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Will Fuller WR Notre Dame- 1st round 2016

TexansSeminole said:
That's actually not true at all. They show these conversations and unless it's Jerry Jones, the GM or (usually) the coach calls the prospect.

So, yeah, what was described is a bit strange.
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It depends on the team.

Elway called Paxton lynch, told him they were taking him and then gave the phone to Kubiak.
 
Yeah, that is good work...but I wanna see him getting that work in against db's trying to jam him @ the LOS and on that jugs machine to strengthen his hands. that's where he needs to grow the most to realize his full potential.
 
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thunderkyss said:
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Average Yards Per Reception (and TD's)
1. Fuller - 20.3 and 14
2. Thomas - 19.6 and 14
3. Coleman - 18.4 and 20
4. Doctson - 16.8 and 14
5. Shepard - 15.0 and 11
6. Treadwell - 14.1 and 11

Fuller leads all in YPC and only Coleman had more TD's
Thomas has a significantly better drop rate but with fewer targets
Coleman has more TD's but roughly same drop rate
Doctson has significantly better drop rate but 3.5 YPC less and same TD's
Shepard has significantly better drop rate but 5.3 YPC less and fewer TD's
Treadwell, with roughly the same drop rate, was 6.2 YPC less and fewer TD's

What am I saying? First, that Fuller was clearly the speed guy on fly routes, which come with a higher risk of drops than volume catchers like Doctson, Shepard and Treadwell. Second, two of the top three YPC and TD:Reception ratio guys (Fuller and Coleman) have two of the highest drop rates. Third, you can pick any single stat to make your point. I just did. Twice.
 
He's a very willing downfield blocker. Does alright for a guy his size, but the want to is important.


 
I don't get why when someone brings up the flaws in Fuller's game immediately someone else tries to cover it up with other stats. It's like saying Jeffrey Dahmer was a cannibal and the next person saying yeah but he cooked a mean steak.
Fuller lead the NCAA in drops the last 2 years. Paint it however you want, it's still a flaw he NEEDS to work on. No one is saying he needs to get faster or make more plays. We're all saying he needs to work on his hands. This is the big leagues. He's a Texan now and we all, I hope, want him to become something special. Having 10 drops this year and 11 last year is unacceptable when your #1 job is to catch the ball.
 
PapaL said:
I don't get why when someone brings up the flaws in Fuller's game immediately someone else tries to cover it up with other stats. It's like saying Jeffrey Dahmer was a cannibal and the next person saying yeah but he cooked a mean steak.
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Ignoring the most likely intended hyperbole, this is one of the worst analogies I've seen in a while.

Saying he has other positives that make analyzing him solely on the drops inaccurate isn't covering up the drops, and it isn't saying that it's not a problem that he should work to improve on.
 
PapaL said:
I don't get why when someone brings up the flaws in Fuller's game immediately someone else tries to cover it up with other stats. It's like saying Jeffrey Dahmer was a cannibal and the next person saying yeah but he cooked a mean steak.
Fuller lead the NCAA in drops the last 2 years. Paint it however you want, it's still a flaw he NEEDS to work on. No one is saying he needs to get faster or make more plays. We're all saying he needs to work on his hands. This is the big leagues. He's a Texan now and we all, I hope, want him to become something special. Having 10 drops this year and 11 last year is unacceptable when your #1 job is to catch the ball.
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It's not about ignoring an area of improvement in his game. It's about the drops being the only stat some people are willing to talk about. Because they wanted Doctson or (ironically) Coleman or Treadwell. It's also about showing how easily you can take single stat and make someone the worst (or best) at their position.
 
Ganguli wrote a nice piece on Fuller

How Texans receiver Will Fuller's humility gave way to confidence


"I remember different times going through the practice tape, through the game tape, watching him run at somebody, or just blow their doors off, or snap them off on a route," said Mike Denbrock, the offensive coordinator and receivers coach at Notre Dame. "I used to say to him, 'Will, just so you know, that doesn’t happen every day. Not everyone can do that. You have some God-given ability that not everybody has.'"

With time, Fuller began feeling more comfortable sharing his confidence with his coaches. Eventually, he started asking for the ball in big moments. The biggest came last September.

Notre Dame, then ranked in the top 10, needed a field goal to beat underdog Virginia. Down one with 12 seconds left in the game, Fuller had a thought.

Earlier in the game he ran a slant-and-go route and the defensive back covering him bit on the slant. Fuller knew the same double move would work again.

"Coach I got this guy, I got him set up," Denbrock recalled Fuller saying. "I’m ready to win this football game for us."
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PapaL said:
Fuller lead the NCAA in drops the last 2 years. Paint it however you want, it's still a flaw he NEEDS to work on. No one is saying he needs to get faster or make more plays. We're all saying he needs to work on his hands. This is the big leagues. He's a Texan now and we all, I hope, want him to become something special. Having 10 drops this year and 11 last year is unacceptable when your #1 job is to catch the ball.
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My point has always been if you watched him at the combine & his pro day, it's obvious (to me) that he's been working on it. The fact that he was working with Jalen Strong on his footwork & route running is more evidence that this guy is set on getting better.

ymmv
 
thunderkyss said:
Ganguli wrote a nice piece on Fuller
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That was a good piece. I'm liking him and what he's about more and more. I'm glad that he's learning from Strong but I really hope that he and Strong shadow Nuk once things get rolling. If his speed and talent translates AND he improves the kid has the chance to be special.

thunderkyss said:
My point has always been if you watched him at the combine & his pro day, it's obvious (to me) that he's been working on it. The fact that he was working with Jalen Strong on his footwork & route running is more evidence that this guy is set on getting better.

ymmv
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I agree. He's putting in work for sure! I was against him in our mock draft but now that he's a Texan I'm supporting him. It's pretty hard not to since he has been putting in work since Day 0, before even signing his contract. That's impressive to me. The way I see it he has 0 drops and 0 big plays but he's one of ours now.
 
Stats are stats but he had to adjust to a new QB (Kiser) when ND starter (Zaire) got hurt so that certainly affected timing & chemistry. Thought offense as a whole struggled compared to before change.

I just want to see him add some weight to his frame without losing speed.
 
sandman said:
Average Yards Per Reception (and TD's)
1. Fuller - 20.3 and 14
2. Thomas - 19.6 and 14
3. Coleman - 18.4 and 20
4. Doctson - 16.8 and 14
5. Shepard - 15.0 and 11
6. Treadwell - 14.1 and 11

Fuller leads all in YPC and only Coleman had more TD's
Thomas has a significantly better drop rate but with fewer targets
Coleman has more TD's but roughly same drop rate
Doctson has significantly better drop rate but 3.5 YPC less and same TD's
Shepard has significantly better drop rate but 5.3 YPC less and fewer TD's
Treadwell, with roughly the same drop rate, was 6.2 YPC less and fewer TD's

What am I saying? First, that Fuller was clearly the speed guy on fly routes, which come with a higher risk of drops than volume catchers like Doctson, Shepard and Treadwell. Second, two of the top three YPC and TD:Reception ratio guys (Fuller and Coleman) have two of the highest drop rates. Third, you can pick any single stat to make your point. I just did. Twice.
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Exactly..The numbers you put up also not only speak to how these guys were utilized, but also the offenses these guys played in as well...All told when you factor in things like that, You come away thinking that drop rate alone is silly to even think about as a metric unto itself. At least 2 of these guys come out of air raid systems that throw many more shorter & easier passes and are also just naturally gonna get tons more targets and receptions......... which would dilute drop rate..versus a guy like fuller who came from a more NFL style offense.
 
Mr teX said:
Exactly..The numbers you put up also not only speak to how these guys were utilized, but also the offenses these guys played in as well...All told when you factor in things like that, You come away thinking that drop rate alone is silly to even think about as a metric unto itself. At least 2 of these guys come out of air raid systems that throw many more shorter & easier passes and are also just naturally gonna get tons more targets and receptions......... which would dilute drop rate..versus a guy like fuller who came from a more NFL style offense.
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Not say that Fuller can't work on better hands, but at least with him and Coleman you were getting yards and TD's with every catch that offset the drop rate. Treadwell had the second worst drop rate and the lowest YPC and TD's. Yet there are those around here who wanted him more than Fuller. I can see Doctson because he did average almost 17 YPC, but I don't get the Treadwell love. Not that it matters now.
 
Bryan Driskel

The man known as just a deep ball threat – Fuller – stepped into that void and became Notre Dame’s leading man. He quickly proved his game was more than just the ability to run really fast. Fuller went on to rack up 76 catches for 1,094 yards and 15 touchdowns.

Many questioned whether Fuller could repeat that success as a junior, but he surpassed it, racking up 1,258 yards in 2015. His game made dramatic improvements that can only come through working hard at improving one’s craft.

“That’s one of his major strengths,” Denbrock said of Fuller’s work ethic and desire to become a complete player. “Just because he has a quiet personality some take that as he’s a little meek. He’s the exact opposite of that, he’s one of the most competitive kids I’ve ever been around. It’s important for him to do well.”
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PapaL said:
I will instantly hate Will if he starts dabbing. I don't care how many TDs or drops he has.

Same applies to Braxton and anyone else that dabs.
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I assure you no Texan will be smoking anything! Strong is probably on a short leash, and they all know it. They'd be completely stupid to smoke dabs during the season and risk suspension, or being cut.
 
Mangler said:
I assure you no Texan will be smoking anything! Strong is probably on a short leash, and they all know it. They'd be completely stupid to smoke dabs during the season and risk suspension, or being cut.
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Not sure if serious...
 
ObsiWan said:
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I guess I'm not one of the "cool" kids. How or why is that called a dab? And, what's the point of doing that? Is that some new way of taunting someone? I've actually seen people do that out in public, I just never cared enough to ask what it means.
 
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Mr teX said:
Exactly..The numbers you put up also not only speak to how these guys were utilized, but also the offenses these guys played in as well...All told when you factor in things like that, You come away thinking that drop rate alone is silly to even think about as a metric unto itself. At least 2 of these guys come out of air raid systems that throw many more shorter & easier passes and are also just naturally gonna get tons more targets and receptions......... which would dilute drop rate..versus a guy like fuller who came from a more NFL style offense.
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The top 4 avg per catch seems to negate "short" passes for them. Would be interesting to know the target numbers.

Edit: and then there is post 306.
 
Mangler said:
I assure you no Texan will be smoking anything! Strong is probably on a short leash, and they all know it. They'd be completely stupid to smoke dabs during the season and risk suspension, or being cut.
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I thought the NFL only tested for drugs during the offseason unless a player is in the "done been caught" group.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
More footage of Fuller training: http://abc13.com/sports/texans-fuller-works-with-the-footwork-king-ahead-of-camp/1324129/
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- On the common sense side, many players do things like this and it doesn't necessarily mean much until we see it on the field. On the optimistic side though, it's really nice to think that a young man who is already so physically gifted (SPEED) hasn't rested on his talent, has taken his criticisms the right way, and decided to tackle them head on by grinding harder. On the whole, just love to see this.

- Good grief is this kid thin. Not so much a chicken little thought, and we already knew this, but just couldn't help being the first thing I thought when the vid started. And I don't think his frame could supporter more than a few pounds more even with the most arduous workout/diet. Not until he just naturally fills out some more. Hopefully he's just a spry athlete and can holdup through a 16-game pro gauntlet. Nine routes are certainly his friend.
 
Mangler wasn't born in pit and doesn't play fantasy football. - oh and he doesn't have espn during football season.
 
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