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Cushing suspended 4 games for violating policy on performance-enhancing substances

Grid said:
Support him or gtfo in my opinion.

If you are a Texans fan.. 24 hours ago you loved Brian Cushing. And if you are a Texans fan.. i can understand disappointment, sadness, even anger... but shitting on Cushing today is just unforgivable. It is possible to voice your disappointment without bad mouthing, name calling, or making wild accusations.

I need to make a list of all you ****ers that are throwing him under the bus. You people are pathetic. I can only hope that some day you find yourself in a tough situation and everyone who cares about you uses that opportunity to walk all over you.

For those of you here who have never made a mistake.. I hope you have contacted your church because as of right now, im pretty sure no one knew that Jesus was walking the earth again. You shoulda let us know when you got here big J.

For the rest of you.. congrats on being a normal flawed human being. Maybe you should use that shared human imperfection to try and generate some empathy for the 21 year old kid that is already dealing with the accusations and ridicule of people all over the country... I dont think he needs it from his supporters at home too.

Anyway.. if Cushing failed the test due to a masking agent or some such.. but not any true PEDs.. and he is naturally a beast, and he comes back and continues to be a superstar for us, I hope all you judgemental bitches choke on the crow you are gonna have to eat, and die horrible violent deaths.
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I applaud all this except the bolded.
 
gtexan02 said:
I just don't believe that someone as careful as Cushing with his body would take one of the non-steroid substances and get busted for it.

Im guessing it was either a masking agent or something similar if it wasn't a steroid
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I read a book about Dick Butkus and he said that he wasn't nearly as mean as folks made him out to be . His explanation was , he learned that fear gets in a players head . Butkus was obsessed with being a great player so he became a nasty dude on the field . I see Cushing as the same guy , lives and breathes football and would do whatever it took to be great .

I hope the best for Cushing and the fans and will wait and see what happens . It is a buzz kill no matter what .
 
Grid said:
He was banned for 4 games for failing a drug test. A test that could have been failed for reasons OTHER than steroids.

And if he DID fail it for REAL steroids.. it is unknown how long he has been on them, or how much he was taking. It is not possible to inject yourself with football knowledge or football instincts.

Whatever the case... what I know for sure is that we dont know the whole story yet. We may never know the whole story.. and the only way we, as fans, will be able to judge the extent of what happened is to watch him play when he comes back and see if he is not the same player he was.

This whole "hes a cheater" bullshit needs to stop. Innocent until proven guilty... our legal system is built on the concept. If you want to label people based on suspicions, then you need to move to a dictatorship comrade.

Im not at all surprised that people are upset.. im not even surprised that a bunch of hotheads are already talking about how terrible a person he is and how he sucks and probably worships the devil and eats kittens to bulk up. I stopped being surprised at how superficial and unintelligent Texans message board fans could be years ago. What I am is annoyed. Annoyed that you are doing it again.. and to a good young player. I guess I was a little bit hopeful that the positive direction this team has been taking.. and the greater success we have been having... would have weaned some of you off of this kind of behavior. Seems like yall were just waiting for the right time to pounce though.




The first one was serious. The second one was very obviously a joke. Not that I expect you to be capable of comprehending anything so subtle. You are very obviously a person who takes things at face value, and does not want or care to dig for deeper meanings before drawing conclusions.

Incidentally..in case you were worried, if Cushing does come back and is still a superstar..you will not literally have to eat crow. So no worries.
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Bill this may be your best post ever! But surely you know better than to expect loyalty or common sense on this MB
 
Grid said:
If you want to label people based on suspicions, then you need to move to a dictatorship comrade.
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I'm not completely refuting your post. I also want to believe Cushing is telling the truth when he suggests this is really a case of the NFL making a mountain out of a molehill.

But, as for your anger that the people who are upset with him and are jumping to conclusions: It's not like they are making crap up out of thin air. The guy failed a drug test and has been suspended for four games. The NFL believes he's guilty of a pretty severe infraction and is backing it up with a pretty severe penalty. This, in addition to all of the rumors about Cushing since he was in high school, in addition to the before and after pics of Cushing while at USC, creates a preponderance of evidence that our star linebacker is a juicer.

And as far as being innocent until proven guilty: a jury of twelve people found O.J. Simpson not guilty of murder. If I tell you O.J. is a murderer will you tell me to move to a dictatorship?
 
I have been very quiet about Cush's situation since we only heard one side story til now. I hope everything would be alright for Cush and hope us(Texans' fans) stay behind him as we should. At least I am.

Go Cush!!!
Go Texans!!!
 
I am not angry yet but if fans would like to be it is their personal right to be. Don't people have any rights without others getting upset about it anymore? It is really just other opinions that is it.
 
FWIW, I'm a big Brian Cushing fan. I don't care what he puts in his body. What I do care about is that he got himself suspended for 4 games. 1/4 of a season... gone. I will continue to cheer for Brian Cushing as long as he keeps on producing. Being suspended isn't what I call contributing. I heart the Cush but right now I'm disappointed in him and I'm going to have some fun while I'm at it. Violating the banned substance list considering his 'history' is gay and warrants ridicule.
 
NitroHonda said:
FWIW, I'm a big Brian Cushing fan. I don't care what he puts in his body. What I do care about is that he got himself suspended for 4 games. 1/4 of a season... gone. I will continue to cheer for Brian Cushing as long as he keeps on producing. Being suspended isn't what I call contributing. I heart the Cush but right now I'm disappointed in him and I'm going to have some fun while I'm at it. Violating the banned substance list considering his 'history' is gay and warrants ridicule.
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How much difference is it than an actress/model getting a boob job ?
 
TexansFanatic said:
I'm not completely refuting your post. I also want to believe Cushing is telling the truth when he suggests this is really a case of the NFL making a mountain out of a molehill.

But, as for your anger that the people who are upset with him and are jumping to conclusions: It's not like they are making crap up out of thin air. The guy failed a drug test and has been suspended for four games. The NFL believes he's guilty of a pretty severe infraction and is backing it up with a pretty severe penalty. This, in addition to all of the rumors about Cushing since he was in high school, in addition to the before and after pics of Cushing while at USC, creates a preponderance of evidence that our star linebacker is a juicer.

And as far as being innocent until proven guilty: a jury of twelve people found O.J. Simpson not guilty of murder. If I tell you O.J. is a murderer will you tell me to move to a dictatorship?
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Big whoop? That preponderance of evidence was there before yesterday, why werent you throwing him under the bus since then? Because now he has failed a drug test? But it has already been stated that the test can be failed for things other than steroid use.

What im getting at is that there is a reasonable doubt that he is a juicer. You are looking at before and after pictures posted on the net by USC haters and making up your mind about him before you have enough information.

Consider this. If the evidence that he has been juicing since high school is SO compelling and damning.. do you really think the Texans would have drafted him? Or, if they drafted him despite that.. do you think they would have just left it alone and let him go about his business however he chose to, or would they have tried to protect their investment and insure that he is clean and stays that way?

You seem to think that Cushing has just been injecting himself daily for the last 5 years and no one cared or tested him. I think it is possible he took steroids in the past.. but I think it is just as possible that he is clean and has been clean for a while, and that he failed this drug test due to other things.

Which one is it? I dont know.. and neither should you. There is no clear cut "verdict" on this.. and to pass judgement on the kid as though you KNOW what he did; its just wrong.



As for the OJ case. Do I really need to explain that the justice system isnt perfect? Do we really need to debate the merits of being Guilty till Innocent or Innocent until Guilty.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
How much difference is it than an actress/model getting a boob job ?
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Getting a boob job isn't going to get anyone suspended. Even Cushing can go get himself a boob job if he wanted. He won't get suspended for that. Like I said... I don't care what he puts in his body. I don't judge there. What I do judge is him missing 4 games. No matter if that came via a Haynesworth head stomp or a Rapethisberger or a steroid. I expect his ass on the field 16 games a year (injuries or family matters are an acceptable absence).
 
Cushing may have cost us a quick start, with his four game absence. An up and coming defense will have a huge void those first four games. That is really all that matters to me.

I do not discount his tenacity and work ethic whether he is on the juice or not - so I firmly believe he will be prepared to play Week 5 and make a difference.

This is a significant hit for the defense, and am not sure how they will respond. In our short history we have not responded well to adversity, and our fan base's lack of confidence, in my opinion, is directly related to the team not sacking up. Perhaps this is the year, until then, this sucks.
 
Grid said:
Im not at all surprised that people are upset.. im not even surprised that a bunch of hotheads are already talking about how terrible a person he is and how he sucks and probably worships the devil and eats kittens to bulk up.
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Wait... what?
When did kittens get on the banned substance list?
:runaway:
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
How much difference is it than an actress/model getting a boob job ?
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To my knowledge there's no rule against boob jobs (or lyposuction or any other type of nip-tuck) in Hollywood. There are rules, clearly defined rules, against what NFL athletes cannot take as performance enhancing drugs.

When an athlete signs his contract, he agrees to abide by those rules. For all we know, Cushing could have taken Sudafed and triggered the FAIL alarm on the drug test. So, bottom line, it's on him - and his nutritionists and trainers and doctors - to make sure he's taking the acceptable things.

With me, it's more disappointment that his support system let him down, than anger at Cushing himself.

This is no different than if he twisted an ankle in T/C and had to miss a month while it healed. I'd be just as bummed in either case.
 
Grid said:
That preponderance of evidence was there before yesterday, why werent you throwing him under the bus since then?
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Because before yesterday he hadn't failed a drug test.


Grid said:
What im getting at is that there is a reasonable doubt that he is a juicer. You are looking at before and after pictures posted on the net by USC haters and making up your mind about him before you have enough information.
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Yes, there is reasonable doubt he is a juicer. But there is also a lot of evidence that he is.

Grid said:
Consider this. If the evidence that he has been juicing since high school is SO compelling and damning.. do you really think the Texans would have drafted him?
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Excellent question. The answer is: I sure hope not, but it looks kinda like they might have.

Grid said:
You seem to think that Cushing has just been injecting himself daily for the last 5 years and no one cared or tested him.
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Or he managed to beat all the tests until now.

Grid said:
Which one is it? I dont know.. and neither should you. There is no clear cut "verdict" on this.. and to pass judgement on the kid as though you KNOW what he did; its just wrong.
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A clear cut verdict---no. But a preponderance of evidence that he's a juicer---yes.


Grid said:
As for the OJ case. Do I really need to explain that the justice system isnt perfect? Do we really need to debate the merits of being Guilty till Innocent or Innocent until Guilty.
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OJ was found Not Guilty after a criminal trial.

OJ was found Liable after a civil trial.


Again, I'm with you that we don't know all the facts. I'm with you in wanting to support him until I'm dead certain he's guilty. But to get angry at the posters here who are buying into the idea that our star linebacker is a juicer is to ignore a lot of evidence that supports their conclusions.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Cushing may have cost us a quick start, with his four game absence. An up and coming defense will have a huge void those first four games. That is really all that matters to me.

I do not discount his tenacity and work ethic whether he is on the juice or not - so I firmly believe he will be prepared to play Week 5 and make a difference.

This is a significant hit for the defense, and am not sure how they will respond. In our short history we have not responded well to adversity, and our fan base's lack of confidence, in my opinion, is directly related to the team not sacking up. Perhaps this is the year, until then, this sucks.
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This is true, but maybe the defense can rally around it and produce for the first four games without him. Then, when he comes back, it's the added bonus/gravy on top. I think it can happen.

And the thread title should be changed, because it wasn't steroids.
 
Wolf said:
this thread
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being we don't have all the facts yet
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awesome.

must spread rep...
 
TexansFanatic said:
Again, I'm with you that we don't know all the facts. I'm with you in wanting to support him until I'm dead certain he's guilty. But to get angry at the posters here who are buying into the idea that our star linebacker is a juicer is to ignore a lot of evidence that supports their conclusions.
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What "evidence"? I've yet to see the lab report showing what was in his system that triggered the FAIL. It could have been some OTC medication like Sudafed or some diarhetic or something. As to the before and after pictures, I've seen too much photoshop work to believe any internet posted pictures.

And yeah, the NFL busted him. That's a fact. But innocent folks have been busted before. That, too, is a fact.

Now I ain't sayin' he did or didn't. We don't know, and probably never will. But as long as he wears our colors, I'll support him.
 
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What "evidence"? I've yet to see the lab report showing what was in his system that triggered the FAIL. It could have been some OTC medication like Sudafed or some diarhetic or something. As to the before and after pictures, I've seen too much photoshop work to believe any internet posted pictures.

And yeah, the NFL busted him. That's a fact. But innocent folks have been busted before. That, too, is a fact.

Now I ain't sayin' he did or didn't. We don't know, and probably never will. But as long as he wears our colors, I'll support him.
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You mean you didn't jump to a conclusion?
 
ObsiWan said:
What "evidence"? I've yet to see the lab report showing what was in his system that triggered the FAIL. It could have been some OTC medication like Sudafed or some diarhetic or something. As to the before and after pictures, I've seen too much photoshop work to believe any internet posted pictures.

And yeah, the NFL busted him. That's a fact. But innocent folks have been busted before. That, too, is a fact.

Now I ain't sayin' he did or didn't. We don't know, and probably never will. But as long as he wears our colors, I'll support him.
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JB said:
You mean you didn't jump to a conclusion?
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How novel!
 
I can't be upset at fans who are upset with Cushing.

Whether it was steroids or something else Cush brought this on himself. That said, I will be happy and anxious upon his return.
 
Grid said:
Support him or gtfo in my opinion.

I need to make a list of all you ****ers that are throwing him under the bus. You people are pathetic.
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I'll tell you what's pathetic. Any poster who thinks their opinion counts more than anyone else's. And thinks that "making a list" means anything more than squat.

You have an opinion on Brian Cushing, or anyone else on the Texans, state it. But calling out one, or a group of posters is uncalled for and unacceptable. They've done nothing but state their opinion. State yours regarding Brian Cushing and/or the NFL, and move on.

Brian Cushing cheated. Says the NFL. And their opinion is the one that counts. That doesn't mean Texan fans should necessarily disown Brian Cushing. But is it reasonable to be upset that his actions have caused the loss of his services for the initial 4 games? I think that's very reasonable. Is it understandable to be disappointed that Cushing's actions have cast a shadow over his tremendous rookie season (and the organization as a whole)? Yes, very understandable.

I'm going to continue to cheer for Brian Cushing after he returns from his deserved suspension. I believe in 2nd chances. But, I also believe in not burying my head in the sand when mistakes are made by the organization, individual coaches, or players. Just because they bear the moniker "Texans". Brian Cushing made a mistake, and should own up to it like a man. If he's not capable of that, then just not making the mistake again will have to be good enough.
 
So this is what is feels like to be a Cowboy fan? Hmmmm, makes me feel all tingly inside....


I ain't mad he was on roids or whatnot, I'm mad he didn't hide it well enough and got caught...

I like 500ft hrs and monster hits on the grid iron and if it take some advanced science to bring me my entertainment, so be it....

I am not as worried about performance but more concerned about Cushing being able to stay healthy now if he is off what ever he was on....
 
ObsiWan said:
There are rules, clearly defined rules, against what NFL athletes cannot take as performance enhancing drugs.
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Just thought I would share a couple excerpts from the NFL POLICY ON ANABOLIC STEROIDS
AND RELATED SUBSTANCES 2009

from the bottom of the first list:

Testosterone Andronate 1-Testosterone ---
Tetrahydrogestrinone THG
Trenbolone Finaject

and related substances
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and the next list...

Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) Novarel, Menotropins
Insulin Growth Factor (IGF-1) ---
Erythropoietin (EPO) ---

and related substances
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See for yourself: http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/images/oldImages/fck/2009 Steroid Policy.pdf


Doesn't look very clearly defined to me.
 
I'm just going to throw this out there as one possible explanation of what happened.

During the season, Cush has an allergy attack or something. He takes some OTC decongestant or some OTC allergy medication that has a decongestant. He gets randomly drug tested out of the blue. He tests positive for pseudo-ephedrine. That's a violation.

He gets told he tested positive.

In February, he appeals and he provides the NFL a bunch of documentation about what happened and he expects to be exonerated.

He wasn't.

I'm not saying that's what happened. But it is one of many different possible scenarios. For us fans, just sitting out here with no information... we don't know. It doesn't make sense that Cush is doing bodybuilder/powerlifter types of steroid cycles because there's no way he can do those and have any hope of passing a random drug test.

So, I'm not ticked off about this. I'm not expecting to see some huge deflation of the Cush or a sudden decrease in playing ability. It could happen but I'm not expecting it.
 
I just realized another thing that hasn't been mentioned here. There are currently no available methods for testing for HGH. And Cushing can now afford to take it (it costs thousands of dollars a month). So steroids or no steroids, there's nothing stopping him from using HGH from now on.
 
wagonhed said:
Just thought I would share a couple excerpts from the NFL POLICY ON ANABOLIC STEROIDS
AND RELATED SUBSTANCES 2009

from the bottom of the first list:



and the next list...




See for yourself: http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/images/oldImages/fck/2009 Steroid Policy.pdf


Doesn't look very clearly defined to me.
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That's why one should get nutritionists, doctors, and chemists on your payroll if one is inclined to dabble in this mess. Pay them to keep you clean while improving your physical performance.

I'm more disappointed in his support system than I am Cushing. But I said that already, I thought.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I'm just going to throw this out there as one possible explanation of what happened.

During the season, Cush has an allergy attack or something. He takes some OTC decongestant or some OTC allergy medication that has a decongestant. He gets randomly drug tested out of the blue. He tests positive for pseudo-ephedrine. That's a violation.

He gets told he tested positive.

In February, he appeals and he provides the NFL a bunch of documentation about what happened and he expects to be exonerated.

He wasn't.

I'm not saying that's what happened. But it is one of many different possible scenarios. For us fans, just sitting out here with no information... we don't know. It doesn't make sense that Cush is doing bodybuilder/powerlifter types of steroid cycles because there's no way he can do those and have any hope of passing a random drug test.

So, I'm not ticked off about this. I'm not expecting to see some huge deflation of the Cush or a sudden decrease in playing ability. It could happen but I'm not expecting it.
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exactly but people (on his facebook page) started going off on how they knew he was doing steroids all along ,etc, etc and jumped to conclusions on it and wouldn't wait for Cushing to come out with a statement.


I am disappointed in it but, hopefully it is a learning experience.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I'm just going to throw this out there as one possible explanation of what happened.

During the season, Cush has an allergy attack or something. He takes some OTC decongestant or some OTC allergy medication that has a decongestant. He gets randomly drug tested out of the blue. He tests positive for pseudo-ephedrine. That's a violation.

He gets told he tested positive.

In February, he appeals and he provides the NFL a bunch of documentation about what happened and he expects to be exonerated.

He wasn't.

I'm not saying that's what happened. But it is one of many different possible scenarios. For us fans, just sitting out here with no information... we don't know. It doesn't make sense that Cush is doing bodybuilder/powerlifter types of steroid cycles because there's no way he can do those and have any hope of passing a random drug test.

So, I'm not ticked off about this. I'm not expecting to see some huge deflation of the Cush or a sudden decrease in playing ability. It could happen but I'm not expecting it.
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He is a cheater and a scallywag and should be strung up by his tiny nutz and beaten like a pinata.....:pissed:
 
wagonhed said:
I just realized another thing that hasn't been mentioned here. There are currently no available methods for testing for HGH. And Cushing can now afford to take it (it costs thousands of dollars a month). So steroids or no steroids, there's nothing stopping him from using HGH from now on.
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nope and if he wants to play for a long time, he should stock up on the H...
 
lucky said:
i'm going to continue to cheer for brian cushing after he returns from his deserved suspension. I believe in 2nd chances. But, i also believe in not burying my head in the sand when mistakes are made by the organization, individual coaches, or players. Just because they bear the moniker "texans".
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bing - freaking - go!
 
Grid said:
Support him or gtfo in my opinion.

If you are a Texans fan.. 24 hours ago you loved Brian Cushing. And if you are a Texans fan.. i can understand disappointment, sadness, even anger... but shitting on Cushing today is just unforgivable. It is possible to voice your disappointment without bad mouthing, name calling, or making wild accusations.

I need to make a list of all you ****ers that are throwing him under the bus. You people are pathetic. I can only hope that some day you find yourself in a tough situation and everyone who cares about you uses that opportunity to walk all over you.

For those of you here who have never made a mistake.. I hope you have contacted your church because as of right now, im pretty sure no one knew that Jesus was walking the earth again. You shoulda let us know when you got here big J.

For the rest of you.. congrats on being a normal flawed human being. Maybe you should use that shared human imperfection to try and generate some empathy for the 21 year old kid that is already dealing with the accusations and ridicule of people all over the country... I dont think he needs it from his supporters at home too.

Anyway.. if Cushing failed the test due to a masking agent or some such.. but not any true PEDs.. and he is naturally a beast, and he comes back and continues to be a superstar for us, I hope all you judgemental bitches choke on the crow you are gonna have to eat, and die a horrible violent death.
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You have succeed in essentially flushing your reputation down the drain in my eyes with that last comment. There are ways to react when you are passionate about a topic and that was not it.
 
Lucky said:
I'll tell you what's pathetic. Any poster who thinks their opinion counts more than anyone else's. And thinks that "making a list" means anything more than squat.

You have an opinion on Brian Cushing, or anyone else on the Texans, state it. But calling out one, or a group of posters is uncalled for and unacceptable. They've done nothing but state their opinion. State yours regarding Brian Cushing and/or the NFL, and move on.

Brian Cushing cheated. Says the NFL. And their opinion is the one that counts. That doesn't mean Texan fans should necessarily disown Brian Cushing. But is it reasonable to be upset that his actions have caused the loss of his services for the initial 4 games? I think that's very reasonable. Is it understandable to be disappointed that Cushing's actions have cast a shadow over his tremendous rookie season (and the organization as a whole)? Yes, very understandable.

I'm going to continue to cheer for Brian Cushing after he returns from his deserved suspension. I believe in 2nd chances. But, I also believe in not burying my head in the sand when mistakes are made by the organization, individual coaches, or players. Just because they bear the moniker "Texans". Brian Cushing made a mistake, and should own up to it like a man. If he's not capable of that, then just not making the mistake again will have to be good enough.
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Thanks for the reminder Lucky! I think that many of us forget that opinions are just like assholes. Everybody's got one and they all stink!

We don't need none of that smarter than you or holier than you crap here on a football fan message board...
 
Lucky said:
I'll tell you what's pathetic. Any poster who thinks their opinion counts more than anyone else's. And thinks that "making a list" means anything more than squat.

You have an opinion on Brian Cushing, or anyone else on the Texans, state it. But calling out one, or a group of posters is uncalled for and unacceptable. They've done nothing but state their opinion. State yours regarding Brian Cushing and/or the NFL, and move on.

Brian Cushing cheated. Says the NFL. And their opinion is the one that counts. That doesn't mean Texan fans should necessarily disown Brian Cushing. But is it reasonable to be upset that his actions have caused the loss of his services for the initial 4 games? I think that's very reasonable. Is it understandable to be disappointed that Cushing's actions have cast a shadow over his tremendous rookie season (and the organization as a whole)? Yes, very understandable.

I'm going to continue to cheer for Brian Cushing after he returns from his deserved suspension. I believe in 2nd chances. But, I also believe in not burying my head in the sand when mistakes are made by the organization, individual coaches, or players. Just because they bear the moniker "Texans". Brian Cushing made a mistake, and should own up to it like a man. If he's not capable of that, then just not making the mistake again will have to be good enough.
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:clap: Well said!
 
JB said:
Thanks for the reminder Lucky! I think that many of us forget that opinions are just like assholes. Everybody's got one and they all stink!

We don't need none of that smarter than you or holier than you crap here on a football fan message board...
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Not really. Mine smells like roses. :slapfight:

Well said about the "smarter than you............................."
 
read the sig. exactly why we should of taken Oher. And cmon everyone knows Cushing took steroids when at USC. To say any differnt is just....well you know.
 
Texan_Bill said:
I got this.. (for your slow azz), "What is the odds of this being diuretics?"


Thank you and good night. *takes bow*
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Thank you! You know how old farts like Thorn ( and me to a lesser extent ) tend to get confused...
 
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