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What's your plan for QB next season?
- Thread starter xtruroyaltyx
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Off topic.
What is your plan at QB?
You got that wrong Bob/Cal/Ricky McNair will be making that call if Os is the starter. BOB has already let his preference be known by making Savage HIS starter. But you're probably right, if Romo isn't brought in Os will probably be the starter. Thanks for nothing McNair's. 6%
You forgot to mention that this is your opinion and not a fact.
Scooter
Funky
Still going with the neighbor's dog at #1. Second option would be whoever anyone but O'Brien chooses to draft.
Eh... he made Mallett the starter at one time as well. Then he didn't allow him back in the game when Mallett needed a breather.
Then there was that time when O'b confessed that he never should have made a QB change even though that QB was playing extremely bad.
It's hard to really understand what O'b means when he says/does things.
You're right, BOB changes his mind on who he says gives the team the best chance to win after the new QB leads his team to a comeback win in the 4th qtr and wins the game that allows the team to go to the playoffs in his 1st start.
Yep, it was BOB's call to bench that guy. (Sracasm////)
In his season ending press conference BOB said that Ricky was over the draft and FA. So it's actually Ricky McNair's call and Ricky doesn't invest in QB's.
Not really, he wanted Hoyer to be the starter, but Hoyer stunk so he went with Mallett who BOB thought gave the team the best chance to win. (Kinda like with Savage.) Mallett flaked out and BOB went back to Hoyer.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Pretty much sums it all up. Excellent. I agree that OB had to have seen these flaws during the course of the season and had to have been addressing these in the weekly film sessions. At the conclusion of the season I wrote that Oz was in OB's doghouse going into the off season. Whatever patience he may have had early, it was obvious to me it was gone by season's end. There's an opportunity for Savage, Weeden, or whom ever, to win the QB1 spot.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
True but we need to do better if we want sustained success beyond a bunch of 9-7 seasons where we barely make or miss the playoffs.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
Myself personally would have an open and fair battle for the starters role at Qb. I think under the circumstances that would benefit all our Qb's.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
We'll know more if all the Qb's go in as equals battling for the starters role. Regardless of what we witnessed last season from BO it will become more apparent in training camp that he is too flawed or he will show much needed improvement. In a Qb battle the pressure is good for all the Qb's involved. The cream will rise to the top.
I would like to see us draft a young upstart at Qb and go into the preseason with 4 Qb's. One would be inevitably released and we would end up with three Qb's. The rookie would need to show enough promise to take a job from one of the other three. This is if we can't get Tony Romo or another talented Qb as a free agent or in a trade. If Qb is a problem yet again we just continue to draft a Qb each season as needed or a proven Qb becomes available by way of trade or free agency on any given season.
While I don't mind one the FA QBs supposedly on the market, I think they also come with "warts"; ie., health or money problem (Romo, Cutler, Taylor)
Keenum is better bet than Mike Glennon and might cost less.
Plus he had a TC with the Texans already.
I'd rather use the money on a FA OT.
That done, I'd draft a couple more QBs.
Savage has not done enough to show that he's a better option than Keenum, especially with his health status.
Keenum had shown that he can get the ball out quickly (third in time from snap to pass.)
I prefer to have Keenum, Savage, and two rookies in TC.
Shop Osweiler around.
If he's any good, maybe the Broncos will take him back. LOL.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I'd have gotten rid of OB two seasons ago.
if he keeps having "winning seasons" though I'm not sure he'll ever get fired though.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I like Keemun as a back up qb to have, but going in with him Savage and two rookies is pretty much flushing the season.
I think you have to at least put forth a solid effort. This group of guys aren't getting any younger.
So many fans are in franchise building mode instead of win now mode ..... I don't think they realize this team as currently constructed has a shot at winning a Lombardi Trophy with a competent signal caller , doesn't even have to be a "special" player , just competent , one who doesn't make many mistakes and is accurate , you know , the Anti_Os.
Sure wish KC would cut Alex Smith .... or we could find another Schaub , pre meltdown.
I would rather see the Texans trade for Jimmy G than go this route. 4 QB's, two of which are rookies, is a bit much. I'd offer Hopkins straight up and could be enticed into adding JJo if NE was willing to give up a draft pick.
New Plan:
The Redskins keep p*ssy-footing around with Kirk Cousins.
Make the Redskins a trade offer for him. I'd give up our 1st (or a couple of 2nds) for Cousins without blinking.
Dude's a baller.
Not injury prone like Romo.
Not ancient like Cutler.
Waaaay more experience than Garoppolo.
Has performed well in two different offensive systems (Shanahan and Gruden) so he should be able to adapt to O'Brien's.
What's not to like? am I missing something? Yeah, I know he'll be pricey.
The Redskins keep p*ssy-footing around with Kirk Cousins.
Make the Redskins a trade offer for him. I'd give up our 1st (or a couple of 2nds) for Cousins without blinking.
Dude's a baller.
Not injury prone like Romo.
Not ancient like Cutler.
Waaaay more experience than Garoppolo.
Has performed well in two different offensive systems (Shanahan and Gruden) so he should be able to adapt to O'Brien's.
What's not to like? am I missing something? Yeah, I know he'll be pricey.
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I would rather see the Texans trade for Jimmy G than go this route. 4 QB's, two of which are rookies, is a bit much. I'd offer Hopkins straight up and could be enticed into adding JJo if NE was willing to give up a draft pick.
I'd give 2 2's for him.
So much for Cousins, Obi
Kirk Cousins has received the franchise tag for the second year in a row.
Mike McCartney, the agent for the Redskins quarterback, announced on Tuesday that the team has placed an exclusive franchise tag on Cousins. The exclusive tender means that Cousins won’t be able to negotiate with other teams, who would have had the option of signing him to an offer sheet and sending two first-round picks to the Redskins as compensation had the team used the non-exclusive version.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
AD and Charles were released.
Trade Lamar Miller, bring AD and Charles home to Texas. Get Romo. Draft Mahomes and 2 or three OL.
Pound the rock to keep Romo upright. Use multiple backs to keep AD and Charles upright.
Win. Let's go for it.
Trade Lamar Miller, bring AD and Charles home to Texas. Get Romo. Draft Mahomes and 2 or three OL.
Pound the rock to keep Romo upright. Use multiple backs to keep AD and Charles upright.
Win. Let's go for it.
Your plan is to pound the rock with 2 older, oft injured running backs with an even more injury prone QB behind a bad or half rookie OL? This is considered a successful plan to you? SMDH.
Texansballer74
The Marine
The best plan I read in weeks. I'm on board but Coach/GM do you think the Redskins will take Brock and or Savage? Or do you eat the cost on Brock and cut him?
In the last two seasons the two of them have combined for all of 447 carries. And they may have about 1 and a half good knees between them.
It would be some storybook stuff, but man, that's kinda why that stuff is in storybooks.
Cousins got the exclusive rights franchise tag today. That gives it about a .00000001% chance of happening, considering the cap space Os is taking up.
jradMIT
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jradMIT
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I'd rather go out and get (zeitler, Leary or the like) and Wagner, draft one or 2 rbs and pound the ball that way
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Cousins has a $24M cap hit this year thanks to the exclusive rights franchise tag. I would think it would be very hard to negotiate anything resembling a long term commitment that the Texans can afford. Anything they did would make Os' contract look like chump change.
jradMIT
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It would take 50+M guaranteed but it could be done, there is enough maneuverability if there was the will to get it done.
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There has to be a will on both sides, though. What sense of urgency does Cousins have to come here, when he allegedly prefers SF and Baby Shanny? SF has more than enough cap space to do whatever they like.
thetexanator
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PATRICK MAHOMES. the solution
Extremely poor mechanics is his biggest problem. I'd take a flyer on him the middle rounds and see if he can be groomed. The mechanics really worry me at the NFL level.
thetexanator
Veteran
i dont care about his car maintenance! hes a gunslinger BAR NONE
Dammit!!
They did that just to piss me off.
Just like lots of other Tech QB's. The NFL is where Tech QB's go to die. I kinda like Mahomes and have posted a few posts supporting him, but I don't think he's a miracle worker or definite better than potential average NFL QB. I detest gunslingers as NFL QB's. I would've traded Favre in his prime. Dumb? Maybe, but that's my personal viewpoint on the subject.
CloakNNNdagger
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Texansballer74
The Marine
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Who said anything about 2 running backs?
And who said anything about a bad or half rookie OL?
And who said that I considered it to be a successful plan?
Yeah , his mechanics are sloppy .... he reminds me of Johnny Football in that regard , really loose with the ball in the pocket and out.
But damnit man , Kizer (My personal favorite of this group) , Trubisky (flawless mechanics) and Watson (Don't Want) .... are all likely to be long gone by the time the Texans are on the clock .... Mahomes is the next best guy and might be the best athlete and have the highest upside of them all.
If you can clean up his mechanics you have a guy who has all the tools .... Size , big arm , great athleticism , doesn't lock onto receivers , reads a defense pre and post snap , good pocket presence and a solid internal clock , knowing when to let it fly or move around.
The only knocks on the guy are mechanics that need to be cleaned up and coming from that spread system.
If he's on the board at 1:25 I'm picking the guy .... Romo or no Romo.
Let's go Texans
Practice Squad
Mahomes is far from a "can't miss" guy, but I think the issue with his mechanics is slightly overrated. He can make ALL the throws and the angle of his primary release is pretty consistent. His main issue is his footwork. He can get impatient with his feet. But that can be taught. That was a knock on Brees when he came into the league. I'd be fine with them drafting Mahomes if they were able to somehow bring Romo in to sorta groom the kid.
That being said, I'm all in on Deshaun Watson. The kid is a winner and he cares about playing and being as good as he can be. He will stay in the film room and work on what he needs to work on. But he shows up in big games and doesnt let pressure get to him. He's composed and patient. I think he has a huge future.
That being said, I'm all in on Deshaun Watson. The kid is a winner and he cares about playing and being as good as he can be. He will stay in the film room and work on what he needs to work on. But he shows up in big games and doesnt let pressure get to him. He's composed and patient. I think he has a huge future.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I feel like stepping into throws is something that isn't really on the coach. That's why it scares me so much. Surely, his college coach is teaching him not to fade and throw off his back foot, right? So, why is he not doing that? It makes me feel like he's afraid of the contact, which is a serious problem. When's the last time you saw a QB play a serious game clean, where he isn't needed to step into a throw knowing he is going to get hit?
It'd be one thing if it was about making reads or strictly about him playing in an odd offense. Maybe, that guy can be coached to do something else. But when it's a fundamental part of the game, that's all on the QB and not the coach, and it's hugely a part of the next level, it's a serious problem.
It'd be one thing if it was about making reads or strictly about him playing in an odd offense. Maybe, that guy can be coached to do something else. But when it's a fundamental part of the game, that's all on the QB and not the coach, and it's hugely a part of the next level, it's a serious problem.
Idk, I've seen Mahomes step into throws in the face of contact several times.
He has kind of a lazy quality about his approach to his footwork that lends to him often throwing off his back foot regardless of whether there's a defender approaching or not and I think that tendency makes it look like he's shying away from contact more often than he really is.
He has kind of a lazy quality about his approach to his footwork that lends to him often throwing off his back foot regardless of whether there's a defender approaching or not and I think that tendency makes it look like he's shying away from contact more often than he really is.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I agree.
And I think that is overblown.
All qbs have instances where they throw awkwardly or off their back foot or their mechanics fail when pressure is in their face.
I think trubisky has the best mechanics of the group by a mile and I literally can pull up video of Trubisky's mechanics failing and him throwing off his back foot when he's pressured.
The thing I like about Mahomes though is that despite the mechanics he is able to make good accurate throws from awkward positions. The throws I'm talking about from Mitch he misses his targets consistently when his mechanics fail and he's pressured.
Mechanics fail for all players at times. It's the nature of sports. But the special players can often make plays from positions that other guys can't.
Easy comparison for me is basketball. Good scorers don't always use great technique. Because defenders don't always allow them too. But when you can get your shot off in non traditional ways you excel.
Football example from another position is JJ watt. If you're teaching Dline fundamentals he's a hard guy to watch and learn from. Romo, Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Big Ben...all of those guys have some untraditional approaches to the game whether it's from a mental, physical or both standpoint.
That's why a lot of the best players aren't always the best front office guys or coaches...because some of the things they do can't be taught.
Now, you have to balance that with good decision making and having a feel for when is the best time to get away with that.
Mahomes is my favorite in this class and I'm not really a fan of Watson at all or Kiser.
I'll back up my opinions with what I see and I'll point it out on film but I think when you scout players you always have to have an open mind you could be wrong. Lots of factors besides play on the field and even play on the field can be misjudged. Heck even guys that show NFL success one year can look bad the next year.
But when I see mahomes I think he's about as good of a value at qb as you could hope for where we'll be picking if he makes it there. If it's not him or Trubisky then I don't think I even want one of the other guys slotted to go first round and I haven't looked at the next group of guys except peterman and he looks like Savage to me who I never wanted in the first place.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I don't really need to provide the links. They are there to be seen by anyone who chooses. When there is pressure he either evades and throws a prayer, throws off his back foot and throws a prayer, or throws it away. It doesn't help either that his entire schedule is that of teams that are terrible at defense. Did he play any team that had a top 20 defense? How many teams that have a top 50 defense? I'll answer it, zero in the top 50.
Tech was all about short quick stuff. They threw quick slants or quick tosses and relied on RAC 70+% of the time.
Tech was all about short quick stuff. They threw quick slants or quick tosses and relied on RAC 70+% of the time.
Like I said, I've seen him stand in front of pressure and throw several times without turning away. They're there to be seen by anyone who chooses.
I've also seen him complete downfield throws more than slants and quick tosses on multiples occasions. Accurately, btw.
I've also seen him complete downfield throws more than slants and quick tosses on multiples occasions. Accurately, btw.
With the exclusive tag, teams cannot even negotiate with him. You'd have to negotiate a trade with Washington and I'm thinking it would cost at least 3 1's
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Oh, he throws downfield. I'm not saying he only throws short, but it's a great percentage of what Tech does. People citing completion percentage need to check the tape, most throws are within a second or MAYBE two of the snap.
You see great arm talent. He can flick his wrist and make Aaron Rodgers throws, seriously, I give him that. You see some of these throws and they are wow impressive. I just don't see structure and I see a lot of warts that aren't on coaching.
Agree to disagree. When I see a guy that plays crap defense and shies away from throwing in tough situations, I'm afraid of that. If I thought it was a coachable issue, I'd be all for taking him 1st round. Probably would trade up for him. But there is a reason he isn't the top guy, because he has the top arm, no questions asked. And that's in a poor QB class. The top guy has one year under his belt.
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