All encompassing Rick Smith thread

[paycheck71]

I wasn't talking about the Ravens, I was talking about the Texans, stay pertinent to the conversation.

The Texans and their cap situation don't exist in a vacuum. Their situation can only be properly assessed in comparison with the rest of the league.

 

[DBCooper]

It has become a definite pattern of behavior. After 13 years, McNair has .423 winning percentage and (3) #1 picks in the NFL Draft. There is nothing to indicate any change in behavior. If anything expect more of the same. After all the transactions in 2015, so far, cutting Andre Johnson and Chris Myers will be a BIG step back for the 2015 Houston Texans. Your recent observation is now seeing the reality of this ongoing saga. No reason not to expect 7-9 in 2015.

Easy schedule, yeah that was it.

So, we've taken steps backwards and you've increased your prediction from the year before.

How the hell does that work? Another easy schedule?

And you do realize it's march, right?

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

I was just thinking back over the history of the franchise. Just venting.

I think one of my biggest gripes is how slow we've been to address issues. Not getting out ahead of things. Very reactionary and waiting until it goes to ****.





I'm really hoping OB is that dude

 

[Texian]

Easy schedule, yeah that was it.

So, we've taken steps backwards and you've increased your prediction from the year before.

How the hell does that work? Another easy schedule?

And you do realize it's march, right?

And after 13 Marchs the score remains .423 and is likely to change very little change after the next upcoming season or two.

 

[DBCooper]

And after 13 Marchs the score remains .423 and is likely to change very little change after the next upcoming season or two.

Your math is correct.

 

[Thorn]

So, after all this time, we still haven't made up our collective minds on Rick Smith yet. If he survives a 2nd year with O'Brian (or however you spell his fricking name) then he's probably going to be here even longer.

I'm still not totally sure what to think of him. Sometimes you just gotta love his moves, at other times you'd like to empty a shotgun into his face. LOL

 

[houstonspartan]

So, after all this time, we still haven't made up our collective minds on Rick Smith yet. If he survives a 2nd year with O'Brian (or however you spell his fricking name) then he's probably going to be here even longer.

I'm still not totally sure what to think of him. Sometimes you just gotta love his moves, at other times you'd like to empty a shotgun into his face. LOL

I understand what you're saying.

He seems to be really good at wheeling-and-dealing, and doing deals and negotiating, but really terrible at drafting.

But, here's the rub: he almost HAS to be good at wheeling-and-dealing in free agency, because his drafts have been so bad.

It's kind of like the Patriots: They get all this credit for being really good at making deals, but, they have to be that way, because their drafts have been bad. Belichek is a great coach, no doubt, but he's a terrible GM.

Bad drafts have caught up to this team. Were our past bad drafts solely due to Kubaik? That remains to be seen. But, I don't think Smith was the innocent victim in any of those drafts.

I'm hoping that Smith and Gaine will have split duties, with Smith doing free agency and contracts, and Gaine having a larger say in scouting and the draft board.

 

[Texian]

So, after all this time, we still haven't made up our collective minds on Rick Smith yet. If he survives a 2nd year with O'Brian (or however you spell his fricking name) then he's probably going to be here even longer.

I'm still not totally sure what to think of him. Sometimes you just gotta love his moves, at other times you'd like to empty a shotgun into his face. LOL

Rick is there to do what McNair and the Head Coach need for him to do. In addition Rick is also responsible for overseeing the pro and college scouting departments. Along with organizing and operating the draft. That doesn't mean that Rick is making the draft picks. It means he orchestrates the draft from a standpoint that if McNair/O'Brien say trade down or move up Rick makes it happen. If O'Brien says he wants to target Nix with the next pick in the next round, Rick advises they may have to move up to get Nix. If O'Brien says do it, Rick makes it happen. If McNair/O'Brien say draft Clowney with the first pick, Rick makes happen. The only area where Rick Smith can really be held accountable and responsible is the performance of the scouting departments. And in my mind, for that, Rick gets a C- or a D grade. So in essence Rick is not directly making any decisions where he can be held accountable. Therefore don't look for Rick Smith to be going anywhere soon.

It appears that many coaches are intent on bringing in a bunch of retreads that they have coached before. I don't understand how folks want to give Smith credit for that other than O'Brien telling Rick to get them signed and Rick got them signed. I never thought coaches bringing in 2nd hand players they have coached before was much of a recipe for success. Ii more often than not turns out to be just some more of the same.

 

[houstonspartan]

I was just thinking back over the history of the franchise. Just venting.

I think one of my biggest gripes is how slow we've been to address issues. Not getting out ahead of things. Very reactionary and waiting until it goes to ****.





I'm really hoping OB is that dude

I think changing OLINE coaches after one year says a lot about O'Brien's thinking. He didn't like what he saw, so he switched coaches. Simple as that.

Yes, historically, this franchise moved slow as molasses, and appeared to ignore problems until its too late. But, that appears to be over.

(For the most part. They STILL need to address the field at Reliant before one of our superstars goes down...)

 

[houstonspartan]

Rick is there to do what McNair and the Head Coach need for him to do. In addition Rick is also responsible for overseeing the pro and college scouting departments. Along with organizing and operating the draft. That doesn't mean that Rick is making the draft picks. It means he orchestrates the draft from a standpoint that if McNair/O'Brien say trade down or move up Rick makes it happen. If O'Brien says he wants to target Nix with the next pick in the next round, Rick advises they may have to move up to get Nix. If O'Brien says do it, Rick makes it happen. If McNair/O'Brien say draft Clowney with the first pick, Rick makes happen. The only area where Rick Smith can really be held accountable and responsible is the performance of the scouting departments. And in my mind, for that, Rick gets a C- or a D grade. So in essence Rick is not directly making any decisions where he can be held accountable.

It appears that many coaches are intent on bringing in a bunch of retreads that they have coached before. I don't understand how folks want o give Smith credit for that other than O'Brien told Rick to get them signed and Rick got them signed. I never thought coaches bringing in 2nd hand players thay have coached before was much of a recipe for success. Ii more often than not turns out to be just some more of the same.

Fair comment, and a legit concern. I was just telling someone earlier today how ridiculus it was that Denver just signed...wait for it...Owen Daniels. And to a decent-sized contract, at that! I have no ill will for OD, but, the guy was looking broken down even when he was here, and he didn't look all that spectacular in Baltimore, in my opinion.

But, yet, Kubiak just HAD to have his man. Just like he just HAD to put together his ENTIRE (failed) coaching staff from the Texans.

So, yeah, i see your point about O'Brien. I'm hoping that he's smarter, and has a better handle on coaching people he's coaching before.

 

[Texian]

Fair comment, and a legit concern. I was just telling someone earlier today how ridiculus it was that Denver just signed...wait for it...Owen Daniels. And to a decent-sized contract, at that! I have no ill will for OD, but, the guy was looking broken down even when he was here, and he didn't look all that spectacular in Baltimore, in my opinion.

But, yet, Kubiak just HAD to have his man. Just like he just HAD to put together his ENTIRE (failed) coaching staff from the Texans.

So, yeah, i see your point about O'Brien. I'm hoping that he's smarter, and has a better handle on coaching people he's coaching before.

Also Denver has just lost Julius Thomas and he needed to be replaced. One thing we don't know is how good Daniels can be with Manning throwing to him. Can he be be Manning's Dwight Clark. And we don't know good Andre can be with Luck throwing to him either. I'm going with the over. I won't hesitate to take Daniels or Andre in my fantasy league (because of their QBs).

 

[JB]

Also Denver has just lost Julius Thomas and he needed to be replaced. One thing we don't know is how good Daniels can be with Manning throwing to him. Can he be be Manning's Dwight Clark. And we don't know good Andre can be with Luck throwing to him either. I'm going with the over.

With AJ playing all home games on concrete instead of grass, I'll go with the under...

 

[Texian]

With AJ playing all home games on concrete instead of grass, I'll go with the under...

of course you will, forget about the fact that he's playing with the best QB in the game and playing on a better field than he was accustomed to. Marvin Harris and Reggie Wayne apparently don't agree with your assessment of the concrete.

 

[JB]

of course you will, forget about the fact that he's playing with the best QB in the game and playing on a better field than he was accustomed to. Marvin Harris and Reggie Wayne apparently don't agree with your assessment of the concrete.

all your statements above are debateable, but I was just trying to lighten things up some. If AJ has a career year I'm happy for him (as long as the Colts still lose to the Texans). I'm sure you don't like fun and detest humor, so carry on

 

[thunderkyss]

It appears that many coaches are intent on bringing in a bunch of retreads that they have coached before. I don't understand how folks want to give Smith credit for that other than O'Brien telling Rick to get them signed and Rick got them signed. I never thought coaches bringing in 2nd hand players they have coached before was much of a recipe for success. Ii more often than not turns out to be just some more of the same.

I don't think anyone gives Smith any undo credit for bringing in guys previously coached by our new coaches. He gets credit for signing them to good deals & we're usually hoping for more of the same, when generally coaches bring players they thought of as successful.

For instance, OD is in Denver, Jacoby is not. & I don't know what Daniel's numbers were, but the few games I watched, he was a difference maker.

 

[steelbtexan]

I understand what you're saying.

He seems to be really good at wheeling-and-dealing, and doing deals and negotiating, but really terrible at drafting.

But, here's the rub: he almost HAS to be good at wheeling-and-dealing in free agency, because his drafts have been so bad.

It's kind of like the Patriots: They get all this credit for being really good at making deals, but, they have to be that way, because their drafts have been bad. Belichek is a great coach, no doubt, but he's a terrible GM.

Bad drafts have caught up to this team. Were our past bad drafts solely due to Kubaik? That remains to be seen. But, I don't think Smith was the innocent victim in any of those drafts.

I'm hoping that Smith and Gaine will have split duties, with Smith doing free agency and contracts, and Gaine having a larger say in scouting and the draft board.

^^^^
This

Gaine would be a great improvement in the waroom. Hopefully the McNairs are busy cleaning the horse stables and Smith is locked in a bathroom from April 30th- May 2nd.

 

[TheRealJoker]

of course you will, forget about the fact that he's playing with the best QB in the game and playing on a better field than he was accustomed to. Marvin Harris and Reggie Wayne apparently don't agree with your assessment of the concrete.

Aaron Rodgers?

 

[Marshall]

Also Denver has just lost Julius Thomas and he needed to be replaced. One thing we don't know is how good Daniels can be with Manning throwing to him. Can he be be Manning's Dwight Clark. And we don't know good Andre can be with Luck throwing to him either. I'm going with the over. I won't hesitate to take Daniels or Andre in my fantasy league (because of their QBs).

Would you mind showing us YOUR Fantasy League results sometime?

 

[michaelm]

I think changing OLINE coaches after one year says a lot about O'Brien's thinking. He didn't like what he saw, so he switched coaches. Simple as that.

I think it says that he missed on his top 3-4 candidates for OL coach and had to settle for one, and then replaced him as soon as a better option came along.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Would you mind showing us YOUR Fantasy League results sometime?

He's not exactly breaking hot news there . Besides I bet AJ's number of catches and yards go down . He's not what he used to be and he won't be targeted every pass like the old days .

 

[infantrycak]

I think it says that he missed on his top 3-4 candidates for OL coach and had to settle for one, and then replaced him as soon as a better option came along.

That's exactly it.

Kubiak did that bringing in his 1st choice (Bush) to strengthen and then take over from his backup choice (Smith). Problem was they both sucked.

He's not exactly breaking hot news there . Besides I bet AJ's number of catches and yards go down . He's not what he used to be and he won't be targeted every pass like the old days .

I'll take the over on that. The Colts had 50% more passing than the Texans and AJ is taking over for Wayne and Nicks who had 184 targets.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

That's exactly it.

Kubiak did that bringing in his 1st choice (Bush) to strengthen and then take over from his backup choice (Smith). Problem was they both sucked.

That told me a bunch about Kubiak . To me , he didn't know what a good DC was or a good DC wasn't coming here to coach under him .

 

[infantrycak]

That told me a bunch about Kubiak . To me , he didn't know what a good DC was or a good DC wasn't coming here to coach under him .

The offseason he hired Smith the DC market really sucked so as horrible as Smith was that was kind of forgivable. But going to Bush afterward was a major mistake, I'd say biggest of his tenure.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

The offseason he hired Smith the DC market really sucked so as horrible as Smith was that was kind of forgivable. But going to Bush afterward was a major mistake, I'd say biggest of his tenure.

Hopefully Bill isn't nearly as patient as Kubiak or Mcnair .

 

[EllisUnit]

Hopefully Bill isn't nearly as patient as Kubiak or Mcnair .

"Obviously not" Says AJ

 

[steelbtexan]

The offseason he hired Smith the DC market really sucked so as horrible as Smith was that was kind of forgivable. But going to Bush afterward was a major mistake, I'd say biggest of his tenure.

I would have to say keeping Marciano around = Bush.

Not knowing Schaub was going to fall off of a cliff although the warning signs were there (Thanks CND) was a mistake that set the franchise back the furthest.
A cynic would say hiring Kubiak in the 1st place was McNair's biggest mistake and is the gift that keeps on giving in the ineptitude that is Rick Smith. (Not that I'm saying that)

 

[infantrycak]

I would have to say keeping Marciano around = Bush.

Not knowing Schaub was going to fall off of a cliff although the warning signs were there (Thanks CND) was a mistake that set the franchise back the furthest.

I don't think either of those is even close. I'll write off 2006 as a forced Carr experiment but we wasted 4 good years of Schaub before getting a D. Even without assuming any personnel changes I'd bet a good DC would have had 1-2 game improvements in that time period meaning the 2011-2 teams would have been rolling with playoff experience.

 

[Double Barrel]

It's kind of like the Patriots: They get all this credit for being really good at making deals, but, they have to be that way, because their drafts have been bad. Belichek is a great coach, no doubt, but he's a terrible GM.

How did you arrive at this conclusion?

Based on Super Bowl starters, I'd say the Patriots have been pretty solid with their drafts. Here are their starters in the recent Super Bowl that they either drafted or picked up as UFA:

Offense

QB Tom Brady
College: Michigan
Draft status: 6th round, 2000

RB Shane Vereen
College: California
Draft status: 2nd round, 2011

WR Julian Edelman
College: Kent State
Draft status: 7th round, 2009 (college QB)

TE Rob Gronkowski
College: Arizona
Draft status: 2nd round, 2010

LT Nate Solder
College: Colorado
Draft status: 1st round (17th overall), 2011

C Bryan Stork
College: Florida State
Draft status: 4th round, 2014

RG Ryan Wendell
College: Fresno State
Draft status: Signed as undrafted free agent by New England in 2008

RT Sebastian Vollmer
College: Houston
Draft status: 2nd round, 2009

Defense

DT Vince Wilfork
College: Miami
Draft status: 1st round (21st overall), 2004

DE Chandler Jones
College: Syracuse
Draft status: 1st round (21st overall), 2012

LB Jamie Collins
College: Southern Miss
Draft status: 2nd round, 2013

LB Dont'a Hightower
College: Alabama
Draft status: 1st round (25th overall), 2012

S Patrick Chung
College: Oregon
Draft status: 2nd round, 2009

S Devin McCourty
College: Rutgers
Draft status: 1st round (27th overall), 2010

Specialists

K Stephen Gostkowski
College: Memphis
Draft status: 4th round, 2006

P Ryan Allen
College: Louisiana Tech
Draft status: Signed by New England as undrafted free agent in 2013

That's 14 out of 22 starters (8 out of 11 on offense alone), plus a kicker and punter. I guess I'm just not following how bad the Patriots are at drafting when they win a championship that only has 8 starting players picked up as free agents drafted by other teams.

The offseason he hired Smith the DC market really sucked so as horrible as Smith was that was kind of forgivable. But going to Bush afterward was a major mistake, I'd say biggest of his tenure.

Agree completely about Bush. Kubiak wasted his two best offensive seasons with garbage defenses. By the time the Texans had a good defense, his QB was starting to get hurt and lose his mojo.

 

[steelbtexan]

I don't think either of those is even close. I'll write off 2006 as a forced Carr experiment but we wasted 4 good years of Schaub before getting a D. Even without assuming any personnel changes I'd bet a good DC would have had 1-2 game improvements in that time period meaning the 2011-2 teams would have been rolling with playoff experience.

Makes perfect sense now that I think about it.

 

[thunderkyss]

The offseason he hired Smith the DC market really sucked so as horrible as Smith was that was kind of forgivable. But going to Bush afterward was a major mistake, I'd say biggest of his tenure.

I still don't now what to think about that. The first year that Bush was "the man" that defense made really good strides. I don't remember, but I think they were top 10 total defense & just outside the top ten in points.

We had every reason to believe the defense would get better in 2010. Maybe I was alone in that, idk...

 

[ObsiWan]

What was your prediction for 2014.

Sure I am pissed about cutting AJ and Myers, BUT we can upgrade the WR spot still in FA, and in the draft.

I right now am liking how this team is being managed.

I'm sorry, I didn't see any potential Hall of Fame WRs in the F/A listings. Who do you have in mind?

 

[ObsiWan]

How did you arrive at this conclusion?

Based on Super Bowl starters, I'd say the Patriots have been pretty solid with their drafts. Here are their starters in the recent Super Bowl that they either drafted or picked up as UFA:

Offense

QB Tom Brady
College: Michigan
Draft status: 6th round, 2000

RB Shane Vereen
College: California
Draft status: 2nd round, 2011
...

That's 14 out of 22 starters (8 out of 11 on offense alone), plus a kicker and punter. I guess I'm just not following how bad the Patriots are at drafting when they win a championship that only has 8 starting players picked up as free agents drafted by other teams.

Interesting... especially the yearly distribution.
2000 -- Brady
2001 -- Nada
2002 -- Nada
2003 -- Nada
2004 -- DT Vince Wilfork
2005 -- Nada
2006 -- K Stephen Gostkowski
2007 -- Nada
2008 -- RG Ryan Wendell
2009 -- WR Julian Edelman; RT Sebastian Vollmer; S Patrick Chung
2010 -- TE Rob Gronkowski; S Devin McCourty
2011 -- RB Shane Vereen; LT Nate Solder
2012 -- DE Chandler Jones; LB Dont'a Hightower
2013 -- LB Jamie Collins; P Ryan Allen
2014 -- C Bryan Stork

I suppose if you look at any single year by it's lonesome, it doesn't really look like the Pats ever make draft big hauls (compared to our 2006 haul for example). But they keep adding/replacing key pieces all the time.

And then there's the Brady factor. How well would these other pieces function if Tom Terrific waaaas, oh I dunno...
this guy
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[ObsiWan]

So, after all this time, we still haven't made up our collective minds on Rick Smith yet. If he survives a 2nd year with O'Brian (or however you spell his fricking name) then he's probably going to be here even longer.

I'm still not totally sure what to think of him. Sometimes you just gotta love his moves, at other times you'd like to empty a shotgun into his face. LOL

See this is why you and I get along (aside from both of us being members of the old farts club)

 

[Playoffs]

Moving this here... more appropriate topic:

I wonder if it was Smith's idea to extend Schaub?

I'd bet Schaub's agent opened that can.

I wonder what kind of medical advice he was given regarding Schaub's lisfranc? I suspect had Dr CND been there instead of the guy who paid to be the team physician different options would have been considered.

Wait... What??
the guy is paying the Texans to be on staff??
I don't understand. Explain please.

It's good for business: http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...pro_football_s_medical_sponsorship_deals.html

But not necessarily for players. It's one reason why players insisted on being able to get second opinions that the team is required to fund, something they didn't have before 2011(!).

Team physicians promote themselves as such, have regular articles featuring them, get to "hang out" with superstars, etc. Their office walls are populated with autographed "Thanks, Doc" player pictures and of them with players in social settings...

But it sure as heck isn't the way to obtain the best medical care for players. Not by a long shot. I can guaran-damn-tee you we'd see different outcomes and front office decisions if someone like Dr. CND was a consulting physician.

 

[ObsiWan]

Moving this here... more appropriate topic:

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It's good for business: http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...pro_football_s_medical_sponsorship_deals.html

But not necessarily for players. It's one reason why players insisted on being able to get second opinions that the team is required to fund, something they didn't have before 2011(!).

Team physicians promote themselves as such, have regular articles featuring them, get to "hang out" with superstars, etc. Their office walls are populated with autographed "Thanks, Doc" player pictures and of them with players in social settings...

But it sure as heck isn't the way to obtain the best medical care for players. Not by a long shot. I can guaran-damn-tee you we'd see different outcomes and front office decisions if someone like Dr. CND was a consulting physician.

That article is sickening (no pun intended). Now I know why the diagnoses are sometimes so far off.

 

[HOU-TEX]

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

The whole kubiak era was mired in a lack of urgency imo. Every season is a new one. Guys regress, other people get better.

I thought kubiak should have drafted a qb in at least the third round at some point. Matt was better than David but he was still never an elite player. He put up elite numbers at times but he was not elite. He was good in that system for a few years though.

Under kubiak this team was slow to react. **** had to hit them right in the face and be so pungent that they could no longer ignore it before they even began to explore other avenues.

You can't just expect to be better next year. Like watt says success isn't owned it's rented and everyday rent is due.

Maybe their best season they got slaughtered by Green Bay and New England twice. They were pretenders. They were always pretenders.

Hopefully McNair is done with the putt-putting around and is ready to cut some nuts with a smile because if these scrap heap qb' don't work out they'll be wasting another dominant players career.

Nfl is too open these days to not have a qb.

 

[JB]

The whole kubiak era was mired in a lack of urgency imo. Every season is a new one. Guys regress, other people get better.

I thought kubiak should have drafted a qb in at least the third round at some point. Matt was better than David but he was still never an elite player. He put up elite numbers at times but he was not elite. He was good in that system for a few years though.

Under kubiak this team was slow to react. **** had to hit them right in the face and be so pungent that they could no longer ignore it before they even began to explore other avenues.

You can't just expect to be better next year. Like watt says success isn't owned it's rented and everyday rent is due.

Maybe their best season they got slaughtered by Green Bay and New England twice. They were pretenders. They were always pretenders.

Hopefully McNair is done with the putt-putting around and is ready to cut some nuts with a smile because if these scrap heap qb' don't work out they'll be wasting another dominant players career.

Nfl is too open these days to not have a qb.

After spending 2 2nds on Schaub and with him playing at a high level, Kubiak and Smith would have been crucified on this board if he had spent a 3rd or higher on a qb, unless it was a sure fire lock to be an elite one. How many of those were drafted between 2006-13?

 

[infantrycak]

After spending 2 2nds on Schaub and with him playing at a high level, Kubiak and Smith would have been crucified on this board if he had spent a 3rd or higher on a qb, unless it was a sure fire lock to be an elite one. How many of those were drafted between 2006-13?

He got plenty of flack as not good enough to get us there, not clutch, etc. But certainly a pick in 2012 would have been defensible/a good idea. Russell Wilson and Nick Foles went in the 3rd, Cousins in the 4th.

 

[JB]

He got plenty of flack as not good enough to get us there, not clutch, etc. But certainly a pick in 2012 would have been defensible/a good idea. Russell Wilson and Nick Foles went in the 3rd, Cousins in the 4th.

That would have been a good year to take one as Schaub was coming off injury, but had been playing very well before that and was expected to make a full return.

Also, Yates was coming off a decent season and didn't look bad in the post season until the Balt game

 

[ObsiWan]

After spending 2 2nds on Schaub and with him playing at a high level, Kubiak and Smith would have been crucified on this board if he had spent a 3rd or higher on a qb, unless it was a sure fire lock to be an elite one. How many of those were drafted between 2006-13?

They should have spent a third on Schaub's replacement by 2012. Schaub had suffered a season-ending injury and there was no assurance he would ever be the same so from an "insurance" viewpoint, Smithiak should have targeted a higher quality backup than T.J. Yates.

 

[dalemurphy]

I'm sorry, I didn't see any potential Hall of Fame WRs in the F/A listings. Who do you have in mind?

Who do you have in mind? How about Jerry Rice! If you are looking for HOF careers, i would start there. I am not sure how Jerry Rice's greatness 20 years ago or AJ's greatness 3-5 years ago, has anything to do with the future at WR.

 

[ObsiWan]

To be honest, I thought we had our quality backup when Leinart was here. Heismann winner, former starter with AZ, seemed to understand the offense. But when called on, he lasted less than one half of football.

 

[infantrycak]

That would have been a good year to take one as Schaub was coming off injury, but had been playing very well before that and was expected to make a full return.

One thing I would like the Texans to copy Belichick on is backup QB. Pick a good one even into the 3rd or 2nd round, ride out his contract or if the demand is there trade him with one year left, repeat. None of this taking a late flyer on QB every year and a train of failed vets.

Also, Yates was coming off a decent season and didn't look bad in the post season until the Balt game

I never liked Yates, but I get your point.

 

[Playoffs]

One thing I would like the Texans to copy Belichick on is backup QB. Pick a good one even into the 3rd or 2nd round, ride out his contract or if the demand is there trade him with one year left, repeat.

Once we get a #1 I'd bet that will be our process.

 

[JB]

One thing I would like the Texans to copy Belichick on is backup QB. Pick a good one even into the 3rd or 2nd round, ride out his contract or if the demand is there trade him with one year left, repeat. None of this taking a late flyer on QB every year and a train of failed vets.



I never liked Yates, but I get your point.

Once we get a #1 I'd bet that will be our process.

Agreed

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

After spending 2 2nds on Schaub and with him playing at a high level, Kubiak and Smith would have been crucified on this board if he had spent a 3rd or higher on a qb, unless it was a sure fire lock to be an elite one. How many of those were drafted between 2006-13?

Nah. They would t have been crucified. Shaub took a lot of heat. And I just get this vibe that he's a real good guy so I actually feel bad for him with some of the rumored treatment he got.

There wouldn't have been anything wrong with taking a just in case guy/a guy that you could flip for picks if Shaub didn't inplode. Teams do that. Even teams with elite qbs will do that.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

They should have spent a third on Schaub's replacement by 2012. Schaub had suffered a season-ending injury and there was no assurance he would ever be the same so from an "insurance" viewpoint, Smithiak should have targeted a higher quality backup than T.J. Yates.

That or even instead of taking Yates aim for a guy a couple rounds higher.

 

[JB]

Nah. They would t have been crucified. Shaub took a lot of heat. And I just get this vibe that he's a real good guy so I actually feel bad for him with some of the rumored treatment he got.

There wouldn't have been anything wrong with taking a just in case guy/a guy that you could flip for picks if Shaub didn't inplode. Teams do that. Even teams with elite qbs will do that.

perhaps you missed the "on this board" part?

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

perhaps you missed the "on this board" part?

I don't talk Texans in my everyday life except with my dad and one friend.

So beyond this board I don't really have a sense of what the general sentiment is among actual Texan fans.

I don't even know what the .com guys do over there.