Dav wasn’t that bad when OB wasn’t bouncing him to different spots on the OL imho. At some point the OL needs continuity to get better.
Dav was excruciatingly bad at Rt...which was no surprise
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Dav wasn’t that bad when OB wasn’t bouncing him to different spots on the OL imho. At some point the OL needs continuity to get better.
True, but I’d be just as happy if a good CB was there for the taking once we’re in the clock, as the entire world knows we need at least two good CBs. Of we reach for Offensive Tackles (which probably won’t pan out until year 2 anyway) out of desperation, we will continue to get torched in those close games we couldn’t close out.I don't think you will ever see a fan base as excited to see a first round OL taken, then if the Texans grab one this year
Dav was excruciatingly bad at Rt...which was no surprise
It was a surprise to OBrien somehow
True, but I’d be just as happy if a good CB was there for the taking once we’re in the clock, as the entire world knows we need at least two good CBs. Of we reach for Offensive Tackles (which probably won’t pan out until year 2 anyway) out of desperation, we will continue to get torched in those close games we couldn’t close out.
I'll be excited for either, but they need to address both of those in FA so they aren't put into a corner come draft time
Exactly,
It's probably going to cost 15 mil per year over 5 years for a 25 year old Trent Brown. You in? I am
There was a snide remark in that article that kinda/sorta addressed this....Dav wasn’t that bad when OB wasn’t bouncing him to different spots on the OL imho. At some point the OL needs continuity to get better.
maybe it's just me but I thought the bolded was a swipe at O'Brien's lack of scheme consistency. Something more than a few of us aren't real happy withHouston could pay big for a left guard though. Rodger Saffold is a perfect outside zone blocker, and was spectacular at splattering inside linebackers. Ramon Foster is a big strong power running mauler, and a voracious puller. It really depends on what run scheme Houston decides to use. It changes every year, it changes midseason, it changes all the time. Also, Kelechi Osemeleis a potential cut in Oakland, and Ronald Leary is a potential cut in Denver. Oakland would save $10.5 million and Denver would save $7.5 million by releasing them. One is rebuilding, and the other is holding on. The scheme would depend on where I’d spend this money. Kelemete and Greg Mancz would be fine depth players. Let’s assume $9 million a year for either Saffold, Foster, Leary, or even Osemele, who’d probably go for more.
Exactly,
It's probably going to cost 15 mil per year over 5 years for a 25 year old Trent Brown. You in? I am
There was a snide remark in that article that kinda/sorta addressed this....
maybe it's just me but I thought the bolded was a swipe at O'Brien's lack of scheme consistency. Something more than a few of us aren't real happy with
And maybe he he was just hoping for the best because other options sucked
Not you...when a team runs a highly varied offense and it does not work, it looks like a confused, non-scheme...if that scheme (ever) works it will appear to be an offense that keeps the defense off balance and adjusts to anything that is thrown at it.
Oddly, a competent line makes most offenses look better.
Sadly, there can’t be a competent line with an incompetent line coach. I’m sure Gaine is well aware that Devlin is not who he pretends to be, and hopefully acts accordingly or HIS ass may end up being canned, which would suck cause if his first draft is any indication of things to come, Cal and whoever emse runs the FO would be fools to send him packing.Oddly, a competent line makes most offenses look better.
Decent oline coach and OC are high on my list of offseason upgrades.Sadly, there can’t be a competent line with an incompetent line coach. I’m sure Gaine is well aware that Devlin is not who he pretends to be, and hopefully acts accordingly or HIS ass may end up being canned, which would suck cause if his first draft is any indication of things to come, Cal and whoever emse runs the FO would be fools to send him packing.
Gaine has no say over the coaching staff. That's all on OB and he likes Devlin.Sadly, there can’t be a competent line with an incompetent line coach. I’m sure Gaine is well aware that Devlin is not who he pretends to be, and hopefully acts accordingly or HIS ass may end up being canned, which would suck cause if his first draft is any indication of things to come, Cal and whoever emse runs the FO would be fools to send him packing.
Gaine has no say over the coaching staff. That's all on OB and he likes Devlin.
I agree with that, but OB isn't Gaine's guy, Gaine is OB's guy. I 100% wish Devlin would get replaced, but I don't see it happening.GMs have been known to tell HCs to get another X coach. But your right that is the general line. IIRC Munchak was told to get rid of a couple coaches or his job was on the line.
The lets sign a bunch of cheap backups plan went as expected. Can we now say it didn't work for all of you lets give them a chance posters?
Dav wasn’t that bad when OB wasn’t bouncing him to different spots on the OL imho. At some point the OL needs continuity to get better.
Well it also didn't work for the Giants who spent a arm and a leg on the guy you wanted to sign.. so there's that too.
Some people think Rome was built in a day. They want immediate gratification.
Well it also didn't work for the Giants who spent a arm and a leg on the guy you wanted to sign.. so there's that too.
Solder had a poor start but came on strong by the season's end. Seems unfair to blame him for the ineptitude of 4 other guys, eli, or the scheme.
Is he better then dav? I think you know the answer.
That doesn't fit the narrative around these parts.
That doesn't fit the narrative around these parts.
Believe it or not Solder was playing pretty well by the end of the yr.
Watch and see what the NYG's OL looks like next yr after they add a RT/RG in the draft. Which they are going to do.
[Another player that the Giants appear to have swung and missed on is left tackle Nate Solder. In March, general manager Dave Gettleman overpaid for the former New England Patriot (four years, $62 million) and must live with that contract unless he finds a taker on the open market. That’s unlikely to happen until the 2020 season. Solder’s contract is heavily front-loaded. His 2019 cap hit is $17 million, but his dead-money charge makes him basically unmovable until the end of next season. He won’t be a “one-and-done” player with the Giants. They can’t afford to cut him while his dead-money figure is so high. That doesn’t mean the Giants have to keep him at left tackle, however. They can do themselves — and Solder — a huge favor by finding another left tackle this offseason and flip the underachieving Solder over the right side.
Solder had a poor start but came on strong by the season's end. Seems unfair to blame him for the ineptitude of 4 other guys, eli, or the scheme.
Is he better then dav? I think you know the answer.
Don't exaggerate. Even at the end of the year Solder was disppointing for his contract. Of course he was better than Davenport. Doesn't mean it would have been money well spent.
I would really love to see evidence of this great improvement.. also Solder wasn't the anchor of that line.. he was the weak link. Every Giants game I saw, people were able to put him on skates.
For sake of argument though, let's say he did improve.. did He improve enough to warrant that contract? Because he certainly still isn't a top LT in this league.
He was a top lt 2 years ago (see his contract- thanks.)
He was a top lt 2 years ago (see his contract- thanks.) Potentially, he had a right leg injury early in camp which harrassed him throughout the early portion of the season.
Again, is he better then dav? Hell yes.
Wtf is the point of having cap space if you dont use it? Where there better options last offseason? Nope.
If we pay a bit extra to keep this offense functional and Watson upright I'm on board.
Not even close. He was just the best FA. In 8 years he has never made a probowl despite being on a perineal playoff team. He's a yeoman getting paid like an all pro.
Pro bowls are your measuring stick? Gtf out.
Was he the best option last year? Yes.
Would he have crippled us from a cap standpoint? No.
Is he still better then most of the options available this year? Its early but I think so.
You guys are playing some ridiculous hindsight game. I dont fault anyone for thinking we shouldve got him. Even at his worst he was an upgrade over what we put on the field.
Pro bowls are your measuring stick? Gtf out.
Was he the best option last year? Yes.
Would he have crippled us from a cap standpoint? No.
Is he still better then most of the options available this year? Its early but I think so.
You guys are playing some ridiculous hindsight game. I dont fault anyone for thinking we shouldve got him. Even at his worst he was an upgrade over what we put on the field.
What a really want the team to do is draft young cornerstone pieces to the line. However then we'll have to then develop those players and that's where I become upset, because I feel like Devlin doesn't even have the ability to develop high school talent and I think he's the crappiest Oline coach in the NFL.. So I don't expect much to change until we finally can him.
How is it hindsight when I was on the record and dead set against signing him before he even took the field for NY?
Solder had a poor start but came on strong by the season's end. Seems unfair to blame him for the ineptitude of 4 other guys, eli, or the scheme.
Is he better then dav? I think you know the answer.
If it were easy everyone would do it. Why bother with free agency?
Your fascination with Devlin should not preclude adding talent. We're stuck with him for now but it doesn't stop us (or shouldn't) from adding talent.
If it were easy everyone would do it. Why bother with free agency?
Your fascination with Devlin should not preclude adding talent. We're stuck with him for now but it doesn't stop us (or shouldn't) from adding talent.
We don't know what Davenport is yet. I know there are some who believe he's done & he may very well be.
But there looked like a lot more confusion on the line to me than anything. I personally feel the RT & Center struggled more than Davenport. Doesn't mean I think Davenport is good, but I'd like to see at least Center addressed more so than LT.
If Martin is our starting Center week 1, we're still going to have problems running the ball & protecting our QB. Regardless what we do at LT.
Didn't you just argue he didn't have the best season?
Checkmate.
He didn't.. however that has jack crap to do with "hindsight" when I didn't want him before that. Simply saying he had a bad season isn't hindsight for me, it's simply stating the truth about his play last season and a affirmation on my original fears.
Pro bowls are your measuring stick? Gtf out.
Was he the best option last year? Yes.
Would he have crippled us from a cap standpoint? No.
Is he still better then most of the options available this year? Its early but I think so.
You guys are playing some ridiculous hindsight game. I dont fault anyone for thinking we shouldve got him. Even at his worst he was an upgrade over what we put on the field.
Amen
You would think posters around here want to hold on to cap space like it's their $$$$. This fanbase has been brainwashed by the incompetence of the past regime.
Let's make this simple.
Did he play better then our offensive linemen?
Let's make this simple.
Did he play better then our offensive linemen?
Bullcrap.. fact is YOU DON'T OVERPAY for mediocre talent out of utter desperation. That's just good damn business.. The other way is how you end up with the Robaire Smith's, Todd Wade's, Ed Reed's, and Brock Osweiler's of the FA world (Nate Solder would've just been yet another name on the list. THAT is what the "incompetence of past regimes" have taught me.