Official Brock Osweiler MVP Watch Thread!

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  1. 76Texan

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    This is really a frank assessment of the player's ability based on what I saw on the playing field.
    It includes all the games he played last year and the game from yesterday.

    Mind you, the level of scrutiny is high, given the dollar amount he was signed for.
    This is a player coming into his fifth year in the league, which is a year more than Schaub when he first arrived in Houston.

    I don't expect him to be sharp (accurate) in first pre-season game, but I expect a guy that knows what to do.
    Given some basic defensive reads pre-snap and post-snap, I expect him to make the correct decision (nothing too fancy).

    When there are more blockers than rushers, the QB doesn't have to hurry a throw.
    When the defense shows man and stays man, the receiver with the defender further away often should get the ball under normal condition.
    When the defender plays inside on a sideline route, the throw has to be made to the outside.
    Automatic things like that should happen more often with a top level QB.

    Too often; however, I did not see that.

    These things limit the chance of success of the QB.
    Some guys are limited by their physical ability; Osweiler seems to be on the opposite end of the spectrum; not too much unlike Mallett (without the stupid decisions off the field; that is.)

    Sure he can get better with more years in the league.
    The Texans aren't paying him that much money to wait for long though.
     
  2. Uncle Rico

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    I dont like his dropback. its wierd. throwing motion isnt fluid. Hopefully its just aesthetics and he gets the job done.
     
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    I'd say this is not just a little early, but way too early to draw conclusions. As much as OB was trying to find praise for the OLineman that played with Brock..........those were a real stretch. The WRs had their share of questionable route running. Basics may seem to be an easy accomplishment, but in a complicated offensive system like the one OB runs............everyone has to be running on the same page..........or anyone and everyone will look like rookies.
     
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  5. Texian

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    Is it me or does he have a bit of a wind up?
     
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  6. steelbtexan

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    Yes
     
  7. Mollywhopper

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    Color me skeptical about making really frank assessments off of 7 throws in the first preseason game.
     
  8. b0ng

    b0ng Bad Hombre

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    Why are people acting like Os is getting paid like Roethlisburger or Luck.

    If a guy is good he will be good no matter what his salary is. Trying to lump his salary into criticisms for on field play is just lazy dude. He is literally being paid like a middle of the road QB.

    http://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/
     
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    I saw all the intangibles we hope to find in kids coming out of college, or in our project Tom Savage.

    I saw all the tools.

    I saw a young inexperienced QB.

    Now, I want to see what O'b can do with him.
     
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    I am fine with what I saw in Os, but my expectations were not high - show command in the huddle and don't make mistakes. Savage gave me confidence in QB depth, but he still looks like Garo Yepremian when the pocket collapses.
     
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  11. TexansBull

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    Same color as "too soon"
     
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    yep. I've always thought pre-season was fool's gold.

    They were running more complicated offensive plays at Friday's scrimmage vs. the 49ers.
     
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    ^ The man speaks the truth. Oz had a reputation for being erratic. His being another in the line of QB's Obie just had to have, after Fitzpatrick, Mallett, and Hoyer, was a factor in making you suspicious from the start. So far, nothing has indicated you were wrong.
     
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    Had a rep with who? I haven't seen anything to that effect. Why did Elway and Kubiak want him back if that were true? Why is Elway so butthurt over him leaving still?.
     
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    I never felt the signings of Fitzpatrick, Mallett or Hoyer meant OB had to have them. All three signed here because they were the cheapest veterans on the market that could run OB's system. Which one doesn't fit?

    Brian Hoyer 2 years, $10.5 Million. $4.75 million guaranteed
    Ryan Fitzpatrick 2 years, $7.5 Million. $4 million guaranteed
    Ryan Mallett 2 years, $7 Million. $1.75 million guaranteed
    Brock Osweiler 4 years, $72 million. $37 million guaranteed

    I don't know about you, but that tells me all I need to know about what OB feels about all four QB's.
     
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    This was a McNair call.
     
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    At least you weren't pumping Savage up over him.

    Last year was basically Os rookie year. Now he's "the" man in a brand new system that's supposedly so hard a Harvard grad had a difficult time with it.

    Not saying Os doesn't have a long way to go, but 7 games and 7 passes in a pre-season game does not define one's career. I won't bring up the 1st 7 games of Peyton's career.
     
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  18. 76Texan

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    It might be early for some of you guys, but it wasn't for me.

    I don't want to sound like a jerk, but if there's a method of keeping records of draft and free agent talk on the forum over the years - starting with why I "wanted" to trade for Schaub in 2007 - people would see that with a veteran like Osweiler, 7 regular season games in his fourth year, when things count (and not give-away games) is more than enough for me to evaluate a QB.

    I had scouted almost all of the draftable QBs plus quite a few long shots, and my prognosis have been pretty in line.

    If I recount all my thoughts, I'm sure there are TT members (if they show up) who can agree or refute my statements.

    Starting with Schaub, for example, TexanMike (who still come around here and there) would vouch for me that I agree with him completely that the Texans should trade for Schaub.

    Why?
    If you go back and look at the draft that year, you would see why.
    I can't speak for all of Texanmike's thoughts, so I just recount mine.

    I was in the camp that Jamarcus Russell has a strong possibility to be a bust.
    To come back and read what the pros (including Kubiak, Bradshaw, Marinelli, and then-Raiders-HC Kiffin) had to say about Russell, I couldn't help but chuckle.
    http://www.si.com/nfl/photos/2010/05/10jamarcus-russell-pre-draft-hype

    Some others were in Brady Quinn's camp, but I just didn't see it.

    I wasn't a Cougars homer either, with Kolb available.
    The Eagles picked him at #36; I was happy for him, but that was it.
    Nobody heard me clamoring for the Texans to draft him with a trade down or anything like that.

    The rest of that class needs no mention.

    So you see, just with the assessment from that year, I can actually state that when I use the word "frank", I do mean it.

    I don't have a need to gloat or defend myself.
    Those who know my posting history could see that (hopefully).
     
  19. 76Texan

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    I'll bring up some examples so you can see that my observations are independent from possible mishaps involving others.

    Well, at least I already had all the thoughts drawn up in my head, but it's not easy to try to find the right words to describe them.

    I'll try the first one here:

    First pass.

    2-7-SF 48 (12:53) (Shotgun) B.Osweiler pass incomplete deep right to D.Hopkins (T.Brock).

    Texans in empty shotgun, double splits, double slots, TE strong left.

    Niners showed standard 42 Front, single deep safety.
    Both boundary CBs played man up.
    Both inside DBs played at same depth as the 2 LBs, about 7 yards off LOS
    (around the first down marker on 2nd and 7).
    They showed no blitz, and did not blitz.
    Texans had 5 to block 4 rushers.

    On the right side, the Texans ran a Hi-Lo concept, with Hopkins taking the LCB deep on a 15-yd fade route.
    It was an outside release; the LCB turned and had inside depth (ie. he was further downfield and on the inside of Hopkins.)
    Osweiler had clear view of the situation from the get-go.
    The ball had to be thrown to the outside, but it wasn't.
    This allowed the nickel back the chance to easily contest for the ball, causing an incompletion.
    (The LCB T. Brock #43 was credited with a pass defended.)
    Hopkins gave Osweiler at least 2 yards along the sideline to place his throw; that was a lot of room for a QB.
    Rudimentary football, IMO.

    Ball placement aside; it wasn't even the best decision as where to go with the ball on 2nd and 7.
    On this Hi-Lo concept; Fuller #15, in the slot, ran a 5-yd out.
    The nickel back #43 C. Davis, played 7 yards deep and backpedaling another 3 yards.
    That would have been an easy completion to Fuller because there's no way any DB can react to the 5-yd out route, playing that deep.
    A sure first down, really.

    Sure, you can give Osweiler the benefit of the doubt here, saying that he was working on his sync with Hopkins so that they can go with that throw when needed in the regular season;
    Ball placement was difficult to excuse though.
     
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    Barring the 10,000 words you just typed to do so ...
     

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