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Brian Gaine Fired
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Porky
Hall of Fame
Casserio appears to be choice one, two, and three.
With that said, it would seem to me that if he is your man, you'd at least send out feelers prior to summarily dismissing the current GM.
You want to make sure that first - he's got a high level of interest. And secondly, you do your due diligence and see if the Pats would make him available.
Given that we're now 4 plus days from the axe dropping, and we still don't even have word of a Casserio interview, this seems like a guy that blew his top and prematurely axed his current GM.
It's one thing to put your foot down, demand accountability and demand results. It's another to lose your temper and act in an impulsive manner.
The first thing is something that has been sorely lacking. But if it's the second one, he needs to reign that in. Good businessmen never make major rash decisions while angry. You sleep on it - then when you're clear-minded you move forward AFTER identifying target #1 for the open position and contacting him and seeing if the interest is mutual.
This feels like the horse before the carriage to me.
With that said, it would seem to me that if he is your man, you'd at least send out feelers prior to summarily dismissing the current GM.
You want to make sure that first - he's got a high level of interest. And secondly, you do your due diligence and see if the Pats would make him available.
Given that we're now 4 plus days from the axe dropping, and we still don't even have word of a Casserio interview, this seems like a guy that blew his top and prematurely axed his current GM.
It's one thing to put your foot down, demand accountability and demand results. It's another to lose your temper and act in an impulsive manner.
The first thing is something that has been sorely lacking. But if it's the second one, he needs to reign that in. Good businessmen never make major rash decisions while angry. You sleep on it - then when you're clear-minded you move forward AFTER identifying target #1 for the open position and contacting him and seeing if the interest is mutual.
This feels like the horse before the carriage to me.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
They actually did, Jack Easterby. When he returned shortly thereafter Gaine was let go.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Haha, he was first choice before Gaine but Texans denied interview. Once they added Easterby he apparently had Cal’s ear and made another attempt. Guess we’ll know if successful or not in a few days.
banned1976
sleeper mode
If this is a dumpster fire, the Texans have no shot at hiring anyone with qualifications matching that of a high level executive with immense football knowledge. According to some, that would make Caserio a match for this dumpster fire.
Bottom line is, if you say this is not an appealing job, the chances of the Texans hiring a great candidate is slim. So what loser should the Texans hire for GM? Caserio or someone with even less experience? Who might that be?
Whoever it is, there are going to be fans unhappy no matter what. Some of them are even active members of this board.
I think it would be a more attractive job if you let a new guy come in and remake the whole front office and coaching staff before a draft .Whether this guy is a hc or a gm, give him a clean slate right after the season ends.
This is weird timing. You are tying a guy to obrien and to this off-season
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Lots of reports saying patriots haven’t responded to the request to interview Caserio.
Wait.....what? He was the first choice even though he didn't even interview for the position?
If that's true, ya'll have the most incompetent front office in the history of sports.
Easterby is the guy with the juice. Hired on April 2nd to give Cal his opinion of where the org is. Then moves started happening.
This should tell you how much juice Easterby has.
I'm glad we have a non football guy in charge of the juice
You should be,
From what I've read is like Luhnow/Morey atleast that's what I read those who worked with him seemed to be saying.
He's an analytics guy?
Chris
Waterboy
I think Fitterer would be a good choice
This sounds like some kind of stupid (or trollish) statement. Which are you?
zshawn10
All Pro
Pancakes here says that there could be a scenario where the pats could get the league to look into the Texans tampering with Caserio and make them give up a first rounder as compensation
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp... (Mobile)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp... (Mobile)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
McClain is once again FOS, starting with the comment that Caserio is de facto GM of the Patriots
From what I heard on the firing of Gaine
Not happy with developments on the OL or the CB situation in the draft or free agency. Drafting a project in the first round when they needed immediate help.
The failure to come to terms with Clowney and get him extended is a big deal.
Not happy with developments on the OL or the CB situation in the draft or free agency. Drafting a project in the first round when they needed immediate help.
The failure to come to terms with Clowney and get him extended is a big deal.
I have a friend that used to work with the Texans. When Gaine was first hired one of the things my buddy said was Gaine was extremely frugal and he worried that it might be an issue. Looking over his tenure you can see that this was a problem. You do have to be smart with how you spend money given the salary cap, however what good does it do to have a ton of cap space when you have glaring holes at important positions.
One of my big issues with Gaine was his reliance on players coming off injury, especially at important positions. Henderson and Khalil come to mind. It seems if he was looking for bargains in the scratch and dent department. Given that your best ability is availability, this never sat well with me. I understand relying on guys like Watt, Clowney and Fuller despite injury issues because they are absolute game changers when healthy. Khalil and Henderson are middling to maybe slightly over average at their best
In listening to some of the Caserio’s comments on building a roster, I’m hopeful he is our next GM
One of my big issues with Gaine was his reliance on players coming off injury, especially at important positions. Henderson and Khalil come to mind. It seems if he was looking for bargains in the scratch and dent department. Given that your best ability is availability, this never sat well with me. I understand relying on guys like Watt, Clowney and Fuller despite injury issues because they are absolute game changers when healthy. Khalil and Henderson are middling to maybe slightly over average at their best
In listening to some of the Caserio’s comments on building a roster, I’m hopeful he is our next GM
A "tampering" case might be made with Easterby since he was up in NE recently and returned not long before Gaine was fired. It's not hard to "connect the dots" with this one!
Mangler
Toro de España
I’m sure Esterby has it covered. I doubt he did anything that would hurt his chances in obtaining the GM he thinks will get us to where we only dream of getting to. Belichic and Kraft can try to get us for something, but I doubt they will. I just hope they can’t block the Caserio interview!
I wish I had your confidence that Easterby did nothing wrong but it won't take much for the Pats ("Belicheat" and Kraft) to take the slightest little thing, like both Easterby and Caserio were seen talking together at the awards ceremony last week, and run with it! They may be getting the paperwork ready to file with the League Office now! If Caserio is half as good as they say he is then I expect "Belicheat" and Kraft to throw everything they have at trying to stop him from leaving. Even if it's just stall tactics to just wear down the other team and make them look elsewhere for their GM. This is the Patriots. And, at least since "Belicheat" has been there, they have been caught cheating or "bending the rules" a few times. So, I hope Cal, and Easterby, and BOB are ready and they don't take a knife to a gunfight!
Toro Bravo
Rookie
I agree with this^^^. It seems to me that if the Pats are that dependent on Caserio, the way to keep him is to give him the title of GM. I'm sure Belichick would love that.
Call/Easterby are thinking along the same lines I am.l if this is true.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Championship!
Yep, hopefully you are right
If I was in BB's shoes I would do everything I could to retain him, or get compensated for losing him.
I would've loved to have been "a fly on the wall" in those Front Offices the last few days!
Pharaohcious
Waterboy
I would love to be a fly on the wall NOW!
The Clowney situation is anything but cut & dried, but rather it's a real conundrum.
We know that JD is tremendously talented and very valuable to the team, to any team but then there's the injury history which really complicates it and makes it
extremely difficult to assess his market-contract value so it's understandable that the team and Clowney/his agent are struggling to come to a meeting of the minds.
On the Draft, well many of us remain puzzled why BG didn't move up in the first round even if it were to cost an additional third-round pick if they could have got what appears to be a plug-and-play LT who could start for us immediately in September covering DW4's blind-side as opposed to drafting a small school guy who will need significant preparation & development before he's ready to start no matter how high his ceiling.
Who was the plug and play LT?
Texas Jake
Rookie
Not advocating for Rick, but OB was the one who pushed for jaelen strong when our scouting Department was high on David Johnson. Hindsight being 20-20, we did have Arian on the roster coming off a 1200 yard season and jaelen had a similar fall to Justin Reid
That's why I asked who was the plug and play. Plug and play LT's don't fall to the 20's
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
links please sir.
Sounds like an OB pick. Height weight speed. Too bad he couldnt run routes.
Texian
Hall of Fame
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Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Easterby's former titles include "character" coach & it is rumored that he left NE in part b/c of Kraft's legal issues. So while i don't put anything past anyone, this guy seems as if he's as straight an arrow as there is. Apart from that, tampering is 1 of the dumbest rules in the NFL. It'd be 1 thing if he had no cause to be up at the NE ring ceremony...but he did. Also, there'd be no reason for him to "tamper" with Caserio at the event when he could've just called him up over the phone, or visited him at his home or any number of things that friends do.
So...outside of texts, email or some other form of verifiable medium, it'll be extremely hard for Beli & co. to prove tampering. Someone said it up thread though, it could be used as a stall tactic by beli....drag it out until the Texans FO are forced to move on.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Of course he does.......b/c his post aligns with what you believe....what a coincidence.
Regarding trading up for Strong:
"If we really like a player and we have conviction on this player, like we know we have a consensus that the scouting staff and the coaching staff like this player, we have a vision, we know where this guy is going to fit, let's go get him," O'Brien said recently in a season ticket holder conference call. "So if we feel like we're going to lose him, let's trade up and go get him."
Arizona State's Strong was still on the board in the third round. He was a player who'd visited NRG Stadium in the pre-draft process, and a wide receiver many Draft pundits believed to be a first round talent. So general manager Rick Smith was on the phone again for a trade, sending receiver DeVier Posey and picks in the 3rd (82nd), 5th (152nd) and the Cleveland 7th (229) to the Jets for their 3rd rounder (70th overall).
It was an aggressive second day of the Draft, and O'Brien liked it.
"I don't know if that's been done a lot around here before," O'Brien said. "But I give Rick credit, he did it. He did it twice, and we were able to get some good players. Again, those guys need to go out and play now. But we feel good about where they are."
https://www.battleredblog.com/2015/5/19/8626431/texans-2015-nfl-draft-trades-explained-by-obrien
"If we really like a player and we have conviction on this player, like we know we have a consensus that the scouting staff and the coaching staff like this player, we have a vision, we know where this guy is going to fit, let's go get him," O'Brien said recently in a season ticket holder conference call. "So if we feel like we're going to lose him, let's trade up and go get him."
Arizona State's Strong was still on the board in the third round. He was a player who'd visited NRG Stadium in the pre-draft process, and a wide receiver many Draft pundits believed to be a first round talent. So general manager Rick Smith was on the phone again for a trade, sending receiver DeVier Posey and picks in the 3rd (82nd), 5th (152nd) and the Cleveland 7th (229) to the Jets for their 3rd rounder (70th overall).
It was an aggressive second day of the Draft, and O'Brien liked it.
"I don't know if that's been done a lot around here before," O'Brien said. "But I give Rick credit, he did it. He did it twice, and we were able to get some good players. Again, those guys need to go out and play now. But we feel good about where they are."
https://www.battleredblog.com/2015/5/19/8626431/texans-2015-nfl-draft-trades-explained-by-obrien
zshawn10
All Pro
According to McClain on 610 right now, they knew there was a chance they wouldn’t land Caserio when they fired Gaine, it was never some backdoor deal that Caserio said he would come so they fired Gaine. Cal thought it was time to move on and thats that really. If you hire someone to evaluate your business, and then they tell you someone as vital as a GM is to a football team isn’t pulling his weight, but then you leave the guy there anyways then it’s on you when the business fails isn’t it?
Also apparently the Patriots are currently trying to give Caserio the McDaniel’s treatment, they had him over at Kraft’s house with BB yesterday, and all that jazz. But he stays is it the end of the world? not even close, McClain just said he has had a handful of NFL execs reach out to him trying to feel out if it’s a legit GM job, or a job only by title and OB would actually be in charge. Derrick Anderson last night said he has talked with at least 15 high ranking NFL personnel guys who are interested in the job here, despite us only giving Gaine 17 months.
Also apparently the Patriots are currently trying to give Caserio the McDaniel’s treatment, they had him over at Kraft’s house with BB yesterday, and all that jazz. But he stays is it the end of the world? not even close, McClain just said he has had a handful of NFL execs reach out to him trying to feel out if it’s a legit GM job, or a job only by title and OB would actually be in charge. Derrick Anderson last night said he has talked with at least 15 high ranking NFL personnel guys who are interested in the job here, despite us only giving Gaine 17 months.
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So it would be another yes man
Really old quotes... can't you find something more recent to hate on?
http://walterfootball.com/draft2019charlie_3.php#ovrl_86
Go to the 3rd round pick if it doesn’t already populate. This is coming from casserly so take it for what you will
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
That one thing he forgot to ask.