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djohn2oo8 said:
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Lol all is well
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I like Clowney. Clowney is who I thought he was going to be if anyone look back at what I said about him. He's a athlete playing football vs an athletic football player. Its the biggest part of why I wouldn't have ever drafted him #1 overall with a guy like Mack sitting right there. He stiff without bend and injury plagued. He plays harder than most give him credit for, but his stiffness is the reason he never became a double digit sack guy. He can't turn speed to power and vice versa. Overall, Clowney is ok, but isn't as good as he thinks he is. He's better against the run than vs rushing the passer.
 
leebigeztx said:
I like Clowney. Clowney is who I thought he was going to be if anyone look back at what I said about him. He's a athlete playing football vs an athletic football player. Its the biggest part of why I wouldn't have ever drafted him #1 overall with a guy like Mack sitting right there. He stiff without bend and injury plagued. He plays harder than most give him credit for, but his stiffness is the reason he never became a double digit sack guy. He can't turn speed to power and vice versa. Overall, Clowney is ok, but isn't as good as he thinks he is. He's better against the run than vs rushing the passer.
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He was always a one-trick pony..........bull rush. He never worked hard enough to ever develop any other moves. During any preseasons especially, you couldn't find him practicing with a geiger counter. It didn't go unnoticed by coaching staff or other players. Independent of his injury limitations, he was never going to be the elite football player he was expected to be.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
He was always a one-trick pony..........bull rush. He never worked hard enough to ever develop any other moves. During any preseasons especially, you couldn't find him practicing with a geiger counter. It didn't go unnoticed by coaching staff or other players. Independent of his injury limitations, he was never going to be the elite football player he was expected to be.
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Sounds like HWNSNBM
 
leebigeztx said:
I like Clowney. Clowney is who I thought he was going to be if anyone look back at what I said about him. He's a athlete playing football vs an athletic football player. Its the biggest part of why I wouldn't have ever drafted him #1 overall with a guy like Mack sitting right there. He stiff without bend and injury plagued. He plays harder than most give him credit for, but his stiffness is the reason he never became a double digit sack guy. He can't turn speed to power and vice versa. Overall, Clowney is ok, but isn't as good as he thinks he is. He's better against the run than vs rushing the passer.
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Agreed and he lacked the work ethic.

I truly believe we never got to see the best of Clowney due to him stepping in a hole during his 1st game as a Texans that caused him to have to have major knee surgery. I think that robbed him of some of what's in your post. Obviously Mack would've been the better pick.
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed and he lacked the work ethic.

I truly believe we never got to see the best of Clowney due to him stepping in a hole during his 1st game as a Texans that caused him to have to have major knee surgery. I think that robbed him of some of what's in your post. Obviously Mack would've been the better pick.
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It was part work ethic and part gift. Some guys, even at his height and body structure can bend and some can't. Jared Allen was a tallish de, so was Strahan, but those guys could dip and put their shoulder on the ground and explode. Clowney could never do that. His best rush years with the Texans were as a joker type of rusher. A gap blitzer and stuff when Romeo used to move him around. He's always been able to hold the point on on the runs, but he's either bull or speed, never both. Injuries make him even more average.
 
Among the 39 QBs with at least 150 attempts this season, Deshaun Watson finished 38th in EPA/dropback.

[Expected Points Added (EPA) is a measure of success which defines the value of each play by the effect it has on the offense's likelihood to score.]
 
Corrosion said:
Yes , given the circumstances you lay out , he'd be UFA but that's just not in the cards.

Watson has $156m in guaranteed money , if the Texans cut him , they pay him the balance due and absorb the cap hit. That just aint happening.

The Texans have two choices - best case , he's traded , worst case , they void the contract entirely and Watson is likely repaying that signing bonus money.



Unlikely .... again , just too much guaranteed money to simply cut him.




IF there were real offers out there , the Texans would have done it already. All that talk of them turning down 3#1's and then some is a crock of manure.

Some team might give them a 3rd round pick for him as it stands ..... but that's not enough compensation to justify the cap hit of $16,200,000 next year. They are better off in that situation voiding the entire contract.


This is a situation where these talking heads can say just about anything and get away with it because there isn't going to be any kind of closure for some time .... and they can just say later "situation is fluid".
Jay Glazer is just trying to generate clicks , knowing he can say literally anything and get away with it.
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@TexansBull this is the closest thing I found to cutting Watson. That was never an option
 
leebigeztx said:
@TexansBull this is the closest thing I found to cutting Watson. That was never an option
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Don't know the context of this conversation .... but no, "cutting him" was never an option.

In cutting him, the entire contract instantly accelerated into dead money that equates to ~84% of the entire salary cap. You couldn't field a full roster with that much dead money ....

The only out without a cap hit for the Texans was voiding the contract and in doing that they lose the "asset" that is Watson and there is no trade, though it's possible they would have still held exclusive rights but I'm not certain on that .... that's above my pay grade.
 
leebigeztx said:
@TexansBull this is the closest thing I found to cutting Watson. That was never an option
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Corrosion said:
Don't know the context of this conversation .... but no, "cutting him" was never an option.

In cutting him, the entire contract instantly accelerated into dead money that equates to ~84% of the entire salary cap. You couldn't field a full roster with that much dead money ....

The only out without a cap hit for the Texans was voiding the contract and in doing that they lose the "asset" that is Watson and there is no trade, though it's possible they would have still held exclusive rights but I'm not certain on that .... that's above my pay grade.
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Lol. Kudos to @leebigeztx to not letting this die. Challenge accepted. I am going to go through the the Easterby’s thread, the Cal thread, and the Caserio thread and pull where I heard it. It was a link or something that said Cal was looking to get rid of Watson in the first year but Caserio advised him to wait. Maybe I misspoke when I said “cut him” but Cal was willing to get rid of him in that first year but Caserio advised him to wait it out.

This may come back in in a month, two or three.
 
TexansBull said:
Lol. Kudos to @leebigeztx to not letting this die. Challenge accepted. I am going to go through the the Easterby’s thread, the Cal thread, and the Caserio thread and pull where I heard it. It was a link or something that said Cal was looking to get rid of Watson in the first year but Caserio advised him to wait. Maybe I misspoke when I said “cut him” but Cal was willing to get rid of him in that first year but Caserio advised him to wait it out.

This may come back in in a month, two or three.
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Is this it?

Dated: Sunday, October 31, 2021 - Houston Texans set to keep Deshaun Watson past NFL trade deadline, sources say

"Texans general manager Nick Caserio has been unwavering in his stance and determination to get full value for Watson and, to date, has been unwilling to trade him for anything less than what he believes Watson is worth.

Texans owner Cal McNair privately has told people that he would like the organization to trade Watson before Tuesday's 4 p.m. ET deadline but is leaving the decision to Caserio."
 
Double Barrel said:
Is this it?

Dated: Sunday, October 31, 2021 - Houston Texans set to keep Deshaun Watson past NFL trade deadline, sources say

"Texans general manager Nick Caserio has been unwavering in his stance and determination to get full value for Watson and, to date, has been unwilling to trade him for anything less than what he believes Watson is worth.

Texans owner Cal McNair privately has told people that he would like the organization to trade Watson before Tuesday's 4 p.m. ET deadline but is leaving the decision to Caserio."
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So I was wrong to say he was going to be cut. But I was right that Caserio talked Cal into keeping Watson longer than he want. And I was right that it was somewhere on this board I heard it. So 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.
 
Double Barrel said:
Is this it?

Dated: Sunday, October 31, 2021 - Houston Texans set to keep Deshaun Watson past NFL trade deadline, sources say

"Texans general manager Nick Caserio has been unwavering in his stance and determination to get full value for Watson and, to date, has been unwilling to trade him for anything less than what he believes Watson is worth.

Texans owner Cal McNair privately has told people that he would like the organization to trade Watson before Tuesday's 4 p.m. ET deadline but is leaving the decision to Caserio."
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Thank you for finding that for me.
 
Texian said:
There is no maybe about it, it definitely is a FUBAR on the magnitude of the Texans signing DeShaun Watson to a new long-term contract a year before Cal ran him off. You pooped in your Troll lunch pail here but no big deal, many here do it.
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You know how I feel about the McNair's ownership, but what happened with Derrick was totally on Derrick.
 
steelbtexan said:
You know how I feel about the McNair's ownership, but what happened with Derrick was totally on Derrick.
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Chronologically that does not compute. Watson's Tweet "somethings never change" (Jan. 6th, 2021)and his demand to be traded (Jan. 28th, 2021) was well before Ashley Solis filed the first lawsuit against Watson in March of 2021.
 
Texian said:
Chronologically that does not compute. Watson's Tweet "somethings never change" (Jan. 6th, 2021)and his demand to be traded (Jan. 28th, 2021) was well before Ashley Solis filed the first lawsuit against Watson in March of 2021.
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Do we know when Watson felt he was in trouble on the off the field stuff? Ashley went to his rep way before filing, maybe then he asked for help or support from Texans and got the hand? I don't know, just asking, but he knew well before March this may be a thorn in his ass
 
Rich Schmidt said:
Do we know when Watson felt he was in trouble on the off the field stuff? Ashley went to his rep way before filing, maybe then he asked for help or support from Texans and got the hand? I don't know, just asking, but he knew well before March this may be a thorn in his ass
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Nobody knows for sure what prompted Watson's "some things never change" quote.

Could have been related to the GM/HC situation, but it has also been speculated that he might have felt the team didn't have his back when the sexual assault details started coming out.

Nobody knows for sure, but several posters here speak with confidence on one of the reasons or another, mainly based on how it supports thier narrative.
 
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