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infantrycak said:
Reading is fundamental. He is trying to get Goodell's compensation to be more incentive based. Common belief is this is Jerry being mad about Ezekiel. It's reported he only has a few owners with him.

All what money? Bois has done nothing so far.
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I understand what you're saying, he's trying to cut God'ell's salary by making it performance based AND piss God'ell off so that he makes more mistakes and eventually gets let go/quits. IMHO

Boies ALWAYS gets paid. He's a lawyer, it's what y'all do.
 
steelbtexan said:
I understand what you're saying, he's trying to cut God'ell's salary by making it performance based AND piss God'ell off so that he makes more mistakes and eventually gets let go/quits. IMHO
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More like IYWT - in your wishful thinking.

Boies ALWAYS gets paid. He's a lawyer, it's what y'all do.
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Do I tell you your business? Jerry Jones calls up, chats for a minute 35 s and then says 'hey, can I use you to threaten the NFL?' 'Sure buddy.' 'How about Cabo fishing again next year as a retainer?' 'Sounds good.'
 
infantrycak said:
More like IYWT - in your wishful thinking.



Do I tell you your business? Jerry Jones calls up, chats for a minute 35 s and then says 'hey, can I use you to threaten the NFL?' 'Sure buddy.' 'How about Cabo fishing again next year as a retainer?' 'Sounds good.'
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IDKAWT

I don't know your business, but since Boies represented the NFL before I would think a little more than a fishing trip would be involved. But you're right you I know nothing when it comes to the world of lawyers and hope things remain this way.
 
They're calling Sherman's injury a "heel." Guarantee that's code word for "Achilles." The Achilles tendon inserts right into the heel.

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From my post in the TEXANS VS SEAHAWKS INJURY REPORT:

"CB RICHARD SHERMAN (ACHILLES).................EARLY SEPT, HE SUFFERED A THIGH INJURY...............THEN THE NEXT WEEK SUFFERED A HAMSTRING INJURY...............10 DAYS LATER IN PRACTICE, HE SUFFERED AN ACHILLES INJURY...........IN WEEK 4, HE SUFFERED A MINOR GROIN PULL, AND WAS LISTED FOR THAT INJURY ALONE FOR ONLY 1 WEEK...................THEN THE ACHILLES INJURY RESURFACED THE NEXT WEEK.............THIS IS MANY TIMES CHARACTERISTIC OF A PRODROME TO A LATER ACHILLES TENDON RUPTURE...........SHERMAN HASN'T PRACTICED MUCH THIS SEASON, THOUGH HE'S YET TO MISS A GAME OR EVEN A DEFENSIVE SNAP..........IN FACT, HE HAS NEVER MISSED A GAME SINCE ENTERING THE LEAGUE IN 2011................HE PLAYED THROUGH ENTIRE 2ND HALF OF THE 2016 SEASON WITH A MCL INJURY WHICH WAS NEVER LISTED ON ANY OF THE INJURY REPORTS (PETE CARROLL 1ST REVEALED THIS AFTER THE 2016 SEASON PLAYOFFS), BUT WAS INDEED THE REASON FOR HIS MARKEDLY DOWN YEAR..............THE SEAHAWKS WERE NEVER PUNISHED FOR THE INFRACTION.............PRIOR TO THE 2015 SEASON SUPERBOWL, HE SUFFERED A SHOULDER INJURY AND A TORN LIGAMENT IN HIS ELBOW .........HIS PERFORMANCE IN THE SUPERBOWL WAS GHOST-LIKE, AND HE UNDERWENT TOMMY-JOHN SURGERY TO REPAIR THE ULNAR COLLATERAL ELBOW LIGAMENT SHORTLY THEREAFTER........HE IS ONE TOUGH MUTHA"

The prodrome is in effect and he's definitely working his way towards a rupture.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
They're calling Sherman's injury a "heel." Guarantee that's code word for "Achilles." The Achilles tendon inserts right into the heel.

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From my post in the TEXANS VS SEAHAWKS INJURY REPORT:

"CB RICHARD SHERMAN (ACHILLES).................EARLY SEPT, HE SUFFERED A THIGH INJURY...............THEN THE NEXT WEEK SUFFERED A HAMSTRING INJURY...............10 DAYS LATER IN PRACTICE, HE SUFFERED AN ACHILLES INJURY...........IN WEEK 4, HE SUFFERED A MINOR GROIN PULL, AND WAS LISTED FOR THAT INJURY ALONE FOR ONLY 1 WEEK...................THEN THE ACHILLES INJURY RESURFACED THE NEXT WEEK.............THIS IS MANY TIMES CHARACTERISTIC OF A PRODROME TO A LATER ACHILLES TENDON RUPTURE...........SHERMAN HASN'T PRACTICED MUCH THIS SEASON, THOUGH HE'S YET TO MISS A GAME OR EVEN A DEFENSIVE SNAP..........IN FACT, HE HAS NEVER MISSED A GAME SINCE ENTERING THE LEAGUE IN 2011................HE PLAYED THROUGH ENTIRE 2ND HALF OF THE 2016 SEASON WITH A MCL INJURY WHICH WAS NEVER LISTED ON ANY OF THE INJURY REPORTS (PETE CARROLL 1ST REVEALED THIS AFTER THE 2016 SEASON PLAYOFFS), BUT WAS INDEED THE REASON FOR HIS MARKEDLY DOWN YEAR..............THE SEAHAWKS WERE NEVER PUNISHED FOR THE INFRACTION.............PRIOR TO THE 2015 SEASON SUPERBOWL, HE SUFFERED A SHOULDER INJURY AND A TORN LIGAMENT IN HIS ELBOW .........HIS PERFORMANCE IN THE SUPERBOWL WAS GHOST-LIKE, AND HE UNDERWENT TOMMY-JOHN SURGERY TO REPAIR THE ULNAR COLLATERAL ELBOW LIGAMENT SHORTLY THEREAFTER........HE IS ONE TOUGH MUTHA"

The prodrome is in effect and he's definitely working his way towards a rupture.
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CND strikes again. Hate the circumstance, appreciate the knowledge, as always.
 
I won't be surprised if the Cards' Humphries knee injury turns out to be an ACL, even though it is being reported as an MCL. IF so, another LT goes down for the season.
 
Last night when Russell was sent to the sideline for "concussion evaluation." It lasted about 5 seconds and consisted of opening and closing the blue medical tent without ever going into it. Went right back in after missing 1 snap. No way he was properly evaluated per the Concussion Protocol. Then, when the Seahawks defense later took the field, he disappeared inside the tent for a legitimate evaluation. Apparently, the Concussion Protocol has not progressed much further than since the Keenum fiasco.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I won't be surprised if the Cards' Humphries knee injury turns out to be an ACL, even though it is being reported as an MCL. IF so, another LT goes down for the season.
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Are there any survivors? It seems like every notable left tackle (and most of the the rest) have been knocked out half way into the season, even iron man Joe Thomas has gone down this year ... though (I was watching the game) I'm still a bit confused about a broken orbital with the helmet still on.
 
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Scooter said:
Are there any survivors? It seems like every notable left tackle (and most of the the rest) have been knocked out half way into the season, even iron man Joe Thomas has gone down this year ... though (I was watching the game) I'm still a bit confused about a broken orbital with the helmet still on.
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So am I. I heard an interview where Fletcher Cox said that it was an accident that his hand went through Staley's mask........and that he was very thankful that he didn't fracture his hand. Had to be a pretty small hand that could get his knuckles through the mask to fracture the orbit...........simple hard finger poke could not have caused such an injury.

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CloakNNNdagger said:
So am I. I heard an interview where Fletcher Cox said that it was an accident that his hand went through Staley's mask........and that he was very thankful that he didn't fracture his hand. Had to be a pretty small hand that could get his knuckles through the mask to fracture the orbit...........simple hard finger poke could not have caused such an injury.
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Oops I mixed up Staley and Thomas, though apparently I'm bad luck because I watched both injuries.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Branch looks like he could have sustained an ACL and MCL. We'll probably not find out until tomorrow.
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It has now been confirmed that Branch did sustain an ACL rupture. No mention of an MCL or meniscus damage. But ACL ruptures seldom occur in isolation...........>50% are associated with damage to the other aforementioned structures..........................
#45 since the beginning of TC / #47 since the beginning of the League year.
 
We'll be learning more about how good Prescott really is.

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Ezekiel Elliott leaving country to train, refocus
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  • Updated: Nov. 12, 2017 at 09:02 a.m.

Leaving America: An Ezekiel Elliott Story.

Ezekiel Elliott is out at least the next four weeks, until a Dec. 1 court date, and could serve the entire six games of his suspension and sit until Christmas Eve.

In the meantime, the Dallas Cowboys running back is jetting out of the country, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Sunday on NFL GameDay Morning.

"So what is on the docket for Zeke Elliott himself? I am told he is leaving the country to an undisclosed location to completely reset, clear his head, train, and come back in late December for the Cowboys in the best shape he has been in," Rapoport said.THE REST OF THE STORY
 
The NFL Concussion Protocol remains a joke.

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Seahawks clearly violated concussion protocol; what will NFL do about it?
November 12, 2017, 7:44 AM EST

It’s obvious that the Seahawks violated the concussion protocol when allowing quarterback Russell Wilson to return to Thursday night’s game without a concussion evaluation. The question is whether the NFL will do anything about it.

Adam Schefter of ESPN report that the Seahawks “are expected to face consequences” for the failure. Even if they do, what will they be?

Previously, every situation involving a player who did not receive a concussion evaluation when he apparently should have did not result in discipline for anyone. Instead, the league would find a reason to excuse the irregularity by finding some obscure loophole in the rules and issuing a “don’t do that again” admonition.

The difference in this case is that, unlike prior cases, the concussion protocol was activated when the referee sent Wilson to the sideline. At that point, the Seahawks had no choice but to give Wilson an evaluation. And they didn’t.

So what will the “consequences” be? As noted on Friday, a revised policy unveiled in 2016 provides that, for a first offense, the team faces a maximum fine of $150,000. Which means it can be less than that.

Elsewhere in the policy appears an explanation that, if the league and the NFL Players Association agree that aggravating circumstances exist, the fine will be at least $50,000. Which implies that there’s a chance the outcome will be that Wilson innocently slipped through the fingers of team doctors and trainers, and that the fine could be what amounts to, for a franchise owned by one of the richest men in the world, the fine for taking a book back a day late to the library. (Google it, kids.)

To summarize, while the Seahawks may indeed face “consequences” for what occurred on Thursday night, the “consequences” for their behavior may be sufficiently minimal to prompt owner Paul Allen to shrug and say, “Consequences, shmonsequences as long as I’m really, really, really rich.”
 
This offense fits Keenum’s skill set much better. Vikings offense just marched down the field and punched it in.
 
Daniel Lasco used his head as a battering ram on coverage of a kickoff return. His neck was braced and he was taken to the hospital by ambulance for evaluation. It is reported that he has been moving all 4 limbs with no further information.
 
Some guy named Adrian Clayborn got 6 sacks vs Dallas today ! Is that a record, 6 sacks by a single player in one game ?
Jesus and they use to have a descent Oline but sounds like like us they took their eye off of the ball.
 
IDEXAN said:
Some guy named Adrian Clayborn got 6 sacks vs Dallas today ! Is that a record, 6 sacks by a single player in one game ?
Jesus and they use to have a descent Oline but sounds like like us they took their eye off of the ball.
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Tyrann Smith didn't play and Chaz Green got abused.
 
Here's a problem with the Russell Wilson situation. How is the referee qualified to make the decision on whether he should be looked at for a concussion? Is he a doctor?

If Wilson feels fine, why should his team have to suffer with him on the bench getting checked out just because someone with no more qualifications than his own coaches said so?

I'm not saying the answer is easy. But leaving it up to an official is setting a bad precedent. That person is in no position to make that decision. I know the NFL is trying to avoid lawsuits but medical professionals need to be making that call, not a referee.
 
bah007 said:
Here's a problem with the Russell Wilson situation. How is the referee qualified to make the decision on whether he should be looked at for a concussion? Is he a doctor?

If Wilson feels fine, why should his team have to suffer with him on the bench getting checked out just because someone with no more qualifications than his own coaches said so?

I'm not saying the answer is easy. But leaving it up to an official is setting a bad precedent. That person is in no position to make that decision. I know the NFL is trying to avoid lawsuits but medical professionals need to be making that call, not a referee.
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An official could actually rig a game that way.
 
Daniel Lasco is now reported to have feeling in all 4 limbs. With the way he went down, although it is not being reported at this time, I suspect there may very well be a cervical spinal fracture involved.
 
Packers and Bennett situation is on some day-time soap opera type stuff. Straight up called Martellus a fraud and tagged him!


Tom Crabtree‏Verified account@itsCrab

If you ever thought a team/front office/coach gave a **** about a player’s character, see the Patriots letting the fraud @MartysaurusRex suit up and play tonight. Quit and lied in Green Bay days ago, now signed and playing in New England.
 
bah007 said:
Here's a problem with the Russell Wilson situation. How is the referee qualified to make the decision on whether he should be looked at for a concussion? Is he a doctor?

If Wilson feels fine, why should his team have to suffer with him on the bench getting checked out just because someone with no more qualifications than his own coaches said so?

I'm not saying the answer is easy. But leaving it up to an official is setting a bad precedent. That person is in no position to make that decision. I know the NFL is trying to avoid lawsuits but medical professionals need to be making that call, not a referee.
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That "eye in the sky" is a certified athletic trainer. However, he does not have the same medical background as the neurotrauma specialists on the sidelines. Nor do team doctors, typically orthopedists, or other trainers, who lack medical degrees. The way the Protocol is set up, Team doctors are encouraged to consider the neurotrauma specialist’s assessment of a player’s performance, but if a team doctor believes the player can return to play, he may do so even if the specialist disagrees. The referee alone is not authorized to stop play for the purpose of concussion evaluation. He is to receive instructions to do so from the team doctor or the neurotrauma specialist.

If the Protocol is followed to the "T," the following will trigger at least a trip to the sideline for the quick evaluation and a loss of at least 1 play.

There are seven observable symptoms used to identify players with concussions. Those are:

  • Any loss of consciousness
  • Slow to get up following a hit to the head ("hit to the head" may include secondary contact with the playing surface)
  • Motor coordination/balance problems (stumbles, trips/falls, slow/labored movement)
  • Blank or vacant look
  • Disorientation (e.g., unsure of where he is on the field or location of bench)
  • Clutching of head after contact
  • Visible facial injury in combination with any of the above
When spotters or other medical personnel see those signs, that’s when the protocol goes into effect.
 
Hats off to concession prices at Atlanta's Mercedes Benz stadium. Soda $2, souvenir cup $4 both with unlimited refills, bottled beer $5, hot dog, pretzels, popcorn $2, cheese burger $5, chicken tenders 6, peanuts $3, water $2. Nachos $3. Perhaps that is a good reason for the concourse to be congested.
 
Bridgewater ready but Keenum to start this week against the 7-2 Rams.

Peterson to start for Buffalo against the Chargers. He debuted last week, quarterbacking the last two drives against the Saints.
 
@CloakNNNdagger I may have missed it. How do you feel about teddy possibly getting back in the saddle This season after that injury? I figure he will need to sooner or later but is this too early ?
 
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@CloakNNNdagger I may have missed it. How do you feel about teddy possibly getting back in the saddle This season after that injury? I figure he will need to sooner or later but is this too early ?
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Teddy will need to learn to become a consistent pocket passer, as after his type of injury, his mobile ability will be compromised in the short term and the long term. Fortunately, a QB has the luxury of his legs not being the total factor for success or failure of his career, unlike skill players and linemen. I feel that if they put him in there this year, they will be making a mistake.........too soon to expect full recovery.......and no need because of Keenum's performance. His thin lower extremities in my opinion makes him a high risk for more knee injuries (I predicted NFL knee injuries when we were talking about drafting)..............no need to encourage them even more because he is still compensating for his recent injury. Wait until OTAs and preseason, and transition him more cautiously into action.
 
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Media all week - "this Thursday night game has the feel of a playoff game" "the Titans are a good football team and will give the Steelers all it wants" "Mariotta, blah, blah, blah" "Mularkey has this team going in the right direction" "this Titans offensive line is tremendous" "Dick Lebeau on the defensive side of the ball for the Titans, blah, blah, blah."

The Steelers knocked the crap out of the Titans. That Titan o line gave up 5 sacks. Mariotta got picked 4 times. That LeBeau defense gave up 40 points. And a rookie named Watson dropped 50+ on them. The Titans can suck it!
 
These rulings are getting more and more bizarre. And still no one has explained to me to any satisfaction how Savage's hand going forward when he lost the ball in the last game was not considered an incomplete pass rather than a fumble.
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NFL: A receiver going to the ground can have control, take four steps, it’s still not a catch
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 18, 2017, 9:57 AM EST


Maybe some day the NFL will have a catch rule that the fans can understand. But that day has not yet come.

The most recent example of that came in last week’s Seahawks-Cardinals game, when Cardinals running back Andre Ellington grabbed a pass, took multiple steps, went to the ground and dropped the ball. On the field, that was ruled a catch and a fumble.

But on instant replay, the ruling was reversed to an incomplete pass. In the league’s weekly officiating video, NFL V.P. of Officiating Al Riveron explained why he reversed it, and said it doesn’t matter how many steps a receiver takes with control of the ball: If he’s going to the ground while he’s taking all those steps, he needs to maintain control when he hits the ground.

“We see the receiver control the football and then immediately, just prior to him turning, he starts to go to the ground,” Riveron said. “Control, he’s now going to the ground, two, three, maybe even four feet down. But he’s going to the ground. If in the process of completing the catch, the receiver is going to the ground, whether he’s going to the ground on his own or whether he’s touched by another player, he must maintain control of the football upon his initial contact with the ground. And as we see here, the minute he hits the ground the ball comes loose. Therefore it’s an incomplete pass.”

That won’t satisfy everyone. But it’s the answer the NFL is sticking to.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
These rulings are getting more and more bizarre. And still no one has explained to me to any satisfaction how Savage's hand going forward when he lost the ball in the last game was not considered an incomplete pass rather than a fumble.
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NFL: A receiver going to the ground can have control, take four steps, it’s still not a catch
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 18, 2017, 9:57 AM EST


Maybe some day the NFL will have a catch rule that the fans can understand. But that day has not yet come.

The most recent example of that came in last week’s Seahawks-Cardinals game, when Cardinals running back Andre Ellington grabbed a pass, took multiple steps, went to the ground and dropped the ball. On the field, that was ruled a catch and a fumble.

But on instant replay, the ruling was reversed to an incomplete pass. In the league’s weekly officiating video, NFL V.P. of Officiating Al Riveron explained why he reversed it, and said it doesn’t matter how many steps a receiver takes with control of the ball: If he’s going to the ground while he’s taking all those steps, he needs to maintain control when he hits the ground.

“We see the receiver control the football and then immediately, just prior to him turning, he starts to go to the ground,” Riveron said. “Control, he’s now going to the ground, two, three, maybe even four feet down. But he’s going to the ground. If in the process of completing the catch, the receiver is going to the ground, whether he’s going to the ground on his own or whether he’s touched by another player, he must maintain control of the football upon his initial contact with the ground. And as we see here, the minute he hits the ground the ball comes loose. Therefore it’s an incomplete pass.”

That won’t satisfy everyone. But it’s the answer the NFL is sticking to.
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How bizarre? And what is Al Riverton thinking? What is his background?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
These rulings are getting more and more bizarre. And still no one has explained to me to any satisfaction how Savage's hand going forward when he lost the ball in the last game was not considered an incomplete pass rather than a fumble.
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NFL: A receiver going to the ground can have control, take four steps, it’s still not a catch
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 18, 2017, 9:57 AM EST


Maybe some day the NFL will have a catch rule that the fans can understand. But that day has not yet come.

The most recent example of that came in last week’s Seahawks-Cardinals game, when Cardinals running back Andre Ellington grabbed a pass, took multiple steps, went to the ground and dropped the ball. On the field, that was ruled a catch and a fumble.

But on instant replay, the ruling was reversed to an incomplete pass. In the league’s weekly officiating video, NFL V.P. of Officiating Al Riveron explained why he reversed it, and said it doesn’t matter how many steps a receiver takes with control of the ball: If he’s going to the ground while he’s taking all those steps, he needs to maintain control when he hits the ground.

“We see the receiver control the football and then immediately, just prior to him turning, he starts to go to the ground,” Riveron said. “Control, he’s now going to the ground, two, three, maybe even four feet down. But he’s going to the ground. If in the process of completing the catch, the receiver is going to the ground, whether he’s going to the ground on his own or whether he’s touched by another player, he must maintain control of the football upon his initial contact with the ground. And as we see here, the minute he hits the ground the ball comes loose. Therefore it’s an incomplete pass.”

That won’t satisfy everyone. But it’s the answer the NFL is sticking to.
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I don't get it. His first statement was, "we see the receiver control the football..." someone explain why establishing control of the ball does not define, and complete, the catch part of this 'football action'.

The suits are screwing up this game.

...and they wonder why people are finding other things to watch.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
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Love it.

Jerrah has mde the NFL more $$$$ than God'ell ever has or will. You see the way the NFL is trending and they are going to lose even more $$$$ under God'ell's leadership, or lack there of in the next 5 yrs. Throw in the Zeke suspension and you can look for quite a long drawn out fight.

Jerrah has fought even tougher fights than this in his business life and although I think he's going to lose this fight I wouldn't bet against him. I'm personally loving watching an owner buck the other owners like Al Davis used to do and make God'ell squirm. 50 million a yr and a private plane for God'ell.

This ill will goes back to the collusion case.
 
PapaL said:
Raiders are extremely overhyped. Supposed great OL, superstar QB, and Mack running wild on defense. They sure do suck playing a 1st place schedule.
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Their schedule so far this year is rated lower (.460) than their 2016 schedule (.504).

'1st place schedule' is really in name only until things start to unfold.
 
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