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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

xtruroyaltyx said:
True he's missing out on the franchise tag money but he's also taking a risk of his value dropping beyond the amount of money he'd make by accepting the franchise tag and playing.
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Like I said, they sell insurance for that.

Plus staying in shape is still another year on his knee. And there's risk of injury there too. That won't even count as a football injury.
 
infantrycak said:
Like I said, they sell insurance for that.

Plus staying in shape is still another year on his knee. And there's risk of injury there too. That won't even count as a football injury.
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Insurance for bumps and bruises? I'm not talking career ending. I'm talking about injuries that make him miss time or give other teams concern about his long term durability.

Wasn't really talking about the fear of wear and tear but playing football would cause more wear. working out is more controlled vs playing football.

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infantrycak said:
Since he has zero chance of making that, no. But yeah if he paid sufficient premium and could prove market value.

You and he are both nuts if you think he'll equal much less surpass Mack.
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Why couldn't he average $20 million over the next 10 years?
 
TheKDog said:
Why couldn't he average $20 million over the next 10 years?
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You see many 37 year old edges? How about ones who've had microfracture surgery? Get real.

Jason Taylor played to 37, never had a significant injury. Played for peanuts the last few years. Terrell Suggs played to 36. Played for pecans his last 5 seasons.

Ask Domanick Davis how fast things go downhill once you're bone on bone.
 
TheKDog said:
He's 26 and I expect him to get paid over $20m for his prime
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The scenario was insurance for FUTURE lost earnings AFTER a franchise tag season. So he'd be 27.5 meaning a 5 yeat deal ends at 32.5. Go with $100 mil for that. He ain't getting anything close to that for 32.5 to 37.5.

I like him but let him walk for $20 mil.
 
Nobody is taking the market into account. You see a black and white number and get sticker shock. When JJ signed his deal it was the biggest in NFL history and now it’s a value contract. As profits for owners go up so does the cap and so will player salaries. Won’t pay the market price for your own guy in his prime over misplaced fears of some future injury or him not “being the best at his position” .. paralysis by analysis. Give JJ his raise too while you’re at it he’s earned it and you have the money, but they won’t. They will probably trade JJ before giving him a new deal and it would be good for JJ - he can go to an actual contender who knows what it takes to win meaningful football games.
 
infantrycak said:
The scenario was insurance for FUTURE lost earnings AFTER a franchise tag season. So he'd be 27.5 meaning a 5 yeat deal ends at 32.5. Go with $100 mil for that. He ain't getting anything close to that for 32.5 to 37.5.

I like him but let him walk for $20 mil.
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Ok so insurance would pay him $100 million plus if he gets a career ending injury this year?
 
JD should keep the names Henry Melton, Anthony Spencer (A real victim of microfracture and the inability to properly recover) , Earl Thomas and to a more tragic and less probable situation Ryan Shazier in his mind when playing under the franchise tag, insurance or not. I wouldnt be the least bit upset if JD held out and didnt play all year. The one year tag wouldnt be close to the guaranteed money he can make with a more interested team and he's gambling on himself in a big way - he's already played out his 5th year option which should be eliminated in the next CBA and now he's on the 1st of 2 franchise tags before someone will give him a long term deal? Crazy.
 
Uncle Rico said:
JD should keep the names Henry Melton, Anthony Spencer (A real victim of microfracture and the inability to properly recover) , Earl Thomas and to a more tragic and less probable situation Ryan Shazier in his mind when playing under the franchise tag, insurance or not. I wouldnt be the least bit upset if JD held out and didnt play all year. The one year tag wouldnt be close to the guaranteed money he can make with a more interested team and he's gambling on himself in a big way - he's already played out his 5th year option which should be eliminated in the next CBA and now he's on the 1st of 2 franchise tags before someone will give him a long term deal? Crazy.
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I wish we knew what the Texans were offering in terms of GTD money so we knew which side was crazy. I think they want a star that runs the room as JJ retires, like DHOP and DW do on the offensive side. Some of that money in their mind is for that leadership. So it could be that
Clowney wants Mack money or more, bad on Clowney
Texans know something about his injuries (wise to tag)
Texans want a star plus locker room leader (I get it, mixed opinion)
Texans trying to piss him off and make him reach his potential, then will pony up even higher (hmm, maybe??)
Texans are low balling (bad on Texans)

So I don't know who to be pissed at because both sides are keeping it hush which is a good idea, but public sentiment could swing if some real info got out. We paid JJ, Nuk and McKinney top of market deals at their time so something just sniffs bad
 
Rich Schmidt said:
I wish we knew what the Texans were offering in terms of GTD money so we knew which side was crazy. I think they want a star that runs the room as JJ retires, like DHOP and DW do on the offensive side. Some of that money in their mind is for that leadership. So it could be that
Clowney wants Mack money or more, bad on Clowney
Texans know something about his injuries (wise to tag)
Texans want a star plus locker room leader (I get it, mixed opinion)
Texans trying to piss him off and make him reach his potential, then will pony up even higher (hmm, maybe??)
Texans are low balling (bad on Texans)

So I don't know who to be pissed at because both sides are keeping it hush which is a good idea, but public sentiment could swing if some real info got out. We paid JJ, Nuk and McKinney top of market deals at their time so something just sniffs bad
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Fair assessment!

- I dont think JD wants more money than Mack, but if 140M/90 Guaranteed is the ceiling for a deal then why not just offer him something that the team feels is fair? Maybe what they feel is 'fair' is way below market value? There is nobody who understands inflation in that room? They dont want JD making more money than JJ?
- I wouldnt hold too much stock in what Texans team doctors believe or think will happen. Those quacks have botched more than a few diagnosis' and rushed players back before they needed to be most flagrant being the Tom Savage "Lobster Claw Concussion" game.
- Star part is a subjective statement, JD has been a pro bowler for 3 straight years and is one of the games most ferocious run defenders, unfortunately for him NFL casuals and sports reporters love sexy pass rushing stats so he's deemed 'not as good', and as far as a leader; how many times has Clowney been in trouble? How many interviews has he given where he was a complete jerk? How many times has he thrown players and coaches under the bus? Shoot to me he's a great leader and locker room guy- he keeps his head down, mouth shut and keeps grinding.
- "Piss him off" is not how you involve the 'human element' in my opinion, I know OBrien is a big RAH RAH guy, cussing, spitting and pissing vinegar, but there needs to be a better understanding and handling of the players as humans and not just items. Thinking only of what benefits the teams and never creating a connection with guys is a hollow way to be a fan - JUST MY OPINION - before the torches and pitchforks come out.
- Low balling is probably at the bottom of the character flaws the TExans front office seems to exhibit far too frequently.

Its a ticking time bomb .. I praise both sides too. Cringed like crazy when I hear that Gainie wanted to sign Clowney, but its Obrien who doesnt want him there, did anyone even talk to Romeo Crennel? OBrien has a hard enough time coaching up his offense, now he wants to stick his finger into the defense? Like you Im happy they can keep it civil, but there is no long term deal here for Clowney, he will not resign here hopefully he doesnt get hurt on the franchise tag, can build up his stock even more and then maybe the Texans can get a higher draft pick in next years cycle.
 
TheKDog said:
I'm just curious how it works and if he will get his full value or if he gets just a portion
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It depends on the policy he buys, but generally there is no discount %. It is what he can prove. So the floor would be whatever the Texans have offered. Above that he'd be greatly assisted if other teams have discussed terms but just couldn't get a trade worked out. Lacking that he'd have to argue comps. Speculation won't fly.
 
I heard the Texans put several offers on the table and Clowney and Co declined each one of them.

Disclaimer: there is no link to provide. Just heard it from a dude that's close to a few players on the team.
 
infantrycak said:
There were rumors of the Bills offering 1.9 & Lions offering 1.8.
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I never thought any of those sources were legitimate. First, Clowney would have needed to agree to a long term deal with one if those teams. I don’t think he wants to go to Detroit or Buffalo.
 
Lucky said:
I never thought any of those sources were legitimate. First, Clowney would have needed to agree to a long term deal with one if those teams. I don’t think he wants to go to Detroit or Buffalo.
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I think Clowney wants to go where the payday is. He doesn't strike me as the type to lake less money to win a championship.
 
Rich Schmidt said:
So I don't know who to be pissed at because both sides are keeping it hush which is a good idea, but public sentiment could swing if some real info got out. We paid JJ, Nuk and McKinney top of market deals at their time so something just sniffs bad
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Maybe the Texans are finally being smart about extending a player with extensive and degenerative, if not recent, injury history. JDC has pretty much mirrored what CnD said he would do. He'll look good and stay healthy for a few years then fall off a cliff suddenly. IMO, JDC is approaching that cliff sooner rather than later.
 
DocBar said:
I think Clowney wants to go where the payday is. He doesn't strike me as the type to lake less money to win a championship.
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More power to him. I hope he gets everything he wants. A Super Bowl MVP. A HOF career. Whatever he wants.

But we can't be the team that pays him for what he wants to be.

It's not my money. But we're so far from a Super Bowl it doesn't make sense to pay players for who they think they are.

He's among the TFL leaders. Great. But TFL leaders don't get sack leader contracts from well run teams.

Pay him, I'm not saying don't. Just not top 5 sack leader money. I really don't want to see JD as the man. If he's a team's only pass rush I just don't see him dominating like a Khalil Mack.

Just don't see it.
 
DocBar said:
Maybe the Texans are finally being smart about extending a player with extensive and degenerative, if not recent, injury history. JDC has pretty much mirrored what CnD said he would do. He'll look good and stay healthy for a few years then fall off a cliff suddenly. IMO, JDC is approaching that cliff sooner rather than later.
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https://www.footballoutsiders.com/ramblings/2007/microfracture-nfl

Before his attempted return from microfracture surgery on his left knee was cut short (at least temporarily) by an ACL tear in his other knee, Seattle Seahawks defensive tackle Marcus Tubbs was asked during training camp about the history of the microfracture procedure.

"I know people in basketball that have had it," Tubbs answered. "I haven't heard of anybody in football getting it. I can't say it hasn't happened but I don't know of it."

As Tubbs' answer indicates, microfracture has had a higher profile in the NBA, where All-Stars Penny Hardaway, Chris Webber and Amaré Stoudemire have all had highly visible surgeries. That isn't likely to change after No. 1 overall pick Greg Oden underwent a microfracture procedure two weeks ago, likely sidelining him for the entirety of his rookie season.

At the same time, microfracture continues to become important in the NFL. We have been reminded of that so far this season as Tubbs, Kellen Winslow, Jeremy Newberry, Amon Gordon and Matt Lepsis have all returned or attempted to return from the procedure. (Jacksonville's Marcus Stroud is another notable player returning from microfracture, though in this case the procedure was on his ankle, not on the knee as with the vast majority of patients.) Meanwhile, Dallas receiver Terry Glenn decided against a microfracture that would have ended his season and possibly his career, opting instead to try another arthroscopy on his right knee.

Earlier this year, I researched a comprehensive list of microfractures in the NBA that I drew upon to write a column featuring Stoudemire that ultimately argued the procedure has improved to the point where relatively full recovery is possible.

Inspired by the mystery that surrounds microfracture in the NFL, I decided to extend that same study to football. Tubbs might be surprised to learn that I found 61 surgeries I believe to have been microfractures in the NFL, dating as far back as 1986, when microfracture pioneer Dr. Richard Steadman was introducing the procedure. By contrast, I have identified only 30 microfracture procedures in the NBA in that span.

To truly understand the impact microfracture procedures have had, it's important to look at the entire population of players, not merely the cherry-picked examples that are trotted out whenever microfracture is brought up. It's also important to keep in mind the circumstances of each procedure. For example, 1998 NFL MVP Terrell Davis had microfracture surgery on his left knee in September 2002 after two other surgeries on that knee and suffering a torn right ACL. The microfracture was a last effort to return to the NFL and it was little surprise that Davis did not succeed. Many players who undergo microfracture procedures show signs of arthritis or, like Davis, have previously undergone multiple other procedures.

Click here to see the list of all 61 procedures (on a total of 56 players; at least five had two microfractures). I've included the dates of surgery and when the player got back on the field, seasons and games played after the procedure (through Week 1 of this season) as well as some key notes.

From studying the list and going through the process of researching it, I've drawn some tentative conclusions.

Two keys to returning from microfracture in the NBA, age and the progress made with the surgery, don't carry over to the NFL.
While the same microfracture procedure pioneered on NFL players quickly spread to the NBA, the two sports put very different demands on athletes. Football players must deal with an intensely physical sport that requires frequent contact, often between players much larger than all but the most behemoth basketball players. By contrast, NBA players are constantly in motion and put stress on their knees by jumping repeatedly. Because of the difference between the sports, I've had to throw out two of the key takeaways I've noted in the NBA: the importance of the age of the player and the improvement in recovery as the procedure has been perfected. Neither of these trends are nearly as strong in the NFL, if true at all.

Stunningly, some of the most successful microfracture patients seem to be some of the earliest. The available evidence points to Hall of Famer Dan Marino having microfracture in 1986, just three years into his Hall of Fame career. Though Marino had not missed a start the previous two seasons, he had undergone multiple operations on his left knee after injuring it at Pitt. More surgeries followed, but Marino was able to play on the knee for 17 seasons. Rod Woodson apparently underwent a microfracture procedure in April 1991. Despite rehab and a holdout that lasted until late August, he was in the starting lineup for the Steelers' opener and played 13 more years in the NFL.

The most successful 1990s return from microfracture might be much more obscure, however. Lepsis, a tight end at Colorado, suffered a knee injury in the 1997 Senior Bowl and underwent microfracture shortly thereafter. Lepsis hooked on with the hometown Broncos, was moved to tackle, and missed only one start between 1999 and 2005. (When Lepsis ran into knee problems last year, it was his other knee; he tore his ACL and underwent microfracture on that knee as well.)

Obviously age isn't a positive factor for returning from microfracture, but several players 30 or older have made successful comebacks, led by Bruce Smith. The long-time Bills defensive end had microfracture surgery in February 1998 at age 34. He returned to play six more seasons and earn his final trip to the Pro Bowl. Tom Nalen underwent the procedure in conjunction with repairing a torn ACL at age 31 in November 2002 and has started every Denver game since returning the following season.

Fifteen players have undergone a microfracture in their 30s. Five of them failed to return to the field, but eight of the 21 players to undergo a microfracture at 25 or younger have never returned. Younger players have averaged more games after surgery -- 33.7 to 26.3, not counting players who are just returning this season.

It is extremely rare for a non-established starter to successfully return from a microfracture.
While many starting-caliber players have been able to return to that role after undergoing a microfracture, reserves often see their career come to an end. Charlie Batch is the most notable exception to this rule. Younger players like Gordon, Lepsis and DeShaun Foster have also been able to improve after getting on to the field, but players who are established backups have not been so fortunate.

Microfracture procedures are overwhelmingly common for linemen.
Earlier, I referenced the 300-pound lineman caveat. As it turns out, linemen -- both offensive and defensive -- are overrepresented in the group that has had microfractures. The weight they put on their knees makes them particularly vulnerable to cartilage damage. Thirty-one of the 61 procedures I have identified were performed on linemen -- 15 on offensive linemen, 16 on defensive linemen. They are also surprisingly common for safeties (eight), while Patrick Jeffers is the only wide receiver to undergo a microfracture.

Despite this discrepancy, there doesn't seem to be a consistent relationship between player size and success in returning from a microfracture procedure.

Incidentally, I'm still trying to figure out how one-time NFL kicker Owen Pochman needed a microfracture on his non-kicking knee. You couldn't make that up.

The long-term impact of a microfracture remains somewhat uncertain.
One of the major question marks about microfracture is how long players can play on what is, essentially, "fake" cartilage -- not as strong as what the knee initially begins with. Only nine players have remained in the NFL for at least five seasons after undergoing a microfracture. It will be interesting to see how someone like Foster, who had a microfracture done at age 22, is able to hold up in the long term.

The Broncos have a lengthy microfracture history.
I probably shouldn't have been surprised to see Denver keep popping up on this list, given that Dr. Steadman practices in nearby Vail, and his partner, Dr. Richard Hawkins, has been the head team physician for the Broncos. Denver players account for 11 of the 61 procedures I have identified. It's possible that this could result from microfractures being more accurately identified due to the local media's familiarity with the procedure.

What might be more interesting is that the Broncos seem to be much more aggressive than other teams at signing free agents who are coming back from microfracture -- Lepsis (as an undrafted rookie), Gordon, Courtney Brown, Eddie Moore and Jacob Rogers have all signed with Denver; all but Brown first returned or attempted to return as Broncos. Lepsis has been a major success story for Denver, and Gordon has become a starter at defensive tackle this season
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https://www.healio.com/orthopedics/...rates-after-microfracture-varied-among-sports

After microfracture surgery, National Basketball Association athletes had a higher-than-average probability of return to play, but there was a decline in their performance and a reduced number of games played 1 season after surgery, according to presented results. However, by seasons two to three post-surgery, the reduction in games played was recoverable to baseline.

National Football League (NFL) players had the lowest probability of return to play, based on the results.

“The data from this study suggest that knee microfracture surgery has the potential to negatively impact postoperative performance and career longevity for professional athletes,” Michael S. Schallmo, BS,said. “We found that return rates, return times and performance-based outcomes following microfracture varied significantly depending on sport.”

Return to play after microfracture
Schallmo, Wellington K. Hsu, MD, and their colleagues identified 131 athletes who underwent primary, unilateral microfracture of the knee while on the active roster of the NFL, National Basketball Association (NBA), National Hockey League (NHL) or Major League Baseball (MLB). They calculated performance scores by sport using previously established scoring systems and compared players across different sports by adjusting for season and career length differences between sports, as well as by calculating percent change in performance.

“Successful return to play was defined as returning for at least one professional regular season game after surgery,” Schallmo said. “Return to play time was defined as the number of days elapsed between the date of surgery and date of first professional game back.”

Schallmo noted the average time to return to play was 293 days and a successful return to play occurred in 78.6% cases, which varied according to sport.

“Baseball players returned at a significantly higher rate than all other sports, and football players returned at a lower rate than all other sports,” he said during a presentation.

Players with a higher ratio of preoperative games started to games played were seven-times more likely to return to sport. Results among basketball players showed a significant reduction in adjusted games played in 1 season after surgery vs. the index season, according to Schallmo.

Survivorship, roster retention
“Survivorship analysis found 67% of players who successfully returned were expected to still be on professional rosters 1 season after surgery and 43% after 3 years with no significant differences between sports,” Schallmo said.

There was an overall median survival of 2.8 years after surgery with a significantly longer median survival among baseball players and a shorter mean survival among football players, he said.

A significant decrease in performance during postoperative season one was found among baseball and basketball players, according to Schallmo, who said there was a continued decrease in performance during postoperative seasons two and three seen for basketball players.

“Notably, football players, who comprised the greatest proportion of athletes in this study, did not show a significant reduction in performance after returning,” Schallmo said.

Schallmo noted these findings contrast with findings of ACL reconstruction in athletes in which football players had significantly reduced performance up to 3 years after ACL reconstruction compared with basketball players who recovered to baseline 2 years after ACL reconstruction.

“These differences highlight the potential impact of sport on postoperative expectations after different operations of the knee,” he said. “The daily collisions of American football players may place greater stress on an ACL-reconstructed knee compared to one with microfracture, while running on grass or turf may lead to a lower risk of symptoms from an osteochondral defect,” Schallmo said. – by Casey Tingle
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JD is 5 years removed from microfracture, and coming off his 3rd consecutive Pro Bowl campaign. Saying he's "approaching a cliff" makes no sense.
 
thunderkyss said:
More power to him. I hope he gets everything he wants. A Super Bowl MVP. A HOF career. Whatever he wants.

But we can't be the team that pays him for what he wants to be.

It's not my money. But we're so far from a Super Bowl it doesn't make sense to pay players for who they think they are.

He's among the TFL leaders. Great. But TFL leaders don't get sack leader contracts from well run teams.

Pay him, I'm not saying don't. Just not top 5 sack leader money. I really don't want to see JD as the man. If he's a team's only pass rush I just don't see him dominating like a Khalil Mack.

Just don't see it.
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You mean like 2017? I agree
 
infantrycak said:
What part of degenerative do you not comprehend?
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the part where you are saying JD can not keep playing at a high level for more than 5 more years or are going to argue semantics again about what is going to happen past this mega contract time of coverage? Are you going to say he will definitely get hurt next year? Year after? After the big contract? Some time down the line where he is already declining? When? Since you and Cloak and all these other dudes seem to have a fair grasp on life expectancy of that knee.

I say JD will play a full career with many more accolades and all of you guys will only have to say "Im glad I was wrong" .. simple as that.
 
TheKDog said:
If the Texans have determined his knee is falling off a cliff then they shouldn't even offer him a contract at LB. They should trade him.
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That's just it they may have tried but there were no takers. Me personally I think they planned to but then when they tested the market they weren't getting near the bites they thought they should for a first all-rounder, multiple all pro. Likewise I don't think the market is as good as Clowney thought/thinks it is. Would another team like to have him, of course they would but for a guy like Clowney it would have to be a team that felt he was the final piece needed for a real run. Only two teams I can think of that might look at him that way is KC and the Colts, most of the rest would want a play maker on offense.
 
maverick512000 said:
That's just it they may have tried but there were no takers. Me personally I think they planned to but then when they tested the market they weren't getting near the bites they thought they should for a first all-rounder, multiple all pro. Likewise I don't think the market is as good as Clowney thought/thinks it is.
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Clowney has never been All Pro. Mack has 3 times.
 
maverick512000 said:
That's just it they may have tried but there were no takers. Me personally I think they planned to but then when they tested the market they weren't getting near the bites they thought they should for a first all-rounder, multiple all pro. Likewise I don't think the market is as good as Clowney thought/thinks it is. Would another team like to have him, of course they would but for a guy like Clowney it would have to be a team that felt he was the final piece needed for a real run. Only two teams I can think of that might look at him that way is KC and the Colts, most of the rest would want a play maker on offense.
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I read somewhere on Facebook that there were 6 teams interested in trading for the big fella.
 
Uncle Rico said:
I say JD will play a full career with many more accolades and all of you guys will only have to say "Im glad I was wrong" .. simple as that.
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And I say I hope you are 100% correct and therefor I hope JD has the kind of longevity in his NFL career that Terrell Suggs does who last time I checked was still playing
LB in the NFL while somewhere in his mid 30s.
When C&D spoke all subjects & topics medical I listened and paid attention and I think he might be the first to say he hopes he's somehow wrong bout Clowney.
 
badboy said:
Cnnnd has always qualified his medical opinions\comments hoping the player does well.
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Absolutely !
I recall he even expressed admiration for Clowney making it back after the micro surgery and the very difficult and challenging rehab.
Oh yea C&D was always in JDs corner but I believe he remained basically pessimistic about his longer-term viability in the NFL because of the injury history.
 
Uncle Rico said:
the part where you are saying JD can not keep playing at a high level for more than 5 more years or are going to argue semantics again about what is going to happen past this mega contract time of coverage? Are you going to say he will definitely get hurt next year? Year after? After the big contract? Some time down the line where he is already declining? When? Since you and Cloak and all these other dudes seem to have a fair grasp on life expectancy of that knee.

I say JD will play a full career with many more accolades and all of you guys will only have to say "Im glad I was wrong" .. simple as that.
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There is no way the Texans can pay JD more than Watt. JD isn't the game-changer Watt is on a consistent enough basis. Combine that with the "hope and a prayer" knee and I'm still all for tagging him for two years and letting him walk. Or hobble, as the case may be.
 
Just speculation::::: Prediction

https://houston.sportsmap.com/top-10-trades-for-jadeveon-clowney?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1

Why the 49ers could trade for Jadeveon Clowney


The 49ers are $31.5 million under the salary cap for the 2019 season. The landscape gets tougher for 2020 but with the amount remaining, for this season, they can rollover cap space to help out the following season.

It may not make sense on the service to trade for and pay a pass rusher like Clowney, considering that they've used first round picks on the defensive line in 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2019, along with trading a second round pick in 2020 for Dee Ford. Once you dig deeper, there's a method to my madness on a 49ers / Texans trade.

49ers Receive: Jadeveon Clowney

Texans Receive: Solomon Thomas, Jason Verrett and San Francisco's 2020 First Round Pick

Bucs Receive: Jadeveon Clowney

Texans Receive: Noah Spence and Tampa Bay's 2020 First Round Pick

Jets Receive: Jadeveon Clowney

Texans Receive: New York Jets' 2020 First Round Pick + 2020 Sixth Round Pick (One acquired from Chiefs in Darron Lee trade) and 2021 Second Round Pick

Cardinals receive Jadeveon Clowney
Texans receive Patrick Peterson + 2020 Second Round Pick and 2020 Fifth Round Pick (from Rosen trade)


Washington receives Jadeveon Clowney
Houston received Trent Williams + Chris Thompson + 2020 Third Round Pick and 2021 First Round Pick




 
Texansballer74 said:
Just speculation::::: Prediction

https://houston.sportsmap.com/top-10-trades-for-jadeveon-clowney?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1

Why the 49ers could trade for Jadeveon Clowney


The 49ers are $31.5 million under the salary cap for the 2019 season. The landscape gets tougher for 2020 but with the amount remaining, for this season, they can rollover cap space to help out the following season.

It may not make sense on the service to trade for and pay a pass rusher like Clowney, considering that they've used first round picks on the defensive line in 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2019, along with trading a second round pick in 2020 for Dee Ford. Once you dig deeper, there's a method to my madness on a 49ers / Texans trade.

49ers Receive: Jadeveon Clowney

Texans Receive: Solomon Thomas, Jason Verrett and San Francisco's 2020 First Round Pick

Bucs Receive: Jadeveon Clowney

Texans Receive: Noah Spence and Tampa Bay's 2020 First Round Pick

Jets Receive: Jadeveon Clowney

Texans Receive: New York Jets' 2020 First Round Pick + 2020 Sixth Round Pick (One acquired from Chiefs in Darron Lee trade) and 2021 Second Round Pick

Cardinals receive Jadeveon Clowney
Texans receive Patrick Peterson + 2020 Second Round Pick and 2020 Fifth Round Pick (from Rosen trade)


Washington receives Jadeveon Clowney
Houston received Trent Williams + Chris Thompson + 2020 Third Round Pick and 2021 First Round Pick
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I'd trade JD straight up for Peterson.
 
I would be surprised if someone actually traded a first round pick for him. I think for that to happen some contender would have to lose their best pass rusher in pre season and panic.
 
We'll take one last year of service and then jettison him for cap and a compensatory pick.

The only way that changes is someone new on the team goes absolutely mean joe green throughout preseason and the first 2-3 games.

Don't forget, our HC is playing for his job and now also a defacto gm. Jd this year is worth more then a 1st rd pick plus to him next year. He might not be here next year and he knows it.
 
DocBar said:
There is no way the Texans can pay JD more than Watt. JD isn't the game-changer Watt is on a consistent enough basis. Combine that with the "hope and a prayer" knee and I'm still all for tagging him for two years and letting him walk. Or hobble, as the case may be.
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When Watt was signed he was the "highest paid defensive player in history" .. since then there have been like 10 other "highest paid" guys (hyperbole I didnt look it up) due to the way the salary cap is expanding and how much revenue the owners are enjoying and in turn it trickles down to the players. I would say that JJ Watt deserves a raise now that he has "proven it again" since not only two years ago MANY MANY fans, even alot of guys here at TT doubted he would ever return to form. So give him his raise, and then pay JD what the market is for a player with his talent. The team has the money. What are you saving it for? To accumulate interest? To keep signing aging vets who are hurt and attack the problem with quantity over quality? This team is known as the "value shopper" - dollar general mentality and then you wonder why it hardly ever works out. Same approach with Bouye "grr grr he aint worth it we will be fine without him - boop drops an all pro season for JAX in his first season. LOL. Somehow we get lucky and get a HUGE season from KJax to make up for the loss and then what happens? "nahhh KJAX aint worth the extra million per year, I'll just pay Roby 10Ms for his prove it year and then let him walk too" .. its an insane approach to roster retention and free agency acquisition.

He's going to sprint into a 120M dollar contract and keep being a problem for opponents and you guys can keep playing Junior GM with Cals money saving it for the next Ed Reed and crying about these "millionaires want too damn much money!!"
 
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