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Patriots Accuse Texans of Tampering

Double Barrel said:
Perception matters when trying to find a quality GM candidate. Who wants a GM-lite job with an owner that could fire you after only 17 months into a 5 year contract? They've also got the O'Brien factor to deal with.
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I've been saying this since Gaine was fired. Sure its great that Gaine is gone, but what now? Where do you go from here at this strange time? What is the perception now of your owner and management? Taking a non bias objective approach, this looks like an unattractive job. The Texans aren't a sexy organization any way. Both GM's leave under negative circumstances within like 3 yrs. Why is this so hard for certain Texan fans on this board to understand? Its like they think the rest of the country would view this job like the Yankees or something despite everything I just mentioned. Lol!
 
Mr teX said:
It probably is at least part of the reason why they don’t happen as much in the NFL.
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Trades or acquisitions involving tampering situations? I'd think that coming up with a tampering restitution would be pretty difficult and a complex penalty to come up with. I would say that at least. But again, 3rd/6th rounder compensation is nothing man. 3rd rounders are busts all the time, and 6th rounders are total dice rolls.
 
Texecutioner said:
I've been saying this since Gaine was fired. Sure its great that Gaine is gone, but what now? Where do you go from here at this strange time? What is the perception now of your owner and management? Taking a non bias objective approach, this looks like an unattractive job. The Texans aren't a sexy organization any way. Both GM's leave under negative circumstances within like 3 yrs. Why is this so hard for certain Texan fans on this board to understand? Its like they think the rest of the country would view this job like the Yankees or something despite everything I just mentioned. Lol!
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Lol, b/c there are only 32 of them that’s why..why is that so hard for u to understand? Fans are the only ones who give a rats ass about perception when it comes to **** like this that is. Anyone whose been trying to up their pay and profile would gladly take this job & you’re absolutely nuts if u believe otherwise.
 
TheKDog said:
I read it and see no confirmatory statement from caserio or a source.

This guy who wrote it seems to be a skip Bayless type of character. He is not reporting he's just getting hits
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If the right opportunity presented itself when alone with Belichick and no witnesses were present, why not just haul off and cold-cock him.
 
Mr teX said:
Lol, b/c there are only 32 of them that’s why..why is that so hard for u to understand? Fans are the only ones who give a rats ass about perception when it comes to **** like this that is. Anyone whose been trying to up their pay and profile would gladly take this job & you’re absolutely nuts if u believe otherwise.
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Fans are the only ones that care about that perception?

Yeah, the guy taking the actual job isn't going to care about who is working for and what types of historical decisions that person may or may not make. I guess that's why GM's all over the league were lining up and begging to work for guys like Al Davis, Bud Adams, and Ralph Wilson. No risk there right? Why would anyone question those franchises at any point in the last 20 years? I'm sure everyone was just willing to go. Lol!

GM candidates turn down jobs all of the time. HC candidates turn down jobs all of the time. You're totally clueless here. Literally every off season has examples of this. THIS TEXANS SITUATION RIGHT NOW IS PROOF OF THIS, which is why we don't have a GM. No one out there wants this job. Hence why we're not even looking. :spit:
 
Texecutioner said:
Trades or acquisitions involving tampering situations? I'd think that coming up with a tampering restitution would be pretty difficult and a complex penalty to come up with. I would say that at least. But again, 3rd/6th rounder compensation is nothing man. 3rd rounders are busts all the time, and 6th rounders are total dice rolls.
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I agree..but draft picks are considered much more valuable in the NFL than in any other league. Aside from that, the fact that there is no schedule of how restitution for tampering is determined makes it all that much more scarier. What’s to say it stops with a 3rd & 6th? Or a 3rd and 6th just that year?...elite guys would be the only ones worth taking that risk for...

This is all moot b/c the tampering is stupid imo anyway.
 
Texecutioner said:
Fans are the only ones that care about that perception?

Yeah, the guy taking the actual job isn't going to care about who is working for and what types of historical decisions that person may or may not make. I guess that's why GM's all over the league were lining up and begging to work for guys like Al Davis, Bud Adams, and Ralph Wilson. No risk there right? Why would anyone question those franchises at any point in the last 20 years?
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Considering you’re making my point for me, with those owners who continued to get GM’s, me thinks you’re the one whose clueless....much like HC positions, GM jobs are coveted and no amount of your usual spinning is gonna change that..

guys turn down gigs for many different reasons lol. just b/c that happens doesn’t mean that there’s somehow a shortage of guys who would take it. It just means you’ve got to go off of the powers-that-be’s List of those they think “have next”.

No one knows that better than guys like Mike Mayock....Frank Reich.....Bruce Arians. Folks who weren’t on that list but took jobs that were thought to be clusterfucks or “GM lite” gigs.
 
Texecutioner said:
I've been saying this since Gaine was fired. Sure its great that Gaine is gone, but what now? Where do you go from here at this strange time? What is the perception now of your owner and management? Taking a non bias objective approach, this looks like an unattractive job. The Texans aren't a sexy organization any way. Both GM's leave under negative circumstances within like 3 yrs. Why is this so hard for certain Texan fans on this board to understand? Its like they think the rest of the country would view this job like the Yankees or something despite everything I just mentioned. Lol!
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Why is it great that Gaine is gone? Gaine appeared to have an excellent eye for talent, both in FA and the draft but got gun shy in FA after Colvin and Henderson were injured and didn't live up to expectations. Hate on it if you like, but as of right now, I'm not one bit pissed that the Iggles got Dillard and the Texans got Howard. Dillard is as far removed from being a plug in rookie starter as Howard is. The biggest difference between the two will be the coaching they will have this year. The Iggles are wisely bringing Dillard along slowly at one position. The Texans are asking Howard to drink from a firehose at 4 positions.
Gaine was starting to building a team the proper way and got fired for it.
 
DocBar said:
Why is it great that Gaine is gone? Gaine appeared to have an excellent eye for talent, both in FA and the draft but got gun shy in FA after Colvin and Henderson were injured and didn't live up to expectations. Hate on it if you like, but as of right now, I'm not one bit pissed that the Iggles got Dillard and the Texans got Howard. Dillard is as far removed from being a plug in rookie starter as Howard is. The biggest difference between the two will be the coaching they will have this year. The Iggles are wisely bringing Dillard along slowly at one position. The Texans are asking Howard to drink from a firehose at 4 positions.
Gaine was starting to building a team the proper way and got fired for it.
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Gaine was worthless that's why. He didn't know how to get a lot of deals done. He stunk at repairing their Line, and pretty much blew off the fact that the Texans were in a "win a SB" window with having a low contract Watson and a strong team around him already. He was another Rick Smith type of hire from the jump with OB practically being his boss.
 
Texecutioner said:
Gaine was worthless that's why. He didn't know how to get a lot of deals done. He stunk at repairing their Line, and pretty much blew off the fact that the Texans were in a "win a SB" window with having a low contract Watson and a strong team around him already. He was another Rick Smith type of hire from the jump with OB practically being his boss.
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Wow. You just posted like Cal McNair fired Gaine. All emotional and from the hip. No real idea of what Gaine was doing. Gaine was opposite of Smith in that he didn't have to trade away draft picks due to grossly overpaying FAs and actually had successful picks in the mid rounds.
What's wrong with the HC being the boss and the GM answering to him? I don't understand this thought process at all. As long as one or the other is held accountable, who cares?
 
Double Barrel said:
Occam's razor. Connecting dots with the least amount of assumptions.
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Double Barrel said:
I believe Cal fired Gaine because he thought he had an easy path to hire Caserio (who, btw, was high on his Bob McNair's GM list in January 2017).
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This is the biggest assumption I believe needs not be made. Many here were upset with the job Gaine did. Cal said he was thinking about keeping him on but not as GM but decided it was better to make a clean break.

Double Barrel said:
(who, btw, was high on his Bob McNair's GM list in January 2017).
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Bingo. I think we can all agree once they found themselves in this position they locked their sights on Caserio.
 
Texecutioner said:
Fans are the only ones that care about that perception?

Yeah, the guy taking the actual job isn't going to care about who is working for and what types of historical decisions that person may or may not make. I guess that's why GM's all over the league were lining up and begging to work for guys like Al Davis, Bud Adams, and Ralph Wilson. No risk there right? Why would anyone question those franchises at any point in the last 20 years? I'm sure everyone was just willing to go. Lol!

GM candidates turn down jobs all of the time. HC candidates turn down jobs all of the time. You're totally clueless here. Literally every off season has examples of this. THIS TEXANS SITUATION RIGHT NOW IS PROOF OF THIS, which is why we don't have a GM. No one out there wants this job. Hence why we're not even looking. :spit:
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Or O'Brien is waiting for Nick Caserio to become available. This situation may not be over with yet.
 
BOBdaFRAUD said:
So your saying BOB got one more year after this. OHHHHHHHHHHHHH MYYYYYYYYYYYYY GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! help us all...............
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Surprise? I wouldn't think anybody believes O'Brien is going anywhere this season. I think he's still has excuses even with Gaines being gone. I am not a fan of Bill O'Brien but I refused to sit here ringing out my crying towel. There are zero reasons the Texans cannot still pursue trades. Even if everything remains as is, I still believe we're going to have a good team. Record may still be a question even if the team is vastly improved.
 
Texas Jake said:
So many on this forum were complaining that Gaine wasn't up to the job, then when Cal comes to that conclusion and acts on it, everyone's head explodes.
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I thought he could've done more in FA, seems gun-shy on trades, and reached for our 1st rounder this year. That's about it (though the reach had a cascading effect).

No matter how good / bad I thought he was, there's nobody who can accurately grade a GM at 17 months.
 
TheKDog said:
McClain sources.

Do you really think that at any point gaine said no, bill, were not getting this guy you like at the senior bowl, we're getting this other guy
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Fake sources so its not real.

Hey I get it now, you're right, it is fun to just ignore and disregard anything that you don't agree with.
 
TheKDog said:
McClain sources.

Do you really think that at any point gaine said no, bill, were not getting this guy you like at the senior bowl, we're getting this other guy
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We really don't know do we? Speculation. Maybe true.

I liked Gaine and thought he was doing a good job, drafting and not trading.

Guy was cautious, maybe to a fault, but I think that's the best way to gain your OJT on a new job.

Firing him seemed knee jerk to me because Cal & Obrien thought they could get another Patriot staff member in here.

This Pat. fetish needs to stop now. Create / improve our own identity.

June Jones will probably do a better coach/gm job than Obrien and the preacher.

This franchise is so frustrating.

:coffee:
 
Before I rule on this apparent clown show, I am going to wait about three weeks. As screwed as we are with no GM, the Patriots can not like their situation where "reportedly" Cesario wanted out, was blocked, and now they have a GM who is leaving, right after their draft? So he is prepping for the Pats or us? He has to live with no decisions, he may be frustrated. Is this the guy you want with the hands on your personnel wheel being that even wanting to be professional he may not be all in? I suspect if Cal calls in a few weeks and offers a 5th they say 4th, we shake and get him.

Now is he the best candidate available is a better question, but seems we want him, so let it simmer. Do we want to lose a mid draft pick, no, but Cesario could change his mind and I want the GM in the building. We have contracts to renew, Clowney, bottom of roster churn etc to get on with.
 
TheKDog said:
So do you think Gaine is overruling OBrien?
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No I think Gaine is trying to figure out where is next paycheck is coming from.

Seriously though this is where I called BS on all these reports and their sources. When Gaine was first fired there was a report with sources that Cal was pissed about who was drafted and the lack of F/A moves.

Then there were new sources that Gaine was fired because they wanted to hire Cesario and that they were actually happy with the draft and players acquired. Now we are getting reports and new sources saying that the plan is for BoB to be the second most powerful HC in the NFL.

When something official is released or one of these so called journalists tells who these sources are so we know it's not just the guy refilling the popcorn machine then I'll believe it. As of right now they have zero proof and zero legitimacy.

I have no clue who is calling the shots down on Kirby, neither do you and neither do these reporters.
 
maverick512000 said:
No I think Gaine is trying to figure out where is next paycheck is coming from.

Seriously though this is where I called BS on all these reports and their sources. When Gaine was first fired there was a report with sources that Cal was pissed about who was drafted and the lack of F/A moves.

Then there were new sources that Gaine was fired because they wanted to hire Cesario and that they were actually happy with the draft and players acquired. Now we are getting reports and new sources saying that the plan is for BoB to be the second most powerful HC in the NFL.

When something official is released or one of these so called journalists tells who these sources are so we know it's not just the guy refilling the popcorn machine then I'll believe it. As of right now they have zero proof and zero legitimacy.

I have no clue who is calling the shots down on Kirby, neither do you and neither do these reporters.
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O'Brien and easterby are calling the shots.

Basically a QB coach and a chaplain
 
Well what "I" heard from my guy is that Gaine was fired for drafting two tackles who aren't looking like starters, not re-signing the honeybadger and not closing the Clowney deal to the point where Clowney said he wasn't coming back to the table on account of Gaine low balling him!
 
Rich Schmidt said:
Before I rule on this apparent clown show, I am going to wait about three weeks. As screwed as we are with no GM, the Patriots can not like their situation where "reportedly" Cesario wanted out, was blocked, and now they have a GM who is leaving, right after their draft? So he is prepping for the Pats or us? He has to live with no decisions, he may be frustrated. Is this the guy you want with the hands on your personnel wheel being that even wanting to be professional he may not be all in? I suspect if Cal calls in a few weeks and offers a 5th they say 4th, we shake and get him.
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Alternatively, the Patriots sit him down, tell him how much they love him, offer him more cash and he signs a contract extension.
 
Pharaohcious said:
Well what "I" heard from my guy is that Gaine was fired for drafting two tackles who aren't looking like starters, not re-signing the honeybadger and not closing the Clowney deal to the point where Clowney said he wasn't coming back to the table on account of Gaine low balling him!
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Did he do this on his own with no input from O'Brien or cal?

The only thing he could have screwed up was the Dillard thing because he was making the calls to other teams.
 
TheKDog said:
Did he do this on his own with no input from O'Brien or cal?

The only thing he could have screwed up was the Dillard thing because he was making the calls to other teams.
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Well I mean, it's HIS final say so, right? Who does the responsibility fall on?
 
maverick512000 said:
Proof?
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As one source explained it to PFT, Easterby already has “tons” of juice in Houston, despite being on the job for only a handful of months.



“Jack is just what his title says,” coach Bill O’Brien told reporters on Tuesday. “He is executive vice president of team development and he helps in all areas of the team. He helps me with the team. He helps in the different departments around the team, the departments that work with the team, obviously the training room, equipment room. He helps me with putting in processes to really help the duties of each department relative to the team. It’s all about the team and how can we improve the team and Jack has been an excellent addition to the organization.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/profoo...evelops-significant-influence-in-houston/amp/


How Jack Easterby’s influence is growing with Texans

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...How-Jack-Easterby-s-influence-is-13966737.php



https://www.houstontexans.com/team/front-office-roster/

Executive Management
 
Pharaohcious said:
wtf is a chaplain?
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A chaplain is, traditionally, a cleric (such as a minister, priest, pastor, rabbi, purohit, or imam), or a lay representative of a religious tradition, attached to a secular institution such as a hospital, prison, military unit, school, labor union, business, police department, fire department, university, or private chapel.

As team chaplain, Easterby headed Patriots Bible study sessions, which, for many years prior to his arrival, were player-led.
 
So say there is a guy named Muhammed who is a muslim rumored to be the next Tom Brady or Bo Jackson... He won't be able to get drafted? Does EVERY team have a chaplain?
 
Bro, you're doing yourself a disservice listening to the resident troll of the board. The guy's background consists of more than just what a few clowns on here want to highlight b/c its central to thier agenda.... the below isn't that hard to find.


https://www.houstontexans.com/team/front-office-roster/jack-easterby

Jack Easterby is in his first season as the Executive Vice President of Team Development. Easterby joins the Texans after serving as the Team Development Director/Character Coach for the New England Patriots from 2013-18 where he was a part of winning Super Bowls 49, 51 and 53. He was also the team chaplain for the Kansas City Chiefs from 2011-12. Easterby has served as a team/athlete development consultant for multiple NBA teams, USA Basketball, several other Olympic teams and has mentored numerous PGA tour players as well as Major League Baseball players.

Easterby gained his first NFL experience in 2005 with the Jacksonville Jaguars as the assistant director of football operations. He became the character coach for the University of South Carolina Athletic Department from 2006-10. While at South Carolina, Easterby implemented team/program-building for all Olympic sports, assisted in both academic and spiritual accountability initiatives, and served as a keynote speaker for multiple church and community events.

The Columbia, S.C. native graduated from Newberry College where he captained the basketball and golf teams to historic seasons from 2001-05. As a senior, Easterby was named Scholar Athlete of the Year by both Newberry College and the South Atlantic Conference, as well as receiving the SAC Male Athlete Character Award.

Easterby and his wife, Holly, have two daughters, Houston and Harriet.
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TheKDog said:
As one source explained it to PFT, Easterby already has “tons” of juice in Houston, despite being on the job for only a handful of months.



“Jack is just what his title says,” coach Bill O’Brien told reporters on Tuesday. “He is executive vice president of team development and he helps in all areas of the team. He helps me with the team. He helps in the different departments around the team, the departments that work with the team, obviously the training room, equipment room. He helps me with putting in processes to really help the duties of each department relative to the team. It’s all about the team and how can we improve the team and Jack has been an excellent addition to the organization.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/profoo...evelops-significant-influence-in-houston/amp/


How Jack Easterby’s influence is growing with Texans

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...How-Jack-Easterby-s-influence-is-13966737.php



https://www.houstontexans.com/team/front-office-roster/

Executive Management
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If everybody was as good at their jobs as Jamey Rootes is then the trophy case would be full on Kirby.
 
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