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If Brock is basically a rookie, then Savage is still a college senior.
If Brock ever get the chance to start, he will be view by many as a rookie. He's literally not a rookie but by game data , he's a rookie. Lol
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If Brock is basically a rookie, then Savage is still a college senior.
If Brock ever get the chance to start, he will be view by many as a rookie. He's literally not a rookie but by game data , he's a rookie. Lol
Man, I know he hasn't played well - and we could say he "technically" hasn't started anything. That's harsh...
Or you meant Savage
If Brock ever get the chance to start, he will be view by many as a rookie. He's literally not a rookie but by game data , he's a rookie. Lol
Drunk this early?
If Brock ever get the chance to start, he will be view by many as a rookie. He's literally not a rookie but by game data , he's a rookie. Lol
If Savage did start, he would immediately look better and cause a QB controversy. Which is why Brock hasn't been benched.
The back up QB is always the best player on the team, you know, till he actually plays.
Nah he'll just fumble pass the bambino to his wife.Random Brock News:
Hope he's not intercepted on the way back from the hospital.
Nah he'll just fumble pass the bambino to his wife.
Congrats Brock.
It was funny at the time but still a crap call by the refs.
that looked more like a pass than that damned "Tuck Rule" pass by Brady and they called Brady's fumble an incomplete passIt was funny at the time but still a crap call by the refs.
Phillip Rivers had the ball knocked out right before he threw the pass in the game against the Broncos. Looked like a fumble to me but it was called an incomplete pass.that looked more like a pass than that damned "Tuck Rule" pass by Brady and they called Brady's fumble an incomplete pass
I was thinking of this same comparison.that looked more like a pass than that damned "Tuck Rule" pass by Brady and they called Brady's fumble an incomplete pass
If Savage did start, he would immediately look better and cause a QB controversy. Which is why Brock hasn't been benched.
I was rooting for Brock, and I wanted him to run away with the starting job. But that long wind up just doesn't fit this offense. And it'll be two more years minimum before McNair and Smith decide to do something about it. So we're stuck unless he gets hurt, which I'm not rooting for either.
So the question is why would Savage look better (if he would).
Remember Kirk Cousins? Look back at how he finished the end of 2013. Some good, some bad.
He started all of 2014... had that "You like that!!!" moment. Then started playing better game by game.
Now, he's top four in passing yards.
Hopefully, we've gotten past that "You like that!!!" moment with Brock & he'll start playing better. Good enough to actually compete in the playoffs. Then next year, maybe he'll be top four in passing yards.
The team seems to be coming together pretty well around him.
It's an exercise of futility, IMO.
So the question is why would Savage look better (if he would).
Remember Kirk Cousins? Look back at how he finished the end of 2013. Some good, some bad.
He started all of 2014... had that "You like that!!!" moment. Then started playing better game by game.
Now, he's top four in passing yards.
Hopefully, we've gotten past that "You like that!!!" moment with Brock & he'll start playing better. Good enough to actually compete in the playoffs. Then next year, maybe he'll be top four in passing yards.
The team seems to be coming together pretty well around him.
It's not easy to determine the plays of the QBs of the past because the game was different then...
Also, we don't know how each of the O-line performed; just one of many variables.
Im inclined to value the article stats more in the 2000's rather then back to the 70's.
When asked if Brock is a bust, my magic 8 ball answers ‘ask again later’. I’m just trying to figure out why so many people’s 8 ball answers ‘it is certain’.
First off, I'm not one who call Osweiler a bust.As I mentioned – qb’s in this article are compared to their peers. Qb’s in the good ol’ days weren’t compared to qb’s of today but instead, their performance was measured against other qb’s in the year that they played to see how much above or below average they were in that year (a ‘good’ qb in the 1970 was only considered ‘good’ if his stats warranted this label relative to other qb’s in 1970) -- so the era argument isn’t relevant. The thing measured in this article is how long it took good qb’s to become good statistically when compared to peers of the same era. Issues such as a bad O-line are also addressed as outliers in the article. Troy Aikman, Vinny Testaverde and Terry Bradshaw are singled out as qb’s who were drafted by very bad teams and this is done to explain their poor performance in their first 2 years.
This is a fairly broad set of data and many of the early underperforming top qb’s had mitigating circumstances pointed out in the article to explain poor early performance (hindsight has a way of making things more clear). The 13/42 top qb’s who underperformed in their first 16 starts were: Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Joe Theismann, Dave Krieg, Jim Kelly, John Elway, Donovan McNabb, Vinny Testaverde, Terry Bradshaw, Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon, Michael Vick and Rich Gannon. 76, you mentioned ‘variables’ -- all of these 13 qb’s had all 16 starts with the same team, unlike Brock who has 7 w/ one team and system and 8 with another. Does Brock not get a ‘variable’ consideration?
When asked if Brock is a bust, my magic 8 ball answers ‘ask again later’. I’m just trying to figure out why so many people’s 8 ball answers ‘it is certain’.
I understand that - I can see how I came across as insinuating that but it wasn't my intention. Since I've been on the board, I've viewed your take on Os similar to how a scout would unemotionally analyze his game (mechanics/mental makeup) and you're projecting mediocrity as a result of your take. I respect that and in the end you may be right. My comments were aimed at the no-perspective, emotional over-reactions to Os that keeps popping up like whack a mole on the board.First off, I'm not one who call Osweiler a bust.
Because there are a lot of people here the believe in the "instant fix". If something does not fix the problem immediately, they want to discard it immediately and get someone else.
Most were optimistic that the Texans finally did something to address the QB situation, and were not upset about the amount of money thrown that way. But because Brock is not the "instant fix" they are ready to find someone else and trade one or more of our better players to do that. Then they will complain if the someone else is the right person, that we have wasted his time here because of the supporting cast.
Some people have to have something to complain about or they are not happy.
I don't know it Brock is the answer or not, but at lease he deserves more than half a season in our system to show that.
Not always the instant fix but the fix they propose is the only way.
Is that really true?Also, we don't know how each of the O-line performed; just one of many variables.
It's an exercise of futility, IMO.
Is that really true?
Can't you go back and see how often a QB was sacked and also look at how well his team's running attack was working to get some idea of the O-line's effectiveness?
Sack stats haven't been kept all that long have they? And a teams running attack will vary depending on passing attack and offense (see Warren Moon)
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The number of sacks often does not reflect the real situation (nor does the QB pressure stats nor QB hit stats.)Is that really true?
Can't you go back and see how often a QB was sacked and also look at how well his team's running attack was working to get some idea of the O-line's effectiveness?
So the blockers weren't at fault, and neither was Keenum.
I'm not kidding you; I had come back and watched all the sacks several times.I know you are a Keenum fan, and that's ok... but the 35 yard loss sacks were all on Keenum. Many of the sacks were because he tended to hold the ball too long
Nothing in this post addresses what JB said:I'm not kidding you; I had come back and watched all the sacks several times.
Like just now, I just look up the play by play of his first game, against the Chiefs.
There were 5 sacks.
The last one was the strip fumble that ended the game while he was trying to get out of the pocket on 2nd down.
The O-lineman, I think it was Brown, got beat early.
The other 4 sacks were all on 3rd down.
I don't even care if an O-lineman got beat early or not.
On third down, I don't mind the QB trying to convert, as long as he doesn't make the situation much worse.
1 . Lechler punted 58 yards, returned 5 yards to the Chiefs 18.
2. Lechler punted 53 yards to the Chiefs 16, returned for 24, but Chiefs were called for holding.
They got the ball at their 8.
3.Lechler punted for 53 yards, but returned for 26 to the Chiefs 47.
4. Lechler punted 48 yards to the Chiefs 35, no return.
So, you see.
I don't make stuffs up like some other people.
But he added... because he held on to the ball too long; which is true sometimes, but untrue on many occasions... even when he did hold on to the ball past the 3-sec mark.Nothing in this post addresses what JB said:
Those sacks were Keenum's fault.
Just for you and JB, I'm bringing up another random game (I had these torrent files saved on so many different storage media that I've never gotten around to organize.)Nothing in this post addresses what JB said:
Those sacks were Keenum's fault.
Not that I need to.Holy crap, are we still discussing Keenum?
Holy crap, are we still discussing Keenum?
Soon as he becomes a starting QB in the NFLWhen is it allowed to mention Vince Young?
Just a thought, but first year starting seems to be a terrible indicator of career stats based off of my memory.
IIRC Rodgers (who stepped into a league leading offense his first year starting) was better than Brock but not all world.
Has there been a more strange year for NFL QB's? This entire season really stands out to me. Rodgers, Rivers, Flacco, Ginger, R. Wilson, C. Newton, Osweiller, Bortles, Luck, and Palmer all have been having either garbage or average seasons. That is a long list of guys that all had strong expectations going into this season. This isn't just the Texans with this poor luck and poor play at QB. A lot of changing of the guard at QB, but more than anything QB play all around has been very inconsistent this season.
I agree with one condition:It has been a weird year, however Rivers is playing really well. San Diego is having issues with injuries to their D. They can't stop anyone. I'd love to have Rivers on the Texans