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Jacoby's Gotta Go/**UPDATE**Released

I didn't know Jacoby was a 5th year starter.

He's in his 5th year...and was a starter. Hence 5th year starter. Does the semantics of what I typed really matter here? Fact is, he should know better...Jesus Christ. :gun:

Being a rookie does not excuse throwing into double and triple coverage on plays with 5 effing options. If #1 option is double/triple teamed, throw it to one of the other options. What happened to captain checkdown jr? Down the stretch he was passing to TE/RBs only. Now he get's AJ back and start's chucking up prayer into coverage. All the while he consistently missed opportunities to move the chains. In the case of the lastt game it costed us because of TOs.

:vincepalm: That's EXACTLY what being a 3rd string rookie affords him. Dude what planet do you live on? Who do you think the players were more pissed at after the game.. Yates or Janobody Jones? If you gave them a truth serum (because they aren't going to publicly trash their own) I assure you, they'd pick Janobody Jones.

There's a saying that gets tossed around from time to time. Every rookie QB is due to have a 3 INT game...well Yates had his against the Ravens. Guess what? It's totally excusable, he doesn't have NEAR the experience that Janobody has (starter or no starter).

I'll tell you what, When T.J. Yates is starting his 5th season in the league and is tossing 3 INTs in the playoffs, get back with me... Until then.. zip.
 
:vincepalm: One of the reasons why Yates had to throw so much was because instead of having a lead (which we had before Jones "Jacobied" the ball) we had to play from behind.

Get a clue here.. You can't pin the loss on a rookie and I expect more out of my 5 year vets. I expect them to atleast know what to do in a certain situation that even high school football players know what to do in the same situation. GET AWAY FROM THE FOOTBALL!

That play didnt lose them the game .... but it made the task of winning a playoff game on the road all the more difficult and was in the end the difference in the final score.

Take that 7 points Jones gifted the Ravens away and at worst the Ravens are up 16-13 (since they went for it on 4th and goal and failed I'll give them a FG for that drive). The Texans only need 3 to tie rather than 7 .... there's a good chance that game goes to OT. At that point its anyones game .....

Yates made some bad decisions .... none of them gift wrapped 7 points to the opponent. (tho the Ravens other TD did result from a Yates INT at the Texans 34).

I have to think if the Texans have a healthy Schaub they win that game even with Jones gift to the Ravens ..... and with Yates 3 INT's they at least get to OT if Jones doesnt make that mistake.


Either way , Jones has worn out his welcome here.
 
I expected him to miss wide open receivers, because he did that down the stretch. 3 INTs is inexcusable. Point blank. You can frame it however you like.

BTW I am not excusing Jacoby Jones' mistake. It was bonehead. But it did not cost us the game. TJ Yates did.

The Yates bashing is a red herring. If you can't make a case for a guy without bashing another one, then your case is weak.
 
I believe management will bring in another WR in the offseason by either draft or FA to actually challenge Jacoby. But he will likely be on the team next year, and will have his best statistical season of his career (as a #3 WR).

Janobody doesn't have a shot in hell at making this team next season. The Texans are going to make moves to replace him. There's not many "6th year projects" taking up roster spots in this league.

1st round pick will make the roster... could very well spend another pick on the position as well.

And if LeStar Jean stays healthy, (a 2nd year project) it'll almost guarantee that Janobody Jones has played his last down for the Houston Texans.
 
This forum has the annoying tendency to run 100% for/against people.

If they support you (Foster) you can do no wrong. If they turn on you (D-Rob, Jones, Okoye, Carr, etc.) you can do no right.

What people seem to be forgetting in all of their complaining is that Jones is a 3rd WR. If you're being honest, you can't even name most 3rd WRs in the NFL without looking it up. 3rd WRs are in that position because they're generally not that good; like Jones just isn't that good. They're behind at least 2 WR targets, and usually the #1 TE and RB.

I also think people underrate his blocking. He's played a major role in some big plays this year where other receivers (even fan faves like AJ) don't make the effort. That doesn't make him a good player, but it's a part of why he has a 90%+ chance of being a Texan next year.

He wasn't great returning punts this season, but the blocking he received was horrendous for the most part. How many of his big returns were called back because some jackanape threw a block in the back?

If you can afford to bring in a better FA WR or spend a draft pick on a potential upgrade, great. However, upgrading your 5th receiving option isn't exactly a top priority for any team in the NFL. Almost by default there is always going to be something bigger.

If they decide to draft AJ's successor this year and it bumps Jones down, or even off the Texan's roster, then I'm fine with that and happy with the upgrade. It's not a move I'm desperate for though, and Jones isn't the reason I would make it.
 
He's in his 5th year...and was a starter. Hence 5th year starter. Does the semantics of what I typed really matter here? Fact is, he should know better...Jesus Christ. :gun:
He's a 5th year player. But this is his 2nd season starting (and that is only because AJ was out both years).

:vincepalm: That's EXACTLY what being a 3rd string rookie affords him. Dude what planet do you live on? Who do you think the players were more pissed at after the game.. Yates or Janobody Jones? If you gave them a truth serum (because they aren't going to publicly trash their own) I assure you, they'd pick Janobody Jones.

No being a rookie does not allow you to cost your team the game. Being a rookie allows you "You don't have to force anything. Just don't lose us the game." That means don't throw 3 INTs.

GTfreakO dude. You're funny.

There's a saying that gets tossed around from time to time. Every rookie QB is due to have a 3 INT game...well Yates had his against the Ravens. Guess what? It's totally excusable, he doesn't have NEAR the experience that Janobody has (starter or no starter).

More comedy.

I'll tell you what, When T.J. Yates is starting his 5th season and the league and is tossing 3 INTs in the playoffs, get back with me... Until then.. zip.

Someone should take their own advice. ;)
 
This forum has the annoying tendency to run 100% for/against people.

If they support you (Foster) you can do no wrong. If they turn on you (D-Rob, Jones, Okoye, Carr, etc.) you can do no right.

What people seem to be forgetting in all of their complaining is that Jones is a 3rd WR. If you're being honest, you can't even name most 3rd WRs in the NFL without looking it up. 3rd WRs are in that position because they're generally not that good; like Jones just isn't that good. They're behind at least 2 WR targets, and usually the #1 TE and RB.

I also think people underrate his blocking. He's played a major role in some big plays this year where other receivers (even fan faves like AJ) don't make the effort. That doesn't make him a good player, but it's a part of why he has a 90%+ chance of being a Texan next year.

He wasn't great returning punts this season, but the blocking he received was horrendous for the most part. How many of his big returns were called back because some jackanape threw a block in the back?

If you can afford to bring in a better FA WR or spend a draft pick on a potential upgrade, great. However, upgrading your 5th receiving option isn't exactly a top priority for any team in the NFL. Almost by default there is always going to be something bigger.

If they decide to draft AJ's successor this year and it bumps Jones down, or even off the Texan's roster, then I'm fine with that and happy with the upgrade. It's not a move I'm desperate for though, and Jones isn't the reason I would make it.

Where your post misses is that Janobody wasn't supposed to be the #3 WR and he isn't paid like one either. The guy was supposed to be the #2 right now and he isn't living up to that. Also while it's true that you don't know who most #3s are...I do know that most #3s are either vets who used to be #1s or #2s (Hines Ward) or they're young up and comers who have the potential to be a #1 or #2. Now in which group does Janobody fit? Like I said earlier... There isn't a lot of "6th year projects" taking up a lot of spots on NFL rosters.

As far as us completely being in the tank for certain players or completely hating certain players and the players you listed.... (D-Rob, Jones, Okoye, Carr, etc.)

Look at the players that you listed and then tell me what every player NOT NAMED JONES has in common?

Gee, maybe there's a reason why the fans soured on those players...
 
Janobody doesn't have a shot in hell at making this team next season. The Texans are going to make moves to replace him. There's not many "6th year projects" taking up roster spots in this league.

1st round pick will make the roster... could very well spend another pick on the position as well.

And if LeStar Jean stays healthy, (a 2nd year project) it'll almost guarantee that Janobody Jones has played his last down for the Houston Texans.

While you might be right - and I sure wouldn't bet against it - that depends on Jacoby. Because J.Jones will be here come camp time. Whether or not he is here when the season starts is dependent on him and how he responds to the competition Smithiak brings in.
 
The Yates bashing is a red herring. If you can't make a case for a guy without bashing another one, then your case is weak.

Really? You can't even make a case for it being Jacoby's fault. 3 ints are worse than 1 muffed punt. Especially when 1 of them led to 7 points and the other 2 of the INTs were in the 4th quarter in a 4 point game.
 
He's a 5th year player. But this is his 2nd season starting (and that is only because AJ was out both years).



No being a rookie does not allow you to cost your team the game. Being a rookie allows you "You don't have to force anything. Just don't lose us the game." That means don't throw 3 INTs.

GTfreakO dude. You're funny.



More comedy.



Someone should take their own advice. ;)

LMAO... you want to talk about comedy, you're the only one doing the comedy routine in this thread. People aren't laughing with you BTW

Yates being a rookie gives him a excuse...it's called lack of experience. Guess what caused the 3 INTs? I'll give you a hint, it was the lack of a word that starts with a "e" and ends with a "e". Which happens to be the same damn thing that Janobody has..(regardless of how many years he's started :vincepalm: which I already went over), yet he still is making rookie mistakes.

I realize you're related to Janobody or might even be dating him, but c'mon. Don't worry though..when he moves to his next team they'll be a place for you on their message board as well.
 
Where your post misses is that Janobody wasn't supposed to be the #3 WR and he isn't paid like one either. The guy was supposed to be the #2 right now and he isn't living up to that. Also while it's true that you don't know who most #3s are...I do know that most #3s are either vets who used to be #1s or #2s (Hines Ward) or they're young up and comers who have the potential to be a #1 or #2. Now in which group does Janobody fit? Like I said earlier... There isn't a lot of "6th year projects" taking up a lot of spots on NFL rosters.

As far as us completely being in the tank for certain players or completely hating certain players and the players you listed.... (D-Rob, Jones, Okoye, Carr, etc.)

Look at the players that you listed and then tell me what every player NOT NAMED JONES has in common?

Gee, maybe there's a reason why the fans soured on those players...

Then why didn't he start a game until AJ went out? He was the #3 WR when AJ was starting. He went to #1 because he has the speed to stretch a defense (unlike Kevin Walter) who just started at #2 WR all season.

For comical purposes the answer to your question...
They're not with the Texans anymore (clever) ;)
 
LMAO... you want to talk about comedy, you're the only one doing the comedy routine in this thread. People aren't laughing with you BTW

Yates being a rookie gives him a excuse...it's called lack of experience. Guess what caused the 3 INTs? I'll give you a hint, it was the lack of a word that starts with a "e" and ends with a "e". Which happens to be the same damn thing that Janobody has..(regardless of how many years he's started :vincepalm: which I already went over), yet he still is making rookie mistakes.

I realize you're related to Janobody or might even be dating him, but c'mon. Don't worry though..when he moves to his next team they'll be a place for you on their message board as well.

Lack of experience does not excuse 3 INTs. The game plan every week since Yates took over was "Don't cost us the game". 3 INTs costed us the game. Point blank.
 
Then why didn't he start a game until AJ went out? He was the #3 WR when AJ was in the game. He went to #1 because he has the speed to stretch a defense (unlike Kevin Walter) who just started at #2 WR all season.

LMAO, the fact that you're still hung up on this shows two things..

1.) you don't know how to comprehend what I typed (already said the player was in his 5th year and has "started" in this league)...that's what I meant by 5th year starter and already explained that.

2.) You have absolutely NO argument and you're just trying to run a dog and pony show with your. "Don't focus on this...focus over here, focus on the thing that's completely irrelevant and isn't bashing Janobody" routine.

It isn't working and Janobody still SUCKS.
 
Really? You can't even make a case for it being Jacoby's fault. 3 ints are worse than 1 muffed punt. Especially when 1 of them led to 7 points and the other 2 of the INTs were in the 4th quarter in a 4 point game.

First a red herring and now a strawman argument. Feel free to go through the thread and quote me where I say that the loss is entirely his fault.
 
LMAO, the fact that you're still hung up on this shows two things..

1.) you don't know how to comprehend what I typed (already said the player was in his 5th year and has "started" in this league)...that's what I meant by 5th year starter and already explained that.

2.) You have absolutely NO argument and you're just trying to run a dog and pony show with your. "Don't focus on this...focus over here, focus on the thing that's completely irrelevant and isn't bashing Janobody" routine.

It isn't working and Janobody still SUCKS.

You don't even know what my argument is?

Your emotions cloud your judgement (female trait). My point was that Jacoby made a boneheaded mistake. But this didn't cost us the game. Also he's a #3 WR that has been produce decent numbers.

2009 437 yards 6 TD
2010 562 yards 3 TD
2011 512 yards 2 TD

He is not the best receiver. But that looks consistent to me. I don't think many teams ask for more from a 4th or 5th option at best.
 
Lack of experience does not excuse 3 INTs. The game plan every week since Yates took over was "Don't cost us the game". 3 INTs costed us the game. Point blank.

:gun: The #1 precursor to a rookie throwing 3 INTs, is a lack of experience...what the hell do you mean it's not a excuse.


You know how big of a joke your argument it. Let me spell it out for you.

You're going out of your way to hang a rookie 3rd string QB who has little experience and your trying to hold his feet to the fire and hold him to the same expectations of a experienced vet..

While in the same breath you're making every excuse for a "experienced vet" and want us to treat him with kid gloves like he's a "3rd string rookie player". :rolleyes:

Something doesn't compute here and there's obviously a bias/alternative motivating factor for your ridiculous support of Janobody Jones.
 
:gun: The #1 precursor to a rookie throwing the INTs, is a lack of experience...what the hell do you mean it's not a excuse.


You know how big of a joke your argument it. Let me spell it out for you.

You're going out of your way to hang a rookie 3rd string QB who has little experience and your trying to hold his feet to the fire and expectations that he should play at the level of a experience vet..

While in the same breath you're making every excuse for a "experienced vet" and want us to treat him with kid gloves like he's a "3rd string rookie player". :rolleyes:

Something doesn't compute here and there's obviously a bias/alternative motivating factor for your ridiculous support of Janobody Jones.

You just want a scapegoat. Blame whoever you want. I know why we lost the game.
 
Any QB should know not keep going to the same man.

Thank you Gary!

And know how to go through his progressions. Yates locked on to the first option and never looked in another direction. That's how the Ravens were able to abuse him. They just watched his eyes.
 
You just want a scapegoat. Blame whoever you want. I know why we lost the game.

WRONG.....again.


I washed my hands of Janobody LONG BEFORE that game even kicked off. The only thing that happened in that game was Janobody confirmed my opinion of him. This doesn't have crap to do with a "scapegoat".

I thought Janobody was a crappy player before the game and was sure of it after the game.
 
WRONG.....again.


I washed my hands of Janobody LONG BEFORE that game even kicked off. The only thing that happened in that game was Janobody confirmed my opinion of him. This doesn't have crap to do with a "scapegoat".

I thought Janobody was a crappy player before the game and was sure of it after the game.

It doesn't seem like it because you seem to have deep emotional ties to him. That's fine. He'll probably be back next season though. I do think management will bring in another WR (either FA or draft) to compete for the #2 spot. Jacoby has always been a #3 WR in book anyway. He has good speed, but would be better suited if we had better #2 option that could step up and be a #1 if we needed him to.
 
It doesn't seem like it because you seem to have deep emotional ties to him. That's fine. He'll probably be back next season though. I do think management will bring in another WR (either FA or draft) to compete for the #2 spot. Jacoby has always been a #3 WR in book anyway. He has good speed, but would be better suited if we had better #2 option that could step up and be a #1 if we needed him to.

:spit: What the hell are you talking about? The only person who seems to have deep emotional ties to him is you, with your constant excuse making for him. I could literally not care less about the guy.

And why do you keep thinking he's going to produce at the #3 spot and put up great #s there? Newsflash...that IS what Jacoby has been here pretty much the entire time. He hasn't beaten out Walter....the guy HAS been and has played the #3 role already. So I highly doubt he's going to start producing at a position that he's already failed to produce at in the past.

If this management knows what they're doing (and I think they do), he isn't going to be on the opening roster next season.
 
Now that I saw another muffed punt it reminds me...I hope Jacoby is gone next year.

That is all. Carry on.
 
Any QB should know not keep going to the same man.

Dude was going against a top three defense, in his eighth game as an NFL QB, on the road and in the playoffs.

Any punt returner should know to get the hell away from the ball after you missed the first catch and it bounces up off the ground.
 
Dude was going against a top three defense, in his eighth game as an NFL QB, on the road and in the playoffs.

Any punt returner should know to get the hell away from the ball after you missed the first catch and it bounces up off the ground.

You're right. But a QB is not supposed to throw to the other team regardless of stature.
 
Another muffed punt by the same guy. Didn't know we traded Jacoby to the 49ers that fast. Good move Rick!

**excuse me** this guy caught the second one THEN fumbled. He's obviously better.
 
You're right. But a QB is not supposed to throw to the other team regardless of stature.

Here's a question and be completely honest... What relation are you to Janobody Jones? Are you his aunt, uncle, sister, brother, mother, cousin.....lover etc?




Oh by the way, I wasn't aware we traded Janobody to the 9ers! :spit:
 
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Dude was going against a top three defense, in his eighth game as an NFL QB, on the road and in the playoffs.

Any punt returner should know to get the hell away from the ball after you missed the first catch and it bounces up off the ground.

Your first statement is an excuse.
Your second is absolutely correct.

Bottom line:
Both Jacoby and Yates screwed the pooch.
 
Your first statement is an excuse.
Your second is absolutely correct.

Bottom line:
Both Jacoby and Yates screwed the pooch.

Yes, but we can forgive Yates, because he's a rookie that was expected to make rookie mistakes.
 
Your first statement is an excuse.
Your second is absolutely correct.

Bottom line:
Both Jacoby and Yates screwed the pooch.

LOL, who said it wasn't a excuse?


Which one is more excusable... A 5th round rookie has a stinker of a game or a 5th year vet still doesn't know the golden rule of, get the hell away from a muffed punt?

Nobody here is trying to act like Yates had a good game or is trying to act like he didn't help cost us the game. But to criticize him as a way to "excuse" what Jones did is completely ridiculous. Rookie returners don't even do what Jacoby did.
 
LOL, who said it wasn't a excuse?


Which one is more excusable... A 5th round rookie has a stinker of a game or a 5th year vet still doesn't know the golden rule of, get the hell away from a muffed punt?

Nobody here is trying to act like Yates had a good game or is trying to act like he didn't help cost us the game. But to criticize him as a way to "excuse" what Jones did is completely ridiculous.

I don't understand where you got this idea from. Nobody tried to "excuse" Jacoby. How about this...neither is excusable.

Anyway, let's be realistic. A rookie QB knows no to throw it to the other team. Just like a 5 year vet knows to "stay the hell away" from a punt that bounced inside the 10. There is no excuse for either. Both should be held accountable for what they did regardless of stature or "golden rule". We had 4 TOs caused by 2 people. We lost the game because of it.
 
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Yes, but we can forgive Yates, because he's a rookie that was expected to make rookie mistakes.

I'm sorry, but that does not compute. Why would you play someone you EXPECT to screw up??

If you expect your QB to screw up, then you play someone else.

If you go ahead and play him, then that means, to me, that you expect him NOT to make mistakes. You may not expect him to make big plays and win the game for you; but you sure as hell don't expect him to be a significant factor - to the tune of 3 picks - in your loss.

There are no excuses for either of them.
 
I'm sorry, but that does not compute. Why would you play someone you EXPECT to screw up??

If you expect your QB to screw up, then you play someone else.

If you go ahead and play him, then that means, to me, that you expect him NOT to make mistakes. You may not expect him to make big plays and win the game for you; but you sure as hell don't expect him to be a significant factor - to the tune of 3 picks - in your loss.

There are no excuses for either of them.

Oh, I'm sorry.... I didn't know Yates was our first string starting QB. :vincepalm:


When you're down to your 3rd string QB, you play what you have and hope for the best. LOL, we had a 3rd string rookie QB (who regardless of what people think is GOING TO MAKE MISTAKES..it's part of being a rookie), a horse farmer backing him up, and another has been behind the horse farmer.

We were ****ed at the QB position this season. So what do you want?

What we didn't have was a 3rd string returner.. So did Yates make mistakes...yep he did. Guess what? I can forgive him, because he barely has any experience and hopefully he gets better. I CAN NOT forgive Jacoby and after 5 seasons I KNOW he's not going to get better.
 
Oh, I'm sorry.... I didn't know Yates was our first string starting QB. :vincepalm:


When you're down to your 3rd string QB, you play what you have and hope for the best. LOL, we had a 3rd string rookie QB (who regardless of what people think is GOING TO MAKE MISTAKES..it's part of being a rookie), a horse farmer backing him up, and another has been behind the horse farmer.

We were ****ed at the QB position this season. So what do you want?

What we didn't have was a 3rd string returner.. So did Yates make mistakes...yep he did. Guess what, I can forgive him, because he barely has any experience and hopefully he gets better. I CAN NOT forgive Jacoby and after 5 seasons I KNOW he's not going to get better.

So be it.
That's in your heart.
 
So be it.
That's in your heart.

Geez this guy swears he has no deep emotional connection to Jacoby. If I'm aunt, uncle, sister, brother, mother, cousin.....lover, he must be scorned ex-lover/estranged family member or something. This guy has some deep hate issues. I think he needs a hug or something.
 
So be it.
That's in your heart.

Doesn't have anything to do with my "heart". WTH are you talking about?


I'm a football fan, I enjoy watching my team win. I don't want dumbasses playing for my team who consistently make mistakes that hurt my team. Especially when they've been doing it for 5 seasons and haven't shown any improvement.

It's nothing personal, Jacoby's just a crappy football player and receiver.
 
Geez this guy swears he has no deep emotional connection to Jacoby. If I'm aunt, uncle, sister, brother, mother, cousin.....lover, he must be scorned ex-lover/estranged family member or something. This guy has some deep hate issues. I think he needs a hug or something.

LMAO, nice try Jacoby.. err whoever you are. BTW, you've been avoiding that question like the plague


And AGAIN, I have no deep emotional ties to you err, I mean Jacoby. I'm not the one making every excuse under the sun for him, trying to divert attention off of him, or the one that's completely butthurt that people are talking bad about him. You are and I know you're related to him or know him some how. We've dealt with people like you in the past and it's completely obvious.
 
LMAO, nice try Jacoby.. err whoever you are. BTW, you've been avoiding that question like the plague


And AGAIN, I have no deep emotional ties to you err, I mean Jacoby. I'm not the one making every excuse under the sun for him, trying to divert attention off of him, or the one that's completely butthurt that people are talking bad about him. You are and I know you're related to him or know him some how. We've dealt with people like you in the past and it's completely obvious.

Yeah but apparently you are butthurt by anybody that has an opinion other than "he sucks". Or that might be hemorrhoids. Either way you should get that problem checked out. ;)
 
Yeah but apparently you are butthurt by anybody that has an opinion other than "he sucks". Or that might be hemorrhoids. Either way you should get that problem checked out. ;)

No spin (you muffed that one just as bad as Jacoby)...but nope. I am not butthurt if someone thinks he doesn't suck. That's your opinion if you want it. Just don't quote my post and try to tell me what to think about him or try to tell me what my opinion should be.

So try again... F. or R.O.J.
 
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Doesn't have anything to do with my "heart". WTH are you talking about?


I'm a football fan, I enjoy watching my team win. I don't want dumbasses playing for my team who consistently make mistakes that hurt my team. Especially when they've been doing it for 5 seasons and haven't shown any improvement.

It's nothing personal, Jacoby's just a crappy football player and receiver.

You're the one who used the term "forgive". Forgiveness comes from the heart. That's where that came from.

No one has argued that we should be satisfied with Jacoby at #3 (or Walter @ #2 for that matter). I'm ALL for upgrading both spots as well as punt returner spot. Jacoby is way underachieving in the WR role and too inconsistent in the PR role.

We thought/were hoping that Trindon Holliday would take Jones' PR spot but he couldn't do it. We thought LeStar Jean or Bryant Johnson would take Jones' WR spot but one didn't stay healthy and the other didn't step up.

So the search continues.... Hopefully, this offseason we have more success upgrading both spots.
 
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