Jacoby's Gotta Go/**UPDATE**Released

[Carr Bombed]

You're the one who used the term "forgive". Forgiveness comes from the heart. That's where that came from.

In the context that I used it in...it has NOTHING to do with the "heart"..

for·give (fr-gv, fôr-)
v. for·gave (-gv), for·giv·en (-gvn), for·giv·ing, for·gives
v.tr.
1. To excuse for a fault or an offense; pardon.
2. To renounce anger or resentment against.
3. To absolve from payment of (a debt, for example).
v.intr.
To accord forgiveness.

I'm not going to excuse him from the mistake he made, becuase there was no excuse for it.

No one has argued that we should be satisfied with Jacoby at #3 (or Walter @ #2 for that matter). I'm ALL for upgrading both spots as well as punt returner spot. Jacoby is way underachieving in the WR role and too inconsistent in the PR role.

Really.. You might want to go back and read. That's EXACTLY what "F. or R.O.J." was trying to argue.

 

[cbs1507]

In the context that I used it in...it has NOTHING to do with the "heart"..

for·give (fr-gv, fôr-)
v. for·gave (-gv), for·giv·en (-gvn), for·giv·ing, for·gives
v.tr.
1. To excuse for a fault or an offense; pardon.
2. To renounce anger or resentment against.
3. To absolve from payment of (a debt, for example).
v.intr.
To accord forgiveness.

I'm not going to excuse him from the mistake he made, becuase there was no excuse for it.



Really.. You might want to go back and read. That's EXACTLY what "F. or R.O.J." was trying to argue.

Well apparently you don't realize you have to find it in your heart to "excuse for fault or an offense". That's usually how forgiveness works. I don't even think he objected to you. He said that's your deal. It should be left at that. No reply necessary.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Well apparently you don't realize you have to find it in your heart to "excuse for fault or an offense". That's usually how it works. I don't even think he objected to you. He said that's your deal. It should be left at that. No reply necessary.

You act like I care about your biased opinion F. or R.O.J.

 

[cbs1507]

You act like I care about your biased opinion F. or R.O.J.

Irony at it's best.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Hmm, apparently somebody doesn't know the definition of "biased".

 

[cbs1507]

Apparently you don't because all opinions are essentially biased. At least I use facts instead of emotions to develop my own. To each his own.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Apparently you don't because all opinions are essentially biased.

 

[cbs1507]

To each his own.

 

[Carr Bombed]

To each his own.

Whatever F. or R.O.J.

 

[Corrosion]

.... Jacoby Jones has worn out his welcome with the Houston Texans management and their fans .... I'd be almost shocked to see him suit up for another regular season game for this team.

You can count on either or FA or high draft choices being spent on the position .... and LeStar Jean coming back from the IR along with cap space making Jones expendable.

 

[TheMatrix31]

This thread should be ****ing murdered.

I dont even want to see this guy's name on my laptop screen. And the discussion is just stupid.

 

[rickyb]

W

PS
Jacoby Jones had ZERO targets in the 2011 playoffs. ZERO. So to have disdain for somebody that doesn't even get the ball thrown his direction is ridiculous.

Did you miss the part where I began saying that I had seen enough of Jacoby before the season even started? And where I followed up by saying that Jacoby had his chances while AJ was injured? He had more than a fair shake to disprove his doubters.

 

[steelbtexan]

Totally do not agree with this. Knee Jerks are not good for your team.

Are we going to cut Ben Tate because he fumbled on the goal line? Luckily it was recovered by Wade Smith & we scored on that play.

Are we going to cut Eric Winston because he gets beat time-to-time & our QBs get lit up?

Are we going to cut Demps for missing a tackle that would have prevented a goal line TD?

Are we going to cut J.Allen for getting beat & turned around on a TD score in a play-off game?

If Jacoby's production through out the season does not warrant bringing him back, then we don't bring him back. If he is beat out in training camp by superior talent, then we don't bring him back.

At the same time, if a coach continues to send a player out there & can not correct his mistakes, should we bring that coach back?

If you make mistakes....

your ****ing human.

5 yrs and very little improvement. It's not just 1 mistake. JJ represents the old party on culture that used to be on this team. This is not a knee jerk reaction. Ask yourself if the Texans can improve the WR2/PR position in FA/draft? It's time to move on from JJ.

Times have changed for the better. JJ just doesn't fit in anymore. This is a hardnosed football team. Does this describe JJ's mentality when it comes to his profession?

 

[2012Champs]

I have no problem with JJ being cut but the defense of how the rest of the team played and all of the excuses are laughable at best. Also the thought that JJ was the reason, the main reason or carries the majority of the blame is also a joke.


1. If your team cant overcome a 4 point deficiet 5 minutes into the game no matter how it happend you werent going to make it far into the playoffs

2. JJ fumble cost us 7 points

3. Yates threw 3 picks that cost us 10 points directly and the potential for points of offense

4. Yates could have easily had 5-6 picks total if the Ravens could have held on to the ball even though they were dropped it still hurt our drives

5. Rackers missed a FG and in turn gave the ravens a FG 6 point swing

6. Turk muffed a punt that also led to 3 points

7. The ravens put the ball on the ground many times but we had zero take aways

8. We didnt score in the second half

 

[steelbtexan]

I have no problem with JJ being cut but the defense of how the rest of the team played and all of the excuses are laughable at best. Also the thought that JJ was the reason, the main reason or carries the majority of the blame is also a joke.


1. If your team cant overcome a 4 point deficiet 5 minutes into the game no matter how it happend you werent going to make it far into the playoffs

2. JJ fumble cost us 7 points

3. Yates threw 3 picks that cost us 10 points directly and the potential for points of offense

4. Yates could have easily had 5-6 picks total if the Ravens could have held on to the ball even though they were dropped it still hurt our drives

5. Rackers missed a FG and in turn gave the ravens a FG 6 point swing

6. Turk muffed a punt that also led to 3 points

7. The ravens put the ball on the ground many times but we had zero take aways

8. We didnt score in the second half

Agree with all of this,

5 yrs of SOS with JJ is enough.

Party on JJ

 

[cbs1507]

Did you miss the part where I began saying that I had seen enough of Jacoby before the season even started? And where I followed up by saying that Jacoby had his chances while AJ was injured? He had more than a fair shake to disprove his doubters.

That is not an unbiased judgement though. First of all Jacoby Jones is a #3 WR.

Let's got to the numbers which are unbiased. Find me a #3 WR with better numbers...

2009 27 catches 437 yards 6 TD
2010 51 catches 562 yards 3 TD
2011 31 catches 512 yards 2 TD

I don't think a team can ask for more from a #3WR that is a 4th or 5th option at best.

Has he put up numbers while Andre was out? Yes and no.

From the 2011 season, he had 19 catches 377 yards 2 TD in his 10 weeks with Matt Schaub at QB. He had 12 catches 135 yards 0 TD with TJ Yates.

Yes he was putting a decent numbers when Matt Schaub was at QB. No he wasn't putting up numbers with TJ Yates. You can draw your own conclusions. But I have point out on the other MB, that Yates has tunnel vision and overlooks receivers. That observation came into fruition against Balitmore.

BTW He had zero targets while the #1 options on passing plays had 23 targets in the game against Baltimore (zero targets the whole playoffs). So you can make your own conclusion, but based on my actual observation his lack of production is because the QB throwing the ball for the Texans at the end of the year just lacked field vision.

These are the unbiased numbers. Numbers don't have an opinion. Numbers don't have emotions. Most importantly numbers never lie. Based on the numbers, I think Jacoby is a decent #3WR, and he is fit to be a 4th or 5th option in this offense (like he has been). He was playing well when Schaub was healthy, and his number went down drastically after Schaub's injury.

 

[Blake]

J-Jo 12 aint going anywhere. From what I can gather, it will cost too much to release him and sign a replacement, even from the college ranks.

Jones cap figure was $617,280 in 2011. If you cut Jones you are looking at 2.4 million in dead cap as he has $3 million guaranteed. If you keep him you will probably be paying upwards of 4 million for the 2012 season. I wouldnt expect him to get his 3rd year money if he doesnt play out of his mind next season.

 

[PapaL]

I haven't seen anyone muff a punt yet today BUT I still want this dude gone.

Flail your arm in the arm and run your away from the ball. Is that too had to do? I'm sure 99% of us here could have accomplished that.

 

[steelbtexan]

That is not an unbiased judgement though. First of all Jacoby Jones is a #3 WR.

Let's got to the numbers which are unbiased. Find me a #3 WR with better numbers...

2009 27 catches 437 yards 6 TD
2010 51 catches 562 yards 3 TD
2011 31 catches 512 yards 2 TD

I don't think a team can ask for more from a #3WR that is a 4th or 5th option at best.

Has he put up numbers while Andre was out? Yes and no.

From the 2011 season, he had 19 catches 377 yards 2 TD in his 10 weeks with Matt Schaub at QB. He had 12 catches 135 yards 0 TD with TJ Yates.

Yes he was putting a decent numbers when Matt Schaub was at QB. No he wasn't putting up numbers with TJ Yates. You can draw your own conclusions. But I have point out on the other MB, that Yates has tunnel vision and overlooks receivers. That observation came into fruition against Balitmore.

BTW He had zero targets while the #1 options on passing plays had 23 targets in the game against Baltimore (zero targets the whole playoffs). So you can make your own conclusion, but based on my actual observation his lack of production is because the QB throwing the ball for the Texans at the end of the year just lacked field vision.

These are the unbiased numbers. Numbers don't have an opinion. Numbers don't have emotions. Most importantly numbers never lie. Based on the numbers, I think Jacoby is a decent #3WR, and he is fit to be a 4th or 5th option in this offense (like he has been). He was playing well when Schaub was healthy, and his number went down drastically after Schaub's injury.

My eyes tell me JJ a scared to go across the middle and is only an average at best PR. My eyes tell me that JJ hasn't been the same since Hunter (the Punter) Smith broke JJ's collarbone during the 3rd game of his rookie season.

Could the reason JJ got 0 targets during the postseason be that Yates didn't trust JJ? (Rounding off routes, running wrong routes, aligator arms across the middle)

Continue on with your #'s thingy. The # I want to know is how many drinks did JJ have before he was found passed out at the wheel of his car at a redlight on Westheimer? That could be a large part of JJ's problem. LOL

 

[thunderkyss]

That play didnt lose them the game .... but it made the task of winning a playoff game on the road all the more difficult and was in the end the difference in the final score.

Take that 7 points Jones gifted the Ravens away and at worst the Ravens are up 16-13 (since they went for it on 4th and goal and failed I'll give them a FG for that drive). The Texans only need 3 to tie rather than 7 .... there's a good chance that game goes to OT. At that point its anyones game .....

Yates made some bad decisions .... none of them gift wrapped 7 points to the opponent. (tho the Ravens other TD did result from a Yates INT at the Texans 34).

I have to think if the Texans have a healthy Schaub they win that game even with Jones gift to the Ravens ..... and with Yates 3 INT's they at least get to OT if Jones doesnt make that mistake.


Either way , Jones has worn out his welcome here.

Sure sounds like Ray got "it" to me:

"There is no one man who has ever lost a game," Lewis said. "Don't you ever drop your head; we win as a team, we lose as a team. There is no 'Billy is the fault, Billy missed the kick.' It happens. Move on like a man, because life doesn't stop."

"God has never made a mistake. Ever," Lewis said, according to the Sun. "Somebody is going to feel like this tomorrow, and somebody is going to feel like this in two weeks in the Super Bowl. And whomever wins it, that's their year. That's a fact, and there ain't nothing nobody else can do about it. That's the irony of sports. There is a winner, there's a loser, and when you lose, you've got to suck it up like a man and say 'You know what, Father? If it's your will, so be it. As a man you got to keep moving, and a team keep building, remembering this taste."

I agree with 52

 

[thunderkyss]

The Yates bashing is a red herring. If you can't make a case for a guy without bashing another one, then your case is weak.

It's not about Yates bashing. It doesn't make sense to think Jacoby's indiscretion had more to do with the outcome of that game than Tj's 3 turnovers.

Fine... we expected Yates to play like he did. That does not mean his play did not affect the outcome of the game.

& I'm not blaming Yates for losing the game. We win as a team, we lose as a team. Which means I blame Kubiak.

 

[thunderkyss]

Yes, but we can forgive Yates, because he's a rookie that was expected to make rookie mistakes.

Sorry, we don't cut rookies slack around here.

See the "Kareem's plight" thread.

 

[thunderkyss]

5 yrs and very little improvement. It's not just 1 mistake. JJ represents the old party on culture that used to be on this team. This is not a knee jerk reaction. Ask yourself if the Texans can improve the WR2/PR position in FA/draft? It's time to move on from JJ.

Times have changed for the better. JJ just doesn't fit in anymore. This is a hardnosed football team. Does this describe JJ's mentality when it comes to his profession?

KDub is the #2 WR on this team & I would love to upgrade at that position.

I love me some Jacoby.

Now, Robert Meachum may not muff a punt. But he has yet to develop any more than Jacoby Jones. There are some here who believe Meachum would be an upgrade.

I'd love to see Jaboby's numbers with a big armed QB... in a pass first system... someone who can get the ball over the top, let him run under it.....

Robert Meachum ain't going to break any tackles, or make anybody miss.

But he was a 1st round pick. Jacoby was a 3rd.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Sorry, we don't cut rookies slack around here.

See the "Kareem's plight" thread.

If you think people are pissed because of that "one play" then you completely missed the boat in this argument and thread.

This has NOT been a "knee jerk" reaction thread and to even try to begin to paint it as such is completely disingenuous.

You want me to pull up the posts I made when we re-signed Jacoby? I can and then you can read them and then you can try to tell us how we're "knee jerking".

This is a "that's it, I've had enough of this clown" (or hell, even a "I told you so") thread. There is nothing "knee jerk" about it.

 

[cbs1507]

My eyes tell me JJ a scared to go across the middle and is only an average at best PR. My eyes tell me that JJ hasn't been the same since Hunter (the Punter) Smith broke JJ's collarbone during the 3rd game of his rookie season.

Maybe. It's a tough league, most WR are afraid to take a big hit over the middle. Who can blame them? Anyway, that is an intangible that is not required, nor is it present in most receivers in the league (especially #3 WRs like Jacoby).

Could the reason JJ got 0 targets during the postseason be that Yates didn't trust JJ?(Rounding off routes, running wrong routes, aligator arms across the middle)

Maybe. But my observation leads me to believe that Yates had a confidence issue (for whatever reason). Down the stretch he would only check down to TE or RB and not get receivers involved. During the playoffs he would only throw to the #1 option on the play. This can be an implication of him not trusting his reads and being afraid to look at other options. Please keep in mind that Jacoby was not the only person who suffered from lack of targets. To keep the defense honest, you have to utilize other options.

 

[thunderkyss]

This is a "that's it, I've had enough of this clown" (or hell, even a "I told you so") thread. There is nothing "knee jerk" about it.

& I've said I don't have a problem with that. I understand & honestly it wouldn't hurt, too much (I do own a Steel Blue #12) if Jacoby wasn't on the team next season.

But to blame the loss of that game on Jacoby..... c'mon

4 minutes into the game. This team has been about overcoming every step of the way. We couldn't overcome a 4 point deficit with 55 minutes?

c'mon man.

 

[Carr Bombed]

That is not an unbiased judgement though. First of all Jacoby Jones is a #3 WR.

Let's got to the numbers which are unbiased. Find me a #3 WR with better numbers...

2009 27 catches 437 yards 6 TD
2010 51 catches 562 yards 3 TD
2011 31 catches 512 yards 2 TD

I don't think a team can ask for more from a #3WR that is a 4th or 5th option at best.

Has he put up numbers while Andre was out? Yes and no.

From the 2011 season, he had 19 catches 377 yards 2 TD in his 10 weeks with Matt Schaub at QB. He had 12 catches 135 yards 0 TD with TJ Yates.

Yes he was putting a decent numbers when Matt Schaub was at QB. No he wasn't putting up numbers with TJ Yates. You can draw your own conclusions. But I have point out on the other MB, that Yates has tunnel vision and overlooks receivers. That observation came into fruition against Balitmore.

BTW He had zero targets while the #1 options on passing plays had 23 targets in the game against Baltimore (zero targets the whole playoffs). So you can make your own conclusion, but based on my actual observation his lack of production is because the QB throwing the ball for the Texans at the end of the year just lacked field vision.

These are the unbiased numbers. Numbers don't have an opinion. Numbers don't have emotions. Most importantly numbers never lie. Based on the numbers, I think Jacoby is a decent #3WR, and he is fit to be a 4th or 5th option in this offense (like he has been). He was playing well when Schaub was healthy, and his number went down drastically after Schaub's injury.

LMAO! Are you really going to try to pass those #s off as "good production"?

So in 10 weeks (with Andre sitting out the majority of the time), you're trying to say that less than 2 catches a game and 37 receiving yards is good production?

Again...our BACKUP TE had a bigger impact in the receiving game than Jacoby (who only had to compete with K. Walter) did.


Stop trying to pass crap off like it was good football play or good production. There's UDFAs who can surpass that production.

 

[Carr Bombed]

& I've said I don't have a problem with that. I understand & honestly it wouldn't hurt, too much (I do own a Steel Blue #12) if Jacoby wasn't on the team next season.

But to blame the loss of that game on Jacoby..... c'mon

4 minutes into the game. This team has been about overcoming every step of the way. We couldn't overcome a 4 point deficit with 55 minutes?

c'mon man.

I've already said Jacoby wasn't the only reason for the loss, but guess what.

the title of this thread is called "Jacoby's gotta go" and the discussion in this thread isn't just about that one play.. It's about how crappy and inconsistent he's been since he got here.


And shoot me if I'm not willing to write off a 5th round rookie when he exceeded all expectations this season despite his poor game. (Yates is someone I'm still willing to work with..like I was with Jacoby his first 3 seasons in the league...what year is he in now?)

This isn't a Jacoby vs Yates thread like some of y'all have allowed "F.O.R.O.J." to spin it into. It's a Jacoby needs to go thread..and he needs to go not just because of that one play, but because of MANY of the piss poor plays that he's committed in his now 6th year career. Sorry, I have no patience for 6th year projects.


You know what would be a "knee jerk reaction thread"? If after Yates' struggles against Baltimore's defense (who made Tom freaking Brady say that "he sucks") somebody started a "TJ Yates' gotta go" thread. When someone starts a "Jacoby's gotta go" thread, there's nothing knee jerk about it. It's simply the truth and was a thread that was long overdue. At some time the gravy train has to pull into the station and either Jacoby has to start earning his way or get off. I think it's time for him to exit left.

 

[rickyb]

That is not an unbiased judgement though. First of all Jacoby Jones is a #3 WR.

Let's got to the numbers which are unbiased. Find me a #3 WR with better numbers...

2009 27 catches 437 yards 6 TD
2010 51 catches 562 yards 3 TD
2011 31 catches 512 yards 2 TD

I don't think a team can ask for more from a #3WR that is a 4th or 5th option at best.

Has he put up numbers while Andre was out? Yes and no.

From the 2011 season, he had 19 catches 377 yards 2 TD in his 10 weeks with Matt Schaub at QB. He had 12 catches 135 yards 0 TD with TJ Yates.

Yes he was putting a decent numbers when Matt Schaub was at QB. No he wasn't putting up numbers with TJ Yates. You can draw your own conclusions. But I have point out on the other MB, that Yates has tunnel vision and overlooks receivers. That observation came into fruition against Balitmore.

BTW He had zero targets while the #1 options on passing plays had 23 targets in the game against Baltimore (zero targets the whole playoffs). So you can make your own conclusion, but based on my actual observation his lack of production is because the QB throwing the ball for the Texans at the end of the year just lacked field vision.

These are the unbiased numbers. Numbers don't have an opinion. Numbers don't have emotions. Most importantly numbers never lie. Based on the numbers, I think Jacoby is a decent #3WR, and he is fit to be a 4th or 5th option in this offense (like he has been). He was playing well when Schaub was healthy, and his number went down drastically after Schaub's injury.

So your argument is Yates is the problem, not #12. I see. How, then, do you explain the prior 4 years of JJ's body of work?

Rhetorical question. I do not care to debate. You have your opinion about Yates, I have mine about JJ.

 

[cbs1507]

If you think people are pissed because of that "one play" then you completely missed the boat in this argument and thread.

This has NOT been a "knee jerk" reaction thread and to even try to begin to paint it as such is completely disingenuous.

You want me to pull up the posts I made when we re-signed Jacoby? I can and then you can read them and then you can try to tell us how we're "knee jerking".

This is a "that's it, I've had enough of this clown" (or hell, even a "I told you so") thread. There is nothing "knee jerk" about it.

Threads like this one only show up when he has a bad game (Oakland, Baltimore), or makes a mistake (drop TD pass in Cincy). I would say that is "knee jerk". I know you've "had enough of this clown" but there is due process in the NFL. That means management will likely bring in a WR to challenge him and Kevin Walter for the #2 spot, if it is feasible to move on they will. But that is unlikely seeing that his cap # was 600K this season and his contract was $3 million guaranteed. No point in carrying $2.4 million in dead cap space for a "knee jerk" reaction. So I'm guessing he will probably be back next year.

 

[cbs1507]

So your argument is Yates is the problem, not #12. I see. How, then, do you explain the prior 4 years of JJ's body of work?

Rhetorical question. I do not care to debate. You have your opinion about Yates, I have mine about JJ.

Let the numbers do the talking. My opinion of Yates is that there was clearly a dropoff in production when Matt Schaub went down to when Yates took over for Jacoby. Of course that is usually the case when you replace a pro bowl QB with a 3rd string rookie QB.

In a nutshell...
The numbers showed that Jacoby has been a reliable #3 WR, or at least consistent.
The numbers show that there was a dropoff in his production from Schaub to Yates. Numbers don't lie. I am not arguing anything.

As far as putting the ball on the ground. He had one bad year in 2008 with 4 fumbles. He has 3 total in this other 4 years. None for the past 2 seasons (save the Baltimore game). Number don't have an opinion. Numbers don't have emotions. Numbers don't lie.

I have no problem with TJ Yates. I just have a problem when people are looking for a scapegoat after every game (insert random person predisposed as the problem). We win as a team. We lose as a team. Point blank. BTW I explained Jacoby's body of work over the past 4 years. Numbers don't lie, but apparently you overlooked them.

PS
The things you say about Jacoby are not mirrored in his number or on the gamefilm. People like you have been complaining about this guy, so I have been keeping my eye on him. Your arguments just don't hold water.

 

[Mr. White]

Threads like this one only show up when he has a bad game (Oakland, Baltimore), or makes a mistake (drop TD pass in Cincy). I would say that is "knee jerk". I know you've "had enough of this clown" but there is due process in the NFL. That means management will likely bring in a WR to challenge him and Kevin Walter for the #2 spot, if it is feasible to move on they will. But that is unlikely seeing that his cap # was 600K this season and his contract was $3 million guaranteed. No point in carrying $2.4 million in dead cap space for a "knee jerk" reaction. So I'm guessing he will probably be back next year.

Apparently you haven't looked at when this thread was started. smh

 

[cbs1507]

LMAO! Are you really going to try to pass those #s off as "good production"?

So in 10 weeks (with Andre sitting out the majority of the time), you're trying to say that less than 2 catches a game and 37 receiving yards is good production?

Again...our BACKUP TE had a bigger impact in the receiving game than Jacoby (who only had to compete with K. Walter) did.


Stop trying to pass crap off like it was good football play or good production. There's UDFAs who can surpass that production.

Jacoby is not a #1 WR, nor is he making #1 money. Should we bring in a better #2? Absolutely. I clearly pointed out that he is a #3 WR and a 4th or 5th option on this team. Point blank. Bring in some more talent. I sure hope management does, because we need to improve.

BTW I love how you are ignoring that KW had less production (39 catches 474 yards 3 TD) than Jacoby the whole season. Why not bash him if Jacoby's numbers is "not impressive"?

 

[Mr. White]

The numbers showed that Jacoby has been a reliable #3 WR, or at least consistent.

Who ever said he's the #3 receiver? Sounds like a convenient way to reframe his role so your argument fits your agenda.

 

[cbs1507]

Apparently you haven't looked at when this thread was started. smh

Apparently you don't realize how this thread started. Here is the OP...

1st play of the game @ CIN.

He ran a lazy route on a sure TD strike....AGAIN. Beautiful throw by Yates and Jones was running the route like he didn't think he'd get the ball.

I've seen enough. Get this guy outta here.

:wadepalm:

It started right when Jacoby Jones dropped a pass. Wow, I believe I touched that point in my post...

Threads like this one only show up when he has a bad game (Oakland, Baltimore), or makes a mistake (drop TD pass in Cincy).

...I would say that is "knee jerk".

 

[cbs1507]

Who ever said he's the #3 receiver? Sounds like a convenient way to reframe his role so your argument fits your agenda.

He has always been a #3 in my book. You guys expect him to be a #1 apparently, no wonder you are so upset. He actually produced when Andre Johnson was out WITH Matt Schaub. He was decent this year, and decent last year. Of course I don't think he's a viable #1 option, even if it is a fill-in role. So I do hope we bring in somebody that can do that.

 

[thunderkyss]

Who ever said he's the #3 receiver? Sounds like a convenient way to reframe his role so your argument fits your agenda.

KDub is our #2, always has been. Jacoby was a shot in the dark, a project from Lane College.... raw talent. We (as in the fans on this MB, & most likely the coaches, but we don't know) hoped Jj would turn into a #2.

Never happened. KDub got the #2 WR contract, Jj got a #3 WR contract. KDub starts opposite Aj....


Jj has not lived up to our expectations as a #2 WR, but he's a great (I think) #3. Even if you sign a real #2, I'd keep KDub (restructured contract to look more like Jj's) & Jj....... Use Jj when you want to stretch the field, use KDub when you have to have a completion.

 

[Kthx]

He hasn't ever been decent, he is supposed to be a second string WR, thats why and what we paid him for, he was supposed to fill in for Andre when Andre was out and didn't step up. Of course him not being able to get open and/or dropping passes would be a little bit more forgiven if he did well at his secondary role of returning punts which he did terrible at all season. Even if you forget the fumble and the almost fumble against the Ravens his return game has been garbage this year as he tends to fake side to side while sitting in the same spot before running backwards and across the field to lose five yards from where the ball was caught.

I don't see how you are even trying to argue that the guy had a decent season because I watched every single game this season and I sure didn't see him step up very often. At this point I am going to just have to assume you are trying to troll the board.

 

[Mr. White]

Apparently you don't realize how this thread started...



It started right when Jacoby Jones dropped a pass. Wow, I believe I touched that point in my post...


...I would say that is "knee jerk".

Please. "Knee-jerk" was when they called Mario Williams a bust after his first game.

So far all I've seen from you is a red herring wrapped up in a strawman wrapped up in another strawman.

 

[cbs1507]

KDub is our #2, always has been. Jacoby was a shot in the dark, a project from Lane College.... raw talent. We (as in the fans on this MB, & most likely the coaches, but we don't know) hoped Jj would turn into a #2.

Never happened. KDub got the #2 WR contract, Jj got a #3 WR contract. KDub starts opposite Aj....


Jj has not lived up to our expectations as a #2 WR, but he's a great (I think) #3. Even if you sign a real #2, I'd keep KDub (restructured contract to look more like Jj's) & Jj....... Use Jj when you want to stretch the field, use KDub when you have to have a completion.

That is why people are so upset with Jacoby. They expected him to be a #2, but he just isn't. He is a #3 that can stretch the field. He even got paid like a #3. If you want to be upset, KW got the #2 contract a few years ago and plays like a #3 (I have nothing against KW but you people seem to like being upset at somebody).

 

[Mr. White]

He has always been a #3 in my book. You guys expect him to be a #1 apparently, no wonder you are so upset. He actually produced when Andre Johnson was out WITH Matt Schaub. He was decent this year, and decent last year. Of course I don't think he's a viable #1 option, even if it is a fill-in role. So I do hope we bring in somebody that can do that.

KDub is our #2, always has been. Jacoby was a shot in the dark, a project from Lane College.... raw talent. We (as in the fans on this MB, & most likely the coaches, but we don't know) hoped Jj would turn into a #2.

Never happened. KDub got the #2 WR contract, Jj got a #3 WR contract. KDub starts opposite Aj....


Jj has not lived up to our expectations as a #2 WR, but he's a great (I think) #3. Even if you sign a real #2, I'd keep KDub (restructured contract to look more like Jj's) & Jj....... Use Jj when you want to stretch the field, use KDub when you have to have a completion.

So he's a #3 because his fans say he is. Got it.

 

[cbs1507]

This is for all the people complaing that "Jacoby doesn't catch passes".

NFL 2011 drop pass leaders
http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232

...I don't see Jacoby's name. So that throw your "he get no targets because he sucks" argument out the window, because the guys drop more passes and still get targets.

 

[cbs1507]

So he's a #3 because his fans say he is. Got it.

No he is a #3 because he is making $600k to Kevin Walter's $3 million.

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/cap-hit/houston-texans/wide-receiver/

Unlike you I back up any claim I make.

 

[Kthx]

Umm.. He just got a 3 year 9 million dollar contract this season.

I don't even know why I bother responding to someone who is trying to defend the biggest waste of money on the roster, hes obviously trolling.

 

[thunderkyss]

Kevin Walter caught two passes for 25 yards as the Texans fell to the Ravens in Sunday's Divisional round playoff game.
Walter was limited to 36 receiving yards on 10 targets in two playoff games. He had one ugly drop against Baltimore, securing only two of the eight passes thrown in his direction. Walter is a solid blocking and possession receiver, but the Texans may prioritize finding a more dynamic No. 2 receiver this offseason. Walter, 31 in August, is owed a $3.5 million base salary. Jan 15 - 4:33 PM

well, he's only going to earn $3.5 M next year..... that's not too bad.

 

[cbs1507]

Umm.. He just got a 3 year 9 million dollar contract this season.

I don't even know why I bother responding to someone who is trying to defend the biggest waste of money on the roster, hes obviously trolling.

Ummm...only $3 million was guaranteed, with a option for the 3rd year.

http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/hou/
But of course you probably didn't know that.

I swear you Jacoby haters are to lazy to do your homework. Of course speaking out your a-hole takes less effort.

 

[Carr Bombed]

No he is a #3 because he is making $600k to Kevin Walter's $3 million.

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/cap-hit/houston-texans/wide-receiver/

Unlike you I back up any claim I make.

Gee, I guess that's why Tate is our #1 back and Foster is #2... You know since Tate had the bigger contract and all.

The contract that Jacoby got doesn't have CRAP to do with what WR position he plays. His shitty play (mainly inconsistent play..you know Walter isn't a world beater, but atleast you know what you're going to get on a weekly basis) on the field is what keeps him from overtaking Walter...not his contract. Kubiak has been speaking in his ear and trying to get the jackass to step up and claim that role for a couple of seasons now and he can't do it even when it's offered on a golden platter.

They've been waiting for someone to overtake Walter for a few years now and the fact that they didn't draft a WR high and resigned Jacoby (plus telling him he needs to take his game to another level) means he was supposed to be that guy. He failed, but what else is new?

 

[thunderkyss]

Umm.. He just got a 3 year 9 million dollar contract this season.

I don't even know why I bother responding to someone who is trying to defend the biggest waste of money on the roster, hes obviously trolling.

That's right, no signing bonus, the only guaranteed money is in the form of 1 year's salary. I'm sure it's the 2011 season. We can cut him & it would cost us nothing, we save $3M

KDub signed a 5 year $21.5M contract, that's a little more than $4M/yr. His salary next year will be $3M or so, but his cap number will be $4+M. Cutting him will also save us $3M

If anything, KDub is WR3a & Jacoby is WR3b.

 

[cbs1507]

Gee, I guess that's why Tate is our #1 back and Foster is #2... You know since Tate had the bigger contract and all.

The contract that Jacoby got doesn't have CRAP to do with what WR position he plays. His ****ty play on the field is what keeps him from overtaking Walter...not his contract. Kubiak has been speaking in his ear and trying to get the jackass to step up and claim that role for a couple of seasons now and he can't do it even when it's offered on a golden platter.

They've been waiting for someone to overtake Walter for a few years now and the fact that they didn't draft a WR high and resigned Jacoby (plus telling him he needs to take his game to another level) means he was supposed to be that guy. He failed, but what else is new?

That's different because he is a 2nd round pick and Foster was undrafted. So that was an ill conceived example. Walter got his contract in FA just like Jones did. You cannot compare those 2. Nice try.

BTW I guarantee you Foster will be making more than Tate next season.

 

[Carr Bombed]

well, he's only going to earn $3.5 M next year..... that's not too bad.

You act like people haven't been trying to replace him in the starting lineup either. One of those guys that was supposed to take his job is the same guy we're talking about right now.


But let's keep the dog and pony show going where we continue to say... "HEY GUYS!, stop looking at Jacoby and look over here!".