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I like the trade and the price doesn't bother me. People are over valuing those first and undervaluing what Tunsil would have cost us if we drafted him. He was projected to be a top 3 guy but fell because of the bong video, even still he was taken at 13th. If you stop to think about what it would have cost us to move up to 13, never mind top 3, then his price tag isn't that high either. People are also talking about his contract like he can walk after this year, he can't, we have him for the next two years. Again lets say we drafted a rookie, it would take at least 1-2 years, or longer with Devlin as their coach, before they were actually ready to play at an NFL level and only then will you see if they were a bust or not. With Tunsil you are getting the best two years of his rookie contract and you have someone that has already shown they will not be a bust.
I do wish he was better at the run blocking but Hyde seems to be doing fine, been saying we need a bulldozer of a RB to make BoB run plans work, and I'm far more worried about protecting Watson than I am any RB we've had the last 6 years. Overall two 1st for the guy sounds like a lot but if you look at the going rate on any decent LT in both the draft and F/A his price point is right on the mark.
Best pass blocker we've had since Duane Brown. Not the masher Duane is in the run game though. His pad level is high and he doesnt get the push you would expect from an All Pro type LT. Im wondering if thats just strength related, but he's been in NFL S&C programs now for a few years. Not sure what to make of it, he's not horrible on run plays, just not nearly as dominant as pass plays. Still a tough pill to swallow considering if this is as good as he gets he will cost you nearly 75-80Ms to lock up, but you gotta pay to play.
People are also talking about his contract like he can walk after this year, he can't, we have him for the next two years.
Just to clarify, we have him for this season and the next. He'll cost about 10 mil next season, then can walk after. This is probably what you were implying, but I'm sure others read it as he's a FA in 2022.
If we don't extend him, then I'll stand behind Tunsil being too expensive.
With that being said, happy with him as a pass protector. He gets penalized too much for my taste, but willing to give him benefit of the doubt as he's still adjusting to a new team.
Disagree. Rounds 3-5 are the lifeblood of the roster. #1 picks are the heart.If you ask me , the jury is still out and will remain so for several years.
1 or 2 years of what he's done so far isn't enough to justify the draft capital they gave up to get him.
Give us 5-7 years of quality play at the position and we'll call it square.
#1 picks are the lifeblood of the roster …. that gives you team control via the rookie scale contract and their second contract with RFA status.
Essentially you are giving up 3 likely starters for their first two contracts. That's a lot.
He has improved each week …. the level of play is getting there but its just as important that he locks that spot down for an extended number of years.
This one will take a while to justify.
Disagree. Rounds 3-5 are the lifeblood of the roster. #1 picks are the heart.
It's how every successful team does it in the NFL.Texans fans aren't used to getting quality players in those rds, but it can be done.
Looks like the ol is coming together.
Texans fans aren't used to getting quality players in those rds, but it can be done.
Looks like the ol is coming together.
I would never assume that the Texans would've gotten great talent with those picks. Hope yeah, but not expect
If he gives you 7-10 solid years, then fine. They gave up what they did, move on. But they didn't just give up 2 #1s and a 2nd, and yeah I know they got Stills too, blah, blah, but they also gave up 3 years of a cheap rookie contracts. They don't get 4 years or so before they have to deal out big money, they've got to dish that out preferably this next off-season. Can’t have him being tempted by free agency.
If he gives you 7-10 solid years, then fine. They gave up what they did, move on. But they didn't just give up 2 #1s and a 2nd, and yeah I know they got Stills too, blah, blah, but they also gave up 3 years of a cheap rookie contracts. They don't get 4 years or so before they have to deal out big money, they've got to dish that out preferably this next off-season. Can’t have him being tempted by free agency.
I really wish we knew more about contract negotiations. They were talking with Mercilus and Reader this off season which was super smart, but did they low ball them or did the guys bet on themself and wanted to have a career year and really get paid? Hard to kick the Texans in the nuts without knowing any facts as it takes two to tango, but they may have miscalculated badly if they lowballed those two specifically. Agree you know your guys best, and going a year early gets you a bit of a discount most times as the guys get a guarentee a year earlier so take a little less off the topReally 4 years of cheap rookie deals plus having the right to negotiate early with any rookie that does well.
Like with Watson, the Texans would be able to keep any rookie who is looking great.
If they were smart they would look into doing some extensions early to save money, but they have no GM
Really 4 years of cheap rookie deals plus having the right to negotiate early with any rookie that does well.
Like with Watson, the Texans would be able to keep any rookie who is looking great.
If they were smart they would look into doing some extensions early to save money, but they have no GM
I really wish we knew more about contract negotiations. They were talking with Mercilus and Reader this off season which was super smart, but did they low ball them or did the guys bet on themself and wanted to have a career year and really get paid? Hard to kick the Texans in the nuts without knowing any facts as it takes two to tango, but they may have miscalculated badly if they lowballed those two specifically. Agree you know your guys best, and going a year early gets you a bit of a discount most times as the guys get a guarentee a year earlier so take a little less off the top
You always talk about contract extensions as though it just up to the Texans to decide if they are going to sign a guy or not. News flash, the guy has to agree to the deal as well. Another news flash agents pay attention to the market and tell their client if they should wait about resigning in hopes of a better deal. If I was Tunsil's agent I would have told him "Hell no you don't sign an extension, do you see what the Raiders just paid Brown? That price is only going to go up in two years so you play out the rookie deal then you see who opens their wallet the widest." Same with Mercilus "Man you are making that city forget Clowney's name, you keep balling like that and teams will be knocking down your door so when the Texans come to you with a new contract you call me up and we see if we can't squeeze another 5 mill or so."
That is the reality of business, nobody has to sign anything.
I agree with that, free agents leave all teams. Which is why the team needs a sustainable strategy to replace such guys rather than blowing so much draft capital and capspace in a single trade to solve a single position
I agree with that, free agents leave all teams. Which is why the team needs a sustainable strategy to replace such guys rather than blowing so much draft capital and capspace in a single trade to solve a single position
If he gives you 7-10 solid years, then fine. They gave up what they did, move on. But they didn't just give up 2 #1s and a 2nd, and yeah I know they got Stills too, blah, blah, but they also gave up 3 years of a cheap rookie contracts. They don't get 4 years or so before they have to deal out big money, they've got to dish that out preferably this next off-season. Can’t have him being tempted by free agency.
Fair enough. Your points are certainly valid concerns.
However, I think the "3 years of a cheap rookie contracts" is purely subjective based on position. The first three years of a rookie LT is a learning curve. I'd say an experienced LT > rookie contract. If it was a RB, then yeah, the rookie deal is valued higher. Rookie RBs can hit the ground running. LT, not so much.
Nobody knows what to expect from Tunsil or the Texans FO. That said, I'm choosing to be optimistic about it and hope for the best. They'll probably bring Nick Caserio in after the 2020 draft and he'll get the deals done. That's what I'm choosing to believe/hope until something else happens.
Otherwise, it's me just spinning my wheels in a negative way about speculation and assumptions. I'd prefer my entertainment not be so depressing all the time.
Fair enough. Your points are certainly valid concerns.
However, I think the "3 years of a cheap rookie contracts" is purely subjective based on position. The first three years of a rookie LT is a learning curve. I'd say an experienced LT > rookie contract. If it was a RB, then yeah, the rookie deal is valued higher. Rookie RBs can hit the ground running. LT, not so much.
Nobody knows what to expect from Tunsil or the Texans FO. That said, I'm choosing to be optimistic about it and hope for the best. They'll probably bring Nick Caserio in after the 2020 draft and he'll get the deals done. That's what I'm choosing to believe/hope until something else happens.
Otherwise, it's me just spinning my wheels in a negative way about speculation and assumptions. I'd prefer my entertainment not be so depressing all the time.
There is nothing in Texans history that would lead me to compare their front office to the Rams, Seahawks, 49ers, and Chiefs with regards to drafting talent. Especially now without a functioning GM.
Like I said, at this point in time, I'm okay with the Tunsil deal. It made us a better team in 2019. I'll let tomorrow take care of itself.
And as always, I maintain low expectations for this franchise so I'm rarely disappointed.
If he gives you 7-10 solid years, then fine. They gave up what they did, move on. But they didn't just give up 2 #1s and a 2nd, and yeah I know they got Stills too, blah, blah, but they also gave up 3 years of a cheap rookie contracts. They don't get 4 years or so before they have to deal out big money, they've got to dish that out preferably this next off-season. Can’t have him being tempted by free agency.
Without adequate OL protection, Watson is a sitting duck and going to be done within 2 or 3 years. Heck when big mean RB only last about 5 or 6 seasons, as nobody is going to withstand that level of punishment.
Tell me again, why are you stocking up draft picks? You have the horses to compete now.... The thing that was lacking was a competent OL.
Okay Genius, then tell me again why we didn't trade all of our first round picks last season? Were you clamoring for that then?
I mean, shouldn't we have abandoned our 1st round picks the minute we had them to trade if protecting Watson "at all costs" was the most important plan even if it meant to sabotage the rest of the positions on the team?
Tunsil was seen as many as the #1 pick when he was drafted. He fell to Miami, aided by marijuana usage prior to the draft. He has character issues that were raised.
He’s a franchise level LT. If he stays healthy, he’s gonna play for another 10-12 years.
But it was a franchise defining type of gamble move. If it doesn’t yield you a good 7 years, or a deep playoff run , it will hinder the the franchise for years to come.
Texans would have spent a one trying to find a Tunsil in 2020. So 2021 will hinder the Texans for years to come? What about 2018?Tunsil was seen as many as the #1 pick when he was drafted. He fell to Miami, aided by marijuana usage prior to the draft. He has character issues that were raised.
He’s a franchise level LT. If he stays healthy, he’s gonna play for another 10-12 years.
But it was a franchise defining type of gamble move. If it doesn’t yield you a good 7 years, or a deep playoff run , it will hinder the the franchise for years to come.
Does anyone have the PFF grade on Duane Brown versus Tunsil?
Does anyone have the PFF grade on Duane Brown versus Tunsil?
If in ten years time we look back and ask ourselves if the Tunsil trade was good, in order to say definitively 'yes', the following three things would have needed to happen: he needs to perform well through this contract; he needs to agree to a new contract at a tolerable cost; he needs to perform well through that new contract.
With that said, I'm happy so far...
D. Brown - 67.0 grade
L. Tunsil - 75.6 grade
You can just google them, btw..
It was a bad trade. Especially when we dont develop O lineman under this staff. Doubt Tunsil becomes an all pro. However he is serviceable. If the goons on Kirby ruin him then we now have all we need to know about OB and Devlin.
I said all pro, not pro bowl.
This is my position as well.
You always talk about contract extensions as though it just up to the Texans to decide if they are going to sign a guy or not. News flash, the guy has to agree to the deal as well. Another news flash agents pay attention to the market and tell their client if they should wait about resigning in hopes of a better deal. If I was Tunsil's agent I would have told him "Hell no you don't sign an extension, do you see what the Raiders just paid Brown? That price is only going to go up in two years so you play out the rookie deal then you see who opens their wallet the widest." Same with Mercilus "Man you are making that city forget Clowney's name, you keep balling like that and teams will be knocking down your door so when the Texans come to you with a new contract you call me up and we see if we can't squeeze another 5 mill or so."
That is the reality of business, nobody has to sign anything.