someone make sure Andre Johnson is staying in close contact with him. Let's leverage that relationship.

I mean, TK, come on man...you really think Ed Reed is here because he's been popping into Rick Smith's office or email inbox...letting them know we should get Ed Reed?

I'm pretty sure they knew AJ and Ed have had that relationship. Pretty sure they didn't need AJ making a sales job to the FO in order to put Ed on the radar.

The planets aligned in a way that got Ed Reed here, and AJ played a cursory role in it. Period.
 
thunderkyss said:
Manning, imo, is good & versatile. He can play centerfield & he can play in the box. He's not as good as Quin in the box, imo, even though he is a better blitzer. He's not as good as Reed in Centerfield. In the long run, I think this team would have been better with Quin, but Reeds reputation is what they need on the field in 2013. QBs will be looking for Watt on the line, Cushing in the flats, & Reed deep.
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We will need to get another ILB with good run stop and some cover skills and finally a big mean ass 2-gap NT to allow Manning to play back in a more natural position......a situation that would make a QB think even more before he let's a ball go.
 
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