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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

Honoring Earl 34 said:
Clowney is a good player running a 4.5 at 6'5 255 lbs but he doesn't have what Terrell Suggs at 6'3 260 lbs running a 4.84 forty has . I guess it's first step and bend but one has 132 career sacks and the other might get half that . I know I know he's a great run stopper in a passing league which puts value on the sack .
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You don’t think JD will get double digit sacks this year in a 4-3??? Texans were taking a huge guy AND DROPPING HIM IN COVERAGE - not a lot but enough to make him think extra. Terrel Suggs was great at getting to the passer because he had a lower center of gravity and he was a master of leverage. The one step explosion Clowney has at his size is absurd. To say he wont get paid is simply just a remarkably wrong take.

Texans drafted a guy who didn’t really fit the scheme, but he still excelled and did so coming back from one of the worst procedures for an athlete. He’s still only 26 and entering the years that Mack and Donald started winning their DPOYS and I’d guess that JD has a monster season.

I’m on the other end of the “kneebomb” conspiracy. I say if he would have had a setback it would have happened already. JD is now going into year 5 post op and he’s only getting better. If you read enough medical documents you can start to see how far the procedure has come and why the success rates for certain athletes reach up to 85%.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...surgery-has-good-success-if-right-5975703.php

But you are entitled to your opinion.
 
Uncle Rico said:
You don’t think JD will get double digit sacks this year in a 4-3??? Texans were taking a huge guy AND DROPPING HIM IN COVERAGE - not a lot but enough to make him think extra. Terrel Suggs was great at getting to the passer because he had a lower center of gravity and he was a master of leverage. The one step explosion Clowney has at his size is absurd. To say he wont get paid is simply just a remarkably wrong take.

Texans drafted a guy who didn’t really fit the scheme, but he still excelled and did so coming back from one of the worst procedures for an athlete. He’s still only 26 and entering the years that Mack and Donald started winning their DPOYS and I’d guess that JD has a monster season.

I’m on the other end of the “kneebomb” conspiracy. I say if he would have had a setback it would have happened already. JD is now going into year 5 post op and he’s only getting better. If you read enough medical documents you can start to see how far the procedure has come and why the success rates for certain athletes reach up to 85%.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...surgery-has-good-success-if-right-5975703.php

But you are entitled to your opinion.
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Clowney is a great straight line player . By the way it was Mercilus that was dropped back into coverage not Clowney . Mercilus had 12.5 sacks one year before he changed roles .

The knee is not a conspiracy . The injury cost him some cartilage and so it's highly susceptible to wear and tear .
 
Clowneys skill set was never really a fit here. He will get the opportunity to play in a defense now that is perfect for him. I’m not a big fan of RACs style of defense. I hate bend but not break defences especially when we allow underneath passes all game long by lining up our CB’s so far off the LOS. It really negates the pass rush and only truly works when you have quality defensive backs who are play makers.

I can’t wait to see clowney get an opportunity to really showcase his talent. I’m expecting a big year from him if Seattle gives him the opportunity. They were the least blitzing team last year. If they revert back to the legion of doom style clowney will go off.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Clowney is a great straight line player . By the way it was Mercilus that was dropped back into coverage not Clowney . Mercilus had 12.5 sacks one year before he changed roles .

The knee is not a conspiracy . The injury cost him some cartilage and so it's highly susceptible to wear and tear .
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CloakNNNdagger said:
In order to try to better understand the Texans' reluctance to give Clowney a long-term contract with high guaranteed monies, it's important to understand the natural history of patients having undergone microfracture surgery on the knees............While reading this, keep in mind that in December Clowney will be 5 years post his microfracture procedure.

Despite the popularity, there is increasing evidence that also questions the value of microfracture in knees. Recent orthopedic reviews report that the long-term clinical results of microfracture are no better than those for patients who do not have microfracture, and that microfracture is not without risks

Orthopedists Goyal et al. reviewed all Level I and Level II studies (these are studies with the greatest confirmed validity) in the world medical literature and concluded that in the short-term, for young patients with small lesion sizes and low post-operative demands, microfracture was associated with good clinical outcomes. However ‘ beyond 5 years post-operatively, treatment failure after microfracture could be expected regardless of lesion size ’.

Another study has highlighted the risks associated with microfracture; that disruption of the subchondral plate (a support layer) upon drilling into the marrow predisposes the bone to the development of subchondral cysts and fragile or brittle bone, subsequently accelerating osteoarthritis.

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TexansBull said:
In Clowney’s first five years in the NFL he has missed 18 games. Take that number and multiply by 0 and that is how many games Watt missed in his first 5 years in the NFL.

What number did you get? Hint - the number is in the question. 0.

Don’t you ever compare a great HOFer like Watt to someone like Clowney trying to make a name for himself. GTFO with that nonsense.
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Bitter much? Facts hurt your feelings?
I never stated Watt was garbage....or even remotely untalented. Dude is probably the most talented player we've ever had to put on a Texans jersey and that is including AJ and Hopkins.
Yet, it's true that Watt has missed more games in his career than Clowney has. Let's see how many games Clowney misses the next 3 years and revisit this.
And stop acting like Clowney is some garbage player that has little to no talent. Clowney is definitely not Watt level, but he's a far superior player to any other LB we have on our roster currently. Before he was traded, he was probably the 3rd/4th most talented player on the team. - This is Watt-Hopkins-Clowney/Watson (interchangeable).

So why don't you actually think logically and GTFO with that nonsense about Clowney being some crap player trying to make a name for himself. I can't even believe that I'm defending a player I actually wanted them to trade.
 
If the Texans were going to trade him due to his knee they could have traded him before his 5th year when he had maximum value. This argument makes them look even stupider.
 
Wished we hadn't drafted 1.1
Wished we had traded him prior to draft. That would have given us trade capital to get Dillard and still get Tunsil and maybe a real RB if we wished but that is gone.

Very curious as to when he begins to actually play. He seems to always be a little dinged up or at least that is how the Texans spun it. I could see some type of minor injury or worse if he plays too much too early.
I think he will start strong in the first half of the season when he gets up to speed if not injured and then in the second half go back to normal. Great on some plays but others just a player. Curious to see what the coaching staff and media say about him as the season goes along.

I don't see him getting what he thinks he is worth next year. Just my opinion.
 
TheKDog said:
If the Texans were going to trade him due to his knee they could have traded him before his 5th year when he had maximum value. This argument makes them look even stupider.
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If the Texans know about Clowney's knee , the rest of the league does too . The injury was extremely unfortunate for JD because he'll never get paid what he could have made . He wants Mack and Donald money or at Clark and Lawrence money .

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl...18-richest-contracts/4lp81awju251qmqxxek75b9b

6. Trey Flowers, DE, Lions

Average annual salary: $18 million
Guaranteed: $56 million

5. Von Miller, OLB, Broncos

Average annual salary: $19 million
Guaranteed: $70 million

4. Frank Clark, DE, Chiefs

Average annual salary: $20.8 million
Guaranteed: $62.3 million

3. Demarcus Lawrence, DE, Cowboys

Average annual salary: $21 million
Guaranteed: $65 million


2. Aaron Donald, DT, Rams

Average annual salary: $22.5 million
Guaranteed: $87 million

1. Khalil Mack, DE, Bears

Average annual salary: $23.5 million
Guaranteed: $90 million
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TheKDog said:
If the Texans were going to trade him due to his knee they could have traded him before his 5th year when he had maximum value. This argument makes them look even stupider.
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This just makes no sense - personally I don't think this is what happened although it could be playing into the reluctance of the Texans or the rest of the league to sign/trade him. But how would it make the Texans stupid?

Even if you know 100% he would suck after 5 years and the knee would start to go, why would you trade him before? Use his skills and production during the good 'window' then take what you could get for him at the 'it will now be all downhill'.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
If the Texans know about Clowney's knee , the rest of the league does too . The injury was extremely unfortunate for JD because he'll never get paid what he could have made . He wants Mack and Donald money or at Clark and Lawrence money .

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl...18-richest-contracts/4lp81awju251qmqxxek75b9b
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He still had more value before his 5th year than now when we gave him up for nothing.

And even more, why not play him for one year on the tag when it will be one of his last healthy years? Why get rid of him BEFORE he gets injured?
 
I dont agree that Clowney is best on the edge, and its difficult to compare him to Suggs. Im a huge Clowney fan...somewhere on this board I profess my man crush by saying that he is just as disruptive as Kalil Mack (an unpopular opinion, I know).

Clowney isnt a natural edge rusher and lacks the bend and loose hips of someone like Suggs, Mack or Von Miller. Plus, blasting off the line with his hand in the dirt and bending around the edge is sure to put a lot of wear and tear on the knee vs. rushing from a standing position.

He is a *great* interior rusher that absolutely blows up the line and wreaks havoc in the backfield, which doesnt always show up on the stat sheet. He will have a great year and get paid, no matter where he lines up (he should be allowed to freelance). Wish he were still a Texan.
 
TheKDog said:
He still had more value before his 5th year than now when we gave him up for nothing.

And even more, why not play him for one year on the tag when it will be one of his last healthy years? Why get rid of him BEFORE he gets injured?
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I think that Clowney was going to report after the Cowboy game and somebody tipped him off that when he signs , he's gone . He was going to be in the Tunsil trade but didn't want to go to Miami so he leveraged his signature to the team of his choice . Once the Miami trade was revealed it was hard to bring him back .
 
Ehh, his best move is the dip inside which lends itself to being double teamed. He's not beating anyone around the edge consistently like Frank Clark did for them. All you really have to do is watch the Colts playoff game to see about Clowney. I don't remember a single play from him in that game.

Seattle already had a pretty good defense before him...top 10 if im not mistaken. The 2 games they played against the Rams last year were 2 of the best games of the year. The addition of Clowney however, doesn't necessarily put them over the top imo.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I think that Clowney was going to report after the Cowboy game and somebody tipped him off that when he signs , he's gone . He was going to be in the Tunsil trade but didn't want to go to Miami so he leveraged his signature to the team of his choice . Once the Miami trade was revealed it was hard to bring him back .
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Yep that doesn tmake obrien look any less stupid
 
FuzzyLogic said:
This just makes no sense - personally I don't think this is what happened although it could be playing into the reluctance of the Texans or the rest of the league to sign/trade him. But how would it make the Texans stupid?

Even if you know 100% he would suck after 5 years and the knee would start to go, why would you trade him before? Use his skills and production during the good 'window' then take what you could get for him at the 'it will now be all downhill'.
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Well you either keep him for his healthy years (tag him this year and next) and avoid the risk of an extension, or you trade him at max value which is before his 5th year.

Instead the Texans drive down his value (tag him and wait until after the extension deadline) then lose all leverage and trade him for nothing.
 
TheKDog said:
Well you either keep him for his healthy years (tag him this year and next) and avoid the risk of an extension, or you trade him at max value which is before his 5th year.

Instead the Texans drive down his value (tag him and wait until after the extension deadline) then lose all leverage and trade him for nothing.
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I said nothing about what the Texans did do or if it was smart, which it wasn't, but what you said wasn't any smarter. Only in the context of what was being discussed based on CNND's article - if you knew the 5th year was the 'end' then you keep him play him until then take what you can get before it blows (only if the rest of the league agrees that 5th year and beyond is a crapshoot).
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Clowney is a great straight line player . By the way it was Mercilus that was dropped back into coverage not Clowney . Mercilus had 12.5 sacks one year before he changed roles .

The knee is not a conspiracy . The injury cost him some cartilage and so it's highly susceptible to wear and tear .
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Thats absurd. Just look up the tape on Clowney and "straight line player" is about as far a proper EVAL as possible. How can you say he was at his best when he lined up all over the LOS, but not have the quickness, push and raw athleticism to make it work?? Its a contradictory supposition.

Clowney dropped into coverage or was he lying when he told the reporters in SEA "here I wont have to worry about dropping back" whether he did it as much as Mercilus is besides the point when you take into account read and recognition roles and responsibilities in the passing game. Its a philosophical problem I have with RAC and how he tends to buffer the CBs so much.

Did you even bother to read any medical papers on the knee? Did you educate yourself on the advances in medicine and how/when/who can succeed? Its obvious you didnt even click the link because you keep regurgitating the same nonsense that other people have, but in the end after he has a long, successful career all you'll have to say is "glad I was wrong" LOL

wear and tear pfffff = 3 straight pro bowls, elite level grading by PFF and only 1 game lost due to LOAD MANAGEMENT over the last 3 years. If anybody is going to break down it will be Watt first, maybe should have traded him? Wont be long before he starts barking about more money once Tunsil and Watson get their bag.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Thats absurd. Just look up the tape on Clowney and "straight line player" is about as far a proper EVAL as possible. How can you say he was at his best when he lined up all over the LOS, but not have the quickness, push and raw athleticism to make it work?? Its a contradictory supposition.

Clowney dropped into coverage or was he lying when he told the reporters in SEA "here I wont have to worry about dropping back" whether he did it as much as Mercilus is besides the point when you take into account read and recognition roles and responsibilities in the passing game. Its a philosophical problem I have with RAC and how he tends to buffer the CBs so much.

Did you even bother to read any medical papers on the knee? Did you educate yourself on the advances in medicine and how/when/who can succeed? Its obvious you didnt even click the link because you keep regurgitating the same nonsense that other people have, but in the end after he has a long, successful career all you'll have to say is "glad I was wrong" LOL

wear and tear pfffff = 3 straight pro bowls, elite level grading by PFF and only 1 game lost due to LOAD MANAGEMENT over the last 3 years. If anybody is going to break down it will be Watt first, maybe should have traded him? Wont be long before he starts barking about more money once Tunsil and Watson get their bag.
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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-2018-...093/Jadeveon-Clowney-s-best-plays-2018-season
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Sounds like JD was willing to sit out the season or come in after the deadline.

I would’ve tried to get a long term deal done, but if he was going to sit out the season at this point then trading him makes sense.

But then again, this is one guy’s partial accounting of what was going on.
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Clowney had 0 incentive to sit out the season.
 
Texan_fan_13 said:
Clowney was offered several deals and wanted more. Again, do you want to keep Clowney with Khalil Mack Money or do you want to Deshaun Watson and Laramey Tusil. You guys don't know what Clowney was offered and what he turned down. When the employee doesn't want what is offered what do you do. Clowney didn't take the offer. Clowney didn't want to go to Miami. And I keep saying Clowney didn't get.. I hope he finds what he's looking for but in the end, he's done here because he didn't wan too, not because Bill Obrien didn't. I Knew last year it was Clowney's last year here. How could the rest of you not. Deshaun vs clowney. you can't have both. Pretty simple.
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Where I stand on this subject is very simple: Clowney couldn’t be paid more than Watt. Watt>Clowney. The Texans can’t pay Watt, Clowney, Watson, Tunsil, etc.
 
DocBar said:
Clowney had 0 incentive to sit out the season.
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Yet all reports indicate he was leaning that way.

You probably said the same thing about Leveon Bell.

Nobody said it would have been a wise decision financially, but In his Seattle interviews Clowney pretty much confirmed he wasn’t signing unless he got to choose his destination.
 
ObsiWan said:
Have you gone down to the Pier 57 or Pike's Mkt??
:D
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We just had dinner at Anthony’s Pier 66. (Pacific Duet) best damn fish I’ve ever had! And, of course! Pike Place is a must when in Seattle! I also just ate like 4 crumpets from The Crumpet Shop, after having the scallops chowder from Pike Place Chowder! I love it here. Sure wish Houston had its own Pike Place Market!
 
ObsiWan said:
Have you visited one of the head shops?

...asking for a friend
;)
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Herban Legends and Have a Heart. We always stay in Belltown, as my cousin owns a condo in the Volta Building. He usually has it booked about 250 days out of the year on AirnBnB. We have the luxury of picking what days out of the year we stay so we don’t have to pay for a hotel. I’m super lucky!
 
TheKDog said:
Well you either keep him for his healthy years (tag him this year and next) and avoid the risk of an extension, or you trade him at max value which is before his 5th year.

Instead the Texans drive down his value (tag him and wait until after the extension deadline) then lose all leverage and trade him for nothing.
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They didn't lose all leverage,

They chose to let him walk just to get him off of the team.
 
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