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Mid season review and bye week and I'm considering in season extensions regardless of past history and current policy. Current cap $20 million 2019 $73 million without reworking Thomas $14m. Your thoughts?

Jadeveon Clowney cap 2018 $12.3 million DOB February 14 1993 25 YOA pro bowler 2016 & 2017 with Watt out; playing with Watt now & racking up comparable stats to last season.

2018 after 9 games: 24 tackles 5.5 sacks 13 QB hits 1 TD and 2 fumble recoveries

I realize safe bet and one I preferred is tagging but if arranged well and Chris Olsen has done exceptional with similar deals I'm ok with extension now. Injuries still relevant.

Tyraan Mathieu cap $ 7 m DOB May 13 1992 26 YOA not only a leader but earning new deal.
2018 stats: 52 tackles 2 sacks 3 tackles for loss 2 QB hits 5 passes defended 2 INTs 1 F recovered.

We cannot allow this guy to enter FA pay him Rick er Mr. Gaine.

Kareem Jackson cap $ 9 m but actual $= 6.5 m. DOB April 10, 1988 30 YOA. Until season began I had him cut but I was wrong; possibly career best season. Has played almost every snap. Stats despite playing safety and corner: 51 tackles 4 TFLs 10 passes defended 2 INTs 2 FF 1 recovered.
May be most important FA to re-sign.
 
Matthieu and Kareem are my primary targets. Both so versatile that it changes the dynamic for everyone else on the back end as well as playcaller. A little worried that Kareem's price tag may have climbed with this year's performance and potential accolades, but still a must have on defense. This run doesn't happen without Kareem able to excel at multiple positions, especially CB1 and CB2.

Thomas should be good value by reworking his contract. And let's face it, the guys around (F5, Coutee) him won't be healthy a full season. Thomas may be a very important piece moving forward, and IMO it's a great thing to have veteran targets for your young QB to lean on.

Clowney ... yes he's playing great, but that's a LOT of money to tie up at the position - especially since I feel we're not getting the pressure relative to Watt and Clowney's cost. I'll leave that decision to folks much smarter than myself (basically everyone).
 
Scooter said:
Matthieu and Kareem are my primary targets. Both so versatile that it changes the dynamic for everyone else on the back end as well as playcaller. A little worried that Kareem's price tag may have climbed with this year's performance and potential accolades, but still a must have on defense. This run doesn't happen without Kareem able to excel at multiple positions, especially CB1 and CB2.

Thomas should be good value by reworking his contract. And let's face it, the guys around (F5, Coutee) him won't be healthy a full season. Thomas may be a very important piece moving forward, and IMO it's a great thing to have veteran targets for your young QB to lean on.

Clowney ... yes he's playing great, but that's a LOT of money to tie up at the position - especially since I feel we're not getting the pressure relative to Watt and Clowney's cost. I'll leave that decision to folks much smarter than myself (basically everyone).
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I think guys like Thomas and Covington will be fairly easy extensions so didn't include them as necessary for in season reworks. I think Clowney as well as other including Watt will be better after these days off. It should be remembered that Watt and Jadeveon are playing together for first time in long time. The money for #90 is not so bad when you look at his stats and how he impacts games. If Mercilus continues to progress and Cunningham is healthy this defense is going to do some really good things. Let's not overlook Covington's recent return and bye week.
 
badboy said:
I think guys like Thomas and Covington will be fairly easy extensions so didn't include them as necessary for in season reworks. I think Clowney as well as other including Watt will be better after these days off. It should be remembered that Watt and Jadeveon are playing together for first time in long time. The money for #90 is not so bad when you look at his stats and how he impacts games. If Mercilus continues to progress and Cunningham is healthy this defense is going to do some really good things. Let's not overlook Covington's recent return and bye week.
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You're correct on all counts, and bring up something interesting. I'm very curious to see our defense in a couple weeks with time to rest and heal and reflect, along with Romeo getting a chance to really dig into film. I hope we'll see Mercilus on the line more often in the future instead of in coverage, because even though he trends too wide and behind the qb, he regularly influences the pocket.

My only issue regarding Clowney is his pass rush. It seems most of his pressure is coming from interior blitzes instead of winning against tackles - getting stonewalled for near entire games. He's almost certainly going to want a top 3 contract, but with a hole in his game like that is where I'm struggling to give so much. He's playing exceptionally well, don't get me wrong, but for top 3 money I'd like a more consistent pass rush when singled against a tackle. Or just do as I've been suggesting and move he and Watt inside where their burst, hands and quickness can do more damage.
 
True game disruptors like JDC and Watt are hard to come by. Teams wish they had one guy like that we have two. Players like KJax and Honey Badger benefit from that immensely. Not to diminish their great years, but I'd say it's easier to replace back end help than it is to replace top 10 game wreckers like these guys. Even when they aren't in the play they are just smashing up blockers and wrecking shop.

KJax on a contract year makes me raise an eyebrow. Hope he doesn't fizzle out when he gets paid.

I like the defense, if they stay healthy I think the game 16+ defense will be something to contend with. Right now these guys are still giving up long drives late in games that makes the outcome a little more sketchy. I think with more games they will learn how to play together and continue improving too much talent and a great coordinator not to.
 
Once again, I'm a long time Clowney fan but still don't see him as a top drawer pass rusher as he is tied with a group of others at #17 in the sack department.
If he expects to get paid top 3 or top 5 he needs to produce accordingly. Lets add it all up at the end of the year when he might finally hit double-digits, OK ? And he's been pretty injury free this season and lets also see how he is there at year-end ?
 
I hope they don't make the same mistake with Kareem that they did with AJ Bouye. Kareem is playing his ass off this year. This last game was arguably one of the very best games we've seen in the Texans history from a CB. He absolutely was playing out of his mind in Denver. We need to do whatever it takes to retain him for the rest of his career. JJo is proving that guys can still be productive later in their career and as he ages, I expect KJack to become a FT safety anyway. Losing a step there isn't quite as debilitating as at CB.

Pay him Brian!
 
IDEXAN said:
Once again, I'm a long time Clowney fan but still don't see him as a top drawer pass rusher as he is tied with a group of others at #17 in the sack department.
If he expects to get paid top 3 or top 5 he needs to produce accordingly. Lets add it all up at the end of the year when he might finally hit double-digits, OK ? And he's been pretty injury free this season and lets also see how he is there at year-end ?
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No! Signed JD Clowney.
 
Why risk it? You know what he can do and can afford him. There is no one like him in free agency. Make a smart move now.
 
Why risk it? You know what he can do and can afford him. There is no one like him in free agency. Make a smart move now.
 
badboy said:
Mid season review and bye week and I'm considering in season extensions regardless of past history and current policy. Current cap $20 million 2019 $73 million without reworking Thomas $14m. Your thoughts?

Jadeveon Clowney cap 2018 $12.3 million DOB February 14 1993 25 YOA pro bowler 2016 & 2017 with Watt out; playing with Watt now & racking up comparable stats to last season.

2018 after 9 games: 24 tackles 5.5 sacks 13 QB hits 1 TD and 2 fumble recoveries

I realize safe bet and one I preferred is tagging but if arranged well and Chris Olsen has done exceptional with similar deals I'm ok with extension now. Injuries still relevant.

Tyraan Mathieu cap $ 7 m DOB May 13 1992 26 YOA not only a leader but earning new deal.
2018 stats: 52 tackles 2 sacks 3 tackles for loss 2 QB hits 5 passes defended 2 INTs 1 F recovered.

We cannot allow this guy to enter FA pay him Rick er Mr. Gaine.

Kareem Jackson cap $ 9 m but actual $= 6.5 m. DOB April 10, 1988 30 YOA. Until season began I had him cut but I was wrong; possibly career best season. Has played almost every snap. Stats despite playing safety and corner: 51 tackles 4 TFLs 10 passes defended 2 INTs 2 FF 1 recovered.
May be most important FA to re-sign.
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It never fails to amaze me how well so many players perform during a contract year.
 
free agency contract in off season to impact Texans: Compare DeAndre Hopkins to Le'veon Bell Steelers. *Note the stats comparison is for 2017 as Bell holding out.

Bell RB/WR DOB Feb 18 1992 enters 2019 season @27 YOA but no NFL pounding this year.

Rushing= 321/1291 @ 4.0 avg and 9 TDs receiving 85/655 @ 7.7 avg and 2 tds

Hopkins= DOB June 6 1992 enters 2019 season @ 27 YOA

Receiving = 961/1378 @ 14.4 and 13 TDs

Contract for Nuk was 5 years $81 million and $49 m guaranteed. Cap hit for '17 was $18 m & signing was $7.5m.

Possible for Bell 5 years $80 million and $40 m guaranteed. 2019 signing bonus $10 m prorates @ $2m /year.
Base salary $10 m + bonus giving him $20 m guaranteed and only a 12 cap hit.

Bell gets 20 million first year with a cap hit of $10 + 2 m (prorated)= $12 m cap hit. Repeat 2nd year with a roster bonus of $10 m + $10 m base to complete the $40 m guaranteed.

* I am not saying Bell is equal to Hopkins but his productivity would be pretty awesome on our roster with # 4 passing to him.
 
Clowney will want top dog money for sure. But is he really worth it? His motor is so up and down. Do the Texans franchise tag him? If so I believe Clowney will pull a L. Bell and hold out.

Kareem and Badger are most definitely keepers. Interesting question on Kareem though, how much will he be worth? He is playing 2 different positions and is excelling on both.

What top FA will we target? Do the rumor come true about L. Bell? Who will be the top offensive left tackle?
 
Texansballer74 said:
Clowney will want top dog money for sure. But is he really worth it? His motor is so up and down. Do the Texans franchise tag him? If so I believe Clowney will pull a L. Bell and hold out.

Kareem and Badger are most definitely keepers. Interesting question on Kareem though, how much will he be worth? He is playing 2 different positions and is excelling on both.

What top FA will we target? Do the rumor come true about L. Bell? Who will be the top offensive left tackle?
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I see free agency as very weak again this year; but if we sign our own guys and get Bell that would be a success. I wonder if Seantrel Henderson will get any looks from Gaine?
 
I think Clowney should be the Texans #1 priority and I’m sure he is. The youngest out of the 3 with the most potential followed by the Honey badger. In all honesty, when you have a winner at qb it makes the gm job easier. Guys want to play with Brady, Brees and now Deshaun.(honeybadger) That’s the beauty of it and we’re in win now mode with Deshaun rookie contract so I expect the Texans to sign the best names come free agency and free agents understand that.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Clowney will want top dog money for sure. But is he really worth it? His motor is so up and down. Do the Texans franchise tag him? If so I believe Clowney will pull a L. Bell and hold out.

Kareem and Badger are most definitely keepers. Interesting question on Kareem though, how much will he be worth? He is playing 2 different positions and is excelling on both.

What top FA will we target? Do the rumor come true about L. Bell? Who will be the top offensive left tackle?
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Clowney's motor is up and down????
 
badboy said:
I see free agency as very weak again this year; but if we sign our own guys and get Bell that would be a success. I wonder if Seantrel Henderson will get any looks from Gaine?
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With the rise of Lamm and a 2019 Draft pick dedicated to the position, Henderson could be out.
 
The way Lamm is developing the Texans have to back him as the RT of the future, especially given holes to fill elsewhere.

The way Kareem is playing, along with Matheiu, is making them both expensive resigns. This, along with probable franchise tag for Clowney is going to take up a serious amount of that cap we've been sitting on.

Ideal world the Texans see a franchise LT fall to them in the first round and I think that moves this team towards one of the best in the league going into next season.

If they really can find a way to add Bell on top of those resign needs then that would be incredible.
 
IDEXAN said:
Once again, I'm a long time Clowney fan but still don't see him as a top drawer pass rusher as he is tied with a group of others at #17 in the sack department.
If he expects to get paid top 3 or top 5 he needs to produce accordingly. Lets add it all up at the end of the year when he might finally hit double-digits, OK ? And he's been pretty injury free this season and lets also see how he is there at year-end ?
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The thing about Clowney isn't just the sack numbers but how he affects the run game …. but hey , sacks are the sexy statistic.
 
DanielTx said:
I think Clowney should be the Texans #1 priority and I’m sure he is. The youngest out of the 3 with the most potential followed by the Honey badger. In all honesty, when you have a winner at qb it makes the gm job easier. Guys want to play with Brady, Brees and now Deshaun.(honeybadger) That’s the beauty of it and we’re in win now mode with Deshaun rookie contract so I expect the Texans to sign the best names come free agency and free agents understand that.
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Top Free Agents understand the almighty dollar …. The guys in the middle of the pack , sure they are gonna get the same amount no matter where they play so why not pick somewhere favorable.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
With the rise of Lamm and a 2019 Draft pick dedicated to the position, Henderson could be out.
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not so sure about that, Texans signed Henderson for a reason (maybe because there was so little to choose from and that's true this off season). He can be had for cheap again and prob cheaper than this season of $3. 2 also I wonder if WIll Fuller will come into play 2019. Hopefully he is spending every minute of practice squad in building strength.
 
Corrosion said:
The thing about Clowney isn't just the sack numbers but how he affects the run game …. but hey , sacks are the sexy statistic.
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Agree too many looking only at sacks but CLowney had 17 and 20 QB hits last two seasons and at 13 now seems able to beat those. Looks to me as if he just might have another pro bowl season.
 
badboy said:
Few mention but Lamm's a FA next year & his agent should be expected to want big old fat extension and he will probably get it.
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So do you think there's any chance that Gaine makes a move this season to sign Lamm before he hits FA in 2019 ?
 
IDEXAN said:
Once again, I'm a long time Clowney fan but still don't see him as a top drawer pass rusher as he is tied with a group of others at #17 in the sack department.
If he expects to get paid top 3 or top 5 he needs to produce accordingly. Lets add it all up at the end of the year when he might finally hit double-digits, OK ? And he's been pretty injury free this season and lets also see how he is there at year-end ?
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I will have to agree. I wouldn’t give him a top 3 or 5 contract. He hasn’t been in any conversations for DPOY the last 3 years. He’s also been injured.

I love his run game, but I just don’t know if I’d pay him top dollar.
 
IDEXAN said:
So do you think there's any chance that Gaine makes a move this season to sign Lamm before he hits FA in 2019 ?
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I'd be ok with it but I don't think he will. Think he will wait and hope Lamm is loyal to team keeping him around. This could be another Bouye situation. Lamm not Bouye good but it fits.
 
badboy said:
I'd be ok with it but I don't think he will. Think he will wait and hope Lamm is loyal to team keeping him around. This could be another Bouye situation. Lamm not Bouye good but it fits.
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I think perhaps the acquisition of DT was a definitive move by our new GM which sets him apart from past Texans GMs, certainly the last one, so I think he's operating in his own
manner and fashion and setting precedent along the way therefor I'm not going to be surprised with what he does with Lamm or Clowney either for that matter.
 
badboy said:
I'd be ok with it but I don't think he will. Think he will wait and hope Lamm is loyal to team keeping him around. This could be another Bouye situation. Lamm not Bouye good but it fits.
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Players are very loyal to $$$$.

If they let Lamm walk it's no great loss. He's backup quality. Instead of like last yr when he didn't even belong in the NFL.
 
We seem to be coming into this game with healthier, rested, stronger roster. Washington is a team we can increase stats against. Clowney can added dollars by buckets going forward. This also should increase trade negotiations if he is tagged.
 
IDEXAN said:
I think perhaps the acquisition of DT was a definitive move by our new GM which sets him apart from past Texans GMs, certainly the last one, so I think he's operating in his own
manner and fashion and setting precedent along the way therefor I'm not going to be surprised with what he does with Lamm or Clowney either for that matter.
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uhhh what are you talking about? Don't you know Rick Smith traded for the great Derrick Mason mid season to give us a valuable receiving threat? Sure he was 80 years old, and he had to use a walker and respirator to run his routes, but Rick did make a mid season trade for a receiver....
 
It would be a huge risk to sign any DE with a degenerative knee that has already gone through micro fracture surgery once. Franchise tag him if the cap allows and milk another year out of his arthritic joints.
 
dalemurphy said:
It would be a huge risk to sign any DE with a degenerative knee that has already gone through micro fracture surgery once. Franchise tag him if the cap allows and milk another year out of his arthritic joints.
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That's my preference or a "5 year contract" structured to have little or no dead money after year 2.
 
Shishkabob said:
uhhh what are you talking about? Don't you know Rick Smith traded for the great Derrick Mason mid season to give us a valuable receiving threat? Sure he was 80 years old, and he had to use a walker and respirator to run his routes, but Rick did make a mid season trade for a receiver....
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There could be a slight difference in the philosophies in play here.
 
welsh texan said:
The way Lamm is developing the Texans have to back him as the RT of the future, especially given holes to fill elsewhere.

The way Kareem is playing, along with Matheiu, is making them both expensive resigns. This, along with probable franchise tag for Clowney is going to take up a serious amount of that cap we've been sitting on.

Ideal world the Texans see a franchise LT fall to them in the first round and I think that moves this team towards one of the best in the league going into next season.

If they really can find a way to add Bell on top of those resign needs then that would be incredible.
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All I expect to happen and the way to add Bell is give him basically what he wants as he will have chip on shoulder to prove himself. I predict we go defense in round one unless we trade.
 
dalemurphy said:
It would be a huge risk to sign any DE with a degenerative knee that has already gone through micro fracture surgery once. Franchise tag him if the cap allows and milk another year out of his arthritic joints.
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plus a tag allows possible trades. Are you open to that?
 
badboy said:
All I expect to happen and the way to add Bell is give him basically what he wants as he will have chip on shoulder to prove himself. I predict we go defense in round one unless we trade.
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If the Texans wind up at pick 22-25 I'd be all over a possible trade back to very early RD2 and possibly picking up an early RD4 in the process. Defensive talent is going to be deep in the draft and I would really like to see the team get back the RD4 they lost.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If the Texans wind up at pick 22-25 I'd be all over a possible trade back to very early RD2 and possibly picking up an early RD4 in the process. Defensive talent is going to be deep in the draft and I would really like to see the team get back the RD4 they lost.
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It all depends on who is still on the board - like a quality O-lineman - who btw just might be gone by the time your pick arrives.
I know we did well with our 3 third rounders last draft, but I don't want to risk that happening again.
First round picks are extremely valuable for a reason - let's not squander them on a chance at hitting on a 4th rounder.
I would rather have 2 or maybe 3 quality rookies by trading up, than a bunch of hopefuls.
 
Texansphan said:
It all depends on who is still on the board - like a quality O-lineman - who btw just might be gone by the time your pick arrives.
I know we did well with our 3 third rounders last draft, but I don't want to risk that happening again.
First round picks are extremely valuable for a reason - let's not squander them on a chance at hitting on a 4th rounder.
I would rather have 2 or maybe 3 quality rookies by trading up, than a bunch of hopefuls.
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Hopefully the defensive heavy draft will push someone like Jonah Williams down to mid twenties, but I wouldn't count on it
 
Texansphan said:
It all depends on who is still on the board - like a quality O-lineman - who btw just might be gone by the time your pick arrives.
I know we did well with our 3 third rounders last draft, but I don't want to risk that happening again.
First round picks are extremely valuable for a reason - let's not squander them on a chance at hitting on a 4th rounder.
I would rather have 2 or maybe 3 quality rookies by trading up, than a bunch of hopefuls.
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This is my philosophy. Hopefully a LT falls, if one does you almost have to trade up to get your franchise LT. (Make sure you get the guy you want) I dont think Jonah Williams falls anywhere where the Texans are picking.

I know they need a CB but in perfect world my dream draft would go something like this.

Rd.1 Yodany Cajuste
Rd.2 Andre Dillard- if I had to trade up using a 3rd so be it.
Rd.2 Mongomery or Dexter Williams at RB
Rd.4 CB

Sign Claiborne at CB and Spencer Ware as a low cost RB in FA, re-sign KJax etc...

I will put this in my next mock.
 
steelbtexan said:
This is my philosophy. Hopefully a LT falls, if one does you almost have to trade up to get your franchise LT. (Make sure you get the guy you want) I dont think Jonah Williams falls anywhere where the Texans are picking.

I know they need a CB but in perfect world my dream draft would go something like this.

Rd.1 Yodany Cajuste
Rd.2 Andre Dillard- if I had to trade up using a 3rd so be it.
Rd.2 Mongomery or Dexter Williams at RB
Rd.4 CB

Sign Claiborne at CB and Spencer Ware as a low cost RB in FA, re-sign KJax etc...

I will put this in my next mock.
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Like your first, Maybe a CB in the second, 3rd for RB?

We have no rd 4
 
JB said:
Like your first, Maybe a CB in the second, 3rd for RB?

We have no rd 4
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Forgot about that.

I just want to get the offense fixed. The defense is good enough to win a SB with. I wonder if some vet CB's become available that aren't FA's like what's happened the last 2 offseasons?
 
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