We have to remember that the past 2 Drafts have been poor drafts for O-linemen and not having a 1st or 2nd round pick kinda "hamstrings" you in that area. Also, this past seasons FA market for O-linemen was considered very bad. Has Norwell, the top OG in last seasons FA, done anything to help Jacksonville? Has Nate Solder, the top OT in last seasons FA, done anything to help the Giants this season? I think Gaine did what he thought was best for the team with the O-linemen he picked up in FA and the Draft and I'm sure he'll continue to work on that weakness this coming off season. It's just going to take time to build the O-line. Now, as for the O-line coaching, well.......
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We have to remember that the past 2 Drafts have been poor drafts for O-linemen and not having a 1st or 2nd round pick kinda "hamstrings" you in that area. Also, this past seasons FA market for O-linemen was considered very bad. Has Norwell, the top OG in last seasons FA, done anything to help Jacksonville? Has Nate Solder, the top OT in last seasons FA, done anything to help the Giants this season? I think Gaine did what he thought was best for the team with the O-linemen he picked up in FA and the Draft and I'm sure he'll continue to work on that weakness this coming off season. It's just going to take time to build the O-line. Now, as for the O-line coaching, well.......
Scooter
Funky
I'm not going to give Gaine much crap about the offensive line because it looks the same as O'Brien's past 4 years ... blame/release the good, promote the bad, and sign new almost-starters. I'm also not about to put a tiara on him. Our new tightends have 21 receptions between them, our high priced special teams ace is half the special teamer that our backup QB is, and the new slot corner lasted 5 minutes. Major trade for a WR with 2 targets and no receptions. Reid, Webb and Daniel are carrying Gaine's offseason. Gaine's impact this season is quite minimal for the credit he's receiving.
wait for it .......
wait for it .......
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Hamstrings lol
Yea we know the story on Solder which was a decision to remain in the northeast for family reasons so we were fortunate that the Giants matched our offer as he's been less than stellar and as far as Norwell goes he's sorta disappeared from the face of the earth so I'm also thankful that the Jags bit on his inflated FA asking price hook, line, an sinker.
Between the Norwell signing and the decision to stick with Bortals the Jags brain-trust is not lookin to sharp lately.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
honey badger? Getting active for DT? Keke when playing? To say the TEs dont look like a good pick is wrong. Under utilised by BOB yes, but they look quite hard to stop when used. He is getting credit because we are not used to this many players working out rd3 and below Also he did it with no rd1/2 picks. I am on the Gaine train, my worry is he and BOB are now tied at the hip and BOB has serious issues, but somehow manages the team well with the leaders at each level doing some of the work too. Just get a OC you stubborn SOB and I think Gaine will help lead us into a longer window of winning
As far as Norwell goes, I think that shows how continuity and cohesiveness is such an important part of OL play. Norwell has not looked good this year with new surrounding cast, but was all-pro last year with guys he had played with for years
Exactly. I don't have a problem with what Gaine has done so far with the OL. I'm more upset with whoever decides who plays. (I promised to lay off BO'b so I'm going to blame Devlin). Mancz is clearly one of our three best interior linemen but we have to wait until someone is hurt before he sees the field.
Don't make sense.
This draft has 4 really good LT's. IMHO
badboy
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No it indicates prime LTs will be way gone before we draft. Hopefully the rest of college season and playoffs will open up more Oline possibilities like Cajusty and Mitch Hyatt also IR'd Trey Adams remains high on most mocks despite probability he will return to U. of Washington.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Mangler I agree we must hit on need players or BPA with top four picks in 96. Starters or solid backups with tons of up space. We need to be quality careful in free agency even if willing to overpay some for the right player. We don't want to lose any of our FA IMO.
badboy
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yeah I was cautious but wanted Solder and thought Norwell could be solid for years. Blew that didn't I?
Give me 2 good OT's and a CB that can be a young Bouye (A guy who will develop after a yrs experience and I will be happy with this draft.
If they used the other picks to get a developmental OL and a RB/WR that are upgrades then that's the cherry on top.
This draft has 4 really good LT's. IMHO
badboy
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Yep after watching Cajuste all game vs OK tonight I am sold on him. I know you like him. If we got him in first a CB in second would you consider adding Hyatt in second? The guy has to be doing something correct with Clemson going to Championship every season. OT is such a difficult find I would do that and go for Scharping in third. Let them all fight it out. Crap Cajust hurt on goal line try. Ankle rolled on by own player. Looks like broken or high ankle sprain.
1 Cajuste 2a Love or Byron Murphy 2b Hyatt 3. RT Scharping.
Absolutely love this mock.
But if a RB I liked fell to the top of the 3rd. (Montgomery) I would trade up for him.
Glad you got a chance to watch Cajuste, hopefully he didn't get a career altering injury.
Yea but you been right on with far more of your calls Badboy and displaying a little humility always looks classy.
I can't say that either Solder or Norwell are bad players. It's just that they were the best players at their positions in a bad O-linemen FA market. And, when you pay "premium prices" to outbid everyone else and only get mediocre talent in return, that can hurt the team in the long run with their cap space and not allow them to resign their own top players. JMO.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I hated chasing after Solder because I knew he sucked last year and all the years before that too. Norwell's regression is more headscratching, but up until the injury yesterday he wasnt a liability playing above average, but after being an elite guard for a few years everyone expected more.
If the Texans and Gaine specifically go into next years draft with a "OL at all costs" mentality and pass up better players in order to reach for need that would be a huge mistake. there could be a run on OT talent next year by the time the Texans draft and I would much rather see a top 3 CB or RB selected than the 6th best OT. Joys of a winning team, now instead of assuring considerable talent upgrade at the most needed spots, they will need to go best player available - the best drafting philosophy. There will always be decent OL available in round 3 my question is if they will actually be an upgrade over what we already have? I dont think it would be. Texans have like the 5th most cap space available next year. Maybe throw some money at Daryl Williams from Carolina to play RT? Seems like that may be the best guy out there next year. Another damned if you do, damned if you dont draft where you might need to trade up to get the guy you really want.
That's why if they need to trade up to get their LT they really like they should do it. You can find a guy like Kaleb McGary to play RT at a high level late in the 2nd/3rd rd.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I agree, but its going to sting. People were pissed off moving up for Deshaun. There are more bad teams in front of us that need tackle help and could deplete the position before the 20's .. leverage by Gaine is lost, he will have to pay a premium in order to do that, teams arent going to be in a "lets help the Texans become elite" mentality on draft day so its probably going to take a 2 and a 3 to get it done. Im also not sure that the broad stroke of "Player X can come in here and play at a high level cuz he's a 2nd rounder" is a foregone conclusion ie Suafilo. Can Gaine identify talent? Or better yet can Gaine listen to Bob explain to him what talent he wants? Not sure what the dynamic between those two are other than an "alignment" fetish.
Bad year to be good if you need offensive line help. Free agents are even more depressing. Reality is that this team may have to go into next year with most of the current line as assembled. Sigh.
I'm not sold on all the teams ahead of us needing OT help MORE than they need defensive help in the 1st round
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Next years draft is full of special defensive players .. I'd even go so far as to say that even if one of the better LT's are available and one of the defensive STUDS is sitting there, you have to take the proven commodity. Alot of drafts have HOU going CB/S in the first round. Crazy huh? When you are trying to draft for need you MUST be sure to get a top 3 player especially if you are looking at a LT.
There's that, but I've seen mocks that have the top OT sliding to mid-twenties. No one knows for sure at this point. I choose to be optimistic (some call it drumk)
Shishkabob
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Cajuste's lower limb injuries are beginning to pile up now. Mid way through the 2015 season he injured his knee against Baylor, I couldn't find out the exact injury but he missed the final 6 games of WVU's regular season, but returned for their bowl game. He then tore his right ACL in 2016, and now we have his current injury which we don't know the severity of yet, but from the looks of it it is at least a semi serious injury. That's 3 pretty big injuries in 5 years all to the same leg.
I know that it's being projected to be another bad draft for O-linemen and that the quality linemen will be gone early but, the reality is we don't know what will happen between now and the Draft. Yes, it could be bad, but it could also end up being better. Right now we don't know what underclassmen will be coming out early and a lot of times that changes not only the quality of a position but also the dynamic of the whole draft. If just 2 extra O-linemen come out early that are projected to go in the 1st round that could be all the Texans need to get a good OT in the Draft. Plus underclassmen from other positions could have an affect on where the O-linemen fall. The QB's are usually at the top of the list and have a tendency to push other players down even when they (the QB) may not be that good (see Locker and Gabbert).
I know it's fun to project the future but right now it's just too early to get wound up about what may happen in the Draft. Too many things can/will happen between now and then. I'm just hoping the Texans can come away from the Draft with at least one solid OT and an OG that can add more depth. Anything beyond that would just be extra "icing on the cake!"
Hopefully he falls because he's a high first round pick.
HesH been very unlucky. Which is why I want Gaine to draft Dillard too.
I agree.
But you have to pay the cost to protect Watson
When Ricky traded down for DB, I think he traded from 12 to 25 for 1st,3rd,5th but I could be wrong and imIon my phone and imI not going to look it up.
Shishkabob
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depending on the severity of his injury, and whether or not he can test this spring, he might fall out of the first completely
You see anyone like a Jermon Bushrod might be worth investing in?
Not that I want to go cheap, but setting up a plan B.
Just finished watching the game a little while ago and trying to gather my thoughts on what just happened. The Texans came out slow but then started to roll, especially in the run game! 281 yards on the ground! Wow! The line did a fantastic job in that area. Even Davenport did well. He was pulling and had the key block that sprung Miller for his 97 yard run and TD. Watson had 70 yards on 9 carries (most escaping the pocket) and a TD run, and even Blue had some good runs that helped keep drives alive and burn the clock. Mancz came in for Kelemente when he went down and the line didn't miss a beat. Not sure if Kelemente ever came back in the game.
In the passing game Watson threw the ball 24 times and completed 19. He was sacked 4 times and escaped maybe 3 or 4 other times to make plays. I can't say who will be charged for giving up the sacks but I will say that most looked like coverage sacks where Watson held the ball too long waiting for someone to get open. I still don't like some of the hits Deshaun is taking and I cringe every time I see the pocket collapse and he gets buried! Overall, I think the line did pretty well, especially with the run game. They just got to keep making strides in the passing game to help Watson maximize his game.
Five games left with a 2 game lead in the Division. Bring on the Browns! Let's keep this thing rolling!
In the passing game Watson threw the ball 24 times and completed 19. He was sacked 4 times and escaped maybe 3 or 4 other times to make plays. I can't say who will be charged for giving up the sacks but I will say that most looked like coverage sacks where Watson held the ball too long waiting for someone to get open. I still don't like some of the hits Deshaun is taking and I cringe every time I see the pocket collapse and he gets buried! Overall, I think the line did pretty well, especially with the run game. They just got to keep making strides in the passing game to help Watson maximize his game.
Five games left with a 2 game lead in the Division. Bring on the Browns! Let's keep this thing rolling!
Ty Nsekhe is a guy that I would look at in FA.
Shishkabob
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I liked him a lot as well. Seemed to have a rare blend of strength and athleticism that you don't see to often coming out. He had some technique things I'd want to clean up, but let's face it what college kid(especially one coming out of a air raid system) doesn't?
We are seeing the same things.
Big strong guy with a great punch and good feet. He's just got to learn how to pick up stunts better and the speed of the NFL game.
There's no way he would've fallen to the Texans in the draft without this injury. IMHO
Shishkabob
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which is funny, I read some reports on him before the season started that said he was a 5th-6th rounder, who with a good season could move up to a mid round pick. He was pretty unanimously a 1st round lock before his injury in recent weeks
Guys like this happen every yr.
Whitney Mercilus was a supposed 3rd rd pick and Ricky took him in the 3rd.
Same with Kolton Miller last yr. Then he blew up the combine and became a 1st rd pick.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
Whit was a round 1 in 2012, not a round 3. Were you saying rd3 talent in the first because I disagree
Shishkabob
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Yup which is why I laugh when the media makes a mock draft the day after the draft ends, or when they try to guess where a player is going to go a year or more before they declare. To many things change from year to year, players improve or regress, get hurt, etc. It really is a exercise in futility
Nope, I was saying that draftniks often rate players loqlo than where they are actually drafted and this happens almost every year.
Nope, I was saying that draftniks often rate players loqlo than where they are actually drafted and this happens almost every year.
Mangler
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I like Brian Gaine more and more with each passing week. Our secondary looks legit! Can’t wait to see what he does with a full set of draft picks! This class is supposed to be a strong one for defense, now imagine what we’d look like if we hit on a good CB or two? Shut down defense for sure...
I know we need O-line help, but hitting on a good LT or RT is going to be pretty hard considering the talent, or lack there of, by the time we’re on the clock. I’m happy with Gaine going BPA.
I know we need O-line help, but hitting on a good LT or RT is going to be pretty hard considering the talent, or lack there of, by the time we’re on the clock. I’m happy with Gaine going BPA.
ATXtexanfan
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Cant help but think Jjo and Kareem will be a year older
htownfan32
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Kareem can still play. JJo has the talent as always, but I think age has caught up.
edo783
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I concur,
Well something still is going on with Anderson..Oakland signs him and them promptly cuts him a week later
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/11/raiders-waive-c-j-anderson/
So it wasn't immediate and he shorted me a TD, but pretty much the Texans could have used the CJ Anderson that showed up for the Rams yesterday
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/24/c-j-anderson-i-never-gave-up-on-myself/
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I also remember how many said Adrian Peterson was done .. after practically begging to play here he's on his way to another 1000 yard season. Nice to see Colvin finally hitting the field and hey Justin Reid out of 5 picks is not bad "can't hit on every round"
Peyton Manning
Adrian Peterson
Cj Anderson
Next thing you know Bill Belicick himself will want to be in H-Town.
Adrian Peterson
Cj Anderson
Next thing you know Bill Belicick himself will want to be in H-Town.
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