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badboy said:
Exactly. Bell should be better than Miller stat wise for sure. IIRC, Miller 2019 last contract year. What if he does what Bell did and sits out 19 or leaves as FA after? Texans have cap space for Bell and Miller
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I really can't see Texans paying two high profile backs.
They drafted Foreman for that reason and if he is no good, I would not be surprised in the least if they dip fairly high up in the next draft again before they pay a premium for another frontline back.
I can see them paying for a Left tackle or CB though.
 
Texansphan said:
I really can't see Texans paying two high profile backs.
They drafted Foreman for that reason and if he is no good, I would not be surprised in the least if they dip fairly high up in the next draft again before they pay a premium for another frontline back.
I can see them paying for a Left tackle or CB though.
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why not? Miller looking pro bowl and Bell has been even better. There are no LT. Even if magically one popped out of a rabbit, we still have cap $. RBs can wear out faster than other spots. Use draft to get position not avail in FA. 100 million contract doesn't = player getting all. We should look for to replace Miller eventually and Blue sooner the better. Rotation on plays keeps guy longer.
 
badboy said:
why not? Miller looking pro bowl and Bell has been even better. There are no LT. Even if magically one popped out of a rabbit, we still have cap $. RBs can wear out faster than other spots. Use draft to get position not avail in FA. 100 million contract doesn't = player getting all. We should look for to replace Miller eventually and Blue sooner the better. Rotation on plays keeps guy longer.
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I wouldn't be against it - Bell and Miller back there would be a dangerous duo.
Can it happen this far into the season - I thought not..?
If they don't do it this season, there will be a bidding war in the off and Texans won't be party to that. Or they'll lose out to a higher bidder.
If they haven't done it yet, it won't happen.
Imho.
 
badboy said:
free agency contract in off season to impact Texans: Compare DeAndre Hopkins to Le'veon Bell Steelers. *Note the stats comparison is for 2017 as Bell holding out.

Bell RB/WR DOB Feb 18 1992 enters 2019 season @27 YOA but no NFL pounding this year.

Rushing= 321/1291 @ 4.0 avg and 9 TDs receiving 85/655 @ 7.7 avg and 2 tds

Hopkins= DOB June 6 1992 enters 2019 season @ 27 YOA

Receiving = 961/1378 @ 14.4 and 13 TDs

Contract for Nuk was 5 years $81 million and $49 m guaranteed. Cap hit for '17 was $18 m & signing was $7.5m.

Possible for Bell 5 years $80 million and $40 m guaranteed. 2019 signing bonus $10 m prorates @ $2m /year.
Base salary $10 m + bonus giving him $20 m guaranteed and only a 12 cap hit.

Bell gets 20 million first year with a cap hit of $10 + 2 m (prorated)= $12 m cap hit. Repeat 2nd year with a roster bonus of $10 m + $10 m base to complete the $40 m guaranteed.

* I am not saying Bell is equal to Hopkins but his productivity would be pretty awesome on our roster with # 4 passing to him.
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I am refreshing this post to add to it and respond to Texansphan post in injury thread. We both got carried away posting there and should not. I'll edit after bring his post here to respond to.
 
Texansphan said:
I wouldn't be against it - Bell and Miller back there would be a dangerous duo.
Can it happen this far into the season - I thought not..?
If they don't do it this season, there will be a bidding war in the off and Texans won't be party to that. Or they'll lose out to a higher bidder.
If they haven't done it yet, it won't happen.
Imho.
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Moving this to my thread on "contracts" to get out of injury thread.
 
Texansphan said:
I wouldn't be against it - Bell and Miller back there would be a dangerous duo.
Can it happen this far into the season - I thought not..?
If they don't do it this season, there will be a bidding war in the off and Texans won't be party to that. Or they'll lose out to a higher bidder.
If they haven't done it yet, it won't happen.
Imho.
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Bell as I understand does not become Unrestricted FA until 2018 season completed. Yes there could be bidding war. Teams possibly needing RB and 2019 cap; Titans round 1 Damien Harris cap $26 m, round 2 Raiders David Montgomery cap $5 m, round 2 Colts $124 m can take Justice Hill, Eagles round 2 can take Miles Sanders & have negative $9 million (perhaps we should be looking at some of their vets). IMO, only Colts have mucho dinero to go after Bell and he tweeted that Luck was playing great, I'm not sure that means much at this time. Needs from various sources: WR, interior DLine (DE and DT), corner maybe 2 if best CB Desir leaves. I think Colts will get him back with huge contract. Perhaps a strong safety. IMO: round 1 WR 2. RB Damien Harris 5'11 220 very similar to Bell's stats, Benny Snell or David Montgomery same size 2. b CB

Colts are similar to Texans as they have good RB but Colts Mack younger than Miller with a Blue guy on roster if lighter.

So Colts with cash could go hard for Bell but recovering back Marlon Mack and his backups (none big) seem good for 2019. I don't see them going for Justice Hill with their team needs but maybe a lower round selecting a bruiser.
 
These contracts are getting more and more expensive as the season goes on...

Clowney 6/140
Matthieu 4/50
Jackson 3/21
Lamm 3/15

Say goodbye to Griffin, KJo.

Restructure DT for 3/20.
 
ung14 said:
These contracts are getting more and more expensive as the season goes on...

Clowney 6/140
Matthieu 4/50
Jackson 3/21
Lamm 3/15

Say goodbye to Griffin, KJo.

Restructure DT for 3/20.
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Where are you getting these numbers?
 
TexansBull said:
The only thing that makes me feel better about the whole Duane Brown debacle is that it probably helped Rick Smith’s departure.

Pretty obvious that a organization should jump at the possibility to lock someone up when they have the chance.
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Jags feeling really good about locking up Bortles
 
JB said:
Jags feeling really good about locking up Bortles
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I feel good about that decision too.

In fact I think everyone was feeling really good about that decision except Jag fans. They were like:

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Texans really in drivers seat with more $ than avail players; with recent wise contracts I think we will manage our own FAs well and not grossly overpay as we have in past. Hope we can get a CB in FA using our draft to strengthen our Online. A starting CB, Leveon Bell FAs and say 3-4 oline first three rounds would be amazing. I'm working on a backup QB also. We should go with only one now and maybe a developmental on P.S. opening another roster spot.
 
Draftwire is reporting (confirmed by Spotrac and OTC) most favorable cap space for NFL will be $191 million. *Note each has a small variance; same with 2018 roll over currently $20 million. Total I've been using is approximately $121 million with roughly $74 m for Houston 2019. This plus other moves should allow us to go aggressively after needs perhaps not attainable or are better options as with corners and perhaps OLB.
 
ubecool454 said:
Miller sucks? He is 3rd in the AFC and 8th in the league.
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I’m aware of how many yards he has.

:)

Outside of a couple big games, I stand behind my assertion. The Texans need someone consistent. Also one that can handle our o-line deficiencies a bit better. He isn’t a bread and butter type of back. He needs to split time otherwise he has a 3.7 per carry game.
 
NitroGSXR said:
I’m aware of how many yards he has.

:)

Outside of a couple big games, I stand behind my assertion. The Texans need someone consistent. Also one that can handle our o-line deficiencies a bit better. He isn’t a bread and butter type of back. He needs to split time otherwise he has a 3.7 per carry game.
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Here, let me give you the phone number of Red Grange. :)
 
steelbtexan said:
LOL,

Thanks for everything you do Doc.

It's gotta hurt some fans feelings (Not You) that Doc's right about 95% of the time. I hope he's wrong about Miller. With Blue as the main RB I dont see the Texans winning another game this season.
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This is when Buddy Howell will become the next Arian Foster. :texflag:
 
NitroGSXR said:
I’m aware of how many yards he has.

:)

Outside of a couple big games, I stand behind my assertion. The Texans need someone consistent. Also one that can handle our o-line deficiencies a bit better. He isn’t a bread and butter type of back. He needs to split time otherwise he has a 3.7 per carry game.
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Leveon Bell, perhaps? I’m starting to warm up to the idea of him coming to Houston and being our feature back. Some people have no idea how serious a torn Achilles really is. Now, I pray I’m wrong and he turns out to be everything we had hoped for prior to the ruptured Achilles, but I’m not holding my breath.
 
Mangler said:
Leveon Bell, perhaps? I’m starting to warm up to the idea of him coming to Houston and being our feature back. Some people have no idea how serious a torn Achilles really is. Now, I pray I’m wrong and he turns out to be everything we had hoped for prior to the ruptured Achilles, but I’m not holding my breath.
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Even in limited play rest of season, Foreman should give a sample of what we have. Bell allows him to have even more time to recover and Foreman could extend Bell's career taking some snaps.
 
badboy said:
Even in limited play rest of season, Foreman should give a sample of what we have. Bell allows him to have even more time to recover and Foreman could extend Bell's career taking some snaps.
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I’m cool with that, if it were to come to fruition. Or maybe Gaine can hit on a late round or undrafted free agent running back, (Foster 2.0) then even better for us.
 
Mangler said:
Leveon Bell, perhaps? I’m starting to warm up to the idea of him coming to Houston and being our feature back. Some people have no idea how serious a torn Achilles really is. Now, I pray I’m wrong and he turns out to be everything we had hoped for prior to the ruptured Achilles, but I’m not holding my breath.
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Bell is not coming to Houston. Texans' are not paying $17 million (what he wants) to a RB. Hell, not going to pay $$10-12 million to a 27 year old RB. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
 
Mangler said:
Leveon Bell, perhaps? I’m starting to warm up to the idea of him coming to Houston and being our feature back. Some people have no idea how serious a torn Achilles really is. Now, I pray I’m wrong and he turns out to be everything we had hoped for prior to the ruptured Achilles, but I’m not holding my breath.
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He’d be nice but we don’t necessarily need to find the best running back out there. We just need a decent one who can handle a full load.
 
NitroGSXR said:
He’d be nice but we don’t necessarily need to find the best running back out there. We just need a decent one who can handle a full load.
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So, more of the same? For years the front office thought we didn’t need a good offensive line to win, and how did that work out? For probably the same amount of time, the front office also thought we didn’t need a franchise qb to win. We now have a franchise qb but still no protection for him. How has that worked out?

Where am I going with this? Well, having an ok running back probably won’t help much behind this atrocious offensive line of ours. We need a GOOD running back! We already know what the Alfred Blues of the world will do behind our O-line. The front office’s MO seems to have rubbed off on many fans.
 
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Mr.Scarface said:
Bell is not coming to Houston. Texans' are not paying $17 million (what he wants) to a RB. Hell, not going to pay $$10-12 million to a 27 year old RB. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
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How do you know what Bell wants? He has not stated anything I'm aware of other than he wanted to be paid like Steelers' #1 RB and #2 WR. The $19 million he turned down was guaranteed money and that could be done over more than one season and include signing bonus. We are capping a 27 YOA Lamar Miller at $7 million this year and he ain't no Le'veon Bell.

NitroGSXR said:
He’d be nice but we don’t necessarily need to find the best running back out there. We just need a decent one who can handle a full load.
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Agreed but who that is the issue. We tried with Miller and until recently wasn't that great. Foreman was the guy and led college football in yardage his last year at UTX
 
badboy said:
Draftwire is reporting (confirmed by Spotrac and OTC) most favorable cap space for NFL will be $191 million. *Note each has a small variance; same with 2018 roll over currently $20 million. Total I've been using is approximately $121 million with roughly $74 m for Houston 2019. This plus other moves should allow us to go aggressively after needs perhaps not attainable or are better options as with corners and perhaps OLB.
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Just notice edit issue on bold above should be $191
 
Mangler said:
So, more of the same? For years the front office thought we didn’t need a good offensive line to win, and how did that work out? For probably the same amount of time, the front office also thought we didn’t need a franchise qb to win. We now have a franchise qb but still no protection for him. How has that worked out?

Where am I going with this? Well, having an ok running back probably won’t help much behind this atrocious offensive line of ours. The front office’s MO seems to have rubbed off on many fans, having them thinking the same way.
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I thought we were talking about signing Bell, not our o-line. That’s a different topic. FYI... I -do- think that’s where our #1 focus should be... fixing our damned o-line.

Back to the RB discussion... I don’t think it would be a “more of the same” type of scenario. Lamar Miller -cannot- operate with a full load. That is -not- what we need. We need somebody who can -routinely- catch, push back defenders 4-5 yards, block, etc... Big play be damned. I want first downs.
 
badboy said:
How do you know what Bell wants? He has not stated anything I'm aware of other than he wanted to be paid like Steelers' #1 RB and #2 WR. The $19 million he turned down was guaranteed money and that could be done over more than one season and include signing bonus. We are capping a 27 YOA Lamar Miller at $7 million this year and he ain't no Le'veon Bell.

Agreed but who that is the issue. We tried with Miller and until recently wasn't that great. Foreman was the guy and led college football in yardage his last year at UTX
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I've been with Bell coming to the Texans from the get-go. Miller has another season but Bell is going to sign with someone for 2019.

Can I get a show of hands on how many of you would like to see that over-priced 27 year old RB playing with the Colts or Jags next season?

I think Bell felt disrespected by the Steelers and made demands that would get him out of there. I would have no problem trading Miller once Bell was signed. Hopefully Foreman would be healthy enough so the team could get a good gauge on what he'd be capable of next season. I could sign Blue on the cheap but I'd let Blue walk if the Redskins release Samaje Perine b/c they re-signed Peterson.

I'd feel pretty good if the Texans had Bell, Foreman, Perine and a change of pace RB for 2019.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I've been with Bell coming to the Texans from the get-go. Miller has another season but Bell is going to sign with someone for 2019.

Can I get a show of hands on how many of you would like to see that over-priced 27 year old RB playing with the Colts or Jags next season?

I think Bell felt disrespected by the Steelers and made demands that would get him out of there. I would have no problem trading Miller once Bell was signed. Hopefully Foreman would be healthy enough so the team could get a good gauge on what he'd be capable of next season. I could sign Blue on the cheap but I'd let Blue walk if the Redskins release Samaje Perine b/c they re-signed Peterson.

I'd feel pretty good if the Texans had Bell, Foreman, Perine and a change of pace RB for 2019.
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The $$$$ spent on Bell would be better spent in FA on the CB position ot maybe a LT. IMHO
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I've been with Bell coming to the Texans from the get-go. Miller has another season but Bell is going to sign with someone for 2019.

Can I get a show of hands on how many of you would like to see that over-priced 27 year old RB playing with the Colts or Jags next season?

I think Bell felt disrespected by the Steelers and made demands that would get him out of there. I would have no problem trading Miller once Bell was signed. Hopefully Foreman would be healthy enough so the team could get a good gauge on what he'd be capable of next season. I could sign Blue on the cheap but I'd let Blue walk if the Redskins release Samaje Perine b/c they re-signed Peterson.

I'd feel pretty good if the Texans had Bell, Foreman, Perine and a change of pace RB for 2019.
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The $$$$ spent on Bell would be better spent in FA on the CB position or maybe a LT. IMHO
 
Texansphan said:
Agree.
Good young backs come out in the draft every year.
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So you saying that we should pay attention to the fact that a cheap FA RB (Ridely), a 3rd round pick (Conner) and 5th round TE to RB convert (Samuels) all have been very productive in the Levon Bell role when he has been away either for injury or contract over the last couple of seasons.
 
steelbtexan said:
The $$$$ spent on Bell would be better spent in FA on the CB position or maybe a LT. IMHO
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that's great in theory, but there's no great left tackles or corner backs hitting the market that are worth a damn. I mean, who's giving you better value? Jawuan James? Donovan Smith? Cedric Ogbuehi? There's no Nate Solder's or Duane Brown's scheduled to hit the market

Hell, Seantrell might be the best one going back in to FA.

The dynamic factor he would bring to this offense that (outside of the 97 yard run) Miller hasn't brought through his 3 years here is worth paying for. Bet on Rankins and Davenport and drafting some extra big bodies to get the line right in front of them, and then unleash a Bell/Fuller/Hopkins/Thomas/Watson combo platter on to the league. That at least puts you on par as far as weapons with the Chiefs, and maybe even the Rams.
 
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