paycheck71
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When the Texans win a Superbowl, some people on this board will not be satisfied with how it was done and who gets the credit for it.
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All encompassing Rick Smith thread
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Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Where will the percentages be, more to the "not satisfied with how" or to the "I told you so" crowd?
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
I have no idea. But we'll hear things like
- they only won because the other team(s) had injuries, choked, got unlucky.
- they would have been winning superbowls for years if it weren't for the terrible owner/gm/coach
- the SB MVP was the coach's pick, no he was the GM's pick, no he was just a lucky guess because the entire front office sucks
yep that's this message board... everyone has an opinion, and that's okay
trust me, I know that term well
LoL
Are you saying we don't know how to gracefully handle success or we just like to whine?
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
Are you saying we don't know how to gracefully handle success or we just like to whine?
I feel like some people here will whine no matter what.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Some people of all perspectives are drama queens. Little black dress isn't good enough, Gotta glam the opinion with sequins and a leopard boa. Maybe Chihuahua heads as earrings for attention.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
My dad and I commonly demonstrate the perspective difference of physics v. engineering.
Yep
2. You would be correct
3. With a GM and HC on the same wave length (Which they will have to be) this wont happen
I will add 4. There will be people that say Ricky could've done the same thing if the McNairs had stuck with him.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Lol, not likely.
badboy
Hall of Fame
From a tweet of Aaron Wilson "
Texans have been informed by agent Fred Lyles that A.J. Bouye will be leaving to sign with another team
9:43 AM - 9 Mar 2017"
Jags paid him $26 million guaranteed. That would have been an extremely risky deal to match then. Let's be careful about look back "what we should of done." I was a huge proponent of Bouye often calling out posters here who said he had his break out season in 2016. 2014 was his break out season, 2016 just sealed the deal that he was not JAG. I also said the Jags deal was not a realistic match. Few if any said there goes the #8 best CB for 2017 when he signed that deal. Congrats to Jacksonville for taking the gamble.
Well, the bright side is. It's easier to say "STFU already!" and savor the moment than it is to make someone listen that is only going to be happy in misery cause they get to say "I told you so".
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Let's see the Texans get there first....then find out who on this board isn't satisfied.
I'm all for this.
So, bottom line, the Texans didn't "let Bouye walk", he wanted to go get paid and didn't want to stay here. I mean he told the team that put him on the map that he had no intention of coming back and on the first day of free agency..!! He wanted out just like Duane Brown did.
Y'all can mourn their departure all you want. I'm not. If you don't want to be here then hit the road.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I'm ok with this but I'd like to know why they felt leaving the Texans was so important. I could see this as an issue in the future if top players have no desire to even get into contract negotiations with the team.
Speculation Alert:
My theory is that Bouye wanted to be the #1 or #2 CB (and get paid like one) wherever he ended up - can't blame him for that; who doesn't want to be the starter. That was not likely with J-Jo and K-Jax here (more experience) and Kevin Johnson (high draft pick - remember Bouye was an UDFA). Once the Texans made him an offer that wasn't in Darrell Revis territory (just an example, don't go off) his agent figured he could do better.
Of course it could be as simple as since Bouye went to Central Florida, and his agent got wind that Jacksonville was interested, he just went to play close to "home".
Now, as you're wondering, if this is an issue with players not even wanting to talk to the Texans, you have to wonder what the word around the league is.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The flip side is Oz did exactly the same to come to the Texans. Damn him.
That might make the argument to be wary of those that would do so though.
I've always wondered (in general) how a team want's their GM to be viewed by potential agents/players?
And the flip side is when the Texans never win a Super Bowl, some people will be just as happy to have a team in Houston and a great game day experience.
I doubt that many folks in this board will be unhappy if the Texans won an NFL championship, regardless of how they achieved it. Most posters are hardcore Texans fans and it's all about the Lombardi trophy.
How about this franchise make it to a conference championship game before we crown their asses. . .
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Rick Smith's Eleven Draft Classes Are a Lesson In Depression
Sean Pendergast | January 10, 2018 | 5:00am
Yesterday, we tried to quantify the magnitude of the roster-build that the new Houston Texans general manager, whoever he will be, is undertaking. It's not going to be easy. One thing, though, that the new Texans' GM won't have to worry about is living up to an unattainable standard from the prior regime in drafting collegiate players.
Prior to taking his extended leave of absence last week, Rick Smith had overseen the Texans' last 11 drafts. If there was a calling card for Rick Smith the Drafter it was that he drafted tremendously in the first round from 2008 on (five players who eventually made Pro Bowls), and he and his staff were seemingly pretty good at unearthing an undrafted free agent or two, at least a couple of whom went on to become paid like marquee players on their second deals.
Now, there IS that little bugaboo of every round from the second to the seventh. That was a bit of an issue for Smith, not that he didn't find an occasional player here or there, but you need more than occasional hits in those rounds if you're operating without a franchise quarterback, which the Texans generally were until the keys were handed to Deshaun Watson at halftime of Week 1 this past season.
Basically, if Rick Smith's draft history were a script for a movie, we'd point at the beginning (the first round) and the end (undrafted dudes) and say "I like what you've done here and here," but then we'd point at the entire two hours of empty dialogue in between (rounds two through seven) and say "Now, Rick.... you need something HERE."
So as another favor to the next general manager, let's relive the drafts of the Smith Era, so that lessons can be conveyed and learned, shall we? Here we go, ranking them in reverse order from eleven down to number one..... (NOTE: Players with an asterisk were signed to a second contract after their rookie deal expired. This will be valuable information when we are done doing the rankings.)
11. Class of 2007
1 (10). Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
* 3 (73). Jacoby Jones, WR, Lane College
4 (123). Fred Bennett, DB, South Carolina
5 (144). Brandon Harrison, DB, Stanford
5 (163). Brandon Frye, T, Virginia Tech
6 (183). Kasey Studdard, G, Texas
7 (218). Zach Diles, LB, Kansas St.
COMMENT: A couple things here — first, because this is Smith's one draft class where the first round pick was an unadulterated bust (although Kevin Johnson better step his game up, too, because he's veering that way), this almost, by definition, makes it Smith's worst class. Second, the best player in the class was probably Jacoby Jones, who like many former Texans, went on to big things elsewhere, nearly winning a Super Bowl MVP in Baltimore in 2012. When the best player from a draft class is run out of town for one too many muffed punts after five years, like Jones was after the 2011 season, that's a bad class.
10. Class of 2008
* 1 (26). Duane Brown, T, Virginia Tech
3 (79). Antwaun Molden, DB, East. Kentucky
3 (89). Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia
4 (118). Xavier Adibi, LB, Virginia Tech
5 (151). Frank Okam, DT, Texas
6 (173). Dominique Barber, DB, Minnesota
7 (223). Alex Brink, QB, Washington St.
COMMENT: If you think I'm going in chronological order in this ranking, I'm not. This is in reverse order of quality. As it turns out, maybe drafting NFL players is an exercise you need to do a couple times before you get even moderately proficient, because aside from Duane Brown and a killer rookie season from Steve Slaton, this is another class with virtually no contributions to the Texans in the few years after they were drafted. So Smith's first two classes were essentially Duane Brown and a slew of premature cuts.
9. Class of 2015
1 (16). Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest
2 (43). Benardrick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi St.
3 (70). Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona St.
5 (175). Keith Mumphrey, WR, Michigan St.
6 (211). Reshard Cliett, OLB, South Florida
6 (216). Christian Covington, DT, Rice
7 (235). Kenny Hilliard, RB, LSU
COMMENTS: This class was trending in a better direction when Kevin Johnson appeared to be on his way to becoming one of the better young cornerbacks in the league. However, last year he was one of the worst, statistically and via the eye test. Bernardrick McKinney is highly thought of in the building, but didn't really show improvement in Year 3 of his career. They will probably give him a big extension this offseason, which is a LITTLE scary. The real boat anchor in this class, other than Johnson's 2017 performance, is the fact that four of the seven players in the class were gone by Week 3 of this past season. Keith Mumphrey wasn't even on the draft board for some teams when he was selected, and the Texans took him in the fifth round.
8. Class of 2010
* 1 (20). Kareem Jackson, DB, Alabama
2 (58). Ben Tate, RB, Auburn
3 (81). Earl Mitchell, DT, Arizona
4 (102). Darryl Sharpton, LB, Miami (FL)
* 4 (118). Garrett Graham, TE, Wisconsin
5 (144). Sherrick McManis, DB, Northwestern
6 (187). Shelley Smith, G, Colorado St.
6 (197). Trindon Holliday, WR, LSU
7 (227). Dorin Dickerson, WR, Pittsburgh
COMMENTS: Kareem Jackson's eight seasons of largely decent cornerback play is enough to keep this class ahead of the three before it. Other than Kareem, though, this class is probably best known for the sometimes truculent, and oft-injured Ben Tate, a couple decent backup seasons from Earl Mitchell, and a misfire on a second contract for Garrett Graham. The Trindon Holliday pick was unsung for its unintentional comedy in watching him try to field punts in his rookie training camp, and the faux outrage over what Holliday did for Denver in the 2012 playoffs.
7. Class of 2016
1 (21). Will Fuller, WR, Notre Dame
2 (50). Nick Martin, G/C, Notre Dame
3 (85). Braxton Miller, WR, Ohio State
4 (119). Tyler Ervin, RB, San Jose State
5 (159). K.J. Dillon, S, West Virginia
5 (166). D.J. Reader, NT, Clemson
COMMENTS: So far, this class has only lost Dillon, who was injured pretty much from jump when he got here in 2016, and couldn't separate himself from the pack at safety this past preseason. The best player from this draft class, hands down, has been Reader, who's solidified the nose tackle position, post-Wilfork. The key to this class will be the health and growth of Fuller, Martin, and Miller. Fuller had seven touchdowns in 17 catches with Watson as his QB in 2017. Martin was solid early in the 2017 season, but by the end of the year, had been dragged down with the rest of the offensive line. Miller finally started to click in December before getting concussed against Tennessee in Week 13. This class can move up rapidly if Fuller and Martin play consistently to the levels they've shown in spurts.
6. Class of 2014
1 (1). Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
2 (33). Xavier Su'a-Filo, G, UCLA
* 3 (65). C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa
3 (83). Louis Nix, DT, Notre Dame
4 (135). Tom Savage, QB, Pittsburgh
6 (177). Jeffrey Pagan, DE, Alabama
6 (181). Alfred Blue, RB, LSU
* 6 (211). Jay Prosch, FB, Auburn
* 7 (216). Andre Hal, DB, Vanderbilt
7 (256). Lonnie Ballentine, DB, Memphis
COMMENTS: Clowney is one of the four best draft picks of the Smith Era, which he should be as the first overall pick. The rest of this class is really hit or miss, mostly miss. Hits would include Andre Hal as starting free safety, and C.J. Fiedorowicz as a serviceable tight end (when not concussed). After that, it's a lot of disposable parts, including two of the biggest misses of the Smith Era — trading up in the third round to draft nose tackle Louis Nix (who was cut after one injured season) and the selection of Su'a-Filo with the 33rd overall pick, which when you consider ripple effects, could be the worst pick in the history of the organization.
5. Class of 2012
* 1 (26). Whitney Mercilus, DE, Illinois
3 (68). DeVier Posey, WR, Ohio St.
3 (76). Brandon Brooks, G, Miami (OH)
4 (99). Ben Jones, C, Georgia
4 (121). Keshawn Martin, WR, Michigan St.
4 (126). Jared Crick, DE, Nebraska
5 (161). Randy Bullock, K, Texas A&M
6 (195). Nick Mondek, OL, Purdue
COMMENTS: This is the rare Texans draft class where nearly everybody got on the field — sorry, Nick Mondek — and half the class became regular starters during their rookie four-year contracts. Brandon Brooks and Ben Jones were regular starters in the interior of the offensive line, and Jared Crick was the answer to a trivia question as the defensive end starting opposite J.J. Watt in Watt's near MVP season of 2014. Keshawn Martin was the master of the fair catch as a punt returner, and DeVier Posey was just named MVP of the Grey Cup final in the CFL. Another great class of WR picks. Yeesh. The crown jewel, like most Rick Smith draft classes, is their first rounder, Whitney Mercilus, who has developed into one of the more explosive pass rushers in the AFC, when healthy. (NOTE: Randy Bullock will forever be remembered as the kicker who was drafted instead of Justin Tucker. Thanks a lot, Kubes, Aggie loyalist.)
THE REST OF THE STORY
Sean Pendergast | January 10, 2018 | 5:00am
Yesterday, we tried to quantify the magnitude of the roster-build that the new Houston Texans general manager, whoever he will be, is undertaking. It's not going to be easy. One thing, though, that the new Texans' GM won't have to worry about is living up to an unattainable standard from the prior regime in drafting collegiate players.
Prior to taking his extended leave of absence last week, Rick Smith had overseen the Texans' last 11 drafts. If there was a calling card for Rick Smith the Drafter it was that he drafted tremendously in the first round from 2008 on (five players who eventually made Pro Bowls), and he and his staff were seemingly pretty good at unearthing an undrafted free agent or two, at least a couple of whom went on to become paid like marquee players on their second deals.
Now, there IS that little bugaboo of every round from the second to the seventh. That was a bit of an issue for Smith, not that he didn't find an occasional player here or there, but you need more than occasional hits in those rounds if you're operating without a franchise quarterback, which the Texans generally were until the keys were handed to Deshaun Watson at halftime of Week 1 this past season.
Basically, if Rick Smith's draft history were a script for a movie, we'd point at the beginning (the first round) and the end (undrafted dudes) and say "I like what you've done here and here," but then we'd point at the entire two hours of empty dialogue in between (rounds two through seven) and say "Now, Rick.... you need something HERE."
So as another favor to the next general manager, let's relive the drafts of the Smith Era, so that lessons can be conveyed and learned, shall we? Here we go, ranking them in reverse order from eleven down to number one..... (NOTE: Players with an asterisk were signed to a second contract after their rookie deal expired. This will be valuable information when we are done doing the rankings.)
11. Class of 2007
1 (10). Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
* 3 (73). Jacoby Jones, WR, Lane College
4 (123). Fred Bennett, DB, South Carolina
5 (144). Brandon Harrison, DB, Stanford
5 (163). Brandon Frye, T, Virginia Tech
6 (183). Kasey Studdard, G, Texas
7 (218). Zach Diles, LB, Kansas St.
COMMENT: A couple things here — first, because this is Smith's one draft class where the first round pick was an unadulterated bust (although Kevin Johnson better step his game up, too, because he's veering that way), this almost, by definition, makes it Smith's worst class. Second, the best player in the class was probably Jacoby Jones, who like many former Texans, went on to big things elsewhere, nearly winning a Super Bowl MVP in Baltimore in 2012. When the best player from a draft class is run out of town for one too many muffed punts after five years, like Jones was after the 2011 season, that's a bad class.
10. Class of 2008
* 1 (26). Duane Brown, T, Virginia Tech
3 (79). Antwaun Molden, DB, East. Kentucky
3 (89). Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia
4 (118). Xavier Adibi, LB, Virginia Tech
5 (151). Frank Okam, DT, Texas
6 (173). Dominique Barber, DB, Minnesota
7 (223). Alex Brink, QB, Washington St.
COMMENT: If you think I'm going in chronological order in this ranking, I'm not. This is in reverse order of quality. As it turns out, maybe drafting NFL players is an exercise you need to do a couple times before you get even moderately proficient, because aside from Duane Brown and a killer rookie season from Steve Slaton, this is another class with virtually no contributions to the Texans in the few years after they were drafted. So Smith's first two classes were essentially Duane Brown and a slew of premature cuts.
9. Class of 2015
1 (16). Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest
2 (43). Benardrick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi St.
3 (70). Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona St.
5 (175). Keith Mumphrey, WR, Michigan St.
6 (211). Reshard Cliett, OLB, South Florida
6 (216). Christian Covington, DT, Rice
7 (235). Kenny Hilliard, RB, LSU
COMMENTS: This class was trending in a better direction when Kevin Johnson appeared to be on his way to becoming one of the better young cornerbacks in the league. However, last year he was one of the worst, statistically and via the eye test. Bernardrick McKinney is highly thought of in the building, but didn't really show improvement in Year 3 of his career. They will probably give him a big extension this offseason, which is a LITTLE scary. The real boat anchor in this class, other than Johnson's 2017 performance, is the fact that four of the seven players in the class were gone by Week 3 of this past season. Keith Mumphrey wasn't even on the draft board for some teams when he was selected, and the Texans took him in the fifth round.
8. Class of 2010
* 1 (20). Kareem Jackson, DB, Alabama
2 (58). Ben Tate, RB, Auburn
3 (81). Earl Mitchell, DT, Arizona
4 (102). Darryl Sharpton, LB, Miami (FL)
* 4 (118). Garrett Graham, TE, Wisconsin
5 (144). Sherrick McManis, DB, Northwestern
6 (187). Shelley Smith, G, Colorado St.
6 (197). Trindon Holliday, WR, LSU
7 (227). Dorin Dickerson, WR, Pittsburgh
COMMENTS: Kareem Jackson's eight seasons of largely decent cornerback play is enough to keep this class ahead of the three before it. Other than Kareem, though, this class is probably best known for the sometimes truculent, and oft-injured Ben Tate, a couple decent backup seasons from Earl Mitchell, and a misfire on a second contract for Garrett Graham. The Trindon Holliday pick was unsung for its unintentional comedy in watching him try to field punts in his rookie training camp, and the faux outrage over what Holliday did for Denver in the 2012 playoffs.
7. Class of 2016
1 (21). Will Fuller, WR, Notre Dame
2 (50). Nick Martin, G/C, Notre Dame
3 (85). Braxton Miller, WR, Ohio State
4 (119). Tyler Ervin, RB, San Jose State
5 (159). K.J. Dillon, S, West Virginia
5 (166). D.J. Reader, NT, Clemson
COMMENTS: So far, this class has only lost Dillon, who was injured pretty much from jump when he got here in 2016, and couldn't separate himself from the pack at safety this past preseason. The best player from this draft class, hands down, has been Reader, who's solidified the nose tackle position, post-Wilfork. The key to this class will be the health and growth of Fuller, Martin, and Miller. Fuller had seven touchdowns in 17 catches with Watson as his QB in 2017. Martin was solid early in the 2017 season, but by the end of the year, had been dragged down with the rest of the offensive line. Miller finally started to click in December before getting concussed against Tennessee in Week 13. This class can move up rapidly if Fuller and Martin play consistently to the levels they've shown in spurts.
6. Class of 2014
1 (1). Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
2 (33). Xavier Su'a-Filo, G, UCLA
* 3 (65). C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa
3 (83). Louis Nix, DT, Notre Dame
4 (135). Tom Savage, QB, Pittsburgh
6 (177). Jeffrey Pagan, DE, Alabama
6 (181). Alfred Blue, RB, LSU
* 6 (211). Jay Prosch, FB, Auburn
* 7 (216). Andre Hal, DB, Vanderbilt
7 (256). Lonnie Ballentine, DB, Memphis
COMMENTS: Clowney is one of the four best draft picks of the Smith Era, which he should be as the first overall pick. The rest of this class is really hit or miss, mostly miss. Hits would include Andre Hal as starting free safety, and C.J. Fiedorowicz as a serviceable tight end (when not concussed). After that, it's a lot of disposable parts, including two of the biggest misses of the Smith Era — trading up in the third round to draft nose tackle Louis Nix (who was cut after one injured season) and the selection of Su'a-Filo with the 33rd overall pick, which when you consider ripple effects, could be the worst pick in the history of the organization.
5. Class of 2012
* 1 (26). Whitney Mercilus, DE, Illinois
3 (68). DeVier Posey, WR, Ohio St.
3 (76). Brandon Brooks, G, Miami (OH)
4 (99). Ben Jones, C, Georgia
4 (121). Keshawn Martin, WR, Michigan St.
4 (126). Jared Crick, DE, Nebraska
5 (161). Randy Bullock, K, Texas A&M
6 (195). Nick Mondek, OL, Purdue
COMMENTS: This is the rare Texans draft class where nearly everybody got on the field — sorry, Nick Mondek — and half the class became regular starters during their rookie four-year contracts. Brandon Brooks and Ben Jones were regular starters in the interior of the offensive line, and Jared Crick was the answer to a trivia question as the defensive end starting opposite J.J. Watt in Watt's near MVP season of 2014. Keshawn Martin was the master of the fair catch as a punt returner, and DeVier Posey was just named MVP of the Grey Cup final in the CFL. Another great class of WR picks. Yeesh. The crown jewel, like most Rick Smith draft classes, is their first rounder, Whitney Mercilus, who has developed into one of the more explosive pass rushers in the AFC, when healthy. (NOTE: Randy Bullock will forever be remembered as the kicker who was drafted instead of Justin Tucker. Thanks a lot, Kubes, Aggie loyalist.)
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
This is exactly what happens when an owner holds no one in his organization accountable for their results. Thanks for the story CNNND, it absolutely hammers home the feelings of many folks on this board.
This is what happens when the owner makes billions regardless of the product he puts on the field.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Really, so none of the NFL owners are trying.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Not too sure who else fits the description but as much as I hate the Cowboys (really their obnoxious fans) I'd have to put Jerruh first in the class of owners who hate to lose.
Just his actions/expessions in the owners box during games is there for all to see.
Guy wants to win above all else. Well...maybe second to making money. But he is a fan in addition to being the owner.
Still think he's a douche for the way he treated Landry.
Is Landry in the Cowboys ring of fame?
Should have been the first.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
But according to steelb he's been making money so doesn't care.
Which of course is made up BS to slag McNair.
Is Landry in the Cowboys ring of fame?
Should have been the first.
Yes he and Schramm are in the Ring of Honor. Landry couldn't be 1st because he & Schramm were in on creating it to honor Bob Lilly.
adama51
Walk-on
is this an indirect shot at OB or am I reading too much into it?
Nah, just my observation about head coaches in general. I have watched a lot of NFL Films over the years (I love football history), and I'm always impressed by the head coaches that delegate things but keep their own heads in the game for clock management, crucial decisions, and even motivating various squads and individual players when required. For instance, Tom Landry was a football genius and certainly capable of calling plays on both sides of the ball, but as a head coach, he felt his duty was to be in charge like a general of the entire operation. You see the same with Belichick. He gets involved when required, but is generally on the sideline paying attention to every little detail of the game.
I'm just not convinced that a head coach that has to keep his head in the grind of being an offensive coordinator is going to be able to real-time multitask during a game. If he's focused on fixing the offense and making adjustments while the defense is on the field, who is in charge of those crucial decisions?
adama51
Walk-on
Oh ok I got it. I agree totally then. Same as the best CFB coaches like Saban, Urban and Dabo. To the untrained eye it looks like they just stand there and yell but real fans know what goes down.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
All 32 owners make mega bucks in this league. Will you please stop using that ignorant narrative?
I can speak quite well for myself.
Owners like Jones /Lurie etc.... Want to win. But have had bad luck or done stupid things.
Owners like McNair /Brown etc... are in a different categories. They want to win but it isn't what's most important to them.
See: McNair /Ricky
Brown /Lewis
But $$$$ is more important to some than others.
Call it ignorant if you want, but sir I don't think you have a great understanding of human nature.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Sorry. I thought you were too busy speaking for me and contemplating your Ball of All Knowing.
Mangler
Toro de España
Would you mind listing the names of all the NFL team owners that say money is not important to them?
Like I said money is important to all of them, just some more than others. I thought my last post was a good illustration of the different kinds of owners. But since you want me to name a guy I would say Paul Allen is at the top of the list.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And winning more makes them more money. It's the opposite of either/or. His argument is inane.
Mangler
Toro de España
michaelm
vox nihili
Wrong
Back when the Oilers were in the playoffs it was reported in the Chronicle that Bud made more $$$$ with a 1st rd playoff loss than he would have if the Oilers made the Super Bowl.
I know times have changed and you may be right, if you have a link proving what you say is correct I would certainly love to read it.
Shishkabob
All Pro
I think you make up your own narratives and push them as fact. you have had 0 contact with any of these owners. you have no clue what makes them tick, yet you spout stuff like you do.
So Mike Brown and Bob Kraft are the same owners?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Lol, you provide an unsubstantiated illogical claim and then want me to disprove it. Ain't how it works.
Maybe there was some unique circumstance in place but it doesn't make sense as a general matter.
Players are all paid the same in the playoffs AND by the league, not the teams. Link
Now if you can come up with a way a team could lose money not just a Donald "lot's of people say I'm right" then we can talk.
So you cant prove your assertion?
Show me how much more $$$$ a team that makes a SB than a team that loses in the 1st rd of the playoffs. You cant or wont do it. I'll leave it up to others to decide which one it is.
Players make more $$$$, so it would stand to reason teams would lose money. If they break even the teams may make concession/parking $$$$$.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Once more for the impaired, players make less, superstars make the same as long snapper, AND IT IS PAID BY THE LEAGUE.
Grandstand all you want. It's your 7+ year assertion to prove that winning more doesn't mean making more.
Shishkabob
All Pro
no they are 2 different men, but to act like you know for a fact all one owner cares about is winning win all another cares about is money is absurd.
you claim Jerry Jones cares about winning but is unlucky, yet claim mcnair just cares about money. How do you know. Mcnair has made a coaching change more recently and gm change more recently and has had more post season success since joining the league.
Shishkabob
All Pro
I'm starting to realize why your always on this guys ****