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Official 2010 Training Camp Thread

HOU-TEX said:
This is kinda random, but does anybody else think our camp is lenient compared to around the league? I mean, from what I gather we've only had 2 full pad practices, a hand full of shells and the rest are helmets only. I was at the 2 full pad practices and left kinda disappointed at the lack of pads crackin (except my boy Leach). When the NFLN shows random camps around the league I always see full pads and all out tackling.

I'm likely reading too much in to this, but our past few season's haven't started out the best
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I don't think you're reading too much into it..

But I will say that they do have pre-season to get their bangin in...

Also, I think guys like Pollard and Leach are going to bring it no matter what...

Chris Myers could probably use a little extra contact though..
 
HOU-TEX said:
There are a few teams that go at it in the heat. Might not be as hot as down here, but still hot. Nah, they don't do much in the bubble due to the turf. Probably a lot of ST's and walk-throughs.

I was at the Saturday practice when they were in full pads and mentioned to a buddy of mine that I was surprised how tame it seemed. I mentioned maybe they'd turn it up a bit on game week, but it doesn't seem like they have. Granted, I'm going by pictures and the such, but how much bangin can you do in helmets only.
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Well, hopefully they are in full swing come week 1. They should have learned their lesson about getting off to a slow start by now. I think they'll be fine......I sure hope so anyways. If not, I may end up having a heart attack, stroke, or kicking the **** out of my TV this year. I can't afford to do any of those, so I'm depending on these guys to do their part.

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Cjeremy635 said:
Well, hopefully they are in full swing come week 1. They should have learned their lesson about getting off to a slow start by now. I think they'll be fine......I sure hope so anyways. If not, I may end up having a heart attack, stroke, or kicking the **** out of my TV this year. I can't afford to do any of those, so I'm depending on these guys to do their part.

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I hear ya. Last year I was killed emotionally after that titan MNF game. I'm trying to make it a point to stay emotionally grounded this season, but I have a feeling I'm going to be at the edge of my seat every second once the season begins.

I just hope they don't rip my heart out and trounce on it like last season.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I hear ya. Last year I was killed emotionally after that titan MNF game. I'm trying to make it a point to stay emotionally grounded this season, but I have a feeling I'm going to be at the edge of my seat every second once the season begins.

I just hope they don't rip my heart out and trounce on it like last season.
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I literally was getting "rage" when we were playing like crap. I had to actually keep telling myself to not take it so seriously. It's an odd thing to be so emotionally invested in something that you have no control over the outcome. Huh..... such is sports.

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A couple humerous events in practice

Veteran strong safety Bernard Pollard has developed a reputation as the vocal leader of the defense, and sometimes, that's at the cost of others. Running back Arian Foster, a favorite target of Pollard's, ran up the middle, looking to score a touchdown, but second-year cornerback Glover Quin easily knocked Foster to the ground. Pollard yelled at Foster, "Get up, boy! That's a cornerback that hit you!"
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At the beginning of Wednesday's practice, while all of the players still had plenty of energy, the defensive line had a little bit of fun. Defensive end Antonio Smith began singing, "I Believe I Can Fly" by R. Kelly. Defensive tackle Shaun Cody joined in the singing, and they sang together as loud as they could. Defensive end Connor Barwin didn't join them, but he couldn't stop laughing
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http://blogs.chron.com/sportsupdate/archives/2010/08/camp_quick_hits_5.html
 
Just saw this in an article on chron.com:

AJ impressed with Jackson
One day after he had an excused absence because of a death in the family, rookie cornerback Kareem Jackson returned to practice. He had been suffering from a tight hamstring but played through it.

Every day, Jackson covers Andre Johnson in practice. The coaches believe it's the ideal situation for Jackson to learn.

"When I see Kareem walking around, I ask him if he's all right," Johnson said. "You can kind of tell he's got a lot of information coming at him. A lot of installs — all the offense and defense - is done during camp.

"I try to talk to him and keep his spirits up. I always ask if he's got a question. I let him know I'm going to work him every day. I told him he's going to make me better. By us going at each other every day, it's going to make us both better. I'm going to try to do everything I can do to make sure he's ready."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7148181.html

Andre may be the leagues best player, period. Not just best WR in my honest opinion.
 
rmartin65 said:
Whoa, thats news to me. I guess they are higher on Dickerson and Holliday than people expected (this soon).
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Yeah, I figured he'd eventually be let go, but not this soon. McGobbler must've been at the movies choking down footlongs or something.
 
HOU-TEX said:
This is kinda random, but does anybody else think our camp is lenient compared to around the league? I mean, from what I gather we've only had 2 full pad practices, a hand full of shells and the rest are helmets only. I was at the 2 full pad practices and left kinda disappointed at the lack of pads crackin (except my boy Leach). When the NFLN shows random camps around the league I always see full pads and all out tackling.

I'm likely reading too much in to this, but our past few season's haven't started out the best
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I may be wrong, but didn't we get penalized a couple of off seasons ago for having an offseason activity that was too hard? (Perhaps it was full contact during early OTAs or something...I can't remember).

So long as theres some pad cracking come gameday I'm happy. :fans:
 
Cjeremy635 said:
You think it's due to the heat? Do they go all out when they move to the bubble? Maybe they have a schedule and they get more aggressive as the season approaches? Maybe they are scared to death of the injury bug? Hell, I don't know, but I get what you're sayin'.
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Injuries are more like to occur going all out in the bubble.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Am I the only one that had no clue we released Glenn Martinez? I knew he was hurt, but didn't think we would release him already.
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I think he has to clear waivers so that he can be placed on injured reserve.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
Well, hopefully they are in full swing come week 1. They should have learned their lesson about getting off to a slow start by now. I think they'll be fine......I sure hope so anyways. If not, I may end up having a heart attack, stroke, or kicking the **** out of my TV this year. I can't afford to do any of those, so I'm depending on these guys to do their part.

:strangle:
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IMO they have backed down from in camp due to the slow starts. I thought we camp out of camps the beat up and tired. IMO that is why we looked bad to start the season.

Plus the team has changed the players weight training and condition program. We are seeing less injuries to the big guys then we did in Kubiaks early time here.

When I watched the big guys in one on one drills on Monday I was shocked at how quick they where moving the guys. It was hot as hell and those guys where working quick.

Bum Phillips did not practice the guys at all in pads during the season and it helped them get through the year.

The team works fast, and conditioning is the real key to the 4th quarter. I am thinking we look better against Indy then we did against the Jets.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Am I the only one that had no clue we released Glenn Martinez? I knew he was hurt, but didn't think we would release him already.



http://www.houstontexans.com/team/Transactions.asp
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That is a normal practice for the training camp IR. You place a player on the IR, he is done for the year with you. He gets his pay.

Or he can ask for his release with an injury settlement, and once he is recovered he is free to sign with another team.
 
painekiller said:
IMO they have backed down from in camp due to the slow starts. I thought we camp out of camps the beat up and tired. IMO that is why we looked bad to start the season.

Plus the team has changed the players weight training and condition program. We are seeing less injuries to the big guys then we did in Kubiaks early time here.

When I watched the big guys in one on one drills on Monday I was shocked at how quick they where moving the guys. It was hot as hell and those guys where working quick.

Bum Phillips did not practice the guys at all in pads during the season and it helped them get through the year.

The team works fast, and conditioning is the real key to the 4th quarter. I am thinking we look better against Indy then we did against the Jets.
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You've been quite very consistent with your thoughts, which I've always appreciated.
Can you please elaborate a little more on these, thanks!
 
I went to Mondays practice but have not found time to get this up. Sorry.

Arian Foster is really looking solid as the top back, he really hits the backside hole well.

Henry is still flashing, I want to see him do that in a game. But he is looks to be playing his way onto the roster.

Tate had a fumble at the goal line were there was a scrum for the ball. Which the defense won, this prompted Schaub to shout out "Get in the F$*King huddle" to the whole offense. The man is a leader. BTW Tate is showing flashes of being a stud RB. He is just not consistent yet. I have noticed the improvement in him since day 1, so I am not going to worry.

Not that I think it will happen, but Henry maybe be practicing his way ahead of Slaton.

Mitchell is still a beast in practice. No one can stop him in one on one drills. He is not as noticeable in the group drills, I believe that will come with experience.

I want to point out I am seeing improvement in Dan Orlovski, he had a nice deep throw to a WR for long TD. Forgotten which WR it was. He still has his bad plays, but he is getting better.

Jacoby Jones had another very good day IMO. Made a great catch over the middle that was off target, which prompted a hand thump from Kubiak.

Dickerson is improving very fast, Day 1, I was not very impressed, but he has really jumped his level of play. I think we will see a lot of plays from him Saturday, as he should be working with the 2s.

Torri Williams SS has had a very solid camp, and he flashed on some plays in during the goal line drills. On one play he knocked the ball away and landed hard, tangled up with the WR. He was down for a few minutes, trainers came over and talked to him. When they were done with, Pollard came over and talked him, as Pollard was walking away from him he yelled back " you owe 25 bucks for that." I guess kangaroo court is alive and well and Pollard is the judge, I can see that. In regards to Williams, at worse he is a practice squad guy. He has potential, plus those Purdue safeties seem to be pretty good. Pollard, Rick Smith, and HOFer Rod Woodson all played there.

Jackson was not out there on Monday, which I have now learned was due to his hammy being tight.

I am so glade we went and got Schaub. He is at the top of the heap, and he is so comfortable in the system. it really shows.

And finally my Mr. Obvious point, AJ is a man among boys. he makes it look so easy, and yet supply WOW Moments all the time.
 
painekiller said:
That is a normal practice for the training camp IR. You place a player on the IR, he is done for the year with you. He gets his pay.

Or he can ask for his release with an injury settlement, and once he is recovered he is free to sign with another team.
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My understanding of the quote "Released Glenn Martinez" is he's gone, fired, cut, let go, etc. He wasn't IR'd or put on the waived/IR list. He's receiving 0 money from us now that he's been "released"
 
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Originally Posted by painekiller
That is a normal practice for the training camp IR. You place a player on the IR, he is done for the year with you. He gets his pay.

Or he can ask for his release with an injury settlement, and once he is recovered he is free to sign with another team.


HOU-TEX said:
My understanding of the quote "Released Glenn Martinez" is he's gone, fired, cut, let go, etc. He wasn't IR'd or put on the waived/IR list. He's receiving 0 money from us now that he's been "released"
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So which is it? I asked this question kinda some time back but this particular scenario wasn't addressed. How would one find out for sure?
 
drs23 said:
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That is a normal practice for the training camp IR. You place a player on the IR, he is done for the year with you. He gets his pay.

Or he can ask for his release with an injury settlement, and once he is recovered he is free to sign with another team.




So which is it? I asked this question kinda some time back but this particular scenario wasn't addressed. How would one find out for sure?
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I does read like he was outright released, I guess I am wrong on this one. I thought Kubiak said they had IR Martinez. And I can not find the actual quote of it.
 
HOU-TEX said:
My understanding of the quote "Released Glenn Martinez" is he's gone, fired, cut, let go, etc. He wasn't IR'd or put on the waived/IR list. He's receiving 0 money from us now that he's been "released"
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Checking the transasction history, Martinez was placed on the reserved/injured list on 8/2. Then released on 8/6. I'm guessing they reached an injury settlement with him, and released him so he can move on.
 
JB said:
Checking the transasction history, Martinez was placed on the reserved/injured list on 8/2. Then released on 8/6. I'm guessing they reached an injury settlement with him, and released him so he can move on.
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Possibly, but why? It was just a hammy, right? If he got to the point where he was cleared to practice, release him and pay nothing. I might be wrong of course, but that would be the best path to take for the Texans.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Possibly, but why? It was just a hammy, right? If he got to the point where he was cleared to practice, release him and pay nothing. I might be wrong of course, but that would be the best path to take for the Texans.
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I think because of the drafting of Dickerson and Holiday, and the thoughts that he was not going to make the team made him expendable. And it may be that they just released him and had no settlement, but I don't know. Can they release an injured player with no compensation?
 
JB said:
I think because of the drafting of Dickerson and Holiday, and the thoughts that he was not going to make the team made him expendable. And it may be that they just released him and had no settlement, but I don't know. Can they release an injured player with no compensation?
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Yeah, I knew he wouldn't make the team. I just thought the release came out of nowhere. I believe they can release a player without compensation. Maybe I-Cak can chime in here, but I read through Rotoworld everyday and have been seeing a lot of waived/injured players.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Yeah, I knew he wouldn't make the team. I just thought the release came out of nowhere. I believe they can release a player without compensation. Maybe I-Cak can chime in here, but I read through Rotoworld everyday and have been seeing a lot of waived/injured players.
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That brings up another question... Why are some players released and others waived. What's the difference?
 
JB said:
That brings up another question... Why are some players released and others waived. What's the difference?
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I wouldn't think there'd be a difference, but damn bro, quit making me think so dadgum much. :lol:

I-Cak?
 
HOU-TEX said:
Yeah, I knew he wouldn't make the team. I just thought the release came out of nowhere. I believe they can release a player without compensation. Maybe I-Cak can chime in here, but I read through Rotoworld everyday and have been seeing a lot of waived/injured players.
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Once the player is injured they can't just release him so they reach an injury settlement. The reason they may have done that here with a minor injury is they already knew he wasn't going to make the team and are going to let him catch on somewhere else. Pay him a little something and let him move on rather than having him wait to pass a physical and then release him.

JB said:
That brings up another question... Why are some players released and others waived. What's the difference?
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Release means immediately an unrestricted free agent. For the first I think 4 accrued seasons players have to go through waivers and then there is a draft order priority system where teams can claim the player with their current contract.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Possibly, but why? It was just a hammy, right? If he got to the point where he was cleared to practice, release him and pay nothing. I might be wrong of course, but that would be the best path to take for the Texans.
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We don't know if he was paid.

The teams transaction history has removed the IR transaction, can a player refuse to go on the preseason IR?
 
infantrycak said:
Once the player is injured they can't just release him so they reach an injury settlement. The reason they may have done that here with a minor injury is they already knew he wasn't going to make the team and are going to let him catch on somewhere else. Pay him a little something and let him move on rather than having him wait to pass a physical and then release him.
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I guess I'm being confused by different reports then. I see players being released from the IR without mention of compensation all the time. On the same sites I also see reports of players being released after injury settlements.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I guess I'm being confused by different reports then. I see players being released from the IR without mention of compensation all the time. On the same sites I also see reports of players being released after injury settlements.
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My only guesses on that are inconsistent reporting or a player with a minor injury agreeing to be released without a settlement in order to start looking for another spot.
 
Lucky said:
Funny that you mention that, because Pollard's ex-teammate Jarrad Page has asked to be traded from the Chiefs. From Page's agent:

Page is a 5th year RFA. The cancellation of the CBA did Page wrong. The Chiefs just drafted Eric Berry with the 5th pick, so Page would have to make a position switch to SS to stay in the starting lineup. What do the Texans think of Page? More specifically, what does his former DB coach David Gibbs think of Page? What would the Chiefs accept as trade? And, would the Texans consider Page an upgrade over current FS Eugene Wilson. To me, this is more interesting than the Schobel watch. :popcorn:
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This is interesting. Is he worth trading for? I know he has picked off Manning a couple of times in his four year career, and he lays hits like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crgR-BGlf4c

I'm reading that the Lions are really going after him.
 
painekiller said:
IMO they have backed down from in camp due to the slow starts. I thought we camp out of camps the beat up and tired. IMO that is why we looked bad to start the season.
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Maybe you mistyped some words here or for some reason, I just do not understand what you were trying to say.

Perhaps you can rephrase it in a different way?
 
painekiller said:
Torri Williams SS has had a very solid camp, and he flashed on some plays in during the goal line drills. On one play he knocked the ball away and landed hard, tangled up with the WR. He was down for a few minutes, trainers came over and talked to him. When they were done with, Pollard came over and talked him, as Pollard was walking away from him he yelled back " you owe 25 bucks for that." I guess kangaroo court is alive and well and Pollard is the judge, I can see that. In regards to Williams, at worse he is a practice squad guy. He has potential, plus those Purdue safeties seem to be pretty good. Pollard, Rick Smith, and HOFer Rod Woodson all played there.
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If he play enough to make the team, whose place do you think he will take?

BTW, thanks again to all who reported from TC!
 
76Texan said:
Maybe you mistyped some words here or for some reason, I just do not understand what you were trying to say.

Perhaps you can rephrase it in a different way?
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Yes I was in a daze when I typed that and did not proof read my post.

I heard Kubiak discuss in an interview early in the offseason that he wanted to figure a way for them to avoid the slow start. Tired Legs I think he said. So I think Kubiak has come up some ways to get the team off to a better start.

In the past, this team was one of league leaders with guys on the IR, so replacing the strength coach and backing off on the teams practices appear to be related. But I am also using huge reading of the tea leaves and inferring something.

Hope this is more clear
 
(on how he's going to work his running back situation) "(RB) Arian (Foster) and (RB) Steve (Slaton) will basically play with the ones. Then we'll take a good long hard look at (RB Ben) Tate. He's probably going to play longer than anybody. Then (RB) Chris (Henry) and (RB) Jeremiah (Johnson) will finish the game."
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(on DE Mario Williams) "Mario's picked up again this morning. He's doing very good; we'll rest up here the next 24 hours and he'll play. He'll play, like I said, 10 to 12 plays."
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http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6275
 
Looks like Tate hasn't earned the right to be called by his first name
by Kubes. If Kubiak is saying your first name, you know you're alright.

Tate recently graduated from "The Kid from Auburn" to "Tate."
Let's see if he can earn a "Ben" Saturday night.
 
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