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All encompassing Rick Smith thread

Cute headline.

This is borderline asinine. The article only deals with direct game day payments. Everyone above 2 brain cells knew the NFL owners weren't getting rich on gate and concessions. Naming rights, endorsements, brands. How exactly do you think the Cowboys & Patriots have 2-3 times the revenue of all other teams?

Bottom 5 revenue going into last season - Bills, Browns, Lions, Bengals, Buccaneers. 5 teams, 0 playoff wins since 2002. Yeah winning and winning legacies have nothing to do with revenue.
 
infantrycak said:
Cute headline.

This is borderline asinine. The article only deals with direct game day payments. Everyone above 2 brain cells knew the NFL owners weren't getting rich on gate and concessions. Naming rights, endorsements, brands. How exactly do you think the Cowboys & Patriots have 2-3 times the revenue of all other teams?

Bottom 5 revenue going into last season - Bills, Browns, Lions, Bengals, Buccaneers. 5 teams, 0 playoff wins since 2002. Yeah winning and winning legacies have nothing to do with revenue.
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"2 brain cells," huh?
 
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Shishkabob said:
no they are 2 different men, but to act like you know for a fact all one owner cares about is winning win all another cares about is money is absurd.

you claim Jerry Jones cares about winning but is unlucky, yet claim mcnair just cares about money. How do you know. Mcnair has made a coaching change more recently and gm change more recently and has had more post season success since joining the league.
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Jerry Jones wants the limelight more than winning.

But atleast winning matters to him.

Jason Garrett withstanding.
 
infantrycak said:
Once more for the impaired, players make less, superstars make the same as long snapper, AND IT IS PAID BY THE LEAGUE.

Grandstand all you want. It's your 7+ year assertion to prove that winning more doesn't mean making more.
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Still no link?

And yes, I'm slightly impaired
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
"2 brain cells," huh?
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1 for breathing & heartbeat, 1 for semi-typing.

If I was including you, I would have quoted.

The idea McNair is satisfied with $400 mil when he could be making $850 mil is BS on both the money and winning fronts.

You wanna bet the top 5 on revenue over the past decade don't win more than the bottom 5? Still have that Aston Martin?
 
steelbtexan said:
Jerry Jones wants the limelight more than winning.

But atleast winning matters to him.

Jason Garrett withstanding.
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again a other post where you contradict yourself. does Jerry want the limelight or does he care about winning? All these owners cars about the money, it is a business first after all. For you to say Mcnair doesn't care about winning as long as he is making money is asinine. He could always be making more money with the team than he is. do you know how he does that? by winnig makes your brand grow thus increases your revenue. Dallas is the number 1 team in Texas by far, the only way mcnair can start chipping away at that is by winning, which in sure he cares about if for nothing else than the money.

also to prove winning equals money, the patriots are now the 2nd most valuable franchise in the NFL, they have sustained the highest value growth in the NFL since 2000, they have increased 633% where as the average team has increased 453%. the numbers without revenue sharing could potentially be a lot higher.
http://www.businessinsider.com/robert-kraft-new-england-patriots-2017-1

also notice how in this Forbes article is says how the patriots latest championship boosted their value. their merchandise revenue went up 50% since then, not to mention additional sponsorship deals they get

https://www.forbes.com/teams/new-england-patriots/

WINNING=MONEY
 
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steelbtexan said:
Wrong

Back when the Oilers were in the playoffs it was reported in the Chronicle that Bud made more $$$$ with a 1st rd playoff loss than he would have if the Oilers made the Super Bowl.

I know times have changed and you may be right, if you have a link proving what you say is correct I would certainly love to read it.
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That must have been another McClain 'gem'
 
infantrycak said:
Cute headline.

This is borderline asinine. The article only deals with direct game day payments. Everyone above 2 brain cells knew the NFL owners weren't getting rich on gate and concessions. Naming rights, endorsements, brands. How exactly do you think the Cowboys & Patriots have 2-3 times the revenue of all other teams?

Bottom 5 revenue going into last season - Bills, Browns, Lions, Bengals, Buccaneers. 5 teams, 0 playoff wins since 2002. Yeah winning and winning legacies have nothing to do with revenue.
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In professional sports...winning is the bottom line. Being the top winner once is a beginning...consistently winning is the foundation in which great organizations flourish so when a down season here or there pop up, it's not a total disaster. The Texans found a winning season here and there but they did not possess the know-how to sustain the momentum.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Cant be because they haven't won jack in over 20 years +. 24 to be exact. How does that constitute winning matters to him.
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They haven't won a single conference championship let alone even made a SB appearance since the 20th century, just an average to slightly above average team this century and yet their popularity continues ? Jones is a master promoter, got to give it to up for him.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
In professional sports...winning is the bottom line. Being the top winner once is a beginning...consistently winning is the foundation in which great organizations flourish so when a down season here or there pop up, it's not a total disaster. The Texans found a winning season here and there but they did not possess the know-how to sustain the momentum.
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And?

The discussion was whether winning makes money.

I don't recall the Oilers being called America's team, appearing on the Love Boat, having 50k+ applicants for cheerleader, etc. That was built on 30+ years of winning. Winning so often and consistently that even after 25 years that's still what people expect and think is right around the corner. Bill Belichick is still chasing Landry records.

Winning & and a white knights (despite the missteps) image are why the Cowboys make over twice what the Texans do. It's insane for steelb to think "greedy" McNair doesn't care about an extra half bil a year.

Texansballer74 said:
Cant be because they haven't won jack in over 20 years +. 24 to be exact. How does that constitute winning matters to him.
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They ownedd the NFL before he bought them. Then they built possibly the most well-balanced dominant team ever...without him. Jerry's been trying to prove himself since Jimmy left. You can't fly off a hero with 2 football legends on your kill list.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
In professional sports...winning is the bottom line. Being the top winner once is a beginning...consistently winning is the foundation in which great organizations flourish so when a down season here or there pop up, it's not a total disaster. The Texans found a winning season here and there but they did not possess the know-how to sustain the momentum.
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If McNair truly cared about winning why would he only interview 2 guys and hire one that were main contributors to a 4-12 season?
 
steelbtexan said:
If McNair truly cared about winning why would he only interview 2 guys and hire one that were main contributors to a 4-12 season?
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Using your logic if he'd had had a dozen folks in town to interview then he really cares about winning, or maybe 25 even better ?
You just whine and ***** and complain, that's your schtick isn't it ? You got that rag on all month.
 
infantrycak said:
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Wait so Gaine (your 2nd choice) is good or bad? He contributed whatz where? What does the magic sack say?
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This ha nothing to do with the Gaine hire. This has to do with the interview process or lack there of by McNair that lead to Gaine's hiring and you know that.

# Deez Nuts sack

Please stop with the cute little BS sh!t if you want to continue this conversation.
 
Lol, Steelb the jedi troll...you all need to stop trying to talk to this dude. In his mind he'll always be right about what's going on over on Kirby b/c the Texans don't win big..........no matter how ridiculous the assertions he makes.
 
IDEXAN said:
Using your logic if he'd had had a dozen folks in town to interview then he really cares about winning, or maybe 25 even better ?
You just whine and ***** and complain, that's your schtick isn't it ? You got that rag on all month.
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How about interviewing ANYBODY from outside the org? Wouldn't trying to learn new ways other orgs go about doing their business be a prudent thing to do?

Is that whining in your book? Or just questioning if the McNairs were being smart in the GM search?
 
steelbtexan said:
How about interviewing ANYBODY from outside the org? Wouldn't trying to learn new ways other orgs go about doing their business be a prudent thing to do?

Is that whining in your book? Or just questioning if the McNairs were being smart in the GM search?
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I forget who but someone here put 2 and 2 together. This whole hiring a firm and asking for permission to interview playoff team GMs knowing there was a big possibility to be declined points to the fact the Gaine was the man all along. Everything else was just a smokescreen to make it LOOK like a search.

Don't know how much truth there is to it but it's certainly plausible as Mcnair seems to like continuity so being set on hiring someone who has been here before makes that much more sense
 
Mr teX said:
Lol, Steelb the jedi troll...you all need to stop trying to talk to this dude. In his mind he'll always be right about what's going on over on Kirby b/c the Texans don't win big..........no matter how ridiculous the assertions he makes.
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Tell me more about these ridiculous assertions? There's 15 yrs of evidence that I could possibly be on to something?

Can you honestly say the Texans org has always done everything possible to put the best product on the field possible? Because if the answer is NO, then you should question the McNair's will to bring a championship to this city.

But you wont do that because then you would have to look at the way things are instead of the way you hope things will be. Besides it's much easier to call me a troll than objectively look at things like how/why the McNair's conducted the GM search the way they did.

But you're right about 1 thing, the McNair's must not truly be all about the $$$$. Because if they were they wouldn't have wasted their $$$$ on the scam Korn-Ferry GM search.
 
adama51 said:
I forget who but someone here put 2 and 2 together. This whole hiring a firm and asking for permission to interview playoff team GMs knowing there was a big possibility to be declined points to the fact the Gaine was the man all along. Everything else was just a smokescreen to make it LOOK like a search.

Don't know how much truth there is to it but it's certainly plausible as Mcnair seems to like continuity so being set on hiring someone who has been here before makes that much more sense
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SHAM POO
 
adama51 said:
I forget who but someone here put 2 and 2 together. This whole hiring a firm and asking for permission to interview playoff team GMs knowing there was a big possibility to be declined points to the fact the Gaine was the man all along. Everything else was just a smokescreen to make it LOOK like a search.

Don't know how much truth there is to it but it's certainly plausible as Mcnair seems to like continuity so being set on hiring someone who has been here before makes that much more sense
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This is all I was trying to say and I get called a troll. LOL
 
Shishkabob said:
probably because when you get proven wrong you just ignore it and move on to repeating your sane crap in a different thread
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What was I proven wrong about?

Obviously you didn't read the article CnD posted.

If you disagree with the article fine. I happen to agree with it.
 
adama51 said:
I forget who but someone here put 2 and 2 together. This whole hiring a firm and asking for permission to interview playoff team GMs knowing there was a big possibility to be declined points to the fact the Gaine was the man all along. Everything else was just a smokescreen to make it LOOK like a search.

Don't know how much truth there is to it but it's certainly plausible as Mcnair seems to like continuity so being set on hiring someone who has been here before makes that much more sense
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If that were the case, McNair willingly threw money down the drain. That seems opposite of what a good business man would do. There's nothing wrong with hiring the person you want. Yes, there's the Rooney Rule so he had to interview someone of color. He did that.

It just doesn't make sense to me. McNair is a good business man. He doesn't like throwing money away, it's counter to what I would expect from a man of McNair's background.
 
steelbtexan said:
What was I proven wrong about?

Obviously you didn't read the article CnD posted.

If you disagree with the article fine. I happen to agree with it.
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you said winning doesn't make a team more money, I proved it did you ignored it. 1 article saying how it cost a team money for going to the playoffs doesn't disprove that they make a ton more from gaining more sponsors, increased merchandise sales, and increasing your brand. People flock to winners, hence a bandwagon fan. there is a reason why the patriots before the 2000's were middle of the road in terms of franchise value, and now they are number 2. you can dispute facts all you want it doesn't make you right
 
banned1976 said:
If that were the case, McNair willingly threw money down the drain. That seems opposite of what a good business man would do. There's nothing wrong with hiring the person you want. Yes, there's the Rooney Rule so he had to interview someone of color. He did that.

It just doesn't make sense to me. McNair is a good business man. He doesn't like throwing money away, it's counter to what I would expect from a man of McNair's background.
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could be as simple as the search firm confirmed what the Texans already knew.
 
banned1976 said:
If that were the case, McNair willingly threw money down the drain. That seems opposite of what a good business man would do. There's nothing wrong with hiring the person you want. Yes, there's the Rooney Rule so he had to interview someone of color. He did that.

It just doesn't make sense to me. McNair is a good business man. He doesn't like throwing money away, it's counter to what I would expect from a man of McNair's background.
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I agree with the fact that businessmen don't just throw away money but we don't know how much he paid the firm in the first place. it could've been pennies to him for all we know.

I'm not saying that is definitely what happened but if he did pay that firm big bucks he certainly didn't get his money's worth if all he got was 1 interview.
 
Shishkabob said:
you said winning doesn't make a team more money, I proved it did you ignored it. 1 article saying how it cost a team money for going to the playoffs doesn't disprove that they make a ton more from gaining more sponsors, increased merchandise sales, and increasing your brand. People flock to winners, hence a bandwagon fan. there is a reason why the patriots before the 2000's were middle of the road in terms of franchise value, and now they are number 2. you can dispute facts all you want it doesn't make you right
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I'm saying I agree with the article CnD posted.

It also costs more $$$$ to put a team like the Pats together. GM/Asst coaches/med staff etc... get paid more.

The McNair's have made almost 2 billion $$$$ in 15 yrs using the non contender model THEY set up. I dont really expect much to change (See: GM search) but hopefully they get lucky with Gaine.

Would you say the Texans org is a forward thinking org? Or are they just looking to make another 2-3 bil in another 15 yrs?
 
adama51 said:
I agree with the fact that businessmen don't just throw away money but we don't know how much he paid the firm in the first place. it could've been pennies to him for all we know.

I'm not saying that is definitely what happened but if he did pay that firm big bucks he certainly didn't get his money's worth if all he got was 1 interview.
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Yeah. The point that McNair paid Korn Ferry and they only interviewed 2 people was brought up on 610 yesterday and I've been wondering about it since then. And Korn Ferry have had some misses. They were involved in the Browns hiring Sashi Brown, Paul DePodesta and Andrew Berry. That team of FO personnel is 1-31 with Sashi Brown recently fired. They also "helped" the Jets find John Idzik. So I'm not so sure Korn Ferry was even the right firm to go to. I would have rather they hired someone like Bill Parcells to help them in their GM search. That's how I would have conducted the search. Consult with a powerful ex GM or HC to find the right guy.
 
infantrycak said:
You have no idea the Pats pay more.
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Which is why I said upthread I would like to see how the Texans asst coaches stack up to the rest of the NFL payroll wise.

But it does stand to reason AC that are on winnig staffs get paid more so that they dont move on to HC gigs. See : McDaniels turning down HC gigs last yr.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm saying I agree with the article CnD posted.

It also costs more $$$$ to put a team like the Pats together. GM/Asst coaches/med staff etc... get paid more.

The McNair's have made almost 2 billion $$$$ in 15 yrs using the non contender model THEY set up. I dont really expect much to change (See: GM search) but hopefully they get lucky with Gaine.

Would you say the Texans org is a forward thinking org? Or are they just looking to make another 2-3 bil in another 15 yrs?
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the patriots actually spend less than a lot of other teams do, they generally run less positional coaches than other organizations, they run with less FO staff than most organizations. so that kind of debunks your point right there. But of you read the article I posted after the patriots won last years superbowl their merchandise revenue went up 50%, that would be well more than enough to cover some extra medical staff, coaches etc. not to mention additional money they make from gaining sponsorships from winning.

you claimed mcnair just cares about the money, of that's the case he should want to win more, because winning=money. you have yet to disprove that
 
banned1976 said:
Yeah. The point that McNair paid Korn Ferry and they only interviewed 2 people was brought up on 610 yesterday and I've been wondering about it since then. And Korn Ferry have had some misses. They were involved in the Browns hiring Sashi Brown, Paul DePodesta and Andrew Berry. That team of FO personnel is 1-31 with Sashi Brown recently fired. They also "helped" the Jets find John Idzik. So I'm not so sure Korn Ferry was even the right firm to go to. I would have rather they hired someone like Bill Parcells to help them in their GM search. That's how I would have conducted the search. Consult with a powerful ex GM or HC to find the right guy.
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thanks for the correction. I don't know why I said they only got 1 interview. Also, youre not the only person ive seen question the Korn Ferry hire. All in all I hope its like what Shishkabob said and the search firm confirmed what the Texans already knew
 
Shishkabob said:
the patriots actually spend less than a lot of other teams do, they generally run less positional coaches than other organizations, they run with less FO staff than most organizations. so that kind of debunks your point right there. But of you read the article I posted after the patriots won last years superbowl their merchandise revenue went up 50%, that would be well more than enough to cover some extra medical staff, coaches etc. not to mention additional money they make from gaining sponsorships from winning.

you claimed mcnair just cares about the money, of that's the case he should want to win more, because winning=money. you have yet to disprove that
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IMHo mcNair making more than 2 bil in 15 yrs (More than any other owner besides Jerrah in that time frame) kinda proves my point.
 
steelbtexan said:
IMHo mcNair making more than 2 bil in 15 yrs (More than any other owner besides Jerrah in that time frame) kinda proves my point.
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not really the Texans were a brand new team, brand new fan base in a football starved town. anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence could have guessed they were going to make money hand over foot right away. How do sustain that income? by winning. you literally can't prove your point so you spout useless drivel.

it is no coincidence that the team that has won the most since 2000 has also increased its overall value the most in that time frame.
 
steelbtexan said:
Like they already knew they wanted Gaine over Raye?
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Yea they wanted Gaine all along it's pretty obvious. they hire a search firm so they can get a lost of candidates, their pros and cons etc, once they get that information they see hey Gaine is at the top of their list too. they bring Gaine in for an interview, he blows them away, they know he will be aligned with Obrien so they make the hire. I wanted them to interview more people too, but because they didn't doesn't mean mcnair doesn't care
 
Shishkabob said:
not really the Texans were a brand new team, brand new fan base in a football starved town. anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence could have guessed they were going to make money hand over foot right away. How do sustain that income? by winning. you literally can't prove your point so you spout useless drivel.

it is no coincidence that the team that has won the most since 2000 has also increased its overall value the most in that time frame.
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Well it appears the Houston starvation for football is going to be an ongoing thing. So you can expect more of the same of what we've seen for the last 15 yrs. Unless the McNairs get extremely lucky and Gaine is a great hir/BOB become a HOF type HC/Watson becomes a HOF QB.

We aren't going to agree despite CnD's article and the fact that McNair doesn't appear to agree with you after looking at his GM hires. It's time for me to move on to a different topic. I've wasted far too much time over the yrs on this topic. The McNair's are who they are and aren't going to change. We as fans have to accept this and accept the fact that the McNair's have made billions while putting an overall subpar product on the field.
 
steelbtexan said:
Well it appears the Houston starvation for football is going to be an ongoing thing. So you can expect more of the same of what we've seen for the last 15 yrs. Unless the McNairs get extremely lucky and Gaine is a great hir/BOB become a HOF type HC/Watson becomes a HOF QB.

We aren't going to agree despite CnD's article and the fact that McNair doesn't appear to agree with you after looking at his GM hires. It's time for me to move on to a different topic. I've wasted far too much time over the yrs on this topic. The McNair's are who they are and aren't going to change. We as fans have to accept this and accept the fact that the McNair's have made billions while putting an overall subpar product on the field.
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So you were probed wrong and are done arguing your point? you still have done nothing to dispell that winning=money.
 
Shishkabob said:
Yea they wanted Gaine all along it's pretty obvious. they hire a search firm so they can get a lost of candidates, their pros and cons etc, once they get that information they see hey Gaine is at the top of their list too. they bring Gaine in for an interview, he blows them away, they know he will be aligned with Obrien so they make the hire. I wanted them to interview more people too, but because they didn't doesn't mean mcnair doesn't care
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Or McNair wanted to keep the seat warm for Ricky could make some sense, even if Ricky doesn't have the same title when he gets back. After all Ricky's family, whose opinion do you think the McNair's are going to trust the most Ricky's or Gaine/BOB's?
 
Shishkabob said:
So you were probed wrong and are done arguing your point? you still have done nothing to dispell that winning=money.
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What do you want me to say?

The McNair's have one of the most profitable sports franchises (All sports not just football) in the world putting a sh!tty product on the field. Nothing more really needs to be said. But yep there in it for winning championships. LOL

No owner that is serious about winning would have Ricky in their org, much less as GM. But hey, I haven't proven anything and wont ever be able to in your mind.

# 15 yrs 2 bil = they dont need to try to win a championship and haven't been serious about winning a SB because they haven't changed the man in charge of acquiring talent or how they go about acquiring talent. I know this is a hard thing for fans to accept but it is what it is.
 
steelbtexan said:
What do you want me to say?

The McNair's have one of the most profitable sports franchises (All sports not just football) in the world putting a sh!tty product on the field. Nothing more really needs to be said. But yep there in it for winning championships. LOL

No owner that is serious about winning would have Ricky in their org, much less as GM. But hey, I haven't proven anything and wont ever be able to in your mind.

# 15 yrs 2 bil = they dont need to try to win a championship and haven't been serious about winning a SB because they haven't changed the man in charge of acquiring talent or how they go about acquiring talent. I know this is a hard thing for fans to accept but it is what it is.
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How have they not changed the man in charge of acquiring talent? they are now on their 3rd gm in 15 years? they got a guy who you even said was your #2 choice to start making those decisions. You know it is possible for Mcnair to care about both, the money he makes and winning football games right?

Also outside of Houston Rick Smith is actually very respected as is Bob Mcnair, Rick was so respected he was on the NFL competition committee until he recently resigned with his wife's illness. If Rick came back to the NFL, and the Texans let him go he wouldn't be unemployed for long
 
Shishkabob said:
How have they not changed the man in charge of acquiring talent? they are now on their 3rd gm in 15 years? they got a guy who you even said was your #2 choice to start making those decisions. You know it is possible for Mcnair to care about both, the money he makes and winning football games right?

Also outside of Houston Rick Smith is actually very respected as is Bob Mcnair, Rick was so respected he was on the NFL competition committee until he recently resigned with his wife's illness. If Rick came back to the NFL, and the Texans let him go he wouldn't be unemployed for long
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Oh, I'm sure McNair wants to win, it's just not the most important thig to him. In fant I would think putting a winning product on the field is about # 4 or 5th on his list of things of importance. (I've said this many times before)

Totally disagree about Ricky. It figures the NFL would be screwed up with the what's a catch/not a catch, any hard hit is a penalty, with such icons as Jeff Fisher/Ricy McNair on the competition committee. I would love to see if your right though and have Ricky fully out of Houston and applying/getting another GM job. Preferably in in the division. Caldwell may be moving on and I would absolutely love to watch Coughlin/Ricky work together. It would be great entertainment.
 
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