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Tell me more about these ridiculous assertions? There's 15 yrs of evidence that I could possibly be on to something?
Can you honestly say the Texans org has always done everything possible to put the best product on the field possible? Because if the answer is NO, then you should question the McNair's will to bring a championship to this city.
But you wont do that because then you would have to look at the way things are instead of the way you hope things will be. Besides it's much easier to call me a troll than objectively look at things like how/why the McNair's conducted the GM search the way they did.
But you're right about 1 thing, the McNair's must not truly be all about the $$$$. Because if they were they wouldn't have wasted their $$$$ on the scam Korn-Ferry GM search.
I'm so confused right now. I thought Steel would be the happiest mf'er on this board when RS stepped away. This thread is very combative.
I'm so confused right now. I thought Steel would be the happiest mf'er on this board when RS stepped away. This thread is very combative.
Rick is gone, they hired one Steelb's top candidates to replace him, but he didn't like how they did it so it all sucks now
The problem is you're trying to insinuate that there's apathy about winning on the owner's part just b/c the team hasn't actually won big or made the moves you think they should make to win which in the grand scheme is not only stupid its just bad business. There are 20+ other teams every year that also fail to make it to even a divisional round playoff game.... all of which have varying levels of aggression in how they go about building their teams. Are they not doing everything to put the best possible product on the field either?
Then you take your initial assertion & go full on retard with it by making other assertions like McNair only caring about money.........McNair only caring about image & your latest gem, McNair just being a puppet for the outgoing Rick Smith etc, etc...it just never ends. It's almost to the point with you like the players on the field actually playing the games don't even matter in the outcomes of these games/seasons. Don't get me wrong, some of the blame should go on McNair, but not to the level with which you take it.
Furthermore there's no clear line of demarcation that you can point to to say that they aren't doing all they can within reason to bring a championship to this city. & i'm going to go out on a limb and say that you are in no way connected to the FO...........................so what this comes down to is you throwing a bunch of largely baseless allegations against the wall & waiting to see if anything sticks.
It doesn't all suck,
Do you think it would be a good practice to interview other candidates that weren't a big part of creating this 4-12 mess and learning how other orgs go about their business. The McNair's are missing a great opportunity to learn how to improve their org.
you are making way to much out of what they could have learned from an interview, compared to what they already know. Our whole coaching staff knows how new England operates, interviewing caserio wouldn't have changed that, Gaine has worked for numerous organizations, under numerous mentors, we have other members of our staff that have worked elsewhere. They know how other places work, whether they want to copy them or not is up to them. I don't see them gaining much Intel from interviewing other candidates. the biggest thing they could have gained would be other opinions on how to fix this team, but then what do you do with those opinions? If Gaine is the guy you hire anyway and he wants to use plan A. to fix your team, but you think a mix of plan A. and B. is best or plan B. you either have to ignore the information you've been given and trust the guy you hire to do the job you hired him for, or you tell him you think you know what's best, you undermine him and do what you want anyways leaving a useless gm who now knows he has no power in your organization
How have they not changed the man in charge of acquiring talent? they are now on their 3rd gm in 15 years? they got a guy who you even said was your #2 choice to start making those decisions. You know it is possible for Mcnair to care about both, the money he makes and winning football games right?
Also outside of Houston Rick Smith is actually very respected as is Bob Mcnair, Rick was so respected he was on the NFL competition committee until he recently resigned with his wife's illness. If Rick came back to the NFL, and the Texans let him go he wouldn't be unemployed for long
Then why bother interviewing anybody if you already know everything and who you want to hire? We will have to disagree again on the importance of gaining knowledge from others within whatever industry you work in.
The Gaine scenario you laid out has a point. But during the interview you ask the candidate what he would do if he were GM and if you liked an idea from a different GM candidiate you would fit that idea in with all other potential interviews. Tell them the idea and see how they respond, if it's to your liking you hire the person who best fits your vision of your org.
The fact that you think gaining knowledge is not the right thing to do tells me that you've never ran a company. Knowledge is a major key in any industry.
If RS were to be truly available for hire....I'd have a real hard time believing that he would be a hot GM commodity on the NFL market. I just can't see this as a reality.
The McNair's have made over 2 Billion dollars on this deal. I think it's pretty obvious what's most important to them. As far as image goes, look at the team and how they go about acquiring players and the types of players they acquire compared to the Pats. Again it's not conducive to winning.
Unless they change how they go about acquiring players they will never have a consistent winner. Not participating in FA is a sign that they aren't doing everyt
ing within reason to put the best team possible on the field. Again this is not how consistent winner like the Pats go about doing business.
For me the 4-12 is all that matters. Sad thing is if the Texans were ran even half way competently it didn't have to happen. But hey, McNair gets to collect interest on that pile of cash he save by screwing up this yrs draft in the Os trade. I believe the mistake the McNair's made was thinking they were just a QB away from being a contender. Anybody with half a brain could see that wasn't even close to being true.
Lastly the incompetence shown over the last 15 yrs is completely on McNair. It's his team. Because if it wasn't the city would have hopes of a championship in my/probably your lifetime.
I never said he'd be hired as a gm, but he would get hired
Bob Kraft immediately cut Aaron Hernandez, pulled his jerseys out of the stadium's pro shops & gave pats fans refunds on jerseys they bought of his..
Ray Rice & Colin Kaepernick have both been blackballed from the NFL by all 32 owners for things that they have done & said
And after a brief stint with the cowboys, even jerry jones had to part ways with Greg Hardy b/c his brand was taking too much of a hit.
ALL OWNERS CARE ABOUT IMAGE. Why single out McNair for that? If McNair cared about image half as much as you say he'd have ordered for Cushing to be cut after he was popped for PED's the 1st time. He'd have ordered Arian Foster to be let go after his baby mama drama...Hell D'onta Foreman probably wouldn't have even been on the team after he was arrested for alleged marijuana possession.
& just b/c he owns the team doesn't mean that he's responsible for Kareem Jackson getting beat on a go route.
The way that consistent winners go about business has nothing to do with how the Texans do business b/c their situation is different from ours.....mainly b/c they've had a franchise qb in place for over a decade now. Up until Manning left Indy, they were a model franchise too. Ditto for the 80's 49ers. Lets see how well the Pats operate when they don't have arguably the greatest to ever do it under center for them.
Anyone else hear John McLain say Rick Smith fired Brian Gaines ? He then decided not to fire him but Brian already took a job with Buffalo .
Dysfunctional org
Or McClain just another media hack?
Let Cak make the call.
I'd like to be a fly on the Texans wall .
With all the "poop" being produced there, as a fly, you could probably easily find a place to light upon without being noticed as being out of place.I'd like to be a fly on the Texans wall .
With all the "poop" being produced there, as a fly, you could probably easily find a place to light upon without being noticed as being out of place.
This all makes me think Gary Kubiaks hire was an inside job too because he did interview for the position before Capers and ended up with the job.
I think this was what he was referring to .Huh?
linkKubiak was a candidate for the job the first time around and was
interviewed in 2001 before the Texans picked Capers.
McNair said he felt Kubiak wasn't ready to be a head coach then,
but this time he was exactly what the Texans wanted.
I think this was what he was referring to .
link
Not arguing the point........just presenting the chronology.yeah, but that's not unusual... many coaches interview and don't the job the first time. Kubiak was the best man for the job and a local guy, but McNair decided to go with a coach experienced with an expansion team. When Capers was fired, Kubiak was still the best man for the job
Not arguing the point........just presenting the chronology.
I think this was what he was referring to .
link
I'm not getting the inside Job part.
I'm very happy RS is gone.
But I dont think his influence is gone.
Especially if you take Rick at his word, that he will be back.
This is so much like the McNair's do things, cant make a clean break.
I was just about to post this very article....
Wait! Doc had an Aston Martin?!?!1 for breathing & heartbeat, 1 for semi-typing.
If I was including you, I would have quoted.
The idea McNair is satisfied with $400 mil when he could be making $850 mil is BS on both the money and winning fronts.
You wanna bet the top 5 on revenue over the past decade don't win more than the bottom 5? Still have that Aston Martin?
I'm not getting the inside Job part.
Kraft bought the Patriots in 1994 for $172 million. In Sept 2017 they were worth - according to Forbes - $3.7 BILLION. I don't think that value fell last year.The McNair's have made over 2 Billion dollars on this deal. I think it's pretty obvious what's most important to them. As far as image goes, look at the team and how they go about acquiring players and the types of players they acquire compared to the Pats. Again it's not conducive to winning.
Wait! Doc had an Aston Martin?!?!
Now it makes sense... CloakNNNDagger = 007
Yeaaaah.... now I see why you have so much inside information
Kraft bought the Patriots in 1994 for $172 million. In Sept 2017 they were worth - according to Forbes - $3.7 BILLION. I don't think that value fell last year.
Making money is probably pretty important to Kraft too.
He hired the right coach and lucked into the GOAT QB - I don't know what else you'd call getting TB12 for a 6th rd pick but luck.
This is all true. Dumb luck certainly had a part in it.
That said, KEEPING the GOAT HC and GOAT QB for 17+ years is pure business acumen. Hats off to Kraft for managing to pull it off consistently for so many years in an era when "experts" said NFL dynasties were a thing of the past.
I f by "business acumen" you mean staying out of the way of the guy he hired to oversee football matters (for the most par) then I agree. No one with common sense screws with something that is working well. It ain't broke and Kraft has the good sense not to try and "fix it".This is all true. Dumb luck certainly had a part in it.
That said, KEEPING the GOAT HC and GOAT QB for 17+ years is pure business acumen. Hats off to Kraft for managing to pull it off consistently for so many years in an era when "experts" said NFL dynasties were a thing of the past.
Too much credit to kraft there too. Brady is letting them off light b/c he wants to win.
I f by "business acumen" you mean staying out of the way of the guy he hired to oversee football matters (for the most par) then I agree. No one with common sense screws with something that is working well. It ain't broke and Kraft has the good sense not to try and "fix it".
And Brady is loyal to Kraft because he (well, actually Belichick) the one guy that gave him his shot after the rest of the NFL overlooked him. TB12 is loyal too.
Managing huge egos - and paying them - certainly deserves some credit. Some owners would never give so much control of their billion dollar company to an employee, even when successful. The NFL, among other pro leagues, have examples of owners killing the golden goose. Jerrah immediately comes to mind with the way he treated Jimmy Johnson.
Yeah, knowing how to manage your employees over a long period of success is considered good business acumen, regardless of the industry. Even when that means stepping back and not getting involved as an owner.
Your comment about common sense with messing something that is working well is certainly applicable to Bob McNair's hiring of Ed Reed without his DC's input because he felt his lockerroom was soft.
As far as loyalty, that is are in this day and age of free agency and massive salaries. You don't think Kraft deserves any respect for it? Not all owners could pull it off.
less in salary but more in commercial endorsements, lol
Brady is highly unusual in that he's willing to be paid less than he could in order to improve the team. Not alone but certainly there are few QB's that would be as forgiving if they had his stature
I wonder how loyal Brady would be if his coach had been Jeff Fisher and his owner someone like Jimmy Haslam with a crappy team year after year.
And in those circumstances, would Brady have been even half way as good as he is now? My guess is probably not.
I wonder how loyal Brady would be if his coach had been Jeff Fisher and his owner someone like Jimmy Haslam with a crappy team year after year.
I need help with this. Honest question. Does anyone remember Smith ever owning up to a mistake?
Is that common among GMs? It's standard fare for coaches.