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thunderkyss said:
Man... the homer in me says Watson, but Wentz is dropping dimes on the other side of the field. I don't mean other hashmark, I mean 50 yards downfield.


Dimes. & he's just as athletic as Watson. Understands the game just as well. Makes just as good decisions. But he's built more stoutly & so far appears more accurate.
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For these reasons give me Wentz.

And no, this isn't a slight on Watson.
 
steelbtexan said:
For these reasons give me Wentz.

And no, this isn't a slight on Watson.
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I'd love to see a Texans versus Eagles Super Bowl. It may happen once or twice, or more times, in the future. I think it would happen this year if we didn't lose Watt and Mercilus for the year. Getting Duane Brown back is huge though. We'll probably make the playoffs.
 
TexansBull said:
Half the risk of drafting a QB is having the right people around him for development.
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I know you're right but I don't always believe that. If the Cleveland Browns had drafted Deshaun Watson or Carson Wentz, both would still be good even with their mediocre coaching staff. It's hard to negate incredibly special talents like that even on a franchise that lacks the resources to develop them as well as other teams can.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I know you're right but I don't always believe that. If the Cleveland Browns had drafted Deshaun Watson or Carson Wentz, both would still be good even with their mediocre coaching staff. It's hard to negate incredibly special talents like that even on a franchise that lacks the resources to develop them as well as other teams can.
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I wouldn't under estimate the power of failure the Browns yield on the QB position. Lol.
 
It was not publicized, but Hightower's shoulder injury just prior to the last SB was his pectoral tendon. He played through it and later in the spring extended the partial tear (no Injury Reports required before the regular season..........and only "significant injuries" are to be reported during TC, even those many times are not). That is why there was not much enthusiasm for teams signing him as a FA, and the reason the Jets pulled their offer off the table prior to him re-signing with the Patriots.
 
Lil Shanny should've taken a page from Kubiak's book and sat tight until the right opportunity came along. It never ceases to amaze me how many jump ship to a big payday or promotion after a Superb Owl or World Series appearance, only to be dropped to the bottom while the former team continues to excel. Julius Thomas is a great example for me - left from the Broncos to join the Jaguars for a big payday, and the Broncos get another ring while he's dropping passes for a team that barely sells out its stadium. Not a choice I would have made.
 
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Flacco slid late and Kiko had already launched. Contact was certainly unavoidable. But ... what was Kiko aiming at that he blasted a 6'5" player at a 3'0" level? Is the assumption that Kiko needed a flying tackle to hit Flacco across the knees to keep him from advancing? Is Flacco assumed a rushing menace that Kiko needs to leave his feet to make a tackle against a very slow target instead of staying on his feet and driving through like every other tackle? A defender going after a quarterback would certainly want to drill the QB through the chest and destroy him ... so why did Kiko need a flying forearm shiver that knocked the helmet off of someone that was sitting down?

Things that make you go hmmmm.
 
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Aaron Rodgers discloses he has 13 screws in collarbone

QB discusses injury with Conan O'Brien

5:46 AM, Oct 26, 2017
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The Packers were reporting ~6 week return (before the end of the season). His clavicle must have been splintered (multiple pieces) to have required 13 screws. Most plated clavicles require only 6 screws.

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Some multiple fractures require 8 screws


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Some comminuted (multiple fracture fragments) require 10 screws

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The only time I've seen 13 screws (not all plate holes need be utilized) required is in a case that there is so much instability that the plate must be anchored on the lateral side.
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If the above 13 screw system was used, it required much more soft tissue disruption in order to place it and a 6 week recovery may not be impossible, but does not seem very reasonable. It will be interesting to follow his progress.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The Packers were reporting ~6 week return (before the end of the season). His clavicle must have been splintered (multiple pieces) to have required 13 screws. Most plated clavicles require only 6 screws.

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Some multiple fractures require 8 screws


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Some comminuted (multiple fracture fragments) require 10 screws

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The only time I've seen 13 screws (not all plate holes need be utilized) required is in a case that there is so much instability that the plate must be anchored on the lateral side.
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If the above 13 screw system was used, it required much more soft tissue disruption in order to place it and a 6 week recovery may not be impossible, but does not seem very reasonable. It will be interesting to follow his progress.
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Cam it restrict or interfere with his throwing motion?
 
Watching the play when Zach Miller was injured, would be surprised if this weren't an ACL.............with a throw in of another ligament or 2 in addition to mensicus and articular cartilage damage. His knee look like it totally dislocated.........similar to Cowboys Jaylon Smith. The most important thing to determine immediately is if there is any vascular damage (which would require immediate surgery, without waiting for swelling to recede) and/or nerve damage (typically to the peroneal nerve, that controls dorsiflexion of the foot, and causes foot drop if damaged..............which may or may not require surgery).
 
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Thanks CND. Man...gotta feel bad for Zach Miller.

Early morning reports:
ESPN Reports:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...oes-emergency-surgery-effort-save-injured-leg

Twitter:
Phil Murphy‏Verified account@Phil_Sports

.@mortreport is reporting doctors are trying to save Bears TE Zach Miller's leg, not just his career.

Chris Mortensen‏Verified account@mortreport

Bears TE Zach Miller was having urgent vascular surgery in New Orleans last night to repair artery damage on dislocated knee, per sources
 
Case Keenum & the Vikings are leading the NFC North. Matt Stafford & the Lions are struggling to compete.

What gives?
 
PapaL said:
Thanks CND. Man...gotta feel bad for Zach Miller.

Early morning reports:
ESPN Reports:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...oes-emergency-surgery-effort-save-injured-leg

Twitter:
Phil Murphy‏Verified account@Phil_Sports

.@mortreport is reporting doctors are trying to save Bears TE Zach Miller's leg, not just his career.

Chris Mortensen‏Verified account@mortreport

Bears TE Zach Miller was having urgent vascular surgery in New Orleans last night to repair artery damage on dislocated knee, per sources
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The significance of damage to the popliteal artery is that it is the only major artery to supply the entire leg below the knee.

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When the knee is severely dislocated, this artery can be battered, lacerated or transected altogether. I've operated on enough of these injuries (mostly as a result of auto accidents.......typically producing such injuries on the most severe end of the spectrum) to know that it is a race against the clock to either repair a laceration, or clean up the shredded ends of the transected artery and sew the clean ends together, cut out a segment of a severely battered artery and put the 2 clean ends back together. You have no more that 6 hours to explore and perform a very difficult surgery in the midst swelling and bleeding into the tissues surrounding the damage. If the distance is too great between the segments and they won't come together without tension, then a vein graft must be interposed to re-instate the blood flow to the leg. Any of these connections can bleed, fail, clot off.........and the area must be addressed as a continued dire emergency.



The back of the knee joint contains other major structures that are bunched together and are subject to damage with knee dislocations................the popliteal vein, the major vein to the lower leg.......and the the common peroneal nerve that is responsible for foot drop The tibial nerve is a large thick strong nerve that is usually spared.
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Venous blood clots (some that can reach the lungs and become life-threatening) after such a trauma is unfortunately not uncommon especially when the major popliteal vein is damaged.

The initial surgery with its many potential complications many times is obviously not where the worry stops. Ligament damage is not addressed at the initial surgery. The important first step is to save and externally stabilize the leg, and address ligaments only when swelling has resolved.

The reality of such a severe injury is that even if the blood supply can be returned to the leg, the time that it takes to re-instate it and the time the muscles supplied by the popliteal artery is cut off, may have killed enough tissue to result is significant permanent functional deficits. To summarize, Miller's injury is much more "ominous" in many ways than Bridgewater's.

Prayers to the young man that his leg can be saved.
 
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Luck is seeking at least one 2nd opinion today. I don't see this being any good sign. I don't see this last event being a "minor" setback with muscle soreness as it was characterized by the Colts. Two weeks after he received a steroid injection, he is not even returning to beginning to throw lightly on the side of the field..........rather, he is in a surgeon's office searching for answers to why he can't. The Colts and Luck need to accept that this is major setback and that he not only may not make it back at least this year, but may have also bought the "opportunity" to go back to surgery sometime down the line.
 
PapaL said:
"Successful surgery" is a good thing...right?

Updated from 1:37pm 10/30/17

Chicago Bears‏Verified account@ChicagoBears


Update from the Chicago Bears on status of TE Zach Miller.


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It is to begin with. But many things to worry about before calling the surgery "successful." As I refer to in my post. Many complications are potential especially in the next couple of weeks that can turn the tide. It happens that in Miller's case a vein graft was needed to bridge the gap from the removal of the frayed ends of the popliteal artery damage. that means that there are 2 anastomoses (connections/splices/stitch lines) rather than just 1 (as would have occurred if in the unusual circumstance of the bridge distance being short, allowing primary repair of the artery to). Hope the young man can avoid them all. But the definitive answer as to viability of the limb is too soon to feel confident in.............and the question of ultimate functionality may not be answered for quite a while.............functionality as far as just normal activities. At this point in time, I don't see return to his football career as a reasonable goal. Again don't try to compare Miller's injury to Bridgewater's..........the former from what we do know is much worse.

Primary repair with 1 anastomosis:

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Vein graft with 2 anastomoses:

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Left OTs are going down like flies. 49ers LT Joe Staley sustained an orbital fracture (the orbit is made up of all the bones surrounding the eyeball) after a hit around the head. Still can't figure out how an injury like this occurs while wearing a modern day helmet.
 
Eagles locking up the division early.
Rumors are that Dolphins WR Landry could be on the move today as well. Who needs a WR? Also seeing that Titans RB Murray could be available today.
This is turning into the NBA offseason. It's great!
 
Why can't the NFL trade deadline be this active every year? If it were then they can host an hour-long trade deadline special like they do at the MLB and NBA trading deadlines.
 
Haven't heard anything about Luck's "second opinion(s)." The longer we don't hear anything, the even more evident to me than before that he will be returning to surgery soon.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Haven't heard anything about Luck's "second opinion(s)." The longer we don't hear anything, the even more evident to me than before that he will be returning to surgery soon.
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Is Andrew Luck's career over? He's a young man at life. Should he just retire for the betterment of his future health? Even if he does come back he'll never be the elite quarterback that people thought he'd be, and which he briefly was early in his career.
 
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