The good news is that you won't have to pay Clowney.
Doo-Doo? Really? Did O'Brien give JD that nickname?
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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread
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I nearly choked when I read it.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Great source. Clowney has never been an All Pro. But hey, hopefully teams do get in a bidding war.
My issue is having a boatload of cap and not using it, a QB on a rookie deal, a new GM in Cleveland bringing in former pro bowl players to go from a dumpster fire to legitimate contender in 2 years, and we’re going to let an edge rusher, a former #1 overall pick, walk in his prime for a 3rd round comp pick. This is what OB wanted, and is just yet another stain on his already unimpressive record
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
He didn't play under the structures in place in the last two CBAs and he's never negotiated an NFL contract, nor been a GM.
So, yeah, he's still a talking head.
but is he adequately experienced to contribute here at TexansTalk!?!?
gs27
Veteran
Not necessarily, teams are sometimes more aggressive before the season if they think a certain piece will put them over the top. Possible the Texans could get an offer soon that significantly exceeds what they believe they could get after the season because the suitor is hungrier. After the season teams all think they can solve problems x or y with the draft, but August they might be desperate. Not saying it will happen, just a possibility.
Well the good news is you don't have to trade Clowney.
Three or four years post microfracture surgery is the major reservation about Clowney becaause of reinjury which could dramatically truncate
his career and don't those concerns progressively intensify with each passing season ? Time is of the essense to do a deal for JD.
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Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/jadeveon-clowney-14410/market-value/
Say it with me ... "Market .... Value"
Say it with me ... "Market .... Value"
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
This aint the NBA bro where you can just pay a luxury tax and pay everyone what they deserve. NFL is a hard cap league. I say that b/c DW4 has 1 more year left on his contract after this year. & Just basing it on known figures and some projections of other guys (Wilson just got a 140 million extension...Mahomes projected 176 million) You can bet DW4's is gonna be somewhere between there if he plays like we know he can...that's anywhere from 30 to 35 mil instantly on your salary cap for the next 5-6 years bro. & When that bill comes due, you want to be positioned to offer him what he deserves without much negotiation strife & having to gut your team of key guys to make it happen. The kind of money JDC is requesting has the potential to be 1 of those contracts that could be a problem when its time to pay DW4 down the road.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Who would you rather be in a contract hold out. Your guy or the guy below. & that's right now..imagine if he has an MVP season lol.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/deshaun-watson-21753/market-value/
With that in mind it would have made sense to sign JD to a deal this year with most of the money paying out this year and next before you have to pay Watson
I've been hearing the warnings about Clowney's knee for 3 years. If they were going to deal him, it would have been 4 months ago. We're 6 weeks away from Week 1. Time to get ready to win games, not play NFL stock market with no GM.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Well he could've had a deal already but apparently he didn't like the number. So in my mind JD doesn't have a deal right now b/c of JD, not the Texans FO. The dude barely played the 1st 2 years of his rookie deal & hasn't crossed double digit sacks in a season & has never been an all-pro. The only thing he can really hang his hat on is going to the pro bowl, but we all know those nominations are largely a joke I mean for christ sakes VY went to a few of those & Schaub won an MVP there.
His production simply doesn't warrant Donald & Mack money...period & unless the FO is drastically low balling him, i honestly don't see what leg he has to stand on in this hold out.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
1 + a team option year at the transition tag price.
That's just it. We have no clue what was offered, other than the franchise tender. And BTW, you can't holdout if you aren't under contract.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And you know they haven't offered that how? That's $6.5 mil/yr less than Mack. It's $500k less than franchise DE.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Very true on both accounts. But if we go by history, the Texans don't have a history of low balling guys. You may not get what you think you're worth, but you certainly get close to that if not more. So i'm inclined to believe he got offered something fair & JDC is not accepting it. Dude's still trying to get paid off his potential. Potential got him selected and paid as the #1 overall pick. Its time for him to produce like his potential says he should.
I'm not even sure the Texans want Clowney long term and if the offer remained on the table after Gaine was axed. But, the Texans did not move for a replacement. Clowney is what they have, when he shows up. And we have no idea what his worth is on the open market, because he was tagged. I will say that if he has more than he's shown in the past, this would be a good time for him to display it.
badboy
Hall of Fame
JD cannot walk for a third until at least two more seasons into his prime. You really care what Cleveland is doing? I'd rather have a boat load of cap space then spending it on players you probably won't produce. Wasn't long ago team was in cap he'll. Some is spent annually when guys are injured and have to be replaced. Trade deadline still ways in future. I am still hopeful that there will be at least two trades.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
yeah, that's what some of us are afraid of.
Uncle Rico
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the only "verifiable" information about an offer came from Cecil Shorts III and it was last year - before yet another pro bowl season. All that was said about the deal by Shorts - so subjective to him was that it was "low". As far as Spotrac valuation its a new metric and its all we stat nerds really have to supply any kind of salary relevance to the conversation. They are not identifying Mack and Donald and Miller as his peers - as nobody has thus far- especially not me. IF JD's camp is starting those negotiations there, then shouldnt that be expected? There is a middle ground there if the team is truly intent on keeping him, but everything really points to the opposite. Dont you think if the team had offered some monster 100Ms PLUS type deal that they would want that information out there? You really thinking Buttchin is some play it close to the vest GM?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I've said from the beginning my suspician is the fight is more likely over length and less over average per year. Even said I'd pay him more per year to get him to take a shorter contract.
But the fact is WE DON'T KNOW what has been offered or demanded so we can't attach blame.
But the fact is WE DON'T KNOW what has been offered or demanded so we can't attach blame.
My guess is sticking points over length coupled with guaranteed money...in addition to any over-valuation by his agent.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
8 plays @ LB, 5 @ DE, 2 unknown.
Uncle Rico
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"Yeah lets stiff JD over a positional designation so that the savings we can apply to a punter" LOL
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Said by absolutely nobody.
Clowney isn't getting stiffed on position.
One of those punters won't count a dime against the cap. Every team brings in camp legs.
Uncle Rico
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https://deadspin.com/the-texans-are-stiffing-jadeveon-clowney-1836374234
LOL
okay so then the Texans arent happy with Daniel and want to IMPROVE the position? That should be ya'lls stance, bringing in higher guranteed money to compete makes no sense. So Anger is the new punter cool, I dont give two shits about it because the TExan special teams is usually trash regardless of whos kicking or fielding.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yeah, it is lol that you would cite someone else with no information...just like you.
Are you reading impaired? Every team brings in extra legs.
His salary isn't guaranteed until game #1 of the regular season.
Uncle Rico
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Right, so we'll have a "camp battle" since Daniel apparently was doing a bad job last year, sign a punter for twice as much just so he can push the younger guy to "be better". Awesome way to motivate and ride for your guys! Couldnt a street free agent who's making exactly HALF of that (480K) offer the same type of competition? So what you are saying is that 3rd round pick, higher salary Bryan Anger is only here as camp legs? No way Daniel gets replaced? Optics are not too good on this one.
AFter the way Buttchin did Lechler dirty I wouldnt expect anything less honestly.
I hope not, but Daniel may be dealing with a groin or some little injury & the Texans are just covering their bases.
Maybe they're just taking Anger off the market so he'll be sitting at home when the season starts in case we need him.
Maybe they know someone will be trading a pick for him before the season starts.
Whatever the reason, I seriously doubt it has anything to do with Clowney.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
What part of every team brings in spare legs don't you comprehend? They don't want to wear them out & they want an on hand backup.
FFS salaries are irrelevant at this point. Players receive room, board & a per diem. Rookies all get one per diem & vets ALL get another. Right now Daniels, Anger or any street free agent all make the exact same thing. Why would you want lesser talent?
Uncle Rico
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ok so you admit that Punter is a postion that could stand to be upgraded and thats why Anger is here! OKAY was that so hard? If he gets the job then whats a million bucks to the team with one of the most cap space in the league?
Uncle Rico
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Yes TK you are right, it has nothing to do with Clowney, that was me trolling at how the difference in pay that they are stiffing Clowney on was appointed to upgrading the punting position, ORRR I could say that the difference in pay between keeping KJAX and signing Roby is what allowed them to bring in a better punter.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Said no such thing. And the correct question is IF Anger won, what's an extra $400k.
Kjax was here & we needed better CBs. He had arguably his best season & still we needed better CBs... I don't understand what you're upset about.
badboy
Hall of Fame
While Spotrac shows Anger signing $1 million one year deal it has no further breakdown. Over the Cap is detailed at $930,000 base (does not become GTD until game 1 as Infantrycak stated above) + a roster bonus (game 1) of $50,000. None of this is paid if he is cut prior to game one. He did get a $20,000 signing bonus that he gets regardless. $20k to not only back-up but push your starter is ridiculously cheap. IF Anger beats out Fairburn,Texans cut the 2018 starter and save $3 million cap. I could see both making final roster but I hope not as I want other players in consideration for final 53, at least for now.
Anger is a punter.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Dang me, ought to take a rope and hang me. I should have focused on players rather than cap. Thanks for correcting me.
badboy
Hall of Fame
This may have been posted
full article https://texanswire.usatoday.com/201...m_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos2headline
badboy
Hall of Fame
I could be wrong but Texans and player cannot negotiate a deal other than what he has now as tagged player. Is it in rules to work out an agreement that agent will accept and then Texans shop that deal? For example,
JD's agent will accept six years $120 million (Mack $141) with $50 m GTD at signing (Mack $60 m). Signing $30 million (Mack $34). GTD money ends after third season with roster bonus possible afterward (Mack same with $5 m roster bonus final three seasons).
Texans go to other teams that have been mentioned as "interested" saying "give him this agent approved deal and we (Houston) will accept (fill in blank) in return.
